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Spare Moody
05-31-2008, 02:23 PM
saw this article on Yahoo Sports this morning. pretty good read for people not too well versed in the sport:

John McCain once called mixed martial arts “human ****fighting.”
Indeed, he did. The Arizona senator and presumptive Republican presidential nominee gave MMA the label detractors have mouthed like trained parrots.

McCain helped the drive to push MMA off cable television around 1996. In other news from that year, the Yankees won the World Series. But here in 2008, the Red Sox are the reigning champions and likewise, McCain changed his tune. In fact, McCain recently told Britain’s Daily Telegraph, “The sport has grown up. The rules have been adopted to give its athletes better protections and to ensure fairer competition.”

MMA was once banned in nearly every state.
Actually, only one state, New York, enacted a mixed martial arts ban into law, a statute that remains on the books (hence why Saturday’s CBS show is across the river in Newark, N.J.). The difference is the UFC refuses to promote in places that don’t have a sanctioning athletic commission, an entirely separate matter from an outright ban.

Mixed martial arts was a rules-free freak show until the UFC’s current ownership came in and cleaned up the sport.

Current UFC owners Zuffa LLC bought the company in 2001, and deserve the bulk of the credit for making the sport a success in North America, which came after years of backbreaking work.

But the notion that casino magnate Ferttita brothers and UFC president Dana White cleaned up the rules is a fairy tale. Referees had the power to stop matches as early as UFC 3 in 1994; the first time limit was instituted not long after, and weight classes came into play by 1999.

In 2000, the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board instituted the current rules since adopted by most state athletic commissions, known in the business as the “unified rules.” UFC later took those regulations and pitched them to influential states like Nevada and California on the way to getting sanctioned in those states.

Mixed martial arts is a haven for white trash.
This is perhaps the most egregious stereotype of them all. If anything, one can make a convincing argument that the industry-leading UFC is among the most internationally diverse offerings on the American sporting scene.


Last Saturday’s UFC 84 featured fighters from the United States, Canada, Brazil, Japan, Korea, Cameroon, Great Britain and Croatia. The roster of UFC’s current champions features a native Brazilian (interim heavyweight champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira); an African-American (light heavyweight champion Quinton “Rampage” Jackson); an African-Brazilian (Anderson Silva); a French-Canadian (welterweight champ Georges St. Pierre) and a Pacific Islander (lightweight champ and full-blooded Hawaiian B.J. Penn).

MMA contributes to the level of violence in our culture.

The base components of MMA, like jiu-jitsu, judo, taekwondo, and Greco-Roman and freestyle wrestling, teach people discipline and respect. Women’s self-defense classes based on utilizing MMA techniques are popping up all over the country. This would seem to indicate self-empowerment, not reckless violence.

Both the U.S. military and police departments from coast to coast teach soldiers and police officers how to use mixed martial arts maneuvers for self-defense. If MMA is good enough for our nation’s peacekeepers, it should be good enough for the rest of us.

Mixed martial arts is inherently more dangerous than other contact sports.

In the 15 years since modern mixed martial arts came into being, one fighter, Sam Vasquez of Houston, has died as a result of injuries sustained in a sanctioned MMA fight.

Vasquez’s death was unfortunate, but society has always accepted the risk of catastrophic injury and death in high-profile sports. Rarely does a football season pass without a player being carted off the field with a severe spinal injury; an Arena Football player died in Los Angeles a few years back after a violent collision; and of course, it is rare a year goes by without a death in boxing.

Not enough proof? OK then, consider a 2006 study conducted by the Johns Hopkins Journal of Sports Science and Medicine “Incidence of Injury in Professional Mixed Martial Arts Competitions,” which found that while MMA competitors had slightly more minor injuries than boxers, MMA fighters had a far lower incidence of major injury and brain trauma. This year, the British Journal of Sports Medicine conducted a similar study and came to similar conclusions.

MMA is unskilled bar-fighting; while boxing is refined and genteel.

The glare coming off that pile of Olympic and world championship medals won by MMA practitioners in disciplines like Greco-Roman wrestling and judo should be enough to dispel the notion MMA doesn’t require skill.

Regardless, the wheezing “in my day” arguments from grey-haired boxing writers too set in their ways to learn anything new continue unabated. The mental gymnastics required to declare MMA “barbaric” while ignoring that boxing has a body count greater than every other contact sport combined make these sort of columns must-reads in their own perverse way.

In MMA, when a fight hits the ground, the referee is instructed to halt the match at the first sign the fighter on the defensive can no longer intelligently defend himself.

Boxing, on the other hand, features the standing eight count, in which a dazed pugilist who has been knocked to the mat has to immediately scramble to his feet, regardless of whether the cobwebs have cleared, and come right back out to potentially absorb more brain trauma from the person who just put him down.

Which sport is barbaric, again?

Mixed martial arts fans are bloodthirsty and just want to see people get knocked out.

Well, yeah, fight fans tend to get excited by knockouts, whether in MMA, boxing or kickboxing. Likewise, baseball fans tend to react louder to 500-foot home runs than they do to a well-executed bunt; and basketball fans get out of their seats for a thunderous dunk, not for the pick that cleared the lane so the dunk could occur.

If you watched a complete mixed martial arts card, instead of cherry-picking knockout clips, you’ll find that the average MMA fan is educated to nuances of the sport, and react as much to a subtle shift of position on the mat that creates an opening for a potential submission attempt as they do any other aspect of the game.

But of course, learning this requires research, something sorely lacking from the bulk of commentary slamming the sport.

Hey, this is America. You have the right to detest MMA if you wish. I can’t stand watching volleyball. But if I was assigned to cover it, I’d at least make an effort to get the basics of the sport correct rather than concoct a lazy rip job. Is it too much to ask the same for MMA?

Flawless
05-31-2008, 02:28 PM
MMA = White people who lost all hope in boxing

Flawless
05-31-2008, 02:30 PM
MMA is unskilled bar-fighting; while boxing is refined and genteel.

The glare coming off that pile of Olympic and world championship medals won by MMA practitioners in disciplines like Greco-Roman wrestling and judo should be enough to dispel the notion MMA doesn’t require skill.

Regardless, the wheezing “in my day” arguments from grey-haired boxing writers too set in their ways to learn anything new continue unabated. The mental gymnastics required to declare MMA “barbaric” while ignoring that boxing has a body count greater than every other contact sport combined make these sort of columns must-reads in their own perverse way.

In MMA, when a fight hits the ground, the referee is instructed to halt the match at the first sign the fighter on the defensive can no longer intelligently defend himself.

Boxing, on the other hand, features the standing eight count, in which a dazed pugilist who has been knocked to the mat has to immediately scramble to his feet, regardless of whether the cobwebs have cleared, and come right back out to potentially absorb more brain trauma from the person who just put him down.

Which sport is barbaric, again?



ummmmmmmmmmm. MMA

neils7147933
05-31-2008, 03:17 PM
ummmmmmmmmmm. MMA
Would you like to elaborate on your well-thought out point with more evidence as to why you have these feelings? Do you also realize that the person in your avatar once had a promotional contract with an MMA organization?

The article was well-written. Whenever people are exposed to something new, people act in different ways. Anyone with enough disdain for a sport to stalk its forum and troll every thread falls into an insecure group of folks that need routine and lack of change in their lives to be mentally stable. That lack of change can exist in people who hide from the outside world, such as people in a group home or in a prison.

YUHHHHHHH!
06-01-2008, 01:57 AM
Flawless just gets pissed whenever a black guy gets KO'd by a lighter skinned opponent. ='[

kaps
06-01-2008, 02:03 AM
Would you like to elaborate on your well-thought out point with more evidence as to why you have these feelings? Do you also realize that the person in your avatar once had a promotional contract with an MMA organization?

The article was well-written. Whenever people are exposed to something new, people act in different ways. Anyone with enough disdain for a sport to stalk its forum and troll every thread falls into an insecure group of folks that need routine and lack of change in their lives to be mentally stable. That lack of change can exist in people who hide from the outside world, such as people in a group home or in a prison.


Damn. :owned:

aussieboxer2320
06-01-2008, 06:11 AM
im pretty sure mma is just white americans who got pissed they are hopeless at boxing so they made a fad, the fad will pass and a new fad will emerge......america is the land of fads

Flawless
06-01-2008, 06:43 AM
im pretty sure mma is just white americans who got pissed they are hopeless at boxing so they made a fad, the fad will pass and a new fad will emerge......america is the land of fads

100% Agreed. I couldn't sum it up better. The next thing we will see Head butting competition after minorities take over MMA.

Malius
06-01-2008, 06:45 AM
Lol boxing only uses hands, where MMA uses pretty much all parts of the body to attack.

I watch both weekly and I enjoy MMA. One becuse the fights tend to be more exciting.

2nd im so bored of corruption, politics and scandals in boxing that if the fight goes to points its too damn predictable. Although some MMA's are abit dodgy. Speaking of ppl being dodgey, boxers continually dodge each other.

The reason MMA was not big before was "white americans" could make more money from big boxing fights with house hold names.

Now they can reach to a more world wide ordiance with MMA. Therefore it is getting bigger.

Either way I get best of both worlds.

Flawless
06-01-2008, 07:12 AM
Lol boxing only uses hands, where MMA uses pretty much all parts of the body to attack.

I watch both weekly and I enjoy MMA. One becuse the fights tend to be more exciting.

2nd im so bored of corruption, politics and scandals in boxing that if the fight goes to points its too damn predictable. Although some MMA's are abit dodgy. Speaking of ppl being dodgey, boxers continually dodge each other.

The reason MMA was not big before was "white americans" could make more money from big boxing fights with house hold names.

Now they can reach to a more world wide ordiance with MMA. Therefore it is getting bigger.

Either way I get best of both worlds.

To guys having gay sex on the floor of a cage is interesting.
MMA = White sport

MBL
06-01-2008, 08:24 AM
I used to be a huge fan of MMa
I gotta say that ive lost pretty much all interest in MMA these days

When GSP lost to Serra that pretty muched sumed up the sport, first to land wins
I lost most of my respect for MMA when Kimbo started headlining cards, that is a bad joke, nearly as bad as getting (Bruce) Buffer to do the ring announcing for UFC, I feel like im being treated like im a retard everytime I have to sit through a fight that Joe Rogan and mike goldberg commentate
Im always gonna love boxing though

Spare Moody
06-01-2008, 01:56 PM
100% Agreed. I couldn't sum it up better. The next thing we will see Head butting competition after minorities take over MMA.

interesting how you managed to skip over the one post that called you out and asked for a minor form of intellect. also interesting that head butting was banned over 10 years ago but, hey, i guess you'd hafta do research on the subject before you knew that....

feel free to copy/paste for your next reply:
me, chonga. me like boxing. me like boxing punch, punch. mma bad. mma white people. mma only in America. mma dummy dumb dumb. boxing good.

kaps
06-01-2008, 02:01 PM
LOL @ MMA being a white sport....

Flawless
06-01-2008, 07:42 PM
MMA = White sport. I am sorry to hurt your feelings.

Mickey Gomez
06-01-2008, 08:30 PM
The article is well written but most of the points he makes are opinion, he provides very little in the form of references.

I agree with most of what he is saying but points such as "MMA contributes to the level of violence in our culture." "MMA is unskilled bar-fighting; while boxing is refined and genteel." and "Mixed martial arts fans are bloodthirsty and just want to see people get knocked out." are not myths they are subjective opinion presented in reverse paradigm in order to address them.

He called the article 8 myths, but most of them are not myths at all.

vinnie7731
06-01-2008, 09:12 PM
MMA = White sport. I am sorry to hurt your feelings.

Wow, you've managed to sum it up in one sentence. We all agree with you as you can see. You have made so many great points here in the mma section. We can see you have done your research on everything you posted. Our feelings will get better over time. Now head back to the boxing forum where you are always welcome. Thanks.

Spare Moody
06-01-2008, 09:28 PM
I agree with most of what he is saying but points such as "MMA contributes to the level of violence in our culture." "MMA is unskilled bar-fighting; while boxing is refined and genteel." and "Mixed martial arts fans are bloodthirsty and just want to see people get knocked out." are not myths they are subjective opinion presented in reverse paradigm in order to address them.

He called the article 8 myths, but most of them are not myths at all.

well, true, he did put them in a reverse paradigm format before addressing them but that's how most people will adequately address issues of conflicting interest. one acknowledges the opponent's point of view so that both of you can be on the same page by the time he sets up his own stance.

he did call them 8 myths, said his opinion why they're not, you disagree, how so?



MMA = White sport. I am sorry to hurt your feelings.
i understand that people like to aimlessly use internet forums to gain a form of identity but the difference between you and them is that they're good at it. nobody's feelings are getting hurt but you do understand that, if it were up to you to represent boxing solely, that sport would be absolute ****.

j
06-01-2008, 10:53 PM
although i'm much more of a boxing fan, i really don't think mma should be banned in any kind of way. that is like taking a step back almost seeing as many outher countries pride themselves in having competetive fighting platforms. these are very old. countries like china, for example, always have televised martial art related events.

the US would be *****-fied even more if mma was banned. and i wonder if that would affect the venues us chinese martial artists use. that would ****ing suck.

and i don't know if mma contributes to violence in our culture, but it does somewhat contribute the the stupidity of people who think they are tough because they trained in thai boxing and bjj for a month or year.

kaps
06-02-2008, 12:13 AM
MMA comes from Brazil vale Tudo. UFC only has 1 White champion and he's french canadian.....

Malius
06-02-2008, 10:07 AM
To guys having gay sex on the floor of a cage is interesting.
MMA = White sport

I know I'm stealing old material. But two guys in silk shorts fighting over who gets a belt and a purse and MMA is gay??

And by the way flawless I said I enjoy both boxing and MMA, so obviously you don't read what other people write and make a reasonable argument. Obviously arguing with you is pointless so I hope u enjoy your life in your nice little cube.

MMA doe not contribute to violence in society. Bad parenting,education, unemployment and boredom contribute to violence? Not to mention people giving other ppl $50 to fight so they can post it on youtube.

Every human being will 90% of the time have a choice to either do violence to another or not. Everyone has the mental capacity to make their own decisions, so dont blame your **** on someone or something you have never met or talked to in your life.

YUHHHHHHH!
06-02-2008, 10:43 AM
MMA = White sport. I am sorry to hurt your feelings.

I'll knock you the **** out in boxing or MMA, and I'm not white.

the traveler
06-04-2008, 06:08 PM
MMA = White people who lost all hope in boxing

:owned: lol

Kakutogi-Gumi
06-04-2008, 07:08 PM
MMA comes from Brazil vale Tudo.

Japanese Catch tournaments.

First MMA organization was in '86.

Kakutogi-Gumi
06-04-2008, 07:12 PM
And why are boxing fans bring racial issues into the arguement?

Spare Moody
06-04-2008, 07:15 PM
actually ancient Greece held pankration bouts that can probably be considered the first form of MMA as a sport.

Flawless
06-04-2008, 09:08 PM
I'll knock you the **** out in boxing or MMA, and I'm not white.

Sorry. Keyboard warrior.

Samuel F.
06-04-2008, 09:15 PM
Great article. If Dana White can smarten up a little and be less of a douche, UFC(and in turn MMA as a whole) can become massive within a few years. The bigger the sport gets the more talent comes in, the younger the athletes start practising. MMA could be one of the largest sports in the world within a decade. If handled right. That could only help boxing imo.