View Full Version : Tito Ortiz and Jenna Jameson post press conference fiasco.


Mickey Gomez
05-26-2008, 09:17 PM
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Spare Moody
05-26-2008, 10:44 PM
i agree that Dana's been an ass lately but he's being just as much of one. did it ever occur to him that he promised an exciting fight, gave a typical boring and ****ty fight, and then still managed to lose?? i still can't believe the first thing he said immediately after his loss was giving props to his intense training and cardio.

and will that woman please shut the **** up???

Mickey Gomez
05-26-2008, 10:55 PM
The fight being boring was more down to Machida imo.

Spare Moody
05-26-2008, 10:59 PM
Tito didn't bring ****. ironically he would still get all pissy when Machida would do the same. i've never seen that before. usually the fighter bringing all the action is the one gets frustrated at the inactive opponent.

th4l3pr3ch4un
05-26-2008, 11:34 PM
those styles just didnt match up well in that fight

Dice
05-26-2008, 11:54 PM
Are u serious, its was Machida that bought out the Nyquil, Tito is the man and shot or not he's like the Steve Austin of MMA

kaps
05-27-2008, 12:41 AM
Don't know what fight you where watching Tony, but Tito was tryin to fight, but Machida's style is hit and run. Machida made that fight boring. Sick Triangle at the end, would've been sweet if he could of held it....

Spare Moody
05-27-2008, 01:54 PM
and why didn't he hold it (i thought it was an armbar)??? it just seemed like Tito just let go for no reason. we replayed that over and over again and nobody at our party could see any pressure going towards Tito for him to let that arm go.


and i don't recall seeing Tito bringing much of a fight. occassionally he would charge towards Machida but he wouldn't follow it up with anything. i saw very few takedown attempts too. from what i remember (and yes, i was tanked off the keg of Flat Tire) the majority of the fight consisted of both of them dancin around, throwing occassional jabs, and Tito complaining.

YUHHHHHHH!
05-27-2008, 02:10 PM
Boring fight? I thought that it was great, I love watching someone get picked apart by a defensive style, but Lyoto Machida showed everyone that he could easily beat Tito on the offense as well. Maybe I'm just interested in different styles than you guys.

1bad65
05-27-2008, 02:22 PM
and why didn't he hold it (i thought it was an armbar)??? it just seemed like Tito just let go for no reason. we replayed that over and over again and nobody at our party could see any pressure going towards Tito for him to let that arm go.

It was a triangle that transitioned to an armbar.

He gave up the armbar because he knew he was fixing to get his back taken.

Virgil Caine
05-27-2008, 02:23 PM
and why didn't he hold it (i thought it was an armbar)??? it just seemed like Tito just let go for no reason. we replayed that over and over again and nobody at our party could see any pressure going towards Tito for him to let that arm go.


and i don't recall seeing Tito bringing much of a fight. occassionally he would charge towards Machida but he wouldn't follow it up with anything. i saw very few takedown attempts too. from what i remember (and yes, i was tanked off the keg of Flat Tire) the majority of the fight consisted of both of them dancin around, throwing occassional jabs, and Tito complaining.
It was at first a triangle but Machida slipped his shoulder out. Tito transitioned to an armbar and momentarily had it tight, but Machida was able to role out, relieving the pressure on his arm. You can only armbar from a proper angle, Machida eliminated the angle with his role.

Spare Moody
05-27-2008, 02:31 PM
i'm gonna hafta rewatch this then because, from what i recall, he was laying on his back while executing the armbar. how would his back get taken if he's laying on it?

and it looked like he had that sealed in pretty tight. i didn't see Machida countering it at all by the time that Tito let go. it was right at the end of the fight. even if he were at risk, t would make more sense to try to execute the armbar and go for the win rather than worrying about giving up your back. when you have a professional fighter who's specialized in ground game then you're rarely gonna get tapped out immediately by giving up your back. it takes a good amount of time for the opponent to work the choke in and Machida wouldn't have had enough time.

Spare Moody
05-27-2008, 02:33 PM
It was at first a triangle but Machida slipped his shoulder out. Tito transitioned to an armbar and momentarily had it tight, but Machida was able to role out, relieving the pressure on his arm. You can only armbar from a proper angle, Machida eliminated the angle with his role.

1,000 points to anyone that can post this portion of the fight. i don't recall Machida rolling out of anything

Cuauhtémoc1520
05-27-2008, 02:34 PM
Reguardless of who won the fight, why do you bring your girlfriend in on every presser???

To make things worse, I can understand if it's your wife or a woman you have been with for a long time but an ex-**** star that looks rediculous from all the surgery she has had......

I wonder if everytime Tito kisses her on the mouth, he tastes the tens of thousands of dicks that have nutted in that plastic mouth of hers.


NEVER MAKE A WHORE INTO A HOUSE WIFE.....EVER.

D.I.E.S.E.L
05-27-2008, 02:37 PM
1,000 points to anyone that can post this portion of the fight. i don't recall Machida rolling out of anything

http://mmavideolinks.to/index.php?/UFC/UFC-84-Ill-Will-Videos.html
http://blog.ronin5.com/ufc-84-tito-ortiz-vs-lyoto-machida-video-clip/

either or...

Spare Moody
05-27-2008, 03:30 PM
good lookin out dies. i think i gave you 1,000 but lemme know if it didn't go through.


ok, i did see the roll this time but there was still no reason Tito should have given that up. he was in no risk of giving up his back. i'd like to see it from the bird's eye angle but, from the angle i can see, it looks like Tito's breaking his own guard FIRST and then letting the arm loose after the roll is even completed.

PLENTY of people have been tapped with an armbar while standing up. one of the first examples seen was Royce Gracie vs. Jason DeLucia. that's one of the most basic transitions in BJJ. there's no reason why Tito couldn't have made that transition while holding on. instead he lets go and just lays there playing defensive. the only reason somebody would do that is if they're extremely gassed.......hence, my initial comment about Tito giving himself props for the extensive cardio training.

SmarterChild
05-27-2008, 03:41 PM
Jennas should stick to sucking d***

Virgil Caine
05-27-2008, 08:09 PM
good lookin out dies. i think i gave you 1,000 but lemme know if it didn't go through.


ok, i did see the roll this time but there was still no reason Tito should have given that up. he was in no risk of giving up his back. i'd like to see it from the bird's eye angle but, from the angle i can see, it looks like Tito's breaking his own guard FIRST and then letting the arm loose after the roll is even completed.

PLENTY of people have been tapped with an armbar while standing up. one of the first examples seen was Royce Gracie vs. Jason DeLucia. that's one of the most basic transitions in BJJ. there's no reason why Tito couldn't have made that transition while holding on. instead he lets go and just lays there playing defensive. the only reason somebody would do that is if they're extremely gassed.......hence, my initial comment about Tito giving himself props for the extensive cardio training.
With the role, Machida relieved the pressure on his arm. He got out.

Spare Moody
05-27-2008, 08:37 PM
With the role, Machida relieved the pressure on his arm. He got out.


you can relieve most of the pressure by rolling but it's a pretty simple tactic to transition into another armbar and (unless you're fighting Rampage Jackson) you'll be able to pick up right where you left off. Tito let go after the roll and that's when Machida got out. you can clearly see Machida keeping his form UNTIL Tito breaks out of his own guard. had Machida been pulling himself free immediately after the roll then you would've seen something more similar to what Fedor was consistently doing to Nog in their 2nd fight.

vinnie7731
05-27-2008, 09:43 PM
the way i remember seeing it has tito should have held the triangle choke with an arm in and waited till machida tapped. even if he rolled, should have sinched it tighter.....who knows

Virgil Caine
05-27-2008, 10:08 PM
the way i remember seeing it has tito should have held the triangle choke with an arm in and waited till machida tapped. even if he rolled, should have sinched it tighter.....who knows
Machida sinched his right shoulder out as Tito locked on the triangle which allowed him to escape. I don't know what all this **** about Tito should have held the submission is. It was damn close, but Machida escaped the hold.

Spare Moody
05-27-2008, 11:44 PM
well......here's how it works:

when you have somebody set up in a submission move you execute the submission. in wrestling or BJJ, if they counter your setup then you roll into another offensive, providing that they haven't completely stepped out or broken your guard.

Machida was given the opportunity to escape by the roll. my point is that Tito opened his guard and let go of his arm BEFORE Machida pulled out. the submission wasn't executed because Tito gave it up, not because Machida pulled out.

Virgil Caine
05-28-2008, 01:10 AM
well......here's how it works:

when you have somebody set up in a submission move you execute the submission. in wrestling or BJJ, if they counter your setup then you roll into another offensive, providing that they haven't completely stepped out or broken your guard.

Machida was given the opportunity to escape by the roll. my point is that Tito opened his guard and let go of his arm BEFORE Machida pulled out. the submission wasn't executed because Tito gave it up, not because Machida pulled out.
Sounds like some serious armchair quarterback **** to me.

Spare Moody
05-28-2008, 01:24 AM
well the irony to that is that i used to pull those all the time in training. it's natural instinct to hold on to a submission that you're trying to pull. it's more advanced to roll into something else but just giving it up entirely??

Harms
05-30-2008, 03:00 AM
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th4l3pr3ch4un
05-30-2008, 12:58 PM
i think were all getting a little tired of jenna jameson and her "knowledge" of the sport.

Spare Moody
05-30-2008, 01:06 PM
exactly. watching these two is as irritating as john and yoko