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Blair_Wells#32
05-27-2008, 02:52 PM
from mmamania.com

B.J. Penn — $250,000 ($125,000 to show, $125,000 to win)
Sean Sherk — $35,000
Penn defeated Sherk via technical knockout (strikes) in round three

Wanderlei Silva — $150,000
Keith Jardine — $10,000
Silva defeated Jardine via knockout in round one

Lyoto Machida — $100,000 ($50,000 to show, $50,000 to win)
Tito Ortiz — $210,000
Machida defeated Ortiz via unanimous decision

Thiago Silva — $50,000 ($25,000 to show, $25,000 to win)
Antonio Mendes — $4,000
Silva defeated Mendes via submission (strikes) in round one

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou — $80,000 ($40,000 to show, $40,000 to win)
Kazuhiro Nakamura — $20,000
Sokoudjou defeated Nakamura via technical knockout (strikes) in round one

Rousimar Palhares — $10,000 ($5,000 to show, $5,000 to win)
Ivan Salaverry — $20,000
Palhares defeated Salaverry via submission (armbar) in round one

Goran Reljic — $6,000 ($3,000 to show, $3,000 to win)
Wilson Gouveia — $18,000
Reljic defeated Gouveia via technical knockout (strikes) round two

Yoshiyuki Yoshida — $12,000 ($6,000 to show, $6,000 to win)
Jon Koppenhaver — $8,000
Yoshida defeated Koppenhaver via submission (anaconda choke) in round one

Dong Hyun Kim — $40,000 ($20,000 to show, $20,000 to win)
Jason Tan — $3,000
Kim defeats Tan via technical knockout (strikes) in round three

Rich Clementi — $40,000 ($20,000 to show, $20,000 to win)
Terry Etim — $10,000
Clementi defeated Etim via unanimous decision decision

Shane Carwin — $12,000 ($6,000 to show, $6,000 to win)
Christian Wellisch — $10,000
Carwin defeated Wellisch via knockout in round one

Keep in mind the salaries listed above do not include fight bonuses, sponsorships, percentages and other unofficial payments. It also does not include deductions for expenses such as insurance, taxes, etc.

For example, the UFC often hands out extra cash for “Fight of the Night,” “Knockout of the Night” and “Submission of the Night.” To check out these figures for UFC 84 go here.

The total base fighter payroll for UFC 84 was $1.098 million.

THE REED™
05-27-2008, 02:54 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Floyd could pay 25 UFC payrolls with one fight

Cuauhtémoc1520
05-27-2008, 02:56 PM
Those numbers are very sad, no wonder the fighters are pissed at Dana White.

th4l3pr3ch4un
05-27-2008, 03:09 PM
sean sherk only got payed 35k for that fight???? Unbelievable.

Dorian
05-27-2008, 03:39 PM
Keith Jardine ***8212; $10,000
WTF!!!

Blair_Wells#32
05-27-2008, 03:53 PM
i think jardine is still under his tuf contract.

mrpain81
05-27-2008, 04:21 PM
UFC = U Fight Cheap

I bet Dana made atleast 5 million

1bad65
05-27-2008, 04:49 PM
sean sherk only got payed 35k for that fight???? Unbelievable.

Considering he is coming off a steroid suspension, it makes sense.

vinnie7731
05-27-2008, 09:27 PM
jardine is getting robbed....i dnt care what anyone is saying. the guy is ranked in the top ten....regardless of wheather or not he belongs there....to pay him only 10k.....is cheap

pesticid
05-27-2008, 09:31 PM
That's pretty bad but somepeople keep talking about those bonuses like they are actually bigger than the fighters' pay. That's weak!

BigPenis69
05-27-2008, 10:51 PM
Heard Elite XC pays their fighters a lot better than Dana's ***** ass.

Kakutogi-Gumi
05-27-2008, 11:29 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Floyd could pay 25 UFC payrolls with one fight

That's pretty bad but somepeople keep talking about those bonuses like they are actually bigger than the fighters' pay. That's weak!

Keep in mind, there's a lot of "under the counter" monies going down. Bonuses (75K this time) and Sponsorship (if Dana likes them) also factors in.

So it could look like 10K on paper, but in reality it could be 50 to 60K with a complete total of possible a quarter of a mill or more.

Stupid I know, but that's how it is.

Point Blank
05-28-2008, 12:16 AM
what the ****. mma wont last with that kind of paycheck. damn LOL. boxing sparring partners gets paid more than that. hahahahaha!!! ouch ufc ouch!!! wtf. a not so popular boxer gets more than that. LOL

Dice
05-28-2008, 02:46 AM
you guys do realize that thr average boxer makes about 600-1,000 a fight, and most upper tier boxers, even champions, get about in the low 5 figures, for example: Juan Manuel Marquez getting 30k to fight Chris John, boxing is only a gravy train for 5***37; of the boxers.

mrpain81
05-28-2008, 03:52 AM
you guys do realize that thr average boxer makes about 600-1,000 a fight, and most upper tier boxers, even champions, get about in the low 5 figures, for example: Juan Manuel Marquez getting 30k to fight Chris John, boxing is only a gravy train for 5% of the boxers.

These aren't average MMA fighters, these are the superstars fighting in the top MMA org out there. Why even bring up JMM making peanuts against Chris John? You say that like every other fighter big name fighters are making chicken feed.

Ponce de Leon made about 300k in his fight on the under card of Mayweather vs Hatton.

Williams’ purse was $900,000 and Quintana made $159,000

Berto pocketed $189,940 and Trabant’s purse was $108, 632.

When you consider how much money the UFC makes on the PPV's and the crap they pay out, it's easy to see why so many fighters are complaining about Pay.

Palma
05-28-2008, 04:50 AM
No comment! UFC fighters are :owned:

Mech.
05-28-2008, 05:45 AM
UFC = U Fight Cheap

I bet Dana made atleast 5 million

lolz............

Tuggers1986
05-28-2008, 06:30 AM
Tito Ortiz got paid more then aybody else and the guy got beat!! haha.

Some of these guys are getting robbed.

TRAVI$
05-28-2008, 08:43 AM
Dana White.. what a cunt
Those guys are risking their health and getting **** all cash for it

mrpain81
05-28-2008, 11:02 AM
The UFC's pay scale has been in the news again lately as part of the Tito Ortiz-Dana White feud. At the UFC 84 post-fight press conference Ortiz went so far as to say that "fighters are treated like slaves" by the UFC. MMAPayout.com has compiled the total disclosed payrolls from the last five UFC events for which payroll figures were made public as well as estimates of the gross revenue (pay-per-view plus live gate) generated by each event:

EVENT PAYROLL REVENUE FIGHTERS' SHARE

UFC 76----- $1,074,00----- $11,388,125----- 9.4%

UFC 77----- $812,000----- $8,991,875----- 9.0%

UFC 79----- $1,399,000----- $16,885,000----- 8.3%

UFC 81----- $1,132,000----- $15,885,000----- 7.1%

UFC 82----- $1,112,000----- $9,504,375------ 11.7%

TOTAL----- $5,529,000------ $62,654,375------ 11.3%






NOTE: Gross revenue estimates are based on reported live gates and preliminary buy rates (assuming a 50/50 split of pay-per-view revenue between Zuffa and cable and satellite operators). Payroll figures are based on officially reported payouts as well as disclosed bonuses.

The most immediate qualifier that must be offered concerning these figures is that the UFC regularly pays substantial undisclosed bonuses in the form of contractually specified pay-per-view bonuses and discretionary performance bonuses. Some of the contracts for the company's top stars also reportedly include downside guarantees that significantly exceed their disclosed payouts.

However, it is also important to consider the other revenue streams not included in the above revenue estimates, including: closed circuit television, DVDs, video games, television rights fees, sponsorships, advertising, on-demand new media purchases, and other merchandising. Many of these revenue sources rely on the infamous ancillary rights clause found in the company's standard contract. Per the clause, fighters essentially sign away the rights to their likeness and are not entitled to any compensation when it is used. The clause has been a source of contention in the company's disputes with Randy Couture and Ortiz.

As a rough comparison to boxing, last year's HBO Boxing event featuring Oscar De La Hoya v. Floyd Mayweather produced $165 million in total gross revenue. De La Hoya and Mayweather combined to take home $73 million for 44.2% of the gross revenue generated. However, it should be noted that De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions was also the promoter of the event.

For the sake of comparison, in a testament to the power of collective bargaining, the percentage share of gross revenue player's receive in other major sports: 59% in the NFL, 57% in the NBA, 55.6% in the NHL, and 53% in MLB.

Ortiz has indicated that he believes that 30-40% of gross revenues for fighters would be fair.

http://www.mmapayout.com/2008/05/underpaid-revenue-sharing-in-ufc.html

Virgil Caine
05-28-2008, 03:10 PM
Its almost like they're treating their biz as a racket, to be milked for all it's worth and then dissolved.

Dice
05-28-2008, 07:21 PM
These aren't average MMA fighters, these are the superstars fighting in the top MMA org out there. Why even bring up JMM making peanuts against Chris John? You say that like every other fighter big name fighters are making chicken feed.

Ponce de Leon made about 300k in his fight on the under card of Mayweather vs Hatton.

Williams’ purse was $900,000 and Quintana made $159,000

Berto pocketed $189,940 and Trabant’s purse was $108, 632.

When you consider how much money the UFC makes on the PPV's and the crap they pay out, it's easy to see why so many fighters are complaining about Pay.

Why not bring up JMM fighting John for peanuts, heres a champion who just came off a great match with Pacquiao and hes only gettin paid 30k for the next fight.

All thoses purses you bought up, relized that everyone of them MUST PAY THIRTY THREE PERCENT to their promoter, so thats a third gone, then theres the tax, which is usually around 28 percent depending, then theres management and tricks promoters use to get more money, Williams who got 900,000 drops down to a lil over 300k just from tax and promoter fee alone, so imagine the other guys .

As far as the UFC goes, most of those fighters at UFC 84 are nobodies as far as recognition, sure we know them cuz we know MMA but hardly no one would know any of those fighters except Ortiz Penn and Wanderlei.

I think the pay in both sports are *****ty but at least UFC guys get sponser money (which is anywhere from 5 to 20 k a sponser) and dont have to get robbed of there check by greedy promoters

Gareth Ivanovic
05-28-2008, 08:51 PM
Damn that sucks especially for a guy like Jardine. I mean he got sent to the hospital and only got 10k out of it. Plus he's been in some other big fights, I think he would deserve more than that. Dana White is robbing them blind.

2swell k-wells
05-28-2008, 09:01 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Floyd could pay 25 UFC payrolls with one fight

maaaaaaaaaaan STFU nobody gives a ****, when was the last time u seen a card like this in boxing u stupid ****.:nonono:

Texanballer
05-29-2008, 01:55 AM
Ivan Calderon 105 pound fighter is making more money than guys in the main event lol

Juan Diaz got 750k to fight Nate Campbell.
Rocky Juarez i believe made aroudn 200k to fight jose hernandez on an undercard. So clearly its not only the big name who get the dough, even the smaller fighters. **** Carbajal-Gonzalez 108 pound fighters both got a million to fight each other

mrpain81
05-29-2008, 02:52 AM
Why not bring up JMM fighting John for peanuts, heres a champion who just came off a great match with Pacquiao and hes only gettin paid 30k for the next fight.

That example is known as one of the dumbest moves ever by a champion in the history of boxing, you make it sound like it happens all the time. In MMA it does happen all the time and you see plenty of fighters complaining, leaving the biggest org out there.

Couture
Tito
Andre Arlovski
Fedor - called the contract a slave contract
Tim Sylvia - was pissed that Brock was making more then him, when he was an Ex Champ.





All thoses purses you bought up, relized that everyone of them MUST PAY THIRTY THREE PERCENT to their promoter, so thats a third gone, then theres the tax, which is usually around 28 percent depending, then theres management and tricks promoters use to get more money, Williams who got 900,000 drops down to a lil over 300k just from tax and promoter fee alone, so imagine the other guys .

So you're saying that MMA fighters don't have to pay taxes?? Why even bring that up?


As far as the UFC goes, most of those fighters at UFC 84 are nobodies as far as recognition, sure we know them cuz we know MMA but hardly no one would know any of those fighters except Ortiz Penn and Wanderlei.

Yeah I'm sure everyone know's who Baldomir is or Paul Williams, another dumb post because no one outside of Boxing fanatics know can point out any boxer besides Mayweater,Delahoya,Tyson.

I think the pay in both sports are *****ty but at least UFC guys get sponser money (which is anywhere from 5 to 20 k a sponser) and dont have to get robbed of there check by greedy promoters

You believe that the UFC really is looking out for the fighters best interest and not their own profit??

UFC Hires Washington Lobbying Firm

While the UFC has been highly active on a state by state basis in trying to shape the regulation of mixed martial arts, the UFC entered the fray on a national level recently by hiring Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck to lobby on Capitol Hill.

“UFC is at the point where they are one of the fastest-growing sports leagues, and we want to make sure members of Congress are aware of the changes MMA has undergone,” said Makan Delrahim, a former top Justice Department official who is now a lobbyist at Brownstein Hyatt.

The UFC also looks to use the lobbying firm to resist efforts to place the UFC under regulation relating to professional boxing. In short, they are looking to do everything they possibly can to not be listed under the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act of 2000 and Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2007, regulating among other things contracts between fighters and promoters.

“Sometimes those types of laws can become vehicles for other things, affecting other sports,” Delrahim said.

“Boxing has a whole different story and certain laws may have been appropriate, but it is a whole different operation for MMA; it wouldn’t make sense to apply the same rules.”

Inclusion of the UFC under the two aforementioned boxing reform acts would basically turn the standard UFC fighter contract on it's ear. The standard UFC contract is largely seen as one-sided, favoring the corporation to an almost draconian degree.

http://www.mmapayout.com/

Blair_Wells#32
05-29-2008, 08:42 PM
while everyones on the discussion of mma pay an boxing pay looked up an old article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-mmamailbag042908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Clearly, the top UFC fighters don***8217;t make nearly the amount that the top boxers make. But there is an incorrect perception that the other UFC fighters are being underpaid compared to boxers of the same level as well as fighters in the mixed martial arts community.

So I called the Nevada Athletic Commission and got the payment verification sheets for the last two major boxing shows (Bernard Hopkins-Joe Calzaghe on April 19 and Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez on March 15) as well as for the last major UFC show in the state, UFC 81 on Feb. 2.

According to state records, Hopkins and Calzaghe were each paid $3 million for their work. The next highest-paid fighter on that card was Audley Harrison, who made $20,000. There were nine fighters who made $5,000 or less, including two men, Marcos Mendias and Jermell Charlo, who made but $1,500.

Pacquiao made $3 million and Marquez $1 million for their epic rematch, but there were five fighters of the 14 on that show who made $3,500 or less.

At the UFC show, the lowest base pay for any of the 18 fighters on the card was the $4,000 that Kyle Bradley made.

The UFC also paid out $60,000 bonuses that night for knockout of the night, submission of the night and fight of the night. Plus, most of the fighters had bonuses for winning, so the opportunity was there for them to double their pay, which was not for the boxers.

And several agents, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have said the UFC occasionally pays its fighters bonuses it chooses not to announce to the public. These bonuses apparently go to fighters who perform superbly in a big fight.

Welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre reportedly received a $500,000 bonus and a Hummer when he knocked out Matt Hughes at UFC 65 in Sacramento, Calif.

Additionally, fighting in the UFC makes an athlete significantly more attractive to a sponsor. Frank Mir made $85,000 for the logos he wore into the cage for his fight with Brock Lesnar that night. Had he been fighting in another organization, there***8217;s zero chance he would have earned half that in sponsorship money and he likely wouldn***8217;t have gotten 20 percent as much.

So Mir that night earned a base pay of $40,000, a win bonus of another $40,000, a submission of the night bonus of $60,000 and then hauled in $85,000 in sponsorship dollars.

He***8217;s not going to be able to retire after that bout, but bringing in $225,000 for one night***8217;s work isn***8217;t bad at any time, especially in this economy. A fighter like Chuck Liddell is making around $6 million a year between his salary and his sponsorships and was making at least $9 million little more than a year ago. He was getting $75,000 a month from Xyience and received $1 million for just two weekends of promoting the movie, ***8220;300.***8221;

***8220;The UFC will pay you if you perform,***8221; said fighter agent Dean Albrecht, Mir***8217;s agent. ***8220;It***8217;s like in the NFL. They***8217;re not going to rip up your contract after one great game, but if you perform over a period of time, they***8217;ll pay you and pay you extremely well. In the UFC, if you go out and fight and put on a great show, believe me, they pay extremely well and they can make some of these kids rich.***8221;

Albrecht said another of his clients, Joe Lauzon, earned $8,000 for his bout with Kenny Florian earlier this month on Ultimate Fight Night 13. He would have gotten an $8,000 bonus had he won. Albrecht conceded the pay was low, but it was mitigated by a $20,000 fight of the night bonus and $52,000 in sponsorship money Albrecht negotiated.

He said if Lauzon had been fighting in a regional promotion, he would have made $2,000 to show, gotten $2,000 had he won and may have picked up another $500 in sponsorship. Even in the best case scenario, then, he would have made less than $5,000.

The IFL is bleeding money and likely won***8217;t last past its next show. Elite XC in its most recent SEC report also conceded it may not have the funds to last the rest of the year. If it***8217;s not able to pull at least a 2.5 rating on CBS for its May 31 show, it may be in jeopardy of failing.

The UFC, on the other hand, continues to thrive. It will provide a place for the fighters to sell their wares long into the future. There is no other North American-based promotion that can say that now other than the UFC.

So while the UFC should bump up the salaries of the fighters up and down the cards, given the rising merchandise sales, gate receipts and pay-per-view revenues, you also have to remember that they***8217;re the only ones who are thriving and can pay consistently. It***8217;s a two-way street.

With that, let***8217;s get on to the reader mailbag. My answers to your questions appear in italics.

KENFLO FAN

Kenny Florian***8217;s win over Joe Lauzon has moved him into the upper echelon of the lightweight class. I feel he should fight on a pay-per-view card with Roger Huerta, with the winner fighting the winner of B.J. Penn-Sean Sherk, who meet for the title on May 24.

mrpain81
05-30-2008, 03:07 AM
^^^^

Kevin Iole is a mouthpeice for Zuffa, he loves to throw out the numbers of the athletic commision for boxing, then when those same numbers reflect that the UFC pays nothing. They say "Well thats not the real pay, our guys are making way more" Plus you have to take into consideration that the Hopkins vs Calzaghe undercard was probably the worst in the history of boxing.

Virgil Caine
05-30-2008, 04:19 AM
^^^^

Kevin Iole is a mouthpeice for Zuffa, he loves to throw out the numbers of the athletic commision for boxing, then when those same numbers reflect that the UFC pays nothing. They say "Well thats not the real pay, our guys are making way more" Plus you have to take into consideration that the Hopkins vs Calzaghe undercard was probably the worst in the history of boxing.
Yeah thats kinda what I was thinking. The guy's obviously just tweaking the numbers to "prove" his point.

Dice
05-30-2008, 04:51 AM
Mrpain you make some valid as well as some stupid points but let me just sum up my point cuz i'm really tired of argueing.

My point is that A I do agree UFC fighters are paid nothing but B boxers are paid nothing as well. Its worst for UFC cuz even the top names get paid crap but people think that everyone in boxing is getting millions when most boxers INCLUDING CHAMPIONS are getting crap either outright or robbed by promoters.

1 million dollar payday looks nice till the promoter gets his cut, all in all thats why I respect Tito Ortiz cuz he had the balls to stand up and voice displeasure

TRAVI$
05-30-2008, 11:30 AM
****
Imagine what the lesser fighers on a **** fight card are earning

mrpain81
05-30-2008, 11:32 AM
Mrpain you make some valid as well as some stupid points but let me just sum up my point cuz i'm really tired of argueing.

My point is that A I do agree UFC fighters are paid nothing but B boxers are paid nothing as well. Its worst for UFC cuz even the top names get paid crap but people think that everyone in boxing is getting millions when most boxers INCLUDING CHAMPIONS are getting crap either outright or robbed by promoters.
1 million dollar payday looks nice till the promoter gets his cut, all in all thats why I respect Tito Ortiz cuz he had the balls to stand up and voice displeasure

Here's the pay breakdown for Boxers, got it from the Maxboxing board from I think the guy who manages Nate Cambell.

Management - 10%-33%, depending on the contract
Trainer - typically 10% (usually negotiated to under 10% if the purse is over $1 million)
Sanctioning body (title fights and eliminators only) - 3% per organization
Training expenses - most promotional agreements allocate extra money for training expenses.
% to promoter? - this only applies in purse bids or provision of services agreements. Legally, the promoter cannot offer you a fight, and then take a percentage of the purse.
Taxes would only be applicable to the remaining money after the bills are paid.

Here's how it should breakdown on a $1.2 million purse
Management (lets say 25%) - $300,000
Trainer - $120,000 (could be negotiated lower)
Training expenses - paid by promoter
Lets assume it was an IBF title fight - $36,000
Lets assume it was a purse bid and the promoter gets 20% - $240,000

This leaves $504,000
Less taxes (18%) - $90,720

That leaves $413,280 (less any advances taken by the fighter)

Now the one expense that really stands out is the management fees. At this level, it might appear excessive. But keep in mind that most managers pay the freight for alot of things on the way up. Rent, car payments, trainers, equipment, child support, legal fees, spending money, etc., and maybe one out of 25 fighters (if that) actually bring a return on the investment to the manager. It may seem like alot, but the truth is that without some managers finding the talent, and funding it (alongside some promoters), then the process of developing new fighters would grind to a halt. Yes, some managers are just vultures there to pick the bones, but some actually do pretty good things.

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Now you say boxers also make **** well lets see....

Wlad Klitschko - Makes a few million at least a fight - does not fight on PPV

David Haye - made about 1.2 million for his fight with Enzo plus just signed a big deal with GBP and Setanta sport he will be making a few Million a fight no doubt.

Joe Calzaghe - made about 10 Million for the Hopkins fight,has been making big purses for awhile now does not fight on ppv

Hopkins - Has been making millions for years now, made about 10 million for the Calzaghe fight and 10 Million for the Oscar fight

Antonio Tarver - Has been making some good purses, a few million for his fights with Roy Jones a few million at least for his fight with Hopkins.

Roy Jones - has been making million's for a long time now, made over 10 Million for his fight with Trinidad

Kelly Pavlik - Made 2.5 Million for his rematch with Taylor, 1 million for the first fight. Will be making very good paydays from here on out

Jermain Taylor - Has been making about 3 Million a fight since his rematch with Hopkins

Arthur Abraham - Is a Big star in Germany, will be comming to America against Miranda, making a few million a fight.

Mayorga - for being a guy with not much skill 3 Million for Oscar fight, 2.5 for Trinidad fight will get another big payday in his next fight comming off a win against vargas.

Delahoya - Has more money then god

Floyd - Has more money then god

Margarito - Made about 1.2 Million for his fight with Williams and will be making a career high payday with Cotto.

Miguel Cotto - Made about 3 million for his fight against Mosley, has been making good purses for awhile now, will get career high purse against Margarito.

Shane Mosley - Has been making some big purses for a long time now got about 5 million against oscar the first time, 4.5 the rematch, good coin against Winky...Made a good purse against Cotto.

Ricky Hatton - made over 30 mil in his fight against Floyd, dude is a fat cat.

Juan Diaz - made 800k his last fight with Cambell and just signed a new deal with GBP which will no doubt bring him some big fights and big purses.

David Diaz - Will be making a career high 800k in his fight against Manny pac, not bad for guy considered one of the worst title holder in the whole sport of boxing.

Manny Pacquiao - has been making Multi Million dollar purses since his first fight with Morales, made a guaranteed 3 million for the Marquez rematch, and is guaranteed 3 million for his fight against diaz plus PPV%.

JMM - Made over 1 million in his rematch with Pac, has had some high profile fights on HBO, showtime and even co-headling a PPV with Barrera.

Israel Vasquez - Made 750k plus got a 100k bonus from his promoters for the 3rd fight against Marquez, the 4th fight could bring them both over 1 million and these guys fight at 122 pounds. Marquez made 424k for the 3rd fight.



That 20 and I can keep going, these are active boxers and are for the most part millionaire's

How many Active MMA fighters are Millionares? or have made over 1 million for one fight? I can tell you that MMA PPV's sell about the same as boxing but the fighters don't make anywhere close to the same.

Texanballer
05-30-2008, 12:52 PM
while everyones on the discussion of mma pay an boxing pay looked up an old article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-mmamailbag042908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Clearly, the top UFC fighters don’t make nearly the amount that the top boxers make. But there is an incorrect perception that the other UFC fighters are being underpaid compared to boxers of the same level as well as fighters in the mixed martial arts community.

So I called the Nevada Athletic Commission and got the payment verification sheets for the last two major boxing shows (Bernard Hopkins-Joe Calzaghe on April 19 and Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez on March 15) as well as for the last major UFC show in the state, UFC 81 on Feb. 2.

According to state records, Hopkins and Calzaghe were each paid $3 million for their work. The next highest-paid fighter on that card was Audley Harrison, who made $20,000. There were nine fighters who made $5,000 or less, including two men, Marcos Mendias and Jermell Charlo, who made but $1,500.

Pacquiao made $3 million and Marquez $1 million for their epic rematch, but there were five fighters of the 14 on that show who made $3,500 or less.

At the UFC show, the lowest base pay for any of the 18 fighters on the card was the $4,000 that Kyle Bradley made.

The UFC also paid out $60,000 bonuses that night for knockout of the night, submission of the night and fight of the night. Plus, most of the fighters had bonuses for winning, so the opportunity was there for them to double their pay, which was not for the boxers.

And several agents, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have said the UFC occasionally pays its fighters bonuses it chooses not to announce to the public. These bonuses apparently go to fighters who perform superbly in a big fight.

Welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre reportedly received a $500,000 bonus and a Hummer when he knocked out Matt Hughes at UFC 65 in Sacramento, Calif.

Additionally, fighting in the UFC makes an athlete significantly more attractive to a sponsor. Frank Mir made $85,000 for the logos he wore into the cage for his fight with Brock Lesnar that night. Had he been fighting in another organization, there’s zero chance he would have earned half that in sponsorship money and he likely wouldn’t have gotten 20 percent as much.

So Mir that night earned a base pay of $40,000, a win bonus of another $40,000, a submission of the night bonus of $60,000 and then hauled in $85,000 in sponsorship dollars.

He’s not going to be able to retire after that bout, but bringing in $225,000 for one night’s work isn’t bad at any time, especially in this economy. A fighter like Chuck Liddell is making around $6 million a year between his salary and his sponsorships and was making at least $9 million little more than a year ago. He was getting $75,000 a month from Xyience and received $1 million for just two weekends of promoting the movie, “300.”

“The UFC will pay you if you perform,” said fighter agent Dean Albrecht, Mir’s agent. “It’s like in the NFL. They’re not going to rip up your contract after one great game, but if you perform over a period of time, they’ll pay you and pay you extremely well. In the UFC, if you go out and fight and put on a great show, believe me, they pay extremely well and they can make some of these kids rich.”

Albrecht said another of his clients, Joe Lauzon, earned $8,000 for his bout with Kenny Florian earlier this month on Ultimate Fight Night 13. He would have gotten an $8,000 bonus had he won. Albrecht conceded the pay was low, but it was mitigated by a $20,000 fight of the night bonus and $52,000 in sponsorship money Albrecht negotiated.

He said if Lauzon had been fighting in a regional promotion, he would have made $2,000 to show, gotten $2,000 had he won and may have picked up another $500 in sponsorship. Even in the best case scenario, then, he would have made less than $5,000.

The IFL is bleeding money and likely won’t last past its next show. Elite XC in its most recent SEC report also conceded it may not have the funds to last the rest of the year. If it’s not able to pull at least a 2.5 rating on CBS for its May 31 show, it may be in jeopardy of failing.

The UFC, on the other hand, continues to thrive. It will provide a place for the fighters to sell their wares long into the future. There is no other North American-based promotion that can say that now other than the UFC.

So while the UFC should bump up the salaries of the fighters up and down the cards, given the rising merchandise sales, gate receipts and pay-per-view revenues, you also have to remember that they’re the only ones who are thriving and can pay consistently. It’s a two-way street.

With that, let’s get on to the reader mailbag. My answers to your questions appear in italics.

KENFLO FAN

Kenny Florian’s win over Joe Lauzon has moved him into the upper echelon of the lightweight class. I feel he should fight on a pay-per-view card with Roger Huerta, with the winner fighting the winner of B.J. Penn-Sean Sherk, who meet for the title on May 24.

Calzaghe-Hopkins undercard fighters got paid **** b.c they were not on tv. Same with Marquez-Pacquiao, non tv undercard gets you ****. I bet the co main event and even fight before that were getting 6 figures.

Cuauhtémoc1520
05-30-2008, 12:58 PM
Here's the pay breakdown for Boxers, got it from the Maxboxing board from I think the guy who manages Nate Cambell.

Management - 10%-33%, depending on the contract
Trainer - typically 10% (usually negotiated to under 10% if the purse is over $1 million)
Sanctioning body (title fights and eliminators only) - 3% per organization
Training expenses - most promotional agreements allocate extra money for training expenses.
% to promoter? - this only applies in purse bids or provision of services agreements. Legally, the promoter cannot offer you a fight, and then take a percentage of the purse.
Taxes would only be applicable to the remaining money after the bills are paid.

Here's how it should breakdown on a $1.2 million purse
Management (lets say 25%) - $300,000
Trainer - $120,000 (could be negotiated lower)
Training expenses - paid by promoter
Lets assume it was an IBF title fight - $36,000
Lets assume it was a purse bid and the promoter gets 20% - $240,000

This leaves $504,000
Less taxes (18%) - $90,720

That leaves $413,280 (less any advances taken by the fighter)

Now the one expense that really stands out is the management fees. At this level, it might appear excessive. But keep in mind that most managers pay the freight for alot of things on the way up. Rent, car payments, trainers, equipment, child support, legal fees, spending money, etc., and maybe one out of 25 fighters (if that) actually bring a return on the investment to the manager. It may seem like alot, but the truth is that without some managers finding the talent, and funding it (alongside some promoters), then the process of developing new fighters would grind to a halt. Yes, some managers are just vultures there to pick the bones, but some actually do pretty good things.

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Now you say boxers also make **** well lets see....

Wlad Klitschko - Makes a few million at least a fight - does not fight on PPV

David Haye - made about 1.2 million for his fight with Enzo plus just signed a big deal with GBP and Setanta sport he will be making a few Million a fight no doubt.

Joe Calzaghe - made about 10 Million for the Hopkins fight,has been making big purses for awhile now does not fight on ppv

Hopkins - Has been making millions for years now, made about 10 million for the Calzaghe fight and 10 Million for the Oscar fight

Antonio Tarver - Has been making some good purses, a few million for his fights with Roy Jones a few million at least for his fight with Hopkins.

Roy Jones - has been making million's for a long time now, made over 10 Million for his fight with Trinidad

Kelly Pavlik - Made 2.5 Million for his rematch with Taylor, 1 million for the first fight. Will be making very good paydays from here on out

Jermain Taylor - Has been making about 3 Million a fight since his rematch with Hopkins

Arthur Abraham - Is a Big star in Germany, will be comming to America against Miranda, making a few million a fight.

Mayorga - for being a guy with not much skill 3 Million for Oscar fight, 2.5 for Trinidad fight will get another big payday in his next fight comming off a win against vargas.

Delahoya - Has more money then god

Floyd - Has more money then god

Margarito - Made about 1.2 Million for his fight with Williams and will be making a career high payday with Cotto.

Miguel Cotto - Made about 3 million for his fight against Mosley, has been making good purses for awhile now, will get career high purse against Margarito.

Shane Mosley - Has been making some big purses for a long time now got about 5 million against oscar the first time, 4.5 the rematch, good coin against Winky...Made a good purse against Cotto.

Ricky Hatton - made over 30 mil in his fight against Floyd, dude is a fat cat.

Juan Diaz - made 800k his last fight with Cambell and just signed a new deal with GBP which will no doubt bring him some big fights and big purses.

David Diaz - Will be making a career high 800k in his fight against Manny pac, not bad for guy considered one of the worst title holder in the whole sport of boxing.

Manny Pacquiao - has been making Multi Million dollar purses since his first fight with Morales, made a guaranteed 3 million for the Marquez rematch, and is guaranteed 3 million for his fight against diaz plus PPV%.

JMM - Made over 1 million in his rematch with Pac, has had some high profile fights on HBO, showtime and even co-headling a PPV with Barrera.

Israel Vasquez - Made 750k plus got a 100k bonus from his promoters for the 3rd fight against Marquez, the 4th fight could bring them both over 1 million and these guys fight at 122 pounds. Marquez made 424k for the 3rd fight.



That 20 and I can keep going, these are active boxers and are for the most part millionaire's

How many Active MMA fighters are Millionares? or have made over 1 million for one fight? I can tell you that MMA PPV's sell about the same as boxing but the fighters don't make anywhere close to the same.


End of argument, he just shut it down.

How many Active MMA fighters are Millionares? or have made over 1 million for one fight? I can tell you that MMA PPV's sell about the same as boxing but the fighters don't make anywhere close to the same

RB23
05-30-2008, 08:55 PM
Crazy how Kim made more then Sherk. But Sherk probably got a PPV %.

Dice
05-30-2008, 09:16 PM
Here's the pay breakdown for Boxers, got it from the Maxboxing board from I think the guy who manages Nate Cambell.

Management - 10%-33%, depending on the contract
Trainer - typically 10% (usually negotiated to under 10% if the purse is over $1 million)
Sanctioning body (title fights and eliminators only) - 3% per organization
Training expenses - most promotional agreements allocate extra money for training expenses.
% to promoter? - this only applies in purse bids or provision of services agreements. Legally, the promoter cannot offer you a fight, and then take a percentage of the purse.
Taxes would only be applicable to the remaining money after the bills are paid.

Here's how it should breakdown on a $1.2 million purse
Management (lets say 25%) - $300,000
Trainer - $120,000 (could be negotiated lower)
Training expenses - paid by promoter
Lets assume it was an IBF title fight - $36,000
Lets assume it was a purse bid and the promoter gets 20% - $240,000

This leaves $504,000
Less taxes (18%) - $90,720

That leaves $413,280 (less any advances taken by the fighter)

Now the one expense that really stands out is the management fees. At this level, it might appear excessive. But keep in mind that most managers pay the freight for alot of things on the way up. Rent, car payments, trainers, equipment, child support, legal fees, spending money, etc., and maybe one out of 25 fighters (if that) actually bring a return on the investment to the manager. It may seem like alot, but the truth is that without some managers finding the talent, and funding it (alongside some promoters), then the process of developing new fighters would grind to a halt. Yes, some managers are just vultures there to pick the bones, but some actually do pretty good things.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now you say boxers also make **** well lets see....

Wlad Klitschko - Makes a few million at least a fight - does not fight on PPV

David Haye - made about 1.2 million for his fight with Enzo plus just signed a big deal with GBP and Setanta sport he will be making a few Million a fight no doubt.

Joe Calzaghe - made about 10 Million for the Hopkins fight,has been making big purses for awhile now does not fight on ppv

Hopkins - Has been making millions for years now, made about 10 million for the Calzaghe fight and 10 Million for the Oscar fight

Antonio Tarver - Has been making some good purses, a few million for his fights with Roy Jones a few million at least for his fight with Hopkins.

Roy Jones - has been making million's for a long time now, made over 10 Million for his fight with Trinidad

Kelly Pavlik - Made 2.5 Million for his rematch with Taylor, 1 million for the first fight. Will be making very good paydays from here on out

Jermain Taylor - Has been making about 3 Million a fight since his rematch with Hopkins

Arthur Abraham - Is a Big star in Germany, will be comming to America against Miranda, making a few million a fight.

Mayorga - for being a guy with not much skill 3 Million for Oscar fight, 2.5 for Trinidad fight will get another big payday in his next fight comming off a win against vargas.

Delahoya - Has more money then god

Floyd - Has more money then god

Margarito - Made about 1.2 Million for his fight with Williams and will be making a career high payday with Cotto.

Miguel Cotto - Made about 3 million for his fight against Mosley, has been making good purses for awhile now, will get career high purse against Margarito.

Shane Mosley - Has been making some big purses for a long time now got about 5 million against oscar the first time, 4.5 the rematch, good coin against Winky...Made a good purse against Cotto.

Ricky Hatton - made over 30 mil in his fight against Floyd, dude is a fat cat.

Juan Diaz - made 800k his last fight with Cambell and just signed a new deal with GBP which will no doubt bring him some big fights and big purses.

David Diaz - Will be making a career high 800k in his fight against Manny pac, not bad for guy considered one of the worst title holder in the whole sport of boxing.

Manny Pacquiao - has been making Multi Million dollar purses since his first fight with Morales, made a guaranteed 3 million for the Marquez rematch, and is guaranteed 3 million for his fight against diaz plus PPV%.

JMM - Made over 1 million in his rematch with Pac, has had some high profile fights on HBO, showtime and even co-headling a PPV with Barrera.

Israel Vasquez - Made 750k plus got a 100k bonus from his promoters for the 3rd fight against Marquez, the 4th fight could bring them both over 1 million and these guys fight at 122 pounds. Marquez made 424k for the 3rd fight.



That 20 and I can keep going, these are active boxers and are for the most part millionaire's

How many Active MMA fighters are Millionares? or have made over 1 million for one fight? I can tell you that MMA PPV's sell about the same as boxing but the fighters don't make anywhere close to the same.

Solid point man green k comin