There is a Video coming out today that the CIA has authenticated as being the real deal. Bin Laden talks about 9/11 and tells us how to avoid another attack. He insists that the current administration is corrupt and he is basically putting in a plug for his man Kerry. The terrorists want Bush out of the whitehouse because they know that Kerry will be a ***** and they will be able to go back to business as usual. A vote for Kerry may as well be a vote for all terrorists. If the terrorists want Bush out of the whitehouse doesn't that tell you something? Wake up people and cast your vote for Bush before it's too late. If not, then your siding with the terrorists and giving into their demands and telling the rest of the world that the greatest power that ever strode the earth is bowing down to a bunch of nutjob fanatics. How could it be any clearer?

Yes, it tells me that they are pissed off because he invaded Iraq illegally, on the premise of a lie, for their oilfields.

Yes, it tells me that they are pissed off because he invaded Iraq illegally, on the premise of a lie, for their oilfields.


.....Are you bothered by what Bin Laden thinks? Who gives a **** what he thinks. I just wanna see his turbin on fire.

me, too, but in this case I have to agree with him.. Bush invaded Iraq illegally, on a lie to the world and to the people who hired him, in search of oil.

Just because Bin Laden is a piece of **** who needs to be beaten to death doesn't mean every word he says is a lie.

me, too, but in this case I have to agree with him.. Bush invaded Iraq illegally, on a lie to the world and to the people who hired him, in search of oil.

Just because Bin Laden is a piece of **** who needs to be beaten to death doesn't mean every word he says is a lie.



....I saw a translator on MSNBC a little while ago who said that Bin Laden is obviously speaking to the Arab world as well and acting like he aproves of freedom as well. He is very cognizant that the idea of freedom is spreading in the middle east and is a powder keg for him and all terrorists. He is scared ****less that democracy may take hold in the whacked out Arab world. Without the move into Afghanistan and Iraq it wouldn't have happened. Our policies have him rattled and concerned about his and his kinds future in the middle east.

Arnold with Bush in Columbus tonight and they should seize on the moment and close this thing out in the fourth quarter. I think this will sway the election along with Arnolds charisma and his support of Bush. Tonights speach is gonna be one for the ages. woo hoo

There is a Video coming out today that the CIA has authenticated as being the real deal. Bin Laden talks about 9/11 and tells us how to avoid another attack. He insists that the current administration is corrupt and he is basically putting in a plug for his man Kerry. The terrorists want Bush out of the whitehouse because they know that Kerry will be a ***** and they will be able to go back to business as usual. A vote for Kerry may as well be a vote for all terrorists. If the terrorists want Bush out of the whitehouse doesn't that tell you something? Wake up people and cast your vote for Bush before it's too late. If not, then your siding with the terrorists and giving into their demands and telling the rest of the world that the greatest power that ever strode the earth is bowing down to a bunch of nutjob fanatics. How could it be any clearer?

Please just stop.

Please just stop.



....sorry brother, I can't do that. I was gonna stop but I couldn't pass up this video today.

I also love how you dismiss his grievances as a plug for Kerry and insinuate how Kerry is a coward who will immediately roll over.

Let's review our candidates records in times of war (Fill in the blank):

________________________ volunteered for the Service when his country was at war, though his family definitely had the political connection and money to keep him out. Gave up a safe position on a destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin to command a smaller vessel in one of the most dangerous areas of the war.

_______________________ used family connections to avoid having to go to Vietnam, then apparently didn't complete the requirements of his cushy stateside position, not even bothering to show up for the physical required to maintain flight status, but somehow avoiding get sent to Vietnam again even though this was the standard punishment for such infractions. Wore his Texas ANG flight jacket to classes in college as if he were some sort of war hero, spoke loudly about how he supported the war in Vietnam while continuing to use connections to not actually serve there.

So, given the records of these unnamed candidates, who seems more likely to be a coward?

Also, just because I happen to believe that Bin Laden has made a truthful statement doesn't mean that I agree with his cause, his methods or his ideals. Unlike the Repugnican Party Line would have you believe, I neither support terrorists nor do I hate America.

Bin Laden says in the video that it doesnt matter who wins the election, Bush or Kerry, its the US policies that he opposes. I dont take that as an endorsement for Kerry.

vB, you need to drop all that for the oil bull****. That argument means diddly **** until we actually STEAL the OIL and that hasnt happened yet.

but we're protecting the oil and not the weapons. circumstantial evidence for sure, but still has to make you wonder.

Bin Laden says in the video that it doesnt matter who wins the election, Bush or Kerry, its the US policies that he opposes. I dont take that as an endorsement for Kerry.

vB, you need to drop all that for the oil bull****. That argument means diddly **** until we actually STEAL the OIL and that hasnt happened yet.


...true, but the timing and his bashing of the admin and it's policies tell you exactly where he stands. If it wasn't meant to influence the election for Kerry then it wouldn't have come out now.

So then the video of Azzar the American released last week was meant to favor the Bush administration since they only have fear to run on and he said quite clearly that the streets will run with blood?
You can't deny that every time there is a serious terror threat that Bush's approval rating climbs, so what else can the purpose of that release have been?

This seems to be 2 conflicting videos released by the same organization supporting different candidates. I'm so confused! Maybe I'll just vote Nader!

I also love how you dismiss his grievances as a plug for Kerry and insinuate how Kerry is a coward who will immediately roll over.

Let's review our candidates records in times of war (Fill in the blank):

________________________ volunteered for the Service when his country was at war, though his family definitely had the political connection and money to keep him out. Gave up a safe position on a destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin to command a smaller vessel in one of the most dangerous areas of the war.

_______________________ used family connections to avoid having to go to Vietnam, then apparently didn't complete the requirements of his cushy stateside position, not even bothering to show up for the physical required to maintain flight status, but somehow avoiding get sent to Vietnam again even though this was the standard punishment for such infractions. Wore his Texas ANG flight jacket to classes in college as if he were some sort of war hero, spoke loudly about how he supported the war in Vietnam while continuing to use connections to not actually serve there.

So, given the records of these unnamed candidates, who seems more likely to be a coward?

Also, just because I happen to believe that Bin Laden has made a truthful statement doesn't mean that I agree with his cause, his methods or his ideals. Unlike the Repugnican Party Line would have you believe, I neither support terrorists nor do I hate America.



...Yes, let's review and you can also fill in the blanks.


_______________________ Came back from Nam and backstabbed all of his "brothers in arms" by calling them all murderers and saying that they were basically all war criminals and behaved like animals. He is loved by the communist vietnamese to this day for his anti american and anti-war stance when he got home.


______________________ is disliked by most of his peers. The majority of the people who he has come in contact with in his life just plain do not like him and his "brothers in arms" feel he would make a poor Commander in chief.


______________________ badmouths the military at any and every opportunity and demoralizes them by saying that what they are fighting for is basically a waste.


________________wants to reduce the terrorist threat to something akin to prostitution and gambling. I believe he called it a nuisance.

______________ wants to take a global test to see if we should act or not when we see a clear and present danger.

So then the video of Azzar the American released last week was meant to favor the Bush administration since they only have fear to run on and he said quite clearly that the streets will run with blood?
You can't deny that every time there is a serious terror threat that Bush's approval rating climbs, so what else can the purpose of that release have been?

This seems to be 2 conflicting videos released by the same organization supporting different candidates. I'm so confused! Maybe I'll just vote Nader!


......I think they both support the same candidate and are both trying to sway the election in such a way as to get rid of the guy who they feel is a bigger threat to their existence. Both tapes are saying that if we stay with the status quo then we will get attacked. IMO anyway.

Actually, the first tape didn't say anything about the status quo, it was just a blanket threat. They still haven't been able to authenticate it.

As for your fill in the blanks...

If you watch the testimony in its entirety, not just the sound bytes on Fox News, you will see that he clearly calls the government who sent them there criminals and clearly states that the soldiers had no choice in their actions.

Yet the leader of Swift Boat Veterans for Propoganda is on video during Kerry's last senatorial race calling him a great leader and endorsing him for the senate. His commander in Vietnam stated in his Fitness Report that Kerry showed great bravery, excellent leadership skills and summed up what an officer should be. Another accepted the same Bronze Star for the same action that he said Kerry did not deserve his for.
What's that phrase the neo-cons like to throw around regarding Kerry? I've heard it a billion times, but it just doesn't come to mind...

Please source this badmouthing of the military? You see, the island where I live is populated almost 40% by military and their families, and none of them seem to have heard Kerry badmouthing them. They have heard Kerry badmouth the cowardly prick who is willing to sacrifice their lives, and more than you would think agree with him on that.

I would like the source on reducing the terrorist threat to something akin to prostitution or gambling, too. I do believe i heard him call it a nuisance, but I also heard his opponent stating in an interview that he didn't pay much attention to Bin Laden's whereabouts. In fact, if I remember correctly, his opponent reduced the efforts to capture in order to send the military on a drilling and exploration mission in a nearby country.

Iraq was not a clear an present danger. He has never questioned the need for the action in Afghanistan. He did however question the president pulling troops for the above-mentioned drilling and exploration mission.

Now, I have answered your fill-in-the-blanks. Care to answer mine, or are you just going to come up with more Faux News rhetoric?

Given the records of the two candidates during the conflict of their own time, which one's actions point more towards being a coward?

Actually, the first tape didn't say anything about the status quo, it was just a blanket threat. They still haven't been able to authenticate it.

As for your fill in the blanks...

If you watch the testimony in its entirety, not just the sound bytes on Fox News, you will see that he clearly calls the government who sent them there criminals and clearly states that the soldiers had no choice in their actions.

Yet the leader of Swift Boat Veterans for Propoganda is on video during Kerry's last senatorial race calling him a great leader and endorsing him for the senate. His commander in Vietnam stated in his Fitness Report that Kerry showed great bravery, excellent leadership skills and summed up what an officer should be. Another accepted the same Bronze Star for the same action that he said Kerry did not deserve his for.
What's that phrase the neo-cons like to throw around regarding Kerry? I've heard it a billion times, but it just doesn't come to mind...

Please source this badmouthing of the military? You see, the island where I live is populated almost 40% by military and their families, and none of them seem to have heard Kerry badmouthing them. They have heard Kerry badmouth the cowardly prick who is willing to sacrifice their lives, and more than you would think agree with him on that.

I would like the source on reducing the terrorist threat to something akin to prostitution or gambling, too. I do believe i heard him call it a nuisance, but I also heard his opponent stating in an interview that he didn't pay much attention to Bin Laden's whereabouts. In fact, if I remember correctly, his opponent reduced the efforts to capture in order to send the military on a drilling and exploration mission in a nearby country.

Iraq was not a clear an present danger. He has never questioned the need for the action in Afghanistan. He did however question the president pulling troops for the above-mentioned drilling and exploration mission.

Now, I have answered your fill-in-the-blanks. Care to answer mine, or are you just going to come up with more Faux News rhetoric?

Given the records of the two candidates during the conflict of their own time, which one's actions point more towards being a coward?



...first off, your full of **** about the military supporting Kerry. Most military men and women traditionaly vote Republican for good reason. Secondly, I showed you an article about your own state today that says that Kerry and Bush are running neck and neck. Thank god half of the good people of your state have common sense. Did you see any of Kerry's testimony after Vietnam? Did you see him badmouth the military in any of his comments? case closed. He has also said on numerous occasions that our actions in Iraq are wrong, and then he expects to lead our troops over there. You know exactly what I'm talkking about when it comes to Kerry. If you deny it then your a bad liar. The guy is not likable and never will be. He has never been a man of the people or even been liked very much by his own peers. However, compared to that foreign trash, cunt wife of his, he comes off like Wil Rogers. I didn't address your list because I thought it sucked. Mine was much wittier. I did address your questions for Bush earlier and I addressed them on every point.

You just don't want to admit that Bush displays more coawrdly traits than Kerry.

I have watched the full testimony before Congress. Kerry clearly call the GOVERNMENT criminals, not the soldiers. He CLEARLY states that the soldiers actions were driven by the policies set forth by the GOVERNMENT and that they had the choice of following policy or dying. Do you want a link to the video?

There are roughly 400,000 military personnel on this island. I talk to them every single day. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone in the Marines, Navy or Army. My little sis is currently serving in Iraq. In my near daily conversations with her, it seems the vast majority in her unit think Bush is an idiot and that they have a better chance of leaving Iraq alive if Kerry is elected.

Yes, the military vote has historically gone Republican, but that was before a lying coward sent soldiers off to die. I wouldn't be too surprized to see a significantly higher number of military personnel voting Kerry this time around. I still don't think it will be the majority, but it will be close.

You just don't want to admit that Bush displays more coawrdly traits than Kerry.

I have watched the full testimony before Congress. Kerry clearly call the GOVERNMENT criminals, not the soldiers. He CLEARLY states that the soldiers actions were driven by the policies set forth by the GOVERNMENT and that they had the choice of following policy or dying. Do you want a link to the video?

There are roughly 400,000 military personnel on this island. I talk to them every single day. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone in the Marines, Navy or Army. My little sis is currently serving in Iraq. In my near daily conversations with her, it seems the vast majority in her unit think Bush is an idiot and that they have a better chance of leaving Iraq alive if Kerry is elected.

Yes, the military vote has historically gone Republican, but that was before a lying coward sent soldiers off to die. I wouldn't be too surprized to see a significantly higher number of military personnel voting Kerry this time around. I still don't think it will be the majority, but it will be close.


...Yeah, your wrong about the military thing. I moved from Virginia Beach, which is located next to Norfolk, Va. The location of the largest naval base on the planet. I go back quite often and have alot of civilian friends as well as military friends. The consesus that I find is that the President still has the solid support of the military. The woman who lives across the street from me is in the reserves and she supports the President 100% and says that everyone she has contact with feels the same way. The military will never support a democrat, especially in troubled times. The military vote won't be close at all. And yes, give me the link to the video that you have of Kerry giving his testimony.

I can't find the video, but here's the transcript. Please feel free to quote from places where you feel he is badmouthing soldiers and not the government who sent them there:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204F.shtml

I can't find the video, but here's the transcript. Please feel free to quote from places where you feel he is badmouthing soldiers and not the government who sent them there:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204F.shtml


...I pulled it up myself a short while ago and I clearly heard him say that the soldiers commited the crimes with knowledge of their superiors and not because they told them to do it. He is attacking the men who commited the alleged crimes and comparing them to Ghengis Khan(in which he butchers the pronunciation). I also heard him support the little ***gity war protestors and say that they were noble and right. I'm sure the Vets that came home to those little pukes in their faces loved that ****. From what I hear of that speach I still feel that he surely deserved a bullet in the back of his head for that nonsense that put our POW's in harms way.

I have watched the full testimony before Congress. Kerry clearly call the GOVERNMENT criminals, not the soldiers. He CLEARLY states that the soldiers actions were driven by the policies set forth by the GOVERNMENT and that they had the choice of following policy or dying. Do you want a link to the video?


....I didn't hear anything about them having to follow policy or dying. Are you making that **** up? Maybe we listened to two different speaches. I just heard his testimony in it's entirity and I think we must be taling about two different John Kerry's.

quotes please, in context.

The most he talks about war crimes are in relating stories told him in Detroit by the people who committed them, were ashamed of themselves for doing so, and were protesting the war.

It's amazing how you managed to listen to an hour of testimony in just a few minutes...

This is the only part of his entire testimony where he talks about fellow warriors committing War Crimes:

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.

It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.

Can you respond with a quote where he says that the soldiers in Vietnam, other than those he refers to above who told their own stories, are war criminals?

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.

It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


....And thats exactly what I'm talking about. The very quote you mention above. You make it sound like they were acting on orders from some evil empire to rape and pilage and that Kerry was only attacking the administration and not the men. Get out of town with that horse****. He clearly attacks the men and not the command.

You're only reading what you want to see. He says that these were stories related to him by them men who commited the atrocites and considered themselves to be war criminals.

Find me a quote in his testimony where he calls someone other than those 150 people, who acknowledge their own atrocities, war criminals.

You can't do simply because HE DOESN'T CALL ANYONE A WAR CRIMINAL WHO DOESN'T LABEL THEMSELF AS ONE ALREADY.

http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/binbush.htm

That's all I have to say about this well-timed "event."

http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/binbush.htm

That's all I have to say about this well-timed "event."

Well, maybe not "all"

http://infowars.com/print/Sept11/cnn_alters.htm?id=783

CNN Alters Bin Laden Video???

By Matthew Houston
GNN | 30 Oct 2002

There are several peculiarities with the CNN version of the latest Bin Laden transmission.
This is very bizarre..

On CNN, the english translation has been covered by arabic translation. Why would a communication in arabic need an arabic subtitle? Who has altered this video?

Was it CNN or someone else?

Compare the CNN screenshot to the video on Al-Jazeera:

CNN screenshot

vs.

Al-Jazeera video

In the Al-Jazeera video, the subtitles are obviously in english. Also, you can see another logo on the left which is obscured in the CNN version (covered by unnecessary arabic translation – or whatever it is)

CNN decided to use the word “state”, instead of the word “nation”, in their report. I find that to be quite interesting.

thus:

“Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe.”

...on CNN reads:

“Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands and each nation which does not harm our security will remain safe.”

If the original engish subtitle said “state”, then the statement is clearly intended to mean “state”. That would seem like the whole reason for providing a specific english translation (reported as the first time al-Qaida has ever done this) in the first place. Yet somehow CNN has still found it more appropriate to use the word “nation”.

In the video, at minute 5:19 (though the text is blurry) you can read for yourself that the word is “state”, not “nation”.

Why are there two different versions of the video? The one shown from the Arab world has english subtitles, and the one from the Western world has Arabic subtitles. That seems backward, doesn't it?

Something seems fishy to me.