View Full Version : Rickson comments on Fedor


Spare Moody
05-30-2008, 01:18 PM
now i'm not 100% on this because it came from the Wrestling Observer magazine and their articles aren't available online. but a lot of people are talking about it after reading the actual magazine and even the magazine's website says that he makes comments. supposedly, this is a portion of the article:

"Rickson Gracie was in Japan this week as his son, Kron, was in a BJJ tournament. He did an interview with Tokyo Sports and when they asked about Dreams’ idea of Kron (who has never done an MMA match) vs. Sakuraba, he said “No” and said that he would like to face Sakuraba. They also brought up Fedor Emelianenko, saying that Fedor was the successor to Rickson as the world’s greatest fighter. There is such a huge difference between the two as Rickson never faced anyone once people learned how to fight while Fedor fought tons of real competition. Rickson said that Emelianenko was a great athlete, but his technical ability was so-so. He said he saw his weaknesses, but wouldn't say what they were, but if they were to fight, he is 100% sure he would win. That's downright crazy, given he'd give up 35 pounds and is now 48 years old and hasn't even had a match in eight years."--Dave Meltzer, editor of the Wrestling Observer


i wouldn't doubt he said that. and i know for a fact that we'd never see this fight because Rickson would just demand a Mayweather paycheck.

kaps
05-30-2008, 01:35 PM
Meltzer is a reliable source. Rickson had delusions of grandure. I do believe he is the best Gracie at Jiu Jitsu based on testamony I've heard from other BJJ players, but his MMA game is lacking, Fedor would cave his skull in. How come Rickson never participates in NAGA or Abu Dhabi to showcase his skills?

kaps
05-30-2008, 01:35 PM
By the way, Rickson vs. Sakuraba needs to happen....

Spare Moody
05-30-2008, 01:38 PM
By the way, Rickson vs. Sakuraba needs to happen....

uh huh...
what's next? the Gracies stop making whiney excuses for every loss...

kaps
05-30-2008, 01:41 PM
It's win win with the Gracies. If they win. "Gracie Jiu Jitsu is the best Martial art in the world." If they lose, "It's only because the opponent knew Gracie Jiu Jitsu."

mrpain81
05-30-2008, 01:41 PM
Fedor would have killed Rickson.

Spare Moody
05-30-2008, 01:44 PM
It's win win with the Gracies. If they win. "Gracie Jiu Jitsu is the best Martial art in the world." If they lose, "It's only because the opponent knew Gracie Jiu Jitsu."

ROLMFAO!!!!

so true, so true!

kaps
05-30-2008, 01:47 PM
I don't know if the whining thing is striclty a Gracie thing either, alot of Brazillians whine after a loss. BTT was getting pretty famous for it there for a while. Upstanding****ingcitizens even had a funny picture of Arona with a pacifire in his mouth sayin "headbutt" after the Rampage fight...

Virgil Caine
05-30-2008, 02:15 PM
By the way, Rickson vs. Sakuraba needs to happen....
**** yeah it does.

Blair_Wells#32
05-30-2008, 02:47 PM
:nonono: how would Fedor Beat Rickson? from what i've seen of Fedor pretty much none of his fights were won on the feet, correct me if i'm wrong but thats what i've seen of him.
the majority of his fights were won off his back by armbar or choke.
and guess where Rickson likes the fight...yup on the ground an thats where the fight would end up, with Rickson pretty much being the best on the ground it would b a good fight(don't compare it 2 the Nog fight, 2 completely different ground games).
try and get past your gracie hate b4 u judge.
Rickson in his prime by armbar.
and yes i wouldn't mind seeing Rickson Vs Sakuraba as Ricksons last fight, i think it was a tatame article where i read he wants the fight 2 happen this year after sakuraba is done with the GP.

Spare Moody
05-30-2008, 02:48 PM
**** yeah it does.

by the time that happens they'll just be ramming their wheelchairs into eachother.

kaps
05-30-2008, 02:51 PM
:nonono: how would Fedor Beat Rickson? from what i've seen of Fedor pretty much none of his fights were won on the feet, correct me if i'm wrong but thats what i've seen of him.
the majority of his fights were won off his back by armbar or choke.
and guess where Rickson likes the fight...yup on the ground an thats where the fight would end up, with Rickson pretty much being the best on the ground it would b a good fight(don't compare it 2 the Nog fight, 2 completely different ground games).
try and get past your gracie hate b4 u judge.
Rickson in his prime by armbar.
and yes i wouldn't mind seeing Rickson Vs Sakuraba as Ricksons last fight, i think it was a tatame article where i read he wants the fight 2 happen this year after sakuraba is done with the GP.


I have no Gracie hate, I even named my snake Rickson. What I am saying is there is no proof Rickson is as good as he says he is. There is some testomony from other Jiu Jitsu guys that say he's great, and I'm sure he is. But there is a big difference from doing Jiu Jitsu and doing Jiu Jitsu while being punched in the face.....

kaps
05-30-2008, 02:53 PM
BTW, Fedor has dropped Iron Head Fugita, Gary Goodridge, and Mirko CroCop standing. Also that big black brazillian dude, can't remember his name....

Spare Moody
05-30-2008, 02:55 PM
:nonono: how would Fedor Beat Rickson? from what i've seen of Fedor pretty much none of his fights were won on the feet, correct me if i'm wrong but thats what i've seen of him.
the majority of his fights were won off his back by armbar or choke.
and guess where Rickson likes the fight...yup on the ground an thats where the fight would end up, with Rickson pretty much being the best on the ground it would b a good fight(don't compare it 2 the Nog fight, 2 completely different ground games).
try and get past your gracie hate b4 u judge.
Rickson in his prime by armbar.
and yes i wouldn't mind seeing Rickson Vs Sakuraba as Ricksons last fight, i think it was a tatame article where i read he wants the fight 2 happen this year after sakuraba is done with the GP.


why not compare it to the Nog fight? nog and rickson are roughly the same size so why wouldn't Fedor be able to through Rickson around like a rag doll too? sure Rickson may be more dangerous if he could sink in a submission but do you really think Fedor's strength would even give him the chance?

i see Fedor tossin Rickson across the ring everytime he goes in for a shoot. sure most of Fedor's wins are by submission and NO, i don't see him submitting Rickson but have you really seen Rickson eat a punch as hard as Fedor's either? if Rickson doesn't get knocked out cold then i guarantee the fight would go the distance with Rickson losing the decision. he would be attempting over and over again to take Fedor to the ground and Fedor wouldn't be stupid enough to stay there long enough for Rickson to do anything significant.

i'm wondering if Rickson's comments were regarding a BJJ only match cause he would get slaughtered if it were NHB.

Blair_Wells#32
05-30-2008, 03:30 PM
yes i believe 2 that Fedor would have 2 pull a Tim Sylviaesque type of performance 2 beat rickson by staying on the outside an jabbing.
i also see Rickson passing Fedors guard if by some chance it goes 2 the ground i would have been a great fight.
Rickson was a gold medalist in Sambo as well as a Freestyle Wrestling Champ so i wouldn't put it passed him being able 2 take Fedor down.
i've always believed in Technique over Strength and nobodies done that better then the Gracies.
and goin the distance would say more for Rickson then Fedor with Rickson at age 50 this comin fall/winter.

Virgil Caine
05-30-2008, 03:52 PM
Fedor is a great striker, you have to be to stand and trade with Mirko. Against Rickson, I think he'd keep it on the feet and dominate. It would be an interesting fight if Rickson was about 10-15 years younger, but now I don't see much point.

Also, one reason not to compare Nog. and Rickson is that the Nogs both have excellent boxing skills, definitely good enough to fight in pro boxing.

Spare Moody
05-30-2008, 04:02 PM
yes i believe 2 that Fedor would have 2 pull a Tim Sylviaesque type of performance 2 beat rickson by staying on the outside an jabbing.
i also see Rickson passing Fedors guard if by some chance it goes 2 the ground i would have been a great fight.
Rickson was a gold medalist in Sambo as well as a Freestyle Wrestling Champ so i wouldn't put it passed him being able 2 take Fedor down.
i've always believed in Technique over Strength and nobodies done that better then the Gracies.
and goin the distance would say more for Rickson then Fedor with Rickson at age 50 this comin fall/winter.

i do agree that Rickson would take down Fedor occassionally but probably only 1 out of 4 attempts. as i said earlier, Fedor wouldn't stay on the ground long. the Gracies have demonstrated technique over strength but this hasn't been done efficiently in the last 10 years because most fighters are now able to counter the first few BJJ setups. before, a Gracie would set them up and the fighter would instantly revert to their strength or other natural fighting tactic because they had no clue of the trap they were walking into.

if Rickson could go the distance with Fedor the judges aren't gonna favor him because of his age. it may say a lot for him but he would still lose the decision.

boxingscenefan1
05-30-2008, 08:08 PM
It's win win with the Gracies. If they win. "Gracie Jiu Jitsu is the best Martial art in the world." If they lose, "It's only because the opponent knew Gracie Jiu Jitsu."

That's what they said after the Hughes/Royce fight.

Palma
05-31-2008, 03:24 AM
Meltzer is a reliable source. Rickson had delusions of grandure. I do believe he is the best Gracie at Jiu Jitsu based on testamony I've heard from other BJJ players, but his MMA game is lacking, Fedor would cave his skull in. How come Rickson never participates in NAGA or Abu Dhabi to showcase his skills?

100% agree with this post!!

Blair_Wells#32
06-01-2008, 01:02 AM
ricksons son passed away u fucin prick!!!!
sorrry had 2 b an ass but yah. how would u feel if your kid passed away on ya.

pesticid
06-01-2008, 01:08 AM
i do agree that Rickson would take down Fedor occassionally but probably only 1 out of 4 attempts. as i said earlier, Fedor wouldn't stay on the ground long. the Gracies have demonstrated technique over strength but this hasn't been done efficiently in the last 10 years because most fighters are now able to counter the first few BJJ setups. before, a Gracie would set them up and the fighter would instantly revert to their strength or other natural fighting tactic because they had no clue of the trap they were walking into.

if Rickson could go the distance with Fedor the judges aren't gonna favor him because of his age. it may say a lot for him but he would still lose the decision.

Who has skills to fight in pro-boxing? If they did, they would have, would've made much more money, no?

kaps
06-01-2008, 02:58 AM
ricksons son passed away u fucin prick!!!!
sorrry had 2 b an ass but yah. how would u feel if your kid passed away on ya.

Who has skills to fight in pro-boxing? If they did, they would have, would've made much more money, no?


I have no idea what either of these comments have to do with anything being discussed on this thread....