Doesn't anyone know about peaking to early? or how to control it?

As of right now I hold punchdrunk as the one that has given me the best Boxing advice...

So I'm def looking for his answer since he's a trainer.. but has anyone else heard of peaking? like from training... and stuff.. I don't know much about it but this guy said i might be peaking too early since my fight isn't for 5 weeks and im already 169 from 185 in about 3 weeks flat.(fights at 165)


.. So what should I do.. IF ANYONE KNOWS PLZZ HELP.. ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE GOOD.


Thanks in advance for serious and informational answers.

Hey I dont really have any solid information on what your asking but I got a question for you. I remember you had a fight about a month or two back did you ever post a link to upload that video. I wanted to check it out, let me know something.

last time I heard of the term "peaking" is when you're already in fighting shape ready to fight, as in reflexes, sharpness, speed, when your body is already in its max level to compete, how to stop it, it's gonna sound funny but I heard by having sex, but don't do it unless you're 100% sure I guess

I can relate to "peaking" very much. Peaking happens when you get use to what you are doing and its almost "boring" to your muscles and body. Sometimes we get stuck in training that is too repetitious and we peak.
Try changing up your training routine. I get in ruts and peak all the time. For example: one week i'll do heavy weight training, and the next week i'll do just peer plyometrics. It can be little changes as running at night inside of the morning, and training the later. Also, taking proper rests will help with peaking too. Sometimes people peak because they are working there body too much and wearing themselves too.

Not saying this is going to work or is right, but i hope it helps. good luck bro.

yo i know u werent talkin about me... im not the trainer punchdrunk for those who have mistaken me for him... but ya all i know about peaking is , everyone has their own peak i guess u can call it lol... like some ppl will peak after a solid 4 week training camp, some people might take 2-3 months... depends on ur training routines and how much weight and how fast ur body can drop that weight and change into prime condition...depends on how many days a week u train during training camp, how many times a day... i guess theres a lot to it.. i think the only way to find out ur peaking time is to just train for weeks str8 and see what week u feel primed in.. and what weeks u definitly feel worn out, mentally exhausted.. feel like not even thinkin about boxing... then u will know

not a bad thing at all.. better than killing yourself to make weight in the last week which would drain you. as soon as you get just under 165, just maintain it. Aslong as you feel stong its all that matters.

you did lose the weight quick though..

Yeah I would think that your actually helping yourself here, maintaining weight is a lot less demanding on your body than dropping. Plus by the sounds of it you won't even have to worry about shedding water weight which is good. But like the athletes at the olympic do, you want to reach your optimal fitness about a week or so out from the fight. Then rest your body and do mainly technique and sparring work to get your form perfect. You then know you are fresh physically, mentally and have the skills that will win your the tourney.

Yeah I would think that your actually helping yourself here, maintaining weight is a lot less demanding on your body than dropping. Plus by the sounds of it you won't even have to worry about shedding water weight which is good. But like the athletes at the olympic do, you want to reach your optimal fitness about a week or so out from the fight. Then rest your body and do mainly technique and sparring work to get your form perfect. You then know you are fresh physically, mentally and have the skills that will win your the tourney.

Thats sounds sorta like what this really good trainer was telling me.. he couldn't talk long though..

Plzz elaborate more on the peaking part. You explained what it was... now..

how about signs? How do i know? Fighting off peak?

Sorry ... i know you might not be able to answer all but i just have alot of questions.

Good reply from Salty. Props!

As far as the IRL guy telling you that you might be peaking too early, I don't think you can necessarily tell by what you weigh. Funny thing is, I read that you were at 169 already, and I was gonna comment on that, but got preoccupied with something else.

I was gonna suggest that you stay around 168-170 until the final week before the fight, and then take off the last few pounds. This is depending on how easily you lose and gain (seems like it's easy). You could probably shed the last 3-4 lbs in the final two days if you wanted to.

As far as peaking, the tougher part of your training should be over within 5-7 days before the fight. What I usually do for the final week with my guys, is shorter workouts (around 60-80 minutes), shorter intervals with emphasis on perfect form and explosiveness. Explosive Med ball throws mimicking each punch(5-6 reps per set, no tiring!), short pad work intervals work/rest ratio of 1 to 1, etc.

hey DA1 i dont know if this will be helpful but here i go, in bodybuilding (as you know i used to be a competitive one ) peaking before a competition was the worst thing it could happen to you, it means you achieved your best conditioning before time, and its way too difficult to hold that condition for an extended period, actually in bodybuilding to peak perfectly you have to aim to the day and hour of the show and if you miss well good luck to you hahaha

In boxing i would say is something similar especially if you are the kind of person that has to drop a ton of weight to reach your class, i would say it can hurt you because if you are in optimum fighting form right now physically and mentally its going to be hard to keep that kind of intensity ( in your mind and work ethic ) until fight night. Technically its almost impossible to peak in boxing so it cant be about your form. Its all about your physique shape and state of mind.

I hope that was any help to you

hey DA1 i dont know if this will be helpful but here i go, in bodybuilding (as you know i used to be a competitive one ) peaking before a competition was the worst thing it could happen to you, it means you achieved your best conditioning before time, and its way too difficult to hold that condition for an extended period, actually in bodybuilding to peak perfectly you have to aim to the day and hour of the show and if you miss well good luck to you hahaha

In boxing i would say is something similar especially if you are the kind of person that has to drop a ton of weight to reach your class, i would say it can hurt you because if you are in optimum fighting form right now physically and mentally its going to be hard to keep that kind of intensity ( in your mind and work ethic ) until fight night. Technically its almost impossible to peak in boxing so it cant be about your form. Its all about your physique shape and state of mind.

I hope that was any help to you

Thats what I wanted to hear...I really wanted it to just be about being mentally ready and all. because then i could train my hardest year round without worrying about this peaking thing... I've never actually heard about it until today.



But on the other side of my mind...


Punchdrunk's sounds like what this trainer was telling me today before he had to leave... So 'm guessing i need to study some of this... because though my trainer is gonna calm me down a week b4 the fight .. i still wanna train year round whenever im not fighting.. and i mean hard... so i kept wondering/worrying about this peaking.

hey DA1 i dont know if this will be helpful but here i go, in bodybuilding (as you know i used to be a competitive one ) peaking before a competition was the worst thing it could happen to you, it means you achieved your best conditioning before time, and its way too difficult to hold that condition for an extended period, actually in bodybuilding to peak perfectly you have to aim to the day and hour of the show and if you miss well good luck to you hahaha

In boxing i would say is something similar especially if you are the kind of person that has to drop a ton of weight to reach your class, i would say it can hurt you because if you are in optimum fighting form right now physically and mentally its going to be hard to keep that kind of intensity ( in your mind and work ethic ) until fight night. Technically its almost impossible to peak in boxing so it cant be about your form. Its all about your physique shape and state of mind.

I hope that was any help to you

I agree, peaking too early is not a good thing. I don't think he has anything to worry about though. I don't see any indication that he has peaked already, in fact, I'm pretty sure he can keep going upwards for the next two weeks. My gues would be that he has never reached his peak/limit before, and as long as he keeps working hard, he can get even better for a while before hitting his roof.

The fact that he is almost at his fighting weight already just means that he doesn't have to worry about it too much. Ah, the luxury! :)

Another quick question punch...


Should i not get to 165 b4 fighting...? should i do the dry out thing?

which is better? or the affects...

Thats what I wanted to hear...I really wanted it to just be about being mentally ready and all. because then i could train my hardest year round without worrying about this peaking thing... I've never actually heard about it until today.



But on the other side of my mind...


Punchdrunk's sounds like what this trainer was telling me today before he had to leave...

One of my kids, who is the national 152 champion here, recently had two weeks off training completely for the first time in about 8 months. It seriously did wonders for him. He came back to basic training in about 85% of his previous peak conditioning, but much stronger and much more explosive. I'd guess that he can now reach 110-120% of his previous peak, which would not have been possible if I'd kept him in training.

Taking time off at the right times is just as important as working your ass off.

One of my kids, who is the national 152 champion here, recently had two weeks off training completely for the first time in about 8 months. It seriously did wonders for him. He came back to basic training in about 85% of his previous peak conditioning, but much stronger and much more explosive. I'd guess that he can now reach 110-120% of his previous peak, which would not have been possible if I'd kept him in training.

Taking time off at the right times is just as important as working your ass off.

WOW.....

THAT is very interesting:boxing:... break and come back stronger.:banana::banana::banana:


I need to speak with my main trainer... i couldn't ask him anything because he comes back again 2mora...

Another quick question punch...


Should i not get to 165 b4 fighting...? should i do the dry out thing?

which is better? or the affects...

Since you're already at 169, it doesn't seem like hitting 165 should be a problem for you. If you'd never been down there, I would have you try and dry out to reach it today, just so we'd know how hard it would be, and so you'd know you could do it. I don't think that's necessary though, so just stay where you are until a week before, and then take off a pound every day or two, so you'll be within a pound the night before. For your size, I'd estimate that you lose at least a pound during a night's sleep, so you should be hitting 165 easily that way, and you'll be strong for your fight, physically as well as mentally.

How much weight do you lose over the course of a training? Before/after weight?

WOW.....

THAT is very interesting:boxing:... break and come back stronger.:banana::banana::banana:


I need to speak with my main trainer... i couldn't ask him anything because he comes back again 2mora...

Yeah, it's quite exciting too see just how much of a difference something like that can do. He really was in need of a break though, so keep in mind that this was a result of the hard, hard work we'd been doing for about eight months straight.

oh yeah i totally agree with you punchdrunk its absolutely important to give the rest your body needs sometimes, dont worry too much about the rest musclememory does wonders,

Dont get me wrong i am not talking like one day you dont feel like boxing and starting going only when you want to thats just being lazy, hahaha its all about recovery from fatigue , training, and fighting and coming back in optimum shape after a couple of weeks so you don't hit a plateau and can keep improving without feeling tired most of the time.

:)

Since you're already at 169, it doesn't seem like hitting 165 should be a problem for you. If you'd never been down there, I would have you try and dry out to reach it today, just so we'd know how hard it would be, and so you'd know you could do it. I don't think that's necessary though, so just stay where you are until a week before, and then take off a pound every day or two, so you'll be within a pound the night before. For your size, I'd estimate that you lose at least a pound during a night's sleep, so you should be hitting 165 easily that way, and you'll be strong for your fight, physically as well as mentally.

How much weight do you lose over the course of a training? Before/after weight?

I train and sometimes *(without my trainers permission)* I use a BAg at home when i shadow box/run/jump rope...

After i do that 3 times it starts to just fall off of me without using the bag for the next 3-4 weeks...

like.. the bag puts my body in a sweat state or losing state and i just start losing.. I never feel drained and I actually feel better and faster... I haven't used the bag for a few weeks since i made that movie...

I was gonna maybe use it this weekend. most times i've went to 165 i've came from 185-180 range...

This is the last tiem though.. im gonna try to just hang around 165-170 now.

hey one more question..... when does the body start eating muscle... I wanna eb sure about that area.

because i've gotten alot leaner and the bulges/love handles are almost gone... and i wanna eb sure i dont start losin muscle.

oh thats all about entering catabolic state, dont worry too much about catabolism its common but to actually see a difference because of this, its hard, as long as you are eating enough calories for your body, you wont enter a catabolic stage, just be sure to eat frequently in small quantities more than just big meals, and dont be afraid of carbs.

If you wanna learn more about catabolism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catabolism

hey one more question..... when does the body start eating muscle... I wanna eb sure about that area.

because i've gotten alot leaner and the bulges/love handles are almost gone... and i wanna eb sure i dont start losin muscle.

That's a tough one to answer in any kind of precise manner... But I'd say at the point where you start feeling weaker. If you're eating smart, and you lose fat as easily as you make it sound, you don't have anything to worry about. Especially since you're already close to your fighting weight.

If you had to go to 152, you might have reason to be worried...

oh yeah i totally agree with you punchdrunk its absolutely important to give the rest your body needs sometimes, dont worry too much about the rest musclememory does wonders,

Dont get me wrong i am not talking like one day you dont feel like boxing and starting going only when you want to thats just being lazy, hahaha its all about recovery from fatigue , training, and fighting and coming back in optimum shape after a couple of weeks so you don't hit a plateau and can keep improving without feeling tired most of the time.

:)

Exactly, it definitely should not be an excuse to get lazy. A good coach should be able to tell when an athlete needs a break, and should be the one to prescribe when and for how long, just like he prescribes the training whens and hows.

Training and rest are two sides of the same coin. :)

Rest is the boring part though.....


But yea imma go sleep now cuz i been up since 7am WEd. and its 2 am Thurs the next day lol...

prally not too good for me to do that.

oh and punch i lose 2 pounds when i get a nights sleep. saw you mention sumthin about it b4.


THANX FOR THE HELP YOU 2... ITS REALLY HELPED ME FIGURE SOME STUFF OUT.

THANKS AGAIN.

Man, what a great thread. The advice here is fantastic and is a very welcome break from some of the crap we have to sludge through.

Sorry, just had to say that. Props to all. Oh, and good luck Cat!

I think they answered the questions you asked me mate, peaking is just as much mental as it is body. The worry about your weight is that you might "get lazy" when you have reached the desired level, like when you see an overweight person dieting. They finally reach their weight goal, some of them then "treat" themselves to fast food, etc. they then put on weight and demotivate themselves... The key then is to keep your mind active and your fitness growing to the point that you go into the fight and have no thought in your mind that you are going to lose. You've worked harder, trained smarter and are a better boxer than the person you are about to go into battle with, once you have done this, that is your peak mentally and pysically.

PEAKING is when you reach your best point...

peaking to eraly is only bad is your phsically drained, as you will be putting too much strain on your body for to long,

however if you feel better and healthyer then tis fine