Its becoming more and more common that I see threads with titles like "Which of these gloves is the best" and "How do I shoulder roll life pbf?".

Alot of the people that post questions like these are inexperienced boxers with not much natural talent, the most important part of boxing and often the most neglected by forum posters is: The Basics.

You do not need to shoulder roll if you cant slip a punch effectively and you sure as hell dont need $200 dollar gloves if you cant throw a proper punch.

Constant training, running for fitness, sparring and a love of the sport are all the things a boxer needs to be successful. Some old 16oz gloves for Bagwork and sparring, some sneakers, a mouth guard and possibly headgear are all you need when you just start out. Ive seen videos of terrible boxers who ask what is the best boxing shoe for them, the $200 or the $250 pair.

So get a trainer, get training and above all, practice the basics.

P.S I have read alot of posts by Punch Drunk and Potatoes and these are the people you should be listening to. Remember most of the people on this forum have never thrown a punch in anger and are just harping on about what they have heard elsewhere. Punch Drunk and Potatoes have a no bull****, hard work attitude that is the only secret to true success in boxing.

Ha. Even the pros went through basics. Pros aren't born pros.. they're made pros!

Exactly, some of the best Amateurs mostly just throw straight punches. For now Novice boxers should work on:

A good jab

Good footwork (always balanced)

Straight, quick punches

Fitness

Blocking Punches

These are all the tools a novice needs, if he masters these he will master his opponent. Once you get a little more experience then try some philly shell, shoulder roll moves but only if you are prepared to get hit alot.

While i agree with you about learning the basics before trying to to flashy stuff, i think you are a complete moron for assuming that people that ask for advice on equipments automatically suck. If newcommers would listen to you they would end up hitting a potato pouch full of sand with cheap 16 oz simili leather everlast gloves filled with pillow stuffing.

The gear you train with has nothing to do with your skills, yes. But if you don't use the right gear you will end up injuring yourself.

Wow this thread is alot of ****e. Fact is, if even the best can't turn around and ask "am I throwing this right?" to somewhere he is never going to progress. I do keep thinking that some posters here are non-boxing boxing fans, I always think people who tend to endlessly repeat Tyson's ways. But yeah you're prob' right alot of us are prob' quite new to the sport, I know I am. Either way, if some guy who's only been doing it a year can throw a mean left hook and i'm having trouble, i'm fine to ask. Even if some guy can't throw ****, is the ****test boxer in the world but has the knowledge, knows how to do the stuff and knows how to write it down for me, i'm happy with it.

As for equipment, what you're saying is stupid. People like to ask other people about stuff they're about to invest in. Nobody wants to spent even £15, let alot £50 on something **** so why not ask? No ****ing way will I ever be disuaded and afraid to start a thread saying "are these gloves reasonable?" by some guy who thinks it means i'm crap to ask. I 100% agree that is' pointless spending £100 on gloves if you're new to the sport. If you check my cupboard it goes:

£16 Everlast bag mitts - basic ones found in a SportsShop.
£3 Lonsdale Handwraps - now spare, was instructed to buy new ones as these are cheap and known to be crap (which they are).
£6 Blitz handwraps - bought from my gym.
£30 Lonsdale sparring gloves - wanted heavier gloves for bag work and to get comfortable in 14 oz.

So I 100% agree that it's stupid when people are like "i'm thinking about taking up boxing, what do you think of these;" and then list everything from a gumshield to proper ****ing gloves to bloody groinguards. When I started boxing I had spent what, £19, I had mitts and wraps. But, how the hell does it harm you if some guy spends £100 on gloves and then is stupid enough to rip them to shreads on the bag in a few months?

The cunt who made this thread know nutting about boxing!

why are you kissing PD's nut sack....???? you are the one who is pathetic......

The cunt who made this thread know nutting about boxing!
No your a cunt! The person who made this thread is right. Please explain how he is a cunt.

No your a cunt! The person who made this thread is right. Please explain how he is a cunt.

Bite me......

This thread is great...

I totally agree with everything. It cracks me up when a kid who walks in the gym for the first time has new boxing shoes already. I say anyone who has boxing shoes that cannot whoop some ass is a TARGET!

I have a white pair of sneaks I paid 30 bucks for that are now grey cause of sweat..LOL

You can be as fit a a fiddle and run a marathon but it don't mean **** if you aint got the skillz to go with it.

Jeez... everyone taking it to extremes.....

I agree..... some guys sweat equipment too much. New winning gear, the Tygun Boots.... all before they can throw a proper jab.

But it is neccesary to have proper equipment.... and contrary to danny stash's comments, i dont think you need to be whooping everyones ass before you get a pair of boxing shoes. But once you are sparring they are much easier on the feet in the ring and protect from rolling your ankle.

But if you come in decked out in all nice gear... winning gloves, adidas boots that look like a strippers thigh high leather boots... someone probly will try hitting you hard in sparring if you make it that far.

I completely agree with the shoulder roll comments ect..... a great point i heard my trainer tell someone is... if you want to be a good amateur competitor watch amateur boxing not pro! go to the local shows, GG ect.... know who is around and who your oponents may be. If your fighting in an open class you should have seen everyone local that you could be fighting! that should be watched over floyd, old tyson vids ect....

The main focus should be training, and listening to your trainer. You should soend the money on a good trainer before expensive gear.

(sparring gear is a must though, unless you enjoy ringworm, impetago, and Staph)

People should be focused on training and nutrition ahead of everything else.

Best reply so far. Right on the money!

U dont NEED natural talent for boxing AT ALL! - it helps though nonetheless tho.
U just need to be a good learner who can pick up on teachings easily and effectively. and have committment, self discipline, desire and focus.

u just need personality qualities relevant to the sport really not natural talent in the sport.

So if someone asks a question on here that seems a bit dumb to u, to them they really want to kno and really want to improve their game (unless its advise on gear) which rules under commitment and a hunger for the game for me. So thats one point i disagree with, the rubbishin of people askin basics.

Jeez... everyone taking it to extremes.....

I agree..... some guys sweat equipment too much. New winning gear, the Tygun Boots.... all before they can throw a proper jab.

But it is neccesary to have proper equipment.... and contrary to danny stash's comments, i dont think you need to be whooping everyones ass before you get a pair of boxing shoes. But once you are sparring they are much easier on the feet in the ring and protect from rolling your ankle.

But if you come in decked out in all nice gear... winning gloves, adidas boots that look like a strippers thigh high leather boots... someone probly will try hitting you hard in sparring if you make it that far.

I completely agree with the shoulder roll comments ect..... a great point i heard my trainer tell someone is... if you want to be a good amateur competitor watch amateur boxing not pro! go to the local shows, GG ect.... know who is around and who your oponents may be. If your fighting in an open class you should have seen everyone local that you could be fighting! that should be watched over floyd, old tyson vids ect....

The main focus should be training, and listening to your trainer. You should soend the money on a good trainer before expensive gear.

(sparring gear is a must though, unless you enjoy ringworm, impetago, and Staph)

People should be focused on training and nutrition ahead of everything else.
ok...I am with ya.

I also will add however that a 20 dollar pr of wrestling shoes could be just as effective.

u also dont need lardydarrr equipment that costs ur a bomb ... so thats 1 point i do agree with

U dont NEED natural talent for boxing AT ALL! - it helps though nonetheless tho.
U just need to be a good learner who can pick up on teachings easily and effectively. and have committment, self discipline, desire and focus.

u just need personality qualities relevant to the sport really not natural talent in the sport.
How many guys at the top dont have natural ability though. Their are so many people associated with any sport and to compete at the best level it MUST be a combination of training, dedication and natural talent. Give me a guy with 2 left feet and no coordination training for a year and a guy who can dance and has some natural power and skills for two months and the latter will whoop some ass...

How many guys at the top dont have natural ability though. Their are so many people associated with any sport and to compete at the best level it MUST be a combination of training, dedication and natural talent. Give me a guy with 2 left feet and no coordination training for a year and a guy who can dance and has some natural power and skills for two months and the latter will whoop some ass...

TYE FeILDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boxing:

Good point, hard to reply to.

But i just think any dedicated n serious boxer has natural talent after all humans are still animal and an male animal instinct is to kill or attack. If u have a strong burning desire to succeed and perform at the highest level that u can without lettin the ego get to u and remain focus and if u train hard and evaluate ur work n constantly improve and work on weaknesses etc i think natural talent/power can shine in anyone. So yeah in a way ur right and at the same time im not wrong either.

Good point, hard to reply to.

But i just think any dedicated n serious boxer has natural talent after all humans are still animal and an male animal instinct is to kill or attack. If u have a strong burning desire to succeed and perform at the highest level that u can without lettin the ego get to u and remain focus and if u train hard and evaluate ur work n constantly improve and work on weaknesses etc i think natural talent/power can shine in anyone. So yeah in a way ur right and at the same time im not wrong either.

boxing isn't fighting, for mma you don't need talent but boxing is all talent.
I have seen guys training for years very hard and they still have no footwork, timing, reflexes or speed.

"I also will add however that a 20 dollar pr of wrestling shoes could be just as effective."

I have the $20 title shoes lol...... i do agree there, no need for $165 adidas combat boots.

"boxing isn't fighting, for mma you don't need talent but boxing is all talent.
I have seen guys training for years very hard and they still have no footwork, timing, reflexes or speed."


I agree and disagree.

The MMA comparison is a very bad comparison. MMA is a young sport so people at this stage i the game start training very late compared to other sports. As it grows in popularity the talent pool will grow.... and many of the guys lacking natural ability will be weeded out, and it will be based on natural ability.

As for boxing the talent pool is DEEP. How many people in the world box? Millions? out of those million who is going to rise to the top? THOSE WITH INSANE NATURAL ABILITY. Those without it will be washed out. It is too competitive for someone lacking ability to do so.

Some may say "so and so" had no natural ability! Not true. Most likely if he was in your gym he'd be a god. Making the best look like day 1. Its just his competition had more natural ability, or the same but worked harder.

boxing isn't fighting, for mma you don't need talent but boxing is all talent.
I have seen guys training for years very hard and they still have no footwork, timing, reflexes or speed.


boxing is fightin. Bit more technical yeah, but ur still punching some dude in the head!
And i did say u do need to work at it if u havent got immediate natural talent. Which is true. U can develop talent and it comes down to u as a person whether u r dedicated and how hard u train and whether u can see ur weaknesses and act on them.

I agree that having fancy shoes and custom shorts when you first walk in the gym is going a little bit overboard.

On the other hand, I'm a big guy with kinda small hands.
If i don't have good gloves, I'll bruise a knuckle.
I've done the knuckle pushups, bareknuckle rounds on a duct taped bag, heck even iron palm training.
Truth of the matter is, once you get good form and are really hitting hard, you need knuckle protection.

Same thing goes for sparring gloves- you don't protect your partner, he's gonna end up KO'd or a bloody mess (which a lot of guys actually do intentionally).

Not all gloves protect equally.
Not all gloves fit the same either.
So worrying about which gloves to get makes sense to me.

I've never found a pair of small bag gloves that haven't caused me to bruise a knuckle and i can't remember any that made a nice fist.

Reyes gloves are awesome, but they don't have a good level of padding and they don't fit me at all.

Grant super bag gloves fit me the best, but they are also lacking in the padding department. Their training gloves are a little better padded, but don't fit nicely.

Everlast gloves from the sporting store are actual cr@p for sparring and anyone who says different has no regard for their sparring partners. Their pro line isn't too bad.

Ringside's got some good stuff. I love their IMF Tech training gloves and my buddy's got a pair of 10oz competition gloves that are foam filled - they fit AWESOME and are surprisingly easy on the knuckles.

Ultimate classics are good for super bag gloves; i can't stand their training gloves though.

Title's got some good stuff - their padding's very resilient, but i don't like the fit.

"boxing isn't fighting, for mma you don't need talent but boxing is all talent.
I have seen guys training for years very hard and they still have no footwork, timing, reflexes or speed."


I agree and disagree.

The MMA comparison is a very bad comparison. MMA is a young sport so people at this stage i the game start training very late compared to other sports. As it grows in popularity the talent pool will grow.... and many of the guys lacking natural ability will be weeded out, and it will be based on natural ability.


Well there's the rub... MMA has so many different aspects that unless your "natural talent" is to pick things up very quickly, then I don't see it carrying you THAT far.
Some naturally talented boxers don't have the natural athletic talent to be good wrestlers or muay thai guys. Some wrestlers are actually terrible at submissions.
Each aspect requires a completely different mindset and tools. Look at Fedor Emelianeko. He's quicker than some of the monsters of the heavyweight division but maybe not the quickest, he's got power - but not the most powerful, he's just got a very good brain for the sport. He's good at picking out a gameplan and adapting when something's not working.

I think athletic ability tends to be overrated to tell you the truth.

Some of you guys are taking this the wrong way. Saftey comes first in boxing, a Pair of 16oz and wraps are all you need if your hitting a bag. As a person who just sprained my wrist on a guys face because i forgot my wraps i strongly advise wrapping them EVERY time.

The cunt who made this thread know nutting about boxing!

Whatever man...There is no need for name calling. How are those Adidas tryguns?

They getting a good workout why you sit at your computer and spill cheetoes all over them? I bet that you have never had a fight, i bet that your one of those guys who walks around with an Everlast shirt on and shadowboxes in public.

Or maybe you have taken 1 too many punches to the head, because the impression i get from that post is that you may be ever so slightly retarded.:kiss:

boxing is fightin. Bit more technical yeah, but ur still punching some dude in the head!
And i did say u do need to work at it if u havent got immediate natural talent. Which is true. U can develop talent and it comes down to u as a person whether u r dedicated and how hard u train and whether u can see ur weaknesses and act on them.

boxing is boxing ......

this is fighting

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