View Full Version : Next Heavyweight Superstar


INFAMOUZ
10-29-2004, 10:29 PM
Seems like we are overdue for a Heavyweight superstar to come on the scene. The time is ripe for some new badarse to clean out the division. The 60s/70s had Ali, the latter 70s/80s had Holmes, Late 80s/90s had Tyson, 90s and new millenium had Lewis and Holyfield cleaning up the scraps.

The next HW superstar is going to suffer from the Holmes Syndrome. Someone will come along in the next couple of years and wipe out what's left of the weak division and never have one big name in his prime to seal his legacy. Even if someone sprang up tomorrow and went through the Klit's, Toney, Ruiz, Byrd etc, he still wouldn't warrant much repsect, no matter if he was the second coming of Ali or Tyson.

The Fix
10-29-2004, 10:48 PM
as long as someone comes soon i dont care heavys need help

Neuraxis
10-29-2004, 11:01 PM
No no and no. Its going to be 5+ years before the next heavyweight comes along. Neither of you could even come up with a single name for this thread:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1286

FistoftheDallasStar
10-30-2004, 12:48 AM
But that's the great thing about boxing. He's out there somewhere but not noticable enough to name just yet.

ChrististheAnswer
10-30-2004, 02:17 AM
It maybe Roman Greenburg or Alexander Dimentrieko. There both young,undefeated,and stepping up the competition.

leff
10-30-2004, 05:45 AM
Id go fore Dimitrenko.
Ore another man from the former cccp.

dempseyfire
10-30-2004, 11:10 AM
It could be 10 years before we have a 'dominant' champ. HW boxing has gone downhill so much, it wouldn't surprise me if more light HWs and cruisers move up and become the top players. If Wayne Braithwaite moves up, he'd get my vote for having the best shot. Dimentrenko is not very imppressive-he's a less skilled, softer hitting version of Wlad. Ruslan Chagaev is the best Eastern prospect currently, and while I see him picking up at least a HW belt, he doesn't strike me as someone who'd be dominant.

neils7147933
10-30-2004, 11:38 AM
It could be 10 years before we have a 'dominant' champ. HW boxing has gone downhill so much, it wouldn't surprise me if more light HWs and cruisers move up and become the top players. If Wayne Braithwaite moves up, he'd get my vote for having the best shot. Dimentrenko is not very imppressive-he's a less skilled, softer hitting version of Wlad. Ruslan Chagaev is the best Eastern prospect currently, and while I see him picking up at least a HW belt, he doesn't strike me as someone who'd be dominant.

Braithwaite needs to fight Kelvin Davis and Jean-Marc Mormeck at cruiser. I'd rather see him fight Tarver than go up to heavy.

Soundtraveler
10-30-2004, 02:54 PM
I just met Dominique Guinn again a few weeks ago, and I must say, I really like the guy. I actually had him on a card I announced a year or two ago and he looked good then.

But since then he has really punished a pretty good fighter in Michael Grant. He has done well for himself and stayed undefeated so far I believe, I like his chances at being something special in the division.

reyes32
10-30-2004, 04:12 PM
If Monte Barrett or Vassily Jirov were given the opportunity that other fighters have been given such as tua,Vitaly and Wladimar to showcase their talents against top ten opponent they could beat the majority of the so-called top fighers.

Neuraxis
10-30-2004, 05:37 PM
If Monte Barrett or Vassily Jirov were given the opportunity that other fighters have been given such as tua,Vitaly and Wladimar to showcase their talents against top ten opponent they could beat the majority of the so-called top fighers.

Apparently you are forgetting these fights, though the first wasn't at heavyweight.

http://images.km.ru/images/sport/Jirov_toney_knockdown300.jpg

http://www.ufc*********.com/mandalaybay/thumbnails/FN%2014%20-%20Mesi%20d10%20over%20Jirov.jpg

http://www.ufovideo.net/KlitschkoxKOBarrett721.jpg

kevvy1979
10-30-2004, 05:50 PM
Its Ike in 2005 ;)

Neuraxis
10-30-2004, 05:51 PM
Its Ike in 2005 ;)

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one if I were you.

kevvy1979
10-30-2004, 05:55 PM
Ok Ike in 2006 ,is that better.

Neuraxis
10-30-2004, 06:01 PM
No, as far as I know he isn't eligible for parole again until Dec 2007.

kevvy1979
10-30-2004, 06:05 PM
Do you have a link about his parole?

vB Martin
10-30-2004, 06:33 PM
I just met Dominique Guinn again a few weeks ago, and I must say, I really like the guy. I actually had him on a card I announced a year or two ago and he looked good then.

But since then he has really punished a pretty good fighter in Michael Grant. He has done well for himself and stayed undefeated so far I believe, I like his chances at being something special in the division.Dominic Guinn is not undefeated. He lost to Monte Barret. Pretty badly, too. The only judge who had him ahead was a fellow Arkansan.

I would like to see Guinn emerge, too, but he really showed his lack of skills and/or experince against Barrett. He even has a split decision against a fighter with a 41% win record at the time. I had to look it up because I couldn't remember the fighter's record, but i knew it was poor. The fighter Garing Lane (http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001682) has a 1-8 record since that fight and was almost 40 and FAT at the time (5'10", 285 lbs). He apparently weighed in over 300 in his last 2 fights.

Guinn has possibilities, but there's a lot left to prove.

Neuraxis
10-30-2004, 06:57 PM
Do you have a link about his parole?

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/m/News2_082404.htm

Neuraxis
10-30-2004, 07:00 PM
Dominic Guinn is not undefeated. He lost to Monte Barret. Pretty badly, too. The only judge who had him ahead was a fellow Arkansan.

I would like to see Guinn emerge, too, but he really showed his lack of skills and/or experince against Barrett. He even has a split decision against a fighter with a 41% win record at the time. I had to look it up because I couldn't remember the fighter's record, but i knew it was poor. The fighter [url=http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001682]Garing Lane has a 1-8 record since that fight and was almost 40 and FAT at the time (5'10", 285 lbs). He apparently weighed in over 300 in his last 2 fights.

Guinn has possibilities, but there's a lot left to prove.

I also had Grant winning a few too many rounds against Guinn as well. And you forgot to mention Garing Lane's record, Guinn SD win. His record at the time was 21-29-2, but now its 22-38-2.

MetalVomit
10-30-2004, 07:23 PM
I also had Grant winning a few too many rounds against Guinn as well. And you forgot to mention Garing Lane's record, Guinn SD win. His record at the time was 21-29-2, but now its 22-38-2.


Guinn is a nice guy, but nothing special

vB Martin
10-30-2004, 07:43 PM
I also had Grant winning a few too many rounds against Guinn as well. And you forgot to mention Garing Lane's record, Guinn SD win. His record at the time was 21-29-2, but now its 22-38-2.
I did mention his record.

Soundtraveler
10-30-2004, 09:00 PM
Thank you, VB Martin, I wasn't too sure about him being undefeated at present as I didn't look it up, and I didn't ask him. He remains someone who I hope to see do well for himself in the division, he really is a nice kid. He does have some skills...

Neuraxis
10-30-2004, 09:37 PM
I did mention his record.

Don't trust the liberal media. I don't see that you did besides 1-8.

realheavyhands
10-31-2004, 12:39 PM
it aint samuel peter... i would say braithwaite but he aint a 200 pound cruiser he a 190 pound cruiser..