The man known as Kimbo Slice won a controversial win via TKO against the much bigger James Thompson. Some thought that it was an early stoppage but some disagree saying the damage of Thompson's ear was too significant to let it go on. Kimbo seemed impressive on the ground reversing and getting out of key situations but almost got himself into trouble late in the second round after taking many but insignificant elbows to the head and managed to get out. This fight puts Kimbo 3-0 in his MMA career with wins over Bo Cantrell and Tank Abbott. The question is whether Kimbo is helping or hurting MMA since many say he's the wrong person to represent the sport. I say he's helping it because he has been the talk of many discussions and has drawn many fans to the sport which is what the sport needs

He's only helping the sport and people who don't accept him play against it, he's drawing so much buzz and hype it's not even funny. how can ity be bad is what I'm asking, why aren't people happy for him? I don't get it, don't people want MMA being discussed on Sportscenter?

I just wish he wasnt on national tv last night and that it wouldve been on showtime.

Hes a bum, people look at him and say ffs theirs a guy whos beating up bouncers in the street, now hes a star in the mma world :wtf: then they watch fights like last night and laugh and think pathetic, we here all the **** that mma is taking over boxing and is more better etc etc but guys like kimbo are a joke and the hype and stuff that goes with this guy makes mma a laughing stock.

I just wish he wasnt on national tv last night and that it wouldve been on showtime.

But why though? why would you rather limit the audience for an MMA event to a channel that only those who got cable has?even if I had no cable I still could have watched so think of how many people without cable became fans of Gina Carano, Joe Villasenor, Robbie Lawler and not so much just Kimbo Slice. if Kimbo can generate that kind of atmosphere and create that much of a an event with his hype alone why is that bad? Kimbo had a hard respectable bout and won, what's the problem?

I still say some press is better than no press. I don't think he's hurting all that much. I guess it depends on the ultimate goal of MMA.

I know that current fans that have access to all the fights aren't necessarily hoping that John Doe in the cubicle next to them at work is an MMA fan as well - they don't need it to be trendy for them to enjoy it.

As far as building the sport up though, Kimbo is helping a little bit though last night may prove to be more of a step back than leap forward

I still say some press is better than no press. I don't think he's hurting all that much. I guess it depends on the ultimate goal of MMA.

I know that current fans that have access to all the fights aren't necessarily hoping that John Doe in the cubicle next to them at work is an MMA fan as well - they don't need it to be trendy for them to enjoy it.

As far as building the sport up though, Kimbo is helping a little bit though last night may prove to be more of a step back than leap forward

I don't understand why you say its a step back, in what way? He didn't stop the fight the ref did, you can't put blame on any fighter for that. Kimbo just wants to win and make money

Of course he's bringing more fans to the sport, which is a good thing I guess. The thing is though he's not really representing the sport of MMA well. Which is a variety of martial arts and his style is called brawling. Which it said last night in the tale of the tape. He's just a show for the people that want to see violence and that's it.

I don't understand why you say its a step back, in what way? He didn't stop the fight the ref did, you can't put blame on any fighter for that. Kimbo just wants to win and make money
Kimbo was being painted as a monster, he looked bad and the crowd was booing at the end of the event. That's not a step forward if he is what is drawing fans to MMA. You would want them pleased walking out, looking forward to his next fight

Kimbo seemed impressive on the ground reversing and getting out of key situations

ARE YOU RETARDED?

He got out on pure strength. He got his guard passed at will. He showed no technique. Other than strength, he had no idea what to do on the ground.

What are your grappling credentials?

As for bringing fans to the sport, the announced attendance at the event was just over 8,000. That's less than half of the venue's capacity!!!

UFC events routinely sell out the day tickets go on sale.

Ye but he's never said he wanted to represent MMA its the people and his critics who talk about him and make him out to be some kind of villian. His style is similiar to Liddell's Muay Thai and striking and Liddell is one of the best and one of my favourite LHW out their but no one talks about how he setting a bad example for the sport and all he does is strike too. In no way am I comparing those two of who's better because Liddell is the best of the both of them, but Kimbo just wants to make money which is what he always says. If you bash him for his style in MMA and and say people will look at the sport as only a brawling match then your taking out a key style in MMA which many fighters focus on

Kimbo was being painted as a monster, he looked bad and the crowd was booing at the end of the event. That's not a step forward if he is what is drawing fans to MMA. You would want them pleased walking out, looking forward to his next fight

So now a fighter has too act a certain way to the fans so that they don't boooo him, c'mon man don't tell me that's your arguement, Kimbo can look as much of a monster as he wants, its his game plan to get in his opponents heads. And BTW they were boeing over the decision not cause Kimbo looked like a "monster"

kimbo has no muay thai....he got exposed an i couldn't b happier :lol1:
and no he is not good for the sport, a thug backyard brawler he's just not good.
he's the exact image that mma has been trying 2 get away from an having him fight in such a high profile is a huge step back for the sport.
people talk bout how much he has improved pfft i've seen no improvement what so ever he still has the same style as his youtube fights.
an he got owned on the ground from what i've heard an yeah he jus sucks.
ohhh an yup i'm drunk :lol1:

His style is similiar to Liddell's Muay Thai

Just stop. You're looking like an idiot.

What are your Muay Thai credentials?

I'm still waiting on your grappling credentials...

ARE YOU RETARDED?

He got out on pure strength. He got his guard passed at will. He showed no technique. Other than strength, he had no idea what to do on the ground.

What are your grappling credentials?

Did you remember that a) he's never been to the ground like that fight in his career you douchebag b) its only his 3rd MMA fight and he's never had past experience and c) its not his style so considering all those he was decent along with the fact that the guy was way bigger then him. Don't act like he's not significant in MMA, many people now get into it, and I don't consider him my favourite but its people and Kimbo critics like you who I have to shut up

Just stop. You're looking like an idiot.

What are your Muay Thai credentials?

I'm still waiting on your grappling credentials...

What I meant if is he's just a stand up puncher like Liddell, obviously their styles are not the exact same but if you had a bit of sense in that peanut brain you would know what i'm talking about, Liddell's style is 2nd to none which is why he wins fights but he's a stand puncher and so is Kimbo

Did you remember that a) he's never been to the ground like that fight in his career you douchebag b) its only his 3rd MMA fight and he's never had past experience and c) its not his style so considering all those he was decent along with the fact that the guy was way bigger then him. Don't act like he's not significant in MMA, many people now get into it, and I don't consider him my favourite but its people and Kimbo critics like you who I have to shut up
I understand that this was only his third pro fight and that he hasn't been on the ground before, but when I think eventually he would have thought that he would have gone to the ground. With a guy like Bas training him, im sure he's getting good instruction, but at the same time you have to apply it and that didn't happen last night. From what I saw he got out of situations based on his strength. Plus even though being on the ground isn't his style that can't be an excuse becuase MMA involves fighting on the ground.

Im all fine with Kimbo making his money it's the US and he can do it anyway he want's, but like i've said before I think the problem is he's already headlining shows and making six figures for not really doing much except having a good look and fighting in backyards. While guys are barely making 10, 20, 30 thousand dollars and have worked hard in the MMA game.

I understand what you mean, but all i'm saying is if you compare his previous ground game(which is nothing since he's really never been there) with his Thompson fight ground game (his first test on the ground) then it was somewhat decent not good, not great like some people think i'm posting but it wasn't that bad. because it was only our first time seeing him there. No ones perfect in one aspect of MMA, everyone improves and Kimbo definitely has room for improvement but you'd think he lost considering the way some people are posting about him. If he did then I can see some arguement but he got out with the victory, whether it was impressive or not is up for debate. And also, put yourself in Kimbo's position would you complain about making 6 figures, probably not

I really don't think Kimbo would've received this much flack if he werent some internet phenom. That being said, I dont think he'd receive any attention if he wasn't some internet phenom.

I understand what you mean, but all i'm saying is if you compare his previous ground game(which is nothing since he's really never been there) with his Thompson fight ground game (his first test on the ground) then it was somewhat decent not good, not great like some people think i'm posting but it wasn't that bad. because it was only our first time seeing him there. No ones perfect in one aspect of MMA, everyone improves and Kimbo definitely has room for improvement but you'd think he lost considering the way some people are posting about him. If he did then I can see some arguement but he got out with the victory, whether it was impressive or not is up for debate. And also, put yourself in Kimbo's position would you complain about making 6 figures, probably not
In a way it is kind of a loss. I mean the hype train on him was so high that anything less than an early KO against a man in Thompson who had been KO'ed twice before that in the first round would be considered a dissapointment. If course if I got that kind of money to fight, I wouldn't say no, it's just that the only reason why he is making that kind of money is because he's an internet sensation. Not because he went through the MMA ranks and earned it.

Ye but Thompson actually had a decent record, compared to Kimbo being only 2-0 comming into the fight, had more experience, compared to Kimbo only having 2 fights and no previous MMA experience, Thompson was atleast more well rounded compared to Kimbo being basically a stand up puncher, he was bigger then Kimbo at HW, so on paper Thompson was a better competition for Kimbo then some people think in almost every aspect, most thought it was going to finish quicker then expected and it didn't but you must remember that Kimbo doesn't have 20 fight experience in his resume it was only his 3rd fight and I thought it would end earlier too but he still managed to get the TKO victory and I don't see how a win is disappointing, he couldn't finish it in the first but he still won, he deserves credit considering this guy used to be homeless on the street doing what he could to earn a buck

Ye but Thompson actually had a decent record, compared to Kimbo being only 2-0 comming into the fight, had more experience, compared to Kimbo only having 2 fights and no previous MMA experience, Thompson was atleast more well rounded compared to Kimbo being basically a stand up puncher, he was bigger then Kimbo at HW, so on paper Thompson was a better competition for Kimbo then some people think in almost every aspect, most thought it was going to finish quicker then expected and it didn't but you must remember that Kimbo doesn't have 20 fight experience in his resume it was only his 3rd fight and I thought it would end earlier too but he still managed to get the TKO victory and I don't see how a win is disappointing, he couldn't finish it in the first but he still won, he deserves credit considering this guy used to be homeless on the street doing what he could to earn a buck
In the end Im just not buying into it. He's just a hype job because of his backyard fight's on the internet and his menacing look. Im fine if he's fighting on undercards against lousy opponents, but not main events and especially not a main event on primtime network television.

I see GSP in your sig and too me that's a real MMA fighter. He's just a all around badass. Worked his way through the ranks and is well deserving of everything he gets. Kimbo on the other like I said before is just a hype job.

IncuFan makes alot of sense. With a guy like Bas training him, he should have had SOMETHING in terms of ground technique. I bet the only guy more embarrassed than Gary Shaw was Bas Rutten.

Sugar-Mosley, what are your credentials?

FYI, I've seen white belts with one month of BJJ training look better than Kimbo did on the ground.

IncuFan makes alot of sense. With a guy like Bas training him, he should have had SOMETHING in terms of ground technique. I bet the only guy more embarrassed than Gary Shaw was Bas Rutten.

Sugar-Mosley, what are your credentials?

FYI, I've seen white belts with one month of BJJ training look better than Kimbo did on the ground.

What are your credentials bud? Your hating on someone who's winning fights and making money. Its weird cause when someone cries robbery, they say that because they like the guy who lost, they don't say that because they hate the guy who won. That's just straight up hate for a person. In what way was Kimbo way better then Thompson. Give me one example. Thompson has more MMA experience, he has better overall skills of MMA then Kimbo, he has better ground game then Kimbo, more wins on his resume, is bigger then Kimbo but yet Kimbo still won. You make Kimbo out to be this machine when really he's new to the sport but he's still winning in stunning fasion

As for my credentials, I've done MMA for around 6 years now. I'm a Blue Belt in BJJ under Rolles Gracie Jr. I'm licensed as a trainer by the Combative Sports Dept of the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation.

Whats yours?

Gary Shaw makes Kimbo out to be this machine when really he's new to the sport

Fixed that for ya.

So now a fighter has too act a certain way to the fans so that they don't boooo him, c'mon man don't tell me that's your arguement, Kimbo can look as much of a monster as he wants, its his game plan to get in his opponents heads. And BTW they were boeing over the decision not cause Kimbo looked like a "monster"
yes, the crowd booed the decision to stop the fight, because the guy getting his ass kicked was handed the fight. Once again, not good public relations.

Fixed that for ya.

Rightttt, so you expect Shaw not to overhype matches and make big money off his fighters, its called running a business and Dana White doesn't have copyright to it, many business men do it. Its a management technique, damn bud, what did they teach you in your schools?

yes, the crowd booed the decision to stop the fight, because the guy getting his ass kicked was handed the fight. Once again, not good public relations.

They were boeing the decision because some thought it was a pre-mature stoppage and/or wanted to see more action from an allready exciting fight, Thompson's ear was half off

Rightttt, so you expect Shaw not to overhype matches and make big money off his fighters, its called running a business and Dana White doesn't have copyright to it, many business men do it. Its a management technique, damn bud, what did they teach you in your schools?

Well Dana's company has made over $200 MILLION dollars.

Shaw's company has lost $33 MILLION dollars.

Who is the better businessman?

i just wish that he would join the tv series of UF. i want ****ing jackson to rape his ass.

Well Dana's company has made over $200 MILLION dollars.

Shaw's company has lost $33 MILLION dollars.

Who is the better businessman?

I would check that again. Your posting UFC's gain in 2006 which is well over two years ago with EliteXC's total loss to date along with the fact that Kimbo has just entered EliteXC fairly recently, your comparing the basis of one man's marketability (Kimbo) with an entire business (UFC) that relies on many fighters for it to operate. Kimbo is a well marketable fighter but no one said his impact in EliteXC should be compared with UFC's ENTIRE market gain. It takes more then one fighter to run an MMA organization. Also gains and losses don't always depend on their PPV and live gate attendence sales, their are a few more factors that come into play and you should know that. A sloppy job with the argument their bud

Bro, put down the Kool-Aid.

You questioned my credentials, I provided them.

You said how many fans Kimbo brings in, I posted the live gate.

You said how good he looked, I posted he was behind on the cards.

Kimbo is the EliteXC poster child.

Ask most casual fans to name 2 other fighters they have and they can't do it.

Kimbo is the EliteXC poster child.

Ask most casual fans to name 2 other fighters they have and they can't do it.

Sure bud, but you are avoiding my counter arguement. How doesn't anyone know Frank Shamrock and Phil Baroni. Don't always mix facts with opinions. We aren't talking about casual fans. Kimbo represents EliteXC so what every business has someone that does, what arguement does that bring up. The fact is no matter who Kimbo beats, no matter how much money he makes for his business and how much events he highlights, you will always hate on him, total ignorance towards him, the man is winning and your bashing him so tell me what you want him to do to please you. Give you a shout out, you can ask him, I heard he's a nice guy maybe he will

When he beats a legit guy I damn sure won't hate on him. I don't now idiot. I hate on the HYPE. But to beat a legit guy he has to actually fight a legit guy.

Lets see what Kevin Iole of Yahoo sports has to say on the FRONT PAGE of Yahoo:

"The main event showcased two mediocre fighters in mediocre condition, though after listening to Johnson, Ranallo and Shamrock, you’d have thought we were watching the MMA equivalent of Ali-Frazier.

Have no doubt about this: Slice would be destroyed by any legitimate mixed martial artist. Had Slice faced ex-WWE champion Brock Lesnar, the current UFC rookie hopeful, he’d have been beaten in less than two minutes.

As it was, Slice struggled his way to a sloppy third-round knockout of a complete tomato can.

You can’t blame Slice, because he had no business being in a main event of a mixed martial arts bout at this stage of his progression. It takes years of training and sacrifice to reach the main event in MMA and Slice was only there because of the notoriety he’d gained in his YouTube street brawls."


Yeah, that over-hyped bum is really great for the sport.

i gotta agree i hate the hype that he gets. i mean i cant totally **** on him cause he hasnt been trainin that long but if he was just coming up like any normal fighter without the hype id give him more props. atleast even he admitted that he has a long road to go. but yea the hype is getting ridiculous, it may be good for the business aspect but not for the sport itself. who knows maybe he will surprise us all.

Yes the Hype is getting out of hand with Mr. Ferguson.
But the sob can sure punch. Kinda reminds me
of an Old Tyson, dangerous mofo for a few then gasses out.

Again, I don't see how he hurts the sport. You guys are just hating on him and the funny thing is, I don't even know why. He's not being disrespectful or ****y, he's just trying to make a living.

If you don't like the exposure he's getting then get mad at MMA or Elite XC or CBS. Don't get mad at a guy who's just trying to get paid and make a living.

When he beats a legit guy I damn sure won't hate on him. I don't now idiot. I hate on the HYPE. But to beat a legit guy he has to actually fight a legit guy.

Ok but I can point out many instances where you have questioned his skill (he might not be the most skillful fighter but you make many points to it which has nothing to do with hype), his marketability ( and whether he is bringing in fans to the sport or not). But all I want to say about his competition is don't just question it based on some biased guy from yahoo and say here's proof. Everyone has their own opinion, people like you put too high standards for Kimbo when your forgetting he just finished his 3rd match.Basically anyone with an MMA record is competition for someone who just starts MMA with no past experience. All his opponents were better then him on paper whether they lost 40 second fights or not since they all have more experience then Kimbo.You never see a fighter step into MMA and fight the top guys

You just don't get it.

people like you put too high standards for Kimbo when your forgetting he just finished his 3rd match.

No, GARY SHAW put up the high standards. He's the one who puts him in Main Events. He's the one paying him six-figures per fight. Not me.

Basically anyone with an MMA record is competition for someone who just starts MMA with no past experience. You never see a fighter step into MMA and fight the top guys

Again, he fights in the Main Events. Fans expect to see guys with skill in the Main Event.

You just don't get it.



No, GARY SHAW put up the high standards. He's the one who puts him in Main Events. He's the one paying him six-figures per fight. Not me.



Again, he fights in the Main Events. Fans expect to see guys with skill in the Main Event.

Well the broadcast got record ratings so it's not just the hardcore fans that want to see Kimbo. He's a great story and will continue to draw as long as he keeps winning. None expects him to be the champ, not even himself, he just trying to make some money and I can't hate on the guy.

It's easy to knock the guy but guess what, while we are typing on a keyboard, he's out there doing it with ZERO EXPERIENCE.

Unless you are a pro fighter in MMA, you have no room to talk.

Unless you are a pro fighter in MMA, you have no room to talk.

Then you better STFU as well.

That's a cop out. Marc Laimon is top-notch MMA grappling coach. He's never fought MMA.

Look at boxing, what's Emmanuel Stewart's record? Lou Duva's? Cus D'Amato's?

About the ratings; I said last night that it may have done well. I also said the next CBS show will have lower ratings than this one.

I stand by that prediction.

Hes a bum, people look at him and say ffs theirs a guy whos beating up bouncers in the street, now hes a star in the mma world :wtf: then they watch fights like last night and laugh and think pathetic, we here all the **** that mma is taking over boxing and is more better etc etc but guys like kimbo are a joke and the hype and stuff that goes with this guy makes mma a laughing stock.

I agree that as far as talent he's a bum. However, it he can get people to accept the sport and look at the real fighters like Rampage,BJ Penn and GSP then why not use him? Anderson Silva, Nogueira and Couture deserves to be the face of the UFC. However, they have not been able to garner the attention that Slice has brought to MMA. Boxing and MMA are two totally different sports just like soccer and american football. Boxing have bums too.

[QUOTE=1bad65;3565000]You just don't get it.



No, GARY SHAW put up the high standards. He's the one who puts him in Main Events. He's the one paying him six-figures per fight
Ye but its people like you who are saying that he insignificant and open arguments questioning his significance to MMA. If you are questioning his competition then you recognize he is atleast a bit skill and ain't a bum since a bum doesn't beat all the opponents they put infront of him when they are better then him on paper and atleast have an MMA record. Yet you still hate on him and blame your hate on the "hype" yet you constantly say he is a bum and he has no skill and quote people from yahoo to back your claim. You jump on the arguement everytime you have a chance because of your lack of respect for where he was and where he is now. And even if he is making six figures, so what, what is the basis of that as a valid arguement. He has never claimed he is great, he just wants to make money yet you still hate him

Then you better STFU as well.

That's a cop out. Marc Laimon is top-notch MMA grappling coach. He's never fought MMA.

Look at boxing, what's Emmanuel Stewart's record? Emanuel Steward compiled a record of 95 wins and 3 losses as an amateur boxer, including winning the 1963 national Golden Gloves tournament in the bantamweight division.

Lou Duva's? 5 wins, 7 losses, and 1 draw as a professional fighter: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=24678&cat=boxer


Sorry, couldn't help myself! Carry on!;)

So he's argueing and his facts aren't straight. Hey bad, maybe you should look for the guy on yahoo to back your claims. He's biased but atleast you'll sound a bit better and more intelligent

So he's argueing and his facts aren't straight. Hey bad, maybe you should look for the guy on yahoo to back your claims. He's biased but atleast you'll sound a bit better and more intelligent

Sherdog says the same thing. They are the biggest MMA media guys.

As to his skill, I said his ground game and takedown defense are bad.

No one with a friggin clue can say I'm wrong about that.

Then you better STFU as well.

That's a cop out. Marc Laimon is top-notch MMA grappling coach. He's never fought MMA.

Look at boxing, what's Emmanuel Stewart's record? Lou Duva's? Cus D'Amato's?

Actually, I have been in a ring competatively...have you? It doens't make me an expert but I at least can respect the guy for coming in and doing what he's doing. I would never get into an MMA ring, because I have never wrestled and don't know much about it other than watching it since UFC1.

I know you can teach a sport not having played it and vice versa. What I'm saying with Kimbo is the same **** I have been saying, he's a draw right now because he's a great story, that's it. Many fighters have "tough" looks, his story is just so unique and his fighting style lends it'self to be entertaining.

Sherdog says the same thing. They are the biggest MMA media guys.

Ye but that's their opinion. Everyone thinks different when it comes to something like this but who feeds into the hype? The fans and MMA viewers. You think Kimbo gives a damn what they say about him, he's making money and winning matches. Its one thing to not be intrigued by him and not like the hype he brings and another to hate on him based on his marketability, previos experience, MMA significance and his ability to make money and win matches

Ye but that's their opinion.

Show me one sports writer that says Kimbo impressed him. ONE.

You won't supply your credentials, I bet you don't answer that either.

The fans and MMA viewers.

The fans at the live event were booing after the fight!


Your looking ridiculous btw.

Actually, I have been in a ring competatively...have you?

I've competed in BJJ and submission wrestling. I'm licensed as a trainer by the TXDL.

Neither of us has fought MMA professionally.

Show me one sports writer that says Kimbo impressed him. ONE.

You won't supply your credentials, I bet you don't answer that either.



The fans at the live event were booing after the fight!


Your looking ridiculous btw.

I didn't say that. Show me one sentence where I said that. But he did win didn't he. I can see the argument if he lost, and he didn't look his best but considering the guy was in about 20+ fights then Kimbo, who on paper looked better. Think for yourself, stop using yahoo and sherdog to make your claim. What excuse are you going to use next? Thompson should've drained that nasty ear out cause it wasn't fair for him to fight with it? Your the one looking ridiculous for hating on Kimbo for no valid reason and bringing no good arguments

The only good thing I see about Kimbo is his drawing power. Fans tune in to see him and get to see some real fighters on the undercard. I just dont like the hype and early stoppages protecting Shaw's investment...

I'm about done with you. It's like trying to convince a Scientologist that L. Ron Hubbard was a con man. Your blinded.

Think for yourself, stop using yahoo and sherdog to make your claim.

Sherdog is the #1 MMA media outlet! They are the **** in MMA reporting whether you agree with them or not.

What excuse are you going to use next? Thompson should've drained that nasty ear out cause it wasn't fair for him to fight with it?

I'm actually surprised the fight doctor let him fight with that. One of my guys had one once about half that size. The doctor let him fight, but said he would not let him fight again if it wasn't drained.

Your the one looking ridiculous for hating on Kimbo for no valid reason and bringing no good arguments

I guess providing sports writers articles, live gate numbers, and stock figures is bad evidence. Were you on the OJ jury bro?

Again, whats your creds?

First off, to convince someone something don't use opinions over facts. Everything I post to prove your points wrong is mostly proof mixed with opinions (Kimbo is bringing in many fans, He is good marketable wise and has so far achieved some success). Do you not think for yourself you idiot. I don't care for sherdog or yahoo right now, if I want I can go to their site but your not smart enough to think for yourself so you use other peoples opinions, atleast if you quote writers the least you can do is show some facts. You just say Kimbo is bum? Sure but is he not making money, bringing in hype, drawing in fans. You should never have a debate with anyone. They'll laugh and you'll just quote other writers as fact. Your an idiot who can't argue a point long enough so you give up and rely on writers to help you. Your a straight up hater of Kimbo and you probably get it from reading so much biased articles

Also, about the live gate numbers I allready discussed it

How can you say I'm not thinking for myself? I posted numerous times BEFORE the articles came out.

Do you agree with my 3 points?

How can you say I'm not thinking for myself? I posted numerous times BEFORE the articles came out.

Do you agree with my 3 points?

Ye but your repeating yourself then get yahoo and sherdog to back you up. Just because you think sherdog is the **** does that make them always right. They have their opinions and so do others. Its like saying for example Randy Couture is my favourite fighter and everything I say I will back it up with what his opinions are since my ideas are the same as his. Do you see what i'm talking bout, You can't disprove an opinion but you could disprove supposed facts and so far you haven't. The point is whether you like him or not, Kimbo brings hype to the sport. Some say its negative and others say its positive