Boy did Kimbo embarrass himself tonight. He was so tired he had to stop the post fight interview! He got dominated on the ground by a guy who sucks. I loved watching Gary Shaw have that look on his face. That 'Dana White is gonna embarrass me tomorrow' look.

Tonight was a great night for people who know MMA and didn't fall for the hype machine.

Kimbo really didn't look that good. He was gassed and a few times he got out of situation's on pure strength. If it wasn't for Thompson's jacked up ear he had a good shot of pulling that fight out. I think tonight proved a lot of things about Kimbo.

yes nut huggers try an explain this!!
kimbo is a joke like i previously stated.
live with it.
that is all.

He had NO ground game. Thompson passed his guard at will. He had no idea how to escape side mount other than brute strength. No technique. He just covered up when he was getting hit from the top, he didnt even try to escape that position.

I wonder what Bas will say about tonight?

cauthin whatever yoru name is KImbo Who.......thats right, he's a ***** explain that...
i may seem childish but i love it wooo....
Kimbo Nuthuggerss where u at woot.

Bas Rutten trains Kimbo Slice for a reason, after 20 years of street fighting I wouldn't expect Kimbo to bust out a submission off his back, would you? I thought he showed a lot of survivability on the ground, and even though Kimbo was worn out, James Thompson was going lights out after the right hook without the stoppage. Do you think Thompson had what was needed left in his tank to finish anything?

Either way it was a cool fight.

Bas Rutten trains Kimbo Slice for a reason, after 20 years of street fighting I wouldn't expect Kimbo to bust out a submission off his back, would you? I thought he showed a lot of survivability on the ground, and even though Kimbo was worn out, James Thompson was going lights out after the right hook without the stoppage. Do you think Thompson had what was needed left in his tank to finish anything?

Either way it was a cool fight.


My thoughts exactly, and blair wells, OUR boy Matt Serra wasnt so hot on the ground either in his last fight, anything can happen to anyone

He took worse shots in the first and second rounds. Mangialoni is Shaw's puppet. This is what happens when boxing promoters get involved in MMA. But Kimbo was exposed. If Thompson knew what a mount was he could've finished the fight in the second round...

He took worse shots in the first and second rounds. Mangialoni is Shaw's puppet. This is what happens when boxing promoters get involved in MMA. But Kimbo was exposed. If Thompson knew what a mount was he could've finished the fight in the second round...


I found it rediculous how a guy with over 10 pro fights could not finish off an opponent who's guard he was passin at will

I think tonight showed why some of us have not joined the Kimbo hype train. He showed tonight that he didn't have an idea of what to do in certain situations and relied on his strength above anything else. He gassed out pretty quick when he was finally pushed. He got paid pretty good money for this and got the main event on a primetime slot on CBS. For basically just being a streetfighter with fight's on the internet. I can see the appeal for certain people because of the look he has and his destroying people on the streets, but tonight proved that even against a guy like Thompson, they are real fighters. The real fighter's are the guy that deserve good paydays and main event slots.

Are you nutriders this stupid? Thompson sucks. He's a friggin tomato can. And he embarrased your hero despite a free standup and a bad stoppage. Thompson so tired him out he had to cut off his post fight interview!

Even the very people cheering like crazy when he came out booed the **** out of him after that fight.

I found it rediculous how a guy with over 10 pro fights could not finish off an opponent who's guard he was passin at will

Yeah but Thompson is a lop. He's like the Wes Simms of the UK....

I think tonight showed why some of us have not joined the Kimbo hype train. He showed tonight that he didn't have an idea of what to do in certain situations and relied on his strength above anything else. The real fighter's are the guy that deserve good paydays and main event slots.


Very well said.

Are you nutriders this stupid? Thompson sucks. He's a friggin tomato can. And he embarrased your hero despite a free standup and a bad stoppage. Thompson so tired him out he had to cut off his post fight interview!

Even the very people cheering like crazy when he came out booed the **** out of him after that fight.

I really hope you're not that naive to think I am a Kimbo nuthugger for defending the guy. Kimbo hasn't ever been seen ****y or acted like he deserves more than another fighter in ANY situation. He fought good for a street fighter turned Pro MMA with THREE professional fights in my opinion.

I really hope you're not that naive to think I am a Kimbo nuthugger for defending the guy. Kimbo hasn't ever been seen ****y or acted like he deserves more than another fighter in ANY situation. He fought good for a street fighter turned Pro MMA with THREE professional fights in my opinion.

My thoughts exactly, damn your on a damn roll tonight

dude ****en listen 2 him im youtube an listen 2 his interviews he's a ****in puppet.
bas an shaw are pullin his strings.
i've lost respect for bas long ago sporiting this fixed up thug.

Hey Hey Now Bas I'll Defend To The Death, That Man Is Simply To Hilarious Lol

I don't mind that Kimbo is getting his money. I just get pissed off at the Kimbo hype machine acting like he's they greatest thing to happen to MMA since Jiu Jitsu....

Faber vs Pulver is TONIGHT anyone wanna bet, I got Faber

kimbos a *****...cauthem a whats em a callit an the other kimbo nut huggers where u at.
he's a ****in joke defend him come on.....waiting.

cauthem a whats em a callit .

You sound drunk here bro lol but speakin of B!TCH Nick Serra made me lose all respect for him after what he pulled I was so despereate for him to prove himself and for him to quit like a girl on his back ...tisk tisk

kimbos a *****...cauthem a whats em a callit an the other kimbo nut huggers where u at.
he's a ****in joke defend him come on.....waiting.

What are you going to do? Roll your face on your keyboard and hope to develop some kind of legible sentence?

I will never hug another man's nuts, but I want to see you try to dis someone that does.

Im not going to disagree with anyone who says kimbo had a poor showing, or that the fight was stopped too early. But i do believe that kimbo is and can be alot better then he was tonight. I do still believe that he is a force to be wreckoned with but he did show alot of weakness. James Thompson though he is a tomato can, has been around for a while, and this was by far the biggest fight of his career, he was ready to get in there. Even george st. pierre can have an off night, im not ready to write kimbo off just yet...

He fought good for a street fighter turned Pro MMA with THREE professional fights in my opinion.

He's fighting in Main Events!!!!!

That's our point. If Elite wants to build him slowly, fine. But put up a Main Event with guys who DESERVE it. Look at tonight, they had a TITLE FIGHT playing second fiddle to a Kimbo fight. That's why real MMA fans don't have alot of respect for the guy and say he over-hyped. He's not Main Event material, and after tonight it's looking like he won't ever be.

He's fighting in Main Events!!!!!

That's our point. If Elite wants to build him slowly, fine. But put up a Main Event with guys who DESERVE it. Look at tonight, they had a TITLE FIGHT playing second fiddle to a Kimbo fight. That's why real MMA fans don't have alot of respect for the guy and say he over-hyped. He's not Main Event material, and after tonight it's looking like he won't ever be.

You may hate Kimbo but this reasoning right here is right on the money. Robbie Lawler deserves a bit more limelight as do the other guys but at the end of the day the paying customer wants to see Kimbo so he's gonna milk it

Oh and can we all thank god for Joey Vil EXPOSING Phil Homoni.

You may hate Kimbo but this reasoning right here is right on the money. Robbie Lawler deserves a bit more limelight as do the other guys but at the end of the day the paying customer wants to see Kimbo so he's gonna milk it

Oh and can we all thank god for Joey Vil EXPOSING Phil Homoni.

I actually felt bad for Baroni....

i wanna watch the fight somerone help me out!

I actually felt bad for Baroni....

Wait are you talkin about the same Baroni who went on record to say he WILL beat Anderson Silva and kept callin Joey Smokin Joe

Wait are you talkin about the same Baroni who went on record to say he WILL beat Anderson Silva and kept callin Joey Smokin Joe


Yeah. Dudes washed up but he's kinda dumb so he still thinks he's good....

i wanna watch the fight somerone help me out!

It's already on Youtube

lol, I hate Hammer House although Randleman does have his gleaming moments

lol, I hate Hammer House although Randleman does have his gleaming moments

Really? I hate Randleman. Dude submitted non human urine for a piss test in nevada....

Really? I hate Randleman. Dude submitted non human urine for a piss test in nevada....

LOL I hate him too but he ko-ed a prime Cro Cop and got robbed against Rutten, as much as I love Bas

that was a really good fight...

Incredible!

That Lawler and Smith bout was awesome until they stopped it. Bull**** call and the ref should have stopped or at least warned Kimbo to start defending himself in the second round cause he just layed there half motionless while the big guy beat him down.

i think the difference was when kimbo was down james was hitting him with pitty pat shots... when kimbo hit him back... it was like shattering...

Still tho , unprotected shots lead to a stoppage, this is why UFC is owning everyone, they put on a pro show. Although with all the pressure I think EliteXC did a good job, they gotta give Buenatello and Silva some shine tho

In the Kimbo fight there were times when it seemed like Thompson
didn't know what to do once he had kimbo on his back. True Kevin gassed, but he was still able to throw hard strikes. That uppercut followed by the left hook was text book. Kimbo wanted out of that fight.
Visions of Gannon ran thru his head. Ive seen Frank Shamrock so spent after a fight, he had to be carried back to the dressing room.

Kimbo will be killed when facing a top fighter, but get a good payday for it.

you *****z is haters for REAL! I'm sittin back laughing, Kimbo could come out right now and kill Chuck Liddell with strikes and then tap him out and everybody will still say "oh well Kimbo got Chuck while he was old", there will always be an excuse or response to downplay Kimbo but it isn't because he's whack or ****ed up it's because YOU as an individual DON'T LIKE HIM, you already have it vested in you not to like him for whatever reason so even if he becomes 135-0 you will still hate him.

to know of Kimbo, to see his street fights and his prior MMA fights and to not be astonished as to how he was able to cope with that kind of adversity against a legit MMA fighter is insane, he showed so much improvement it ain't even funny, don't get me wrong he's wreaking of weaknesses and eventually the Slice man is going to go down but in his improvement department we saw him apply ground game of his own, we saw him fend off against many punches while being stuck on his back, we saw him hang tough and eventually come back to win all while being fatigued, so in a nut shell this guy fights the hardest fight of his life and because some of you never liked him since even before his MMA days he's suddenly no good?

on the real some of you guys got your heads up your asses, you can't have respect for Bas Rutten and not like Kimbo yo, Bas took Kimbo underneath his wing and where do you think thats going? eventually 4-5 years down the road Kimbo will be a solid MMA fighter with an extensive record, then what? what will you be able to say then? fact is the haters are only hating because they never liked him to begin with and now they forced to see him on the front page of yahoo.com everytime they check their e-mails, but real recognize real and if you been watching Kimbo on neutral eyes you would see the drastic improvements he's come up with, his ground game improved a bit, he showed tons of heart, he fought his way out of spots that usually would stop another fighter and he showed overall better accuracy with his punches. sure his stamina still ****ed him up but this is a learning process and with Bas on his side Kimbo will only get better and will make a lot of you haters even sicker in the stomache..

1 more thing too, you know how I KNOW most of you guys are just haters? no good, opinion NOT needed, head up ass haters? because Charles "Krazy Horse" Bennett doesn't train for fights, he's ya average hood dude who goes to the gym here and there yet he fights MMA, he really shows no training effort to improve and only brings himself and his hands to the ring and e does fairly well, a streetfighter just like Kimbo and Krazy actually knocked out KJ Noons, a well respected guy. why isn't nobody getting on him? he doesn't train, he's a street fighter and he is almost as limited as Kimbo is right now after having all those MMA fights, why not grind his name and rep down too? you know why, because Krazy wasn't the one on youtube, Krazy Horse wasn't the big bald black dude in the ****o joints online rollin with hood *****z, he ain't the one making more money than almost everybody in MMA in his stature. see you hate his success, there are others worse but you don't mention them because you don't HATE them as much, Kimbo though a dude who ACTUALLY trains, who actually improves in SOME way every fight and showed TRUE effort you guys hate him, pretty ****in shameful.. to those who read my bad I made the post so long.

you *****z is haters for REAL! I'm sittin back laughing, Kimbo could come out right now and kill Chuck Liddell with strikes and then tap him out and everybody will still say "oh well Kimbo got Chuck while he was old", there will always be an excuse or response to downplay Kimbo but it isn't because he's whack or ****ed up it's because YOU as an individual DON'T LIKE HIM, you already have it vested in you not to like him for whatever reason so even if he becomes 135-0 you will still hate him.

to know of Kimbo, to see his street fights and his prior MMA fights and to not be astonished as to how he was able to cope with that kind of adversity against a legit MMA fighter is insane, he showed so much improvement it ain't even funny, don't get me wrong he's wreaking of weaknesses and eventually the Slice man is going to go down but in his improvement department we saw him apply ground game of his own, we saw him fend off against many punches while being stuck on his back, we saw him hang tough and eventually come back to win all while being fatigued, so in a nut shell this guy fights the hardest fight of his life and because some of you never liked him since even before his MMA days he's suddenly no good?

on the real some of you guys got your heads up your asses, you can't have respect for Bas Rutten and not like Kimbo yo, Bas took Kimbo underneath his wing and where do you think thats going? eventually 4-5 years down the road Kimbo will be a solid MMA fighter with an extensive record, then what? what will you be able to say then? fact is the haters are only hating because they never liked him to begin with and now they forced to see him on the front page of yahoo.com everytime they check their e-mails, but real recognize real and if you been watching Kimbo on neutral eyes you would see the drastic improvements he's come up with, his ground game improved a bit, he showed tons of heart, he fought his way out of spots that usually would stop another fighter and he showed overall better accuracy with his punches. sure his stamina still ****ed him up but this is a learning process and with Bas on his side Kimbo will only get better and will make a lot of you haters even sicker in the stomache..

1 more thing too, you know how I KNOW most of you guys are just haters? no good, opinion NOT needed, head up ass haters? because Charles "Krazy Horse" Bennett doesn't train for fights, he's ya average hood dude who goes to the gym here and there yet he fights MMA, he really shows no training effort to improve and only brings himself and his hands to the ring and e does fairly well, a streetfighter just like Kimbo and Krazy actually knocked out KJ Noons, a well respected guy. why isn't nobody getting on him? he doesn't train, he's a street fighter and he is almost as limited as Kimbo is right now after having all those MMA fights, why not grind his name and rep down too? you know why, because Krazy wasn't the one on youtube, Krazy Horse wasn't the big bald black dude in the ****o joints online rollin with hood *****z, he ain't the one making more money than almost everybody in MMA in his stature. see you hate his success, there are others worse but you don't mention them because you don't HATE them as much, Kimbo though a dude who ACTUALLY trains, who actually improves in SOME way every fight and showed TRUE effort you guys hate him, pretty ****in shameful.. to those who read my bad I made the post so long.

Chuck would knock Kimbo the **** out. It would be a case of Amateur vs Pro and it would not be close.

Chuck would knock Kimbo the **** out. It would be a case of Amateur vs Pro and it would not be close.

I said, and it was perfectly clear, that even if Kimbo beat Chuck Liddell to death and made him tap out he still wont get no credit for it, I KNOW Chuck would beat Kimbo but I was referencing to the haters that no matter what Kimbo does, he could fight Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz and Sean Gannon and beat them all in a 4 on 1 by KO each and people will still have something negative to say.. 1

I said, and it was perfectly clear, that even if Kimbo beat Chuck Liddell to death and made him tap out he still wont get no credit for it, I KNOW Chuck would beat Kimbo but I was referencing to the haters that no matter what Kimbo does, he could fight Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz and Sean Gannon and beat them all in a 4 on 1 by KO each and people will still have something negative to say.. 1
I can't fault the guy for making a few bucks, and he is improving as a fighter. That said, in terms of skill the guy is semi-pro at best and belongs nowhere near a main event slot. Oh well, I guess we can blame Shaw really.

Crillz has to be the biggest nutrider I have ever seen.

He fought a guy who is terrible. A guy who has lost TWICE within 20 seconds by KO. A guy who was hand-picked to make him look good. And he nearly lost. He was behind on the scorecards when the fight was stopped. He showed no ground technique. He was so gassed he could not finish his post fight interview.

The guy is a bum who fights bums. And who got exposed by a bum. The fact he fights in the Main Event for six-figures shows what a buffoon Gary Shaw is. I bet EliteXC folds within a year.

Crillz has to be the biggest nutrider I have ever seen.

He fought a guy who is terrible. A guy who has lost TWICE within 20 seconds by KO. A guy who was hand-picked to make him look good. And he nearly lost. He was behind on the scorecards when the fight was stopped. He showed no ground technique. He was so gassed he could not finish his post fight interview.

The guy is a bum who fights bums. And who got exposed by a bum. The fact he fights in the Main Event for six-figures shows what a buffoon Gary Shaw is. I bet EliteXC folds within a year.

Nutrider? didn't you read above you ****ing idiot I said eventually Kimbo will drop and I know this, I been watching him, I know he got a lot of weaknesses but he also got his upsides, he can strike the **** out of you and he can fend off on the ground, he got heart so he can take a lot of punishment and keep coming and despite little stamina he's able to still fight threw the fatigue, what's the problem? see you need to pull ya head out ya ass, you quick to challenge someone with an opinion on what they personally have done relating to the sport like if that makes you the only knowledgeable ***** on here, just cuz you do ya little MMA thing, **** outta here.

why am I a nutrider? for speaking truth? he attracted MAD viewers for someone who was collecting cans 5 years ago. to like Kimbo Slice is to understand him, to see what kind of a leap he took from bum on the streets to MMA star. just 1 year ago he didn't know **** about MMA or none of that technical **** and now all of a sudden he has to be a Juijitsu master? stop thinking you know every ****ing thing, not every MMA fighter is going to be technically sound. that was a good match making they did, Kimbo was evenly matched.. hold a sec, that might make you fall back in laughter being that your head is so far up your ass but remember this is only his 1st year officially training and fighting in MMA, what the **** do you expect from him Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz? you sounding foolish for even looking for those qualities in Kimbo because it should be quite obvious that he ain't all up there yet.

bottomline is you just hate Kimbo, leave it to a hater to call the next man a nutrider. if he fought and beat Chuck Liddell you would scream "Chuck was old, Kimbo ain't ****", he could beat the whole UFC roster back to back in 1 night and you'll be like "They all still drunk from all the partying they were doing on 'The Ultimate Fighter", or more realistically Kimbo can fight an EVENLY matched opponent, break threw his shell and show he's serious about this sport and win via KO after a tough, sluggish match up where he could've lost the same way he lost before to Gannon but instead made the proper adjustments to correct his errors and win this time, you'll say "The guy was a bum, Kimbo ain't ****, wait till he fights such and such".. no matter hat he does you'll bash him because you are a hater. I speak on truth and what I saw from Kimbo last night surprised me, I will be watching his next fight and you will too, whether to see him lose or to see him win you'll be watching hater.

I can't fault the guy for making a few bucks, and he is improving as a fighter. That said, in terms of skill the guy is semi-pro at best and belongs nowhere near a main event slot. Oh well, I guess we can blame Shaw really.

True story, but you see I think the reason why Kimbo is such an attraction isn't involving anything with MMA. if he were just an MMA dude who came up under MMA and didn't have his internet **** he wouldn't be **** but since he already brought 2,000,000 viewers with him even before he decided to strap those gloves on he was ALREADY in popular demand. he had rappers putting him in lines before he even had a pro MMA fight, he had mad love already so it just carried over to MMA where the love therefore turned into big dollars and the match makers in Gary Shaw promotions saw the potential to make big bucks, hence last night. either way with MMA or not Kimbo already had a lot of love, he could've still been doing street fights and people would've been content, instead he opted to become a professional fighter and at this point he isn't fully there in terms of skills but he's building..

as for the main event slot? well Oscar De La Hoya is about to get another chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr after going 12 hard rounds with Steve Forbes, prior he LOST to Floyd, he is 10 years past his prime and he lost I think 2 or 3 of his last 5 fights, answer me this, how does a guy like that get to fight for the Welterweight crown again? his name, his celebrity status that he brings ON TOP of his fighting ability, this is why guys like Oscar De La Hoya and Zab Judah get more and more chances. it's the same with Kimbo accept Kimbo hasn't blown any chances and people know him from the youtube fights. I don't see no wrong with Kimbo doing what he's doing.

Crillz has to be the biggest nutrider I have ever seen.

He fought a guy who is terrible. A guy who has lost TWICE within 20 seconds by KO. A guy who was hand-picked to make him look good. And he nearly lost. He was behind on the scorecards when the fight was stopped. He showed no ground technique. He was so gassed he could not finish his post fight interview.

The guy is a bum who fights bums. And who got exposed by a bum. The fact he fights in the Main Event for six-figures shows what a buffoon Gary Shaw is. I bet EliteXC folds within a year.

Its not he's a nutrider but your just a hater. I agree with crillz totally on this. I mean enough of this, I'm not a huge fan of Kimbo nor do I hate on him but facts are facts. I'm not going to talk **** about the guy when he's doing his thing and making his money. In what way is he affecting you? Is it the competition? He's going to eventually fight better guys but honestly, its only his 3rd fight

just cuz you do ya little MMA thing, **** outta here.

Yeah, because guys who do it are not anymore knowledgeable than those who don't. Idiot

When you want your car's motor inspected do you go to a mechanic or a plumber?

he attracted MAD viewers for someone who was collecting cans 5 years ago.

Again, EliteXC filled LESS THAN HALF OF THE ARENA! UFC sells out on the day their tickets go on sale.

Like I said earlier, the hype machine blew its engine on Saturday night.

Do you want him to sign to UFC and fight Liddell in only three professional fights? What is it of him you don't like that you hate on him this much? Cause he's a bum? Well he was before but he's making a bunch of money now and considering he was homeless before I don't see how you don't give him credit. I really don't see what the hating on him is for. The guy wants to win and make money and your messed if your going to hate on him because of it

I hate the hype. I think the best fighters should be in the Main Events. Not bum-vs-bum matches. I've posted this numerous times.

And as someone who does MMA, and has been paid as a trainer, I say Kimbo's skills are sub-par, even for a guy with 3 pro fights.

I'm still waiting on your credentials.

by the way I heard guys at my work talking I would of thought he looked great

I hate the hype. I think the best fighters should be in the Main Events. Not bum-vs-bum matches. I've posted this numerous times.

And as someone who does MMA, and has been paid as a trainer, I say Kimbo's skills are sub-par, even for a guy with 3 pro fights.

I'm still waiting on your credentials.

I'm still waiting for yours.Your ideas of MMA are off. You think that because Kimbo is somehow representing the sport(which I don't think he is)that critics are going to point out that some guy from youtube who was a backyard brawler is bad for the sport because he sets a bad example for kids. Listen kid, no matter what MMA will be sanctioned everywhere in the states.Look how far they've come, you think they're going to shut it down cause of Kimbo. He's bringing in more fans to the sport and he's the last person they'll make an example of.Without him,I wouldn't bet that EliteXC would do as well as they do now

Again, I'm hating on the hype. I think it's kinda funny he got Gary Shaw to put him in main events and pay him 6-figures per fight. But Shaw is an idiot, and I think Elite will go under within a year because of it. If Kimbo paid his dues like other fighters, I would not hate on him like I do.

As for my credentials, I've done MMA for around 6 years now. I'm a Blue Belt in BJJ under Rolles Gracie Jr. I'm licensed as a trainer by the Combative Sports Dept of the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation.

Whats yours?

The UFC broke the pay-per-view industry's all-time records for a single year of business, generating over $222,766,000 in revenue during 2006, surpassing WWE and boxing.

A publicly traded company, Pro Elite has posted losses of $31.3 million through 2007.


Yeah, Kimbo really is bringing those fans into Elite isn't he?

Man every fighter has to start somewhere people, just cuz Kimbo propelled himself to the top so quickly with interent fights doesnt mean he aint no fighter... You dont even have to be a fan of his or MMA to agree with that notion if your in there its for a reason win lose or draw... As for the fight Kimbo defintely needs work and could have easily lost that fight but its fights like this early in his MMA career that will either make or break, him i aint no nuthugger but the dude has a vibe that makes him cool and likable he'll bounce back bicthes

And how do fighters pay there dues, because they choose to wrestle in high-school or box amateur or study jiu-jitsu... A fighter pays his dues by training working out and entering that ring **** when you started and how much your getting paid for it... Kimbo happen to be a marketable guy from the internet whos personlity pushed him to a level guys who've been MMAing for 20 years wont ever get, why hold that against him.... **** look at Brcok did he pay his dues cuz he was a wrestling champ in college and the WWE he's already lost a fight and i guarentee his getting paiod more then alot of fioghter!

The UFC broke the pay-per-view industry's all-time records for a single year of business, generating over $222,766,000 in revenue during 2006, surpassing WWE and boxing.

A publicly traded company, Pro Elite has posted losses of $31.3 million through 2007.


Yeah, Kimbo really is bringing those fans into Elite isn't he?

Yup that makes sense, you recognize that theirs hype and all that for him yet you don't think he's bringing in fans. So all that money on him and investements are going down the drain or don't exist. So tell us, if the fans are not drawn to MMA at all where are they comming from. Are fans saying " oh look, there's Kimbo, he's not exciting so i'll change the channel, he's just a backyard brawler, not really interesting". Bud, turn on the t.v. or radio or something, he's the talk of MMA, how do you not recognize that he's drawing in viewers even if their not fans. Go to NSB and even guys who dislike MMA watch Kimbo, accept it man

Sugar, what part of Elite only filled half the arena do you not understand?

They had a live gate of just over 8,000. That's embarrassing.

Yeah, because guys who do it are not anymore knowledgeable than those who don't. Idiot

When you want your car's motor inspected do you go to a mechanic or a plumber?



Again, EliteXC filled LESS THAN HALF OF THE ARENA! UFC sells out on the day their tickets go on sale.

Like I said earlier, the hype machine blew its engine on Saturday night.

out of all I wrote thats ALL you could comment on? it's aight though because that just lets me know you just looking for something smart to say back but you realize what I'm saying is true. you're a hater plain and simple. I know trainers right now whom have never boxed and they TRAIN fighters, meaning they TEACH them and THEY THEMSELVES have never Boxed, therefore you DON'T have to be hands on to know what the **** you talking about, pull ya head out ya ass, ya MMA experience doesn't say **** for you when you coming online and using it as leverage over other knowledgeable people just cuz you decided to actually step in a cage and get ya ass whooped..

They don't have to sell out, **** it but an internet sensation, a backyard brawler head lined the show, a show where pretty big names fought and HE headlined the show, must mean people wanna see him.. aight then.

Hey bad, did you forget that it was on CBS for the first fight so some people decided to watch it on cable for the FIRST time, how didn't you see that, would you pay go to an event that's on cable. Odds are no

I think most people are attracted to Kimbo becuase of his look and his backyard fights. Which is why a lot of people want to see him fight. The thing is though I feel the majority of people that watch him fight are not really into the sport of MMA for the art of it. There just wanna watch him for the violence and that's it. Not all, but most are probably the trendy fans. In the end Kimbo wouldn't be where's he's at if he didn't have that look and fought against the likes of Afro Puff, Dreads, and Big Mac on the internet.

IncuFan is owning the thread.

About the ratings; my take is that it will have done pretty good. I also think though, that the next CBS show will have lower numbers. I think alot of the 1st time fans won't be back. That's what happens when the hype is bigger than the fight itself.

Shaw took a gamble that his Main Event would be a highlight reel KO for his poster boy. Instead his guy was losing the fight and got a bad stoppage.

IncuFan is owning the thread.

About the ratings; my take is that it will have done pretty good. I also think though, that the next CBS show will have lower numbers. I think alot of the 1st time fans won't be back. That's what happens when the hype is bigger than the fight itself.

Shaw took a gamble that his Main Event would be a highlight reel KO for his poster boy. Instead his guy was losing the fight and got a bad stoppage.

Well obviously with you being Kimbo's number one hater, nothing positive would come out of that fight with your posts now would it

I hate the hype. I think the best fighters should be in the Main Events. Not bum-vs-bum matches. I've posted this numerous times.

And as someone who does MMA, and has been paid as a trainer, I say Kimbo's skills are sub-par, even for a guy with 3 pro fights.

I'm still waiting on your credentials.
I completely agree man, Kimbo should be nowhere near a main event. I think Shaw is the ****ing idiot though, granted a repeat of Tank-Kimbo would've made for some good CBS footage, throwing all your eggs in the Kimbo basket is ****ing retarded if your shaw. Kimbo should've for sure been on the card, but they could've done a hell of a lot better for the main event.

IncuFan is owning the thread.

About the ratings; my take is that it will have done pretty good. I also think though, that the next CBS show will have lower numbers. I think alot of the 1st time fans won't be back. That's what happens when the hype is bigger than the fight itself.

Shaw took a gamble that his Main Event would be a highlight reel KO for his poster boy. Instead his guy was losing the fight and got a bad stoppage.
Thats the truth.

Is it just me, or did Kimbo look like he almost died in the ring?


That ref might have saved his career when he was down in that corner by lettin him take all that punishment, but he also took a good year off of Kimbo's MMA career. I mean after that 2nd round, Kimbo looked just like a boxer who's about to leave on a stretcher.


Anyways, that guy with the ****ed up ear just had to throw a faint jab out and I bet Kimbo would have gone down. Kimbo's eyes were glassed over and his brow was down to the mid-section of his nose. He looked like he wanted to go to sleep when he came out for the 3rd round.

I'm not even gonna lie, from Carano beatin the snot out of that chick toward the end of their fight, to Kimbo lookin like he was about to die, lol that whole night was probably some of the most disturbing public television ever.

cauthin whatever yoru name is KImbo Who.......thats right, he's a ***** explain that...
i may seem childish but i love it wooo....
Kimbo Nuthuggerss where u at woot.

The name is cuauhtemoc and I will respond and again ask the same question that you HATERS seem not to be getting.

Why do you hate this guy so much?? I don't get it. Ok here's the thing, Kimbo is a street fighter, who is very strong and very gifted athletically. I can understand the hate from people if he talked a lot of smack against other MMA fighters, or came at the sport with no respect saying he was going to take the sport over, or knock this guy out.

The fact is he doesn't do that, if anything he's been incredibly respectful and at the end of his fight he even said, "I have a lot to learn".

Why are you guys so adamant on hating this man for trying to get paid? His popularity says more about your precious sport than anything else, than about him. If kimbo is the "face" of MMA, then it's more of an indictment of the sport and not him.

I'm a boxing guy, boxed when I was a kid, teach boxing and have been invloved in the sport since I was 13, I'm 35 now. It would be like me getting mad at butterbean for wanting to box, same thing. Kimbo is just trying to get paid and I can't get mad at the guy. He's very charasmatic and a very likeable guy, he will be on tv once again and the haters will continue to hate.

Well obviously with you being Kimbo's number one hater, nothing positive would come out of that fight with your posts now would it

Other than the fact he won, name ONE positive.

I'll name some negatives: He showed a lack of cardio, he showed no ground game, his hyped up punching power failed to KO a guy with a glass jaw, he showed little takedown defense, he is easy to hit.

Get the point?

Other than the fact he won, name ONE positive.

I'll name some negatives: He showed a lack of cardio, he showed no ground game, his hyped up punching power failed to KO a guy with a glass jaw, he showed little takedown defense, he is easy to hit.

Get the point?

Woahhh, I agree with you on most of those things, but with all of your credentials you must see that James Thompson has anything but a glass jaw. I'm not saying he's a Mark Hunt/Fujita, but James Thompson is only getting the same results that a person who doesn't know how to strike would get.

And for just starting his ground game I thought Kimbo did pretty well against someone who has been doing it for a while.

Am I nuthugging?

you must see that James Thompson has anything but a glass jaw.

He's been KO'd in under 20 seconds in TWO fights. And both were KTFO, laid out, asleep KO's. That's a glass jaw.

And for just starting his ground game I thought Kimbo did pretty well against someone who has been doing it for a while.

Am I nuthugging?

Thompson is not known as a good grappler, first of all. And Kimbo has been working with Bas for over a year now. His Jiu-Jitsu should be alot better than it was. He showed NO technique, only strength. He also showed little takedown defense.

You're not nutriding IMO. You just have more to learn about MMA is all. And I don't mean that as an insult.

He's been KO'd in under 20 seconds in TWO fights. And both were KTFO, laid out, asleep KO's. That's a glass jaw.



Thompson is not known as a good grappler, first of all. And Kimbo has been working with Bas for over a year now. His Jiu-Jitsu should be alot better than it was. He showed NO technique, only strength. He also showed little takedown defense.

You're not nutriding IMO. You just have more to learn about MMA is all. And I don't mean that as an insult.

If you ran into a ring, thinking you were going to knock someone out, you having insufficient skills.. My bets are you would get put to sleep. Shots James Thompson takes are from professional athletes. I wouldn't discount him. Look at Ernesto Hoost, now HE had a glass jaw, he's even said that he can't take even one power punch. What is his record? 80+ Wins or something? Unless you're taking clean shots to the temple, it's all technique. If Thompson came in with better angles/striking skills/wrestling, I doubt you'd see him KO'd like that again.

Be real man, one year of ground training with Bas Rutten put up against a guy with several fights in PRIDE?

I figured there would be no response.....

If you ran into a ring, thinking you were going to knock someone out, you having insufficient skills.. My bets are you would get put to sleep. Shots James Thompson takes are from professional athletes. I wouldn't discount him. Look at Ernesto Hoost, now HE had a glass jaw, he's even said that he can't take even one power punch. What is his record? 80+ Wins or something? Unless you're taking clean shots to the temple, it's all technique. If Thompson came in with better angles/striking skills/wrestling, I doubt you'd see him KO'd like that again.

Be real man, one year of ground training with Bas Rutten put up against a guy with several fights in PRIDE?


Just stop. Your looking like a nutrider.

Thompson has a glass jaw. Name ANY OTHER fighter with two losses in under 20 seconds. Brett Rogers KO'd him. While Rogers is a prospect, his punches are not very technical. He throws winging shots.

It's not just a question of not getting hit. It's a question of being able to take the shots that don't miss. Thompson's record shows he can't take punches very well.

While Thompson has more fights, he has not beaten a significant or ranked fighter. He even lost to Butterbean! FYI, Kimbo's ground game looked bad for a guy with over one year of training.

I figured there would be no response.....

Wrong again, nutrider.

Im not a nutrider your just a hater, why are you so opposed to this guy making money off fighting?? You still can't answer that.

I'm not avoiding it. And I have answered it. Just cause you can't read or you missed it is not my problem.

I posted before that I think it's kind of funny he got Gary Shaw to put him in Main Events and pay him 6-figures per fight. I said Shaw is a buffoon and Elite won't make it another year because of him.

Im not a nutrider your just a hater, why are you so opposed to this guy making money off fighting?? You still can't answer that.


The Problem is he's the main event, a title fight played second fiddle too his hype machine.....

I'm not avoiding it. And I have answered it. Just cause you can't read or you missed it is not my problem.

I posted before that I think it's kind of funny he got Gary Shaw to put him in Main Events and pay him 6-figures per fight. I said Shaw is a buffoon and Elite won't make it another year because of him.

If you are smart you will know that it takes a while to master jiu-jitsu and still a long time to see even a bit of improvement when you have no experience like Kimbo does. Again you put high standards for a fighter who has no MMA experience and yet you blame it on Gary Shaw. Every arguement I bring up your not answering. And yet you don't hate him just the "hype"

I'm not avoiding it. And I have answered it. Just cause you can't read or you missed it is not my problem.

I posted before that I think it's kind of funny he got Gary Shaw to put him in Main Events and pay him 6-figures per fight. I said Shaw is a buffoon and Elite won't make it another year because of him.

And I understand that and can read very well, in two languages. What I don't understand is the animosity against Kimbo. If you want to be angry ar Gary Shaw or the sport for entertaining this, then I understand. To be angry at a man that is coming in very humble and with the utmost respect for the sport doens't make sense other than you guys just hating him for whatever personal reason.

You know, I know, everyone knows..****, even Kimbo knows what he can and can't do in the sport. He's just trying to eat man, that's all.

Just stop. Your looking like a nutrider.

Thompson has a glass jaw. Name ANY OTHER fighter with two losses in under 20 seconds. Brett Rogers KO'd him. While Rogers is a prospect, his punches are not very technical. He throws winging shots.

It's not just a question of not getting hit. It's a question of being able to take the shots that don't miss. Thompson's record shows he can't take punches very well.

While Thompson has more fights, he has not beaten a significant or ranked fighter. He even lost to Butterbean! FYI, Kimbo's ground game looked bad for a guy with over one year of training.

I don't look like anything other than someone posting on a forum. Ernesto Hoost had a glass jaw, but with superior technique he overcame it. Proof. James Thompson's lack of technique gets him knocked out, not his knockout resistance. He has beaten Dan Severn and Don Frye, maybe not Top 10 Athletes but give the guy some credit. From what I saw in this last fight James Thompson vastly improved from his normal "run across the ring and get KTFO" style.

And I understand that and can read very well, in two languages. What I don't understand is the animosity against Kimbo. If you want to be angry ar Gary Shaw or the sport for entertaining this, then I understand. To be angry at a man that is coming in very humble and with the utmost respect for the sport doens't make sense other than you guys just hating him for whatever personal reason.

You know, I know, everyone knows..****, even Kimbo knows what he can and can't do in the sport. He's just trying to eat man, that's all.

Agree with you man, this guy has been hating on Kimbo for the longest time. And yet he said its the "hype" but I can find many posts proving the hate that has nothing to do with the "hype" at all. He's not the most talented fighter but he has come from being homeless to making 6 figure contracts. Also on paper all the guys he's faught are better then him on paper (more experience, more wins, more skillful and sometimes the bigger man),yet he still wins

I understand Kimbo fighting to make a living and Im fine with that. It's just that he hasn't really earned it in the octagon. Has he had a tough life and overcomed that to become popular, yes he has. It's a good accomplishment because he could have gone in a lot of other directions that weren't positive.

It's just that when you have gotten to the position he's at. Main Eventing on CBS (a first for MMA and the first for any fight game in a while) he's gonna be prone to critisicm. Especially when his credential's before this was fighting Afro Puff, Dreads, and Big Mac in backyards and two pretty weak opponent's in his first two EliteXC fights. If it wasn't for his look, crazy hairstyle, full beard, gold teeth, and muscular body. Plus his legendary backyard fights he wouldn't be in this position plain and simple. Im sure there are other guys in MMA that have a rags to riches type of story that he does, but since they don't have those backyard internet fights they don't get the pub.

I also understand Kimbo is taking this serious, case in point, hiring a guy like Bas Rutten to train him. Plus I also understand that he's new to the game and is fighting low quality opponents, which is justifiable. The problem I have is main event's. The fight's he's had in his last two would be good for undercard bouts, but not main events. I guess you can call me a Kimbo hater, but it's not really Kimbo personally. It's the hype that surrounds him.

I understand Kimbo fighting to make a living and Im fine with that. It's just that he hasn't really earned it in the octagon. Has he had a tough life and overcomed that to become popular, yes he has. It's a good accomplishment because he could have gone in a lot of other directions that weren't positive.

It's just that when you have gotten to the position he's at. Main Eventing on CBS (a first for MMA and the first for any fight game in a while) he's gonna be prone to critisicm. Especially when his credential's before this was fighting Afro Puff, Dreads, and Big Mac in backyards and two pretty weak opponent's in his first two EliteXC fights. If it wasn't for his look, crazy hairstyle, full beard, gold teeth, and muscular body. Plus his legendary backyard fights he wouldn't be in this position plain and simple. Im sure there are other guys in MMA that have a rags to riches type of story that he does, but since they don't have those backyard internet fights they don't get the pub.

I also understand Kimbo is taking this serious, case in point, hiring a guy like Bas Rutten to train him. Plus I also understand that he's new to the game and is fighting low quality opponents, which is justifiable. The problem I have is main event's. The fight's he's had in his last two would be good for undercard bouts, but not main events. I guess you can call me a Kimbo hater, but it's not really Kimbo personally. It's the hype that surrounds him.


Finally an intelligent well thought out response. I can understand that and you are entitles to your opinion. I would see where people think it's pretty bogus for him to get the headliner and I get that, but the personal attacks on Kimbo for just trying to fight are just hate, plain and simple.

And like I said, it's easy for us to sit here and criticize a guy who is actually going out there and doing it, instead of just talking about it.

Dealing with main eventing events and making 6 figures in just his 3rd MMA match be blamed on Gary Shaw. I mean when you think about it, Kimbo doesn't have the same authority that Shaw has obviously so with that being said, Shaw makes the final decision on Kimbo's fights. If any blame is to be put if you don't agree, it should be towards Shaw. For a guy who has only 3 pro fights, I can't imagine him telling Shaw who he wants to fight since he just wants to make money. I can understand not liking the way EliteXC handles things but by no means should Kimbo be hated for winning matches, making money and fighting who they put infront of him. His competition may be questionable, but on paper they are better then him yet he still proves his critics that he can still win

I've repeatedly said it's the hype I hate. I've said his record is not what a Main Event fighter should have. I've said his skills are sub-par for a Main Event fighter. Seeing him in undercard fights is fine. But getting to MAin Event and getting paid six-figures is pure hype.

Did you miss that?

Dealing with main eventing events and making 6 figures in just his 3rd MMA match be blamed on Gary Shaw. I mean when you think about it, Kimbo doesn't have the same authority that Shaw has obviously so with that being said, Shaw makes the final decision on Kimbo's fights.

I said this last night.

Shaw is a moron. A moron whose company lost $33 million dollars last year.

Do you know how much money UFC lost at one point until they started posting gains. Look, IMO Kimbo isn't skillful and shouldn't always headline main event because he hasn't reached that point yet and at 34 its hard to see anyone reach that point if they're not Kimbo and don't have MMA experience. I also agree that he wouldn't be where he is if it were not for youtube and his backyard street fights. But EliteXC saw an opportunity to allow a well known street fighter to enter their business, highlight main events and make them money. Here is where the argueing takes place. Some think he is a mockery to the sport and plays a negative impact on the sport. I disagree not because i'm his fan (which really i'm this this huge fan of his its just I don't hate him) but seeing how destined he is to make a living, he deserves an opportunity since no one is bringing the hype like he is. If you were in Shaw's shoes you would do the same

If you were in Shaw's shoes you would do the same

I'm his biggest critic! And your an idiot.

What I would have done was offer Randy Couture the money he gives Kimbo. And offer him bonuses for good PPV numbers as well. Couture is a big name, even to the casual fan. And he is a known commodity, unlike a backyard brawler.

I'm his biggest critic! And your an idiot.

What I would have done was offer Randy Couture the money he gives Kimbo. And offer him bonuses for good PPV numbers as well. Couture is a big name, even to the casual fan. And he is a known commodity, unlike a backyard brawler.

I would rather have Couture in business because he's one of the greatest heavyweights.But is Shaw wrong for doing that.No, and if you were to run a business,it would probably go bankrupt.Couture is great but I doubt he brings the hype that Kimbo brings.Kimbo brings in fans and first time viewers to watch and is so far successful (whether positively or negatively)to the sport.Its just you could never run a business because you would fire all the guys you don't like when running a business is about using smart management techniques to the table and looking for key ways to make a profit.Just cause you don't like your employees,you don't have to fire them. Dana and Tito is a good point but you lack any intelligence

You started off good, then had to be a dick.

I actually work in business as my 'real' job. I do deal with people I dislike, but I do because they do a good job.

You know nothing about me. Be civil and I will.

Can we agree on these points?

1. Kimbo did not look impressive on Saturday, despite winning.
2. Kimbo is not deserving of Main Event status. Undercard yes, but not Main Event.
3. Gary Shaw is over-paying him.

when running a business is about using smart management techniques to the table and looking for key ways to make a profit.

You better inform Gary Shaw about that. I think he is unaware of that profit part. :)

Can we agree on these points?

1. Kimbo did not look impressive on Saturday, despite winning.
2. Kimbo is not deserving of Main Event status. Undercard yes, but not Main Event.
3. Gary Shaw is over-paying him.

Well you pay according to the numbers you do and when you look at the ratings.........it seemed Elite XC and Shaw did very well.

Oh and I doubt very seriously that paying and putting Randy Couture in the place of Kimbo you would do the same numbers or get the same hype.

Sorry but those are facts. maybe the hardcore watcher like you would tune in but ot the casual observer or someone who has never seen an MMA fight, Kimbo is much more appealing.

Could you imagine what a first time viewer of MMA would have said if they seen a 40+ year old fighter like Couture come in and wrrestle around for 5 minutes??

Oh and I doubt very seriously that paying and putting Randy Couture in the place of Kimbo you would do the same numbers or get the same hype. maybe the hardcore watcher like you would tune in but ot the casual observer or someone who has never seen an MMA fight, Kimbo is much more appealing.

I disagree. Couture is one of those fighters pretty well known to casual fans.

Could you imagine what a first time viewer of MMA would have said if they seen a 40+ year old fighter like Couture come in and wrrestle around for 5 minutes??

Name ONE boring Couture fight.

Sorry but those are facts.

Like live gate numbers and revenue figures. :)

I disagree. Couture is one of those fighters pretty well known to casual fans.



Name ONE boring Couture fight.



Like live gate numbers and revenue figures. :)

Not casual fans, people who have never seen the sport which is the way CBS put the thing together. The way they gave a sort of tutorial at the beginning of the program.

Realize this though, ju-jitsu on the ground for 5 minutes might appeal to me and you but to people that never seen the sport, it won't. As I heard on the radio today, "MMA is guys just humping each other on the ground after they can't punch anymore". Not what I think, just what I constantly hear.

Realize this though, ju-jitsu on the ground for 5 minutes might appeal to me and you but to people that never seen the sport, it won't. As I heard on the radio today, "MMA is guys just humping each other on the ground after they can't punch anymore". Not what I think, just what I constantly hear.

I completely agree.

But that's exactly what happened in the Kimbo fight! Because he has no takedown defense and his ground game is bad.

Serious question; You said you don't do ground work but you like watching it. How come you don't take a BJJ or wrestling class?

Can we agree on these points?

1. Kimbo did not look impressive on Saturday, despite winning.
2. Kimbo is not deserving of Main Event status. Undercard yes, but not Main Event.
3. Gary Shaw is over-paying him.

Yes I agree on most of that. Everytime I was pointing the facts that Kimbo was 1) not skillful 2) mostly known for his youtube fights and 3) he shouldn't be in main events at the moment you wouldn't read it or would change the topic. The getting paid part really shouldn't be a fans discussion as much since its Shaw's choice and doesn't affect us. I understand what you mean and the place where we do disagree is whether he is positive or negative to MMA in general

I agree with your last post.

It's all good bro.

Ye yo lol, whatever bro forget about all that, Kimbo isn't that good a fighter that we should talk about him this much, its just I just want to see someone like Rampage fight him, then all the hype will probably be gone and EliteXC will probably be over. He has a great success story but thats it. They don't match nowhere near UFC in rank,profit or excitement

Elite could though. And I'm for competition. They have some good talent. And Cung Le brings in new fans too. Fans of his movies and Kung-Fu practitioners who normally aren't into MMA watch his fights. And he is legit, he beat Frank Shamrock in like his 5th fight.

If you want to beat UFC, you have to attack their weaknesses. They low-ball fighters, so pay fighters what they are worth. They also tend to drop guys when they lose. That leaves known talent waiting to be signed. And UFC is making the sport of MMA popular, not just the UFC itself.

Can we agree on these points?

1. Kimbo did not look impressive on Saturday, despite winning.
2. Kimbo is not deserving of Main Event status. Undercard yes, but not Main Event.
3. Gary Shaw is over-paying him.

Yes, yes, and no. Was Kimbo exposed? Yes and no. He was exposed to the people who think Kimbo is an elite level fighter. He wasn't really exposed to people who know a fair bit of MMA cause he is who we thought he was. A brawler with fair power who has zero ground game. I was a bit surprised by his Nick Serra like lack of cardio since Bas is training him. I wonder if he lost a little of that muscle mass if it would help.

As for overpaying him, I think he is being paid for the fans he brings in. Let's face it, alot of people who have zero interest in MMA are interested in Kimbo. I actually had discussions at work with people about the fight that never watch UFC or any other type of MMA, just because they wanted to see the Kimbo fight. Hopefully, 1 out of every 3 or 4 of those people will become interested in MMA.

Kimbo will hopefully improve and actually be more than the young Tank Abbott he currently is. I'm still on the fence on Kimbo, but no longer have the hatred that you show, 1bad. You act like Kimbo raped your sister, dude. You're ranting over Kimbo. You are spending to much energy on someone you obviously hate so much. You aren't going to change the nuthugger's mind, so it seems to be an exercise in futility.

One thing that does bother me about what you posted and have posted before is that you throw the fact you train or teach MMA and other people don't,in people's face and that their opinion doesn't count as much (that is one long runon sentence). Watch Baseball Tonight or NBA Fastbreak and you will see alot of former atheletes who have no clue what they are talking about regardless of the fact they played. Alot of people know alot about MMA despite the fact they have never trained or fought. Asking for credentials has no real bearing on anything.

As for EliteXC losing a ton of money last year, they did aquire alot of other org. which requires money. I'd be more interested in their losses this year.

That's my .02

The whole point is basically whether he's good or not, rich or a bum , positive or negative, Kimbo is here to stay. There will be many who agree he is positive and side with him or say he's not positive and be his critic but what can agreed on is he's creating hype in MMA and is the talk of many discussions and attracting viewers to the sport or atleast EliteXC. They have potential but again they need more then just Kimbo to run the show or else they'll be in trouble. They have guys like Cung Le and Frank Shamrock but they need to focus on guys with good marketability or sign guys that left the UFC and are looking for a new window of opportunity, then they will truly compete with the UFC

One thing that does bother me about what you posted and have posted before is that you throw the fact you train or teach MMA and other people don't,in people's face and that their opinion doesn't count as much (that is one long runon sentence)

Well I was asked my credentials. And I disagreed with the statement that Kimbo looked good on the ground. I was pointing out I consider myself qualified to say that.

If I came off as arrogant, I apologize.

Well I was asked my credentials. And I disagreed with the statement that Kimbo looked good on the ground. I was pointing out I consider myself qualified to say that.

If I came off as arrogant, I apologize.

It just annoys me when you here people say that one has never professionally played or trained in a sport, so they don't have a valid opinion. You hear athletes say it all the time. It gets under my skin. No worries though.

People want to see Kimbo fight, so they pay money for tickets to see him in the main event no matter how unfair it is to more deserving and seasoned athletes.