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Dynamite Kid
06-05-2008, 08:59 AM
How the Glazers' debt threatens our club
The Glazer Family paid a total of £921 million to buy United.

They borrowed at least £650 million* of that sum, some at 20% compound interest.

The terms of the debt, which has now been shifted onto the club, means that if it is not paid off it increases to £938 million within 5 years. That means the debt is growing at more than £300,000 per day.* No. We're not kidding.

This isn't our spin on the situation either, for these figures aren't open to interpretation. The numbers above are the facts as spelled out in the Offer Documents posted by the Glazers at Allen & Overy during the bid period. There is ample evidence to indicate that the debt is not only real, it's likely to be crushing.

The debt clock in the sidebar (over there on the right side of the page) gives an approximate debt calculation -- and we've even given the Glazers the benefit of the doubt that the clock didn't start ticking until the end of June 2005!

Sure, you say, the numbers are pretty harrowing, but he must have a plan. They wouldn't have lent him the money without a plan, right?

» The Glazer 'plan'... devilishly clever? or just diabolical?

DEBT UPDATE - MAY 12 2006
At the time of this writing it was assumed that the Glazers would draw down their additional capital facilities of £109 million to yield a total of £650 million in debt with a daily interest cost at a shocking £300,000 per day which, over five years, would add up to £938 million. According to reports from the club, the Glazers never drew on those additional funds. In light of this, the total debt load at inception was £541 million and the daily interest cost was a still-astounding £205,000 per day during year 1.

Now it's year two, and while the some of the debt has been paid, the ticking time bomb known as the PiKs or hedge fund debt are now accruing interest at an even higher rate. This year the total interest cost will be £84.9 million, or about £233,000 PER DAY.

In light of these changes and to present as accurate a picture as possible we have adjusted the Debt Clock accordingly. Our calculations are based on the interest payment/principal repayment schedule from the Glazers so-called business plan.

TommyGunn.
06-05-2008, 10:38 AM
How the Glazers' debt threatens our club
The Glazer Family paid a total of £921 million to buy United.

They borrowed at least £650 million* of that sum, some at 20% compound interest.

The terms of the debt, which has now been shifted onto the club, means that if it is not paid off it increases to £938 million within 5 years. That means the debt is growing at more than £300,000 per day.* No. We're not kidding.

This isn't our spin on the situation either, for these figures aren't open to interpretation. The numbers above are the facts as spelled out in the Offer Documents posted by the Glazers at Allen & Overy during the bid period. There is ample evidence to indicate that the debt is not only real, it's likely to be crushing.

The debt clock in the sidebar (over there on the right side of the page) gives an approximate debt calculation -- and we've even given the Glazers the benefit of the doubt that the clock didn't start ticking until the end of June 2005!

Sure, you say, the numbers are pretty harrowing, but he must have a plan. They wouldn't have lent him the money without a plan, right?

» The Glazer 'plan'... devilishly clever? or just diabolical?

DEBT UPDATE - MAY 12 2006
At the time of this writing it was assumed that the Glazers would draw down their additional capital facilities of £109 million to yield a total of £650 million in debt with a daily interest cost at a shocking £300,000 per day which, over five years, would add up to £938 million. According to reports from the club, the Glazers never drew on those additional funds. In light of this, the total debt load at inception was £541 million and the daily interest cost was a still-astounding £205,000 per day during year 1.

Now it's year two, and while the some of the debt has been paid, the ticking time bomb known as the PiKs or hedge fund debt are now accruing interest at an even higher rate. This year the total interest cost will be £84.9 million, or about £233,000 PER DAY.

In light of these changes and to present as accurate a picture as possible we have adjusted the Debt Clock accordingly. Our calculations are based on the interest payment/principal repayment schedule from the Glazers so-called business plan.

Thats the Glazzers debt not united. They could easily rid themself of the debt by selling one of there ****in huge businesses. But they wont, they make more than enough to pay it off.

Thats why there still spending millions every season on new players.

P4PKING_2008
06-05-2008, 10:42 AM
It is not a real debt. If the Glazers sell now they make at least £100m on what they bought us for and rids us of the debt.

Dynamite Kid
06-05-2008, 10:48 AM
Thats the Glazzers debt not united. They could easily rid themself of the debt by selling one of there ****in huge businesses. But they wont, they make more than enough to pay it off.

Thats why there still spending millions every season on new players.

u think if push came to shove that they would not sell Man Utd assets to pay off the debt

Pot Noodle
06-05-2008, 10:48 AM
If it's the Glazer's debt then how come United are paying it off?

Dynamite Kid
06-05-2008, 11:00 AM
i hope Man Utd do keep spending big money cause they only finished 4 points above Arsenal Last year and 3 above Chelsea i think ,they also got outplayed by Barca beaten by Chelsea right at the death ,they also lost 5 times last year they are not the great side everybody thinks they are IMO

i hope they do continue to spend cause i know they cant afford it ,Man Utd fans can delude themselves all they like ,thats good more encouragement to for them to keep spending money they dont have :banana:

TommyGunn.
06-05-2008, 11:24 AM
u think if push came to shove that they would not sell Man Utd assets to pay off the debt

Obviously they would not, they'd be forced out the club if that happened.

We have one of the biggest turnovers in world football, these business are not stupid, they would not be spending money if they knew they could not afford too.

TommyGunn.
06-05-2008, 11:24 AM
i hope Man Utd do keep spending big money cause they only finished 4 points above Arsenal Last year and 3 above Chelsea i think ,they also got outplayed by Barca beaten by Chelsea right at the death ,they also lost 5 times last year they are not the great side everybody thinks they are IMO

i hope they do continue to spend cause i know they cant afford it ,Man Utd fans can delude themselves all they like ,thats good more encouragement to for them to keep spending money they dont have :banana:

LMAO!

Champions of England and Europe, yeah, we're crap. :owned:

Pot Noodle
06-05-2008, 11:27 AM
Forced out of the club the way you mean they were stopped from coming into the club, even when everyone knew the takeover would put United in ****.

TommyGunn.
06-05-2008, 11:29 AM
Forced out of the club the way you mean they were stopped from coming into the club, even when everyone knew the takeover would put United in ****.

The club we're behind the takeover, the fans wanted us to stay a PLC.

It sure put us in the ****, 2 league titles and a champions league.

Dynamite Kid
06-05-2008, 11:48 AM
Forced out of the club the way you mean they were stopped from coming into the club, even when everyone knew the takeover would put United in ****.

the Man Utd fans need a reallity check they wil come crashing back down to earth for living the dream

well done on Champions League TommyGunn but at what cost dont u think Arsenal could have accured more debt in the search off success of coarse they could but they have the right people runnining the club

keep spending the more u spend the more trouble u are getting yourself into:banana:

Pot Noodle
06-05-2008, 11:50 AM
I would say also United won the league and Champions League despite the Glazers being here not because of them. Before they arrived United were still spending big money and were turning profit, now they're spending money on players, turning profit, but with a huge debt over their heads.