....Regarding the top 4, do you agree with him?

For those who forget here it is:

Newcastle boss Kevin Keegan fears the domination of the Premier League's top four is a threat to the top flight.

Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool will again head the division for the third season running as they leave the rest trailing in their wake.

"Maybe the owner thinks we can bridge that gap - but we can't," said Keegan after Monday's 2-0 loss to Chelsea.

"This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."

Keegan replaced Sam Allardyce at St James' Park in January and his comments will have extra resonance as he is renowned as one of the game's eternal optimists.

He feels fifth is the best the clubs outside the 'big four' can realistically aim for - even with plenty of funds.



I agree that the top 4 is too big of a gap to reach but i've underlined the part disagre with. How does having 4 teams contesting for a title boring? The title went right down to the wire ffs so I don't see how it's boring. Keegan is a good guy but way off if you ask me.

Yes, when was the last time someone broke the top 4? let alone the top 2.

....Regarding the top 4, do you agree with him?

For those who forget here it is:

Newcastle boss Kevin Keegan fears the domination of the Premier League's top four is a threat to the top flight.

Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool will again head the division for the third season running as they leave the rest trailing in their wake.

"Maybe the owner thinks we can bridge that gap - but we can't," said Keegan after Monday's 2-0 loss to Chelsea.

"This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."

Keegan replaced Sam Allardyce at St James' Park in January and his comments will have extra resonance as he is renowned as one of the game's eternal optimists.

He feels fifth is the best the clubs outside the 'big four' can realistically aim for - even with plenty of funds.



I agree that the top 4 is too big of a gap to reach but i've underlined the part disagre with. How does having 4 teams contesting for a title boring? The title went right down to the wire ffs so I don't see how it's boring. Keegan is a good guy but way off if you ask me.

Well the thing is four teams didn't contest the title. At the start of the season we all thought four teams had a chance of winning it but realistically Liverpool were out of the race before the turn of the year and Arsenal faded badly in the final quarter of the season. More often than not the Premiership is a two horse race.

I think Everton pipped Liverpool to 4th a few seasons ago, and Sir Bob turn a relagation threatend team one season to 3rd the in the table the next season.

I seem to remember Everton making it into the top four a few years ago. 4th place is there to be taken if Liverpool **** up again or even Arsenal, it's up to the chasing teams like Spurs or Everton to step up and bring in some good players. Spurs have already started by bringing in Modric.

Seriously, having 4 teams contesting for the title isn't boring, far from it. This doesn't happen anywhere in the other leagues.

yep I think your right, it is more of a case of top two than top four.

I think Everton pipped Liverpool to 4th a few seasons ago, and Sir Bob turn a relagation threatend team one season to 3rd the in the table the next season.

That was in 2004, since then it been all Arsenal, Chealsea, Man Utd, Liverpool.

Newcastle finished in top 4 the two years before that.

Before last season ( the one that’s just ended) Big Sam was bookies fav to threaten the top 4.

Well the thing is four teams didn't contest the title. At the start of the season we all thought four teams had a chance of winning it but realistically Liverpool were out of the race before the turn of the year and Arsenal faded badly in the final quarter of the season. More often than not the Premiership is a two horse race.

True, but it started with Arsenal as early favourites, then it was Man Utd and Arsenal, Chelsea was also in the mix. Arsenal faded away which left Man Utd and Chelsea to fight for the title on the last day. Boring? I think not.

True, but it started with Arsenal as early favourites, then it was Man Utd and Arsenal, Chelsea was also in the mix. Arsenal faded away which left Man Utd and Chelsea to fight for the title on the last day. Boring? I think not.

It is if your not a fan of the top four teams.

If it wasn't for the African Nations Cup I think Chelsea wound have won the league few weeks ago, did Fergie know this and that is why last season he bought European players and not Africans, underlining his status as a legend as a manger or was it pure look that he went with European stars and not African super men.

....Regarding the top 4, do you agree with him?

For those who forget here it is:

Newcastle boss Kevin Keegan fears the domination of the Premier League's top four is a threat to the top flight.

Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool will again head the division for the third season running as they leave the rest trailing in their wake.

"Maybe the owner thinks we can bridge that gap - but we can't," said Keegan after Monday's 2-0 loss to Chelsea.

"This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."

Keegan replaced Sam Allardyce at St James' Park in January and his comments will have extra resonance as he is renowned as one of the game's eternal optimists.

He feels fifth is the best the clubs outside the 'big four' can realistically aim for - even with plenty of funds.



I agree that the top 4 is too big of a gap to reach but i've underlined the part disagre with. How does having 4 teams contesting for a title boring? The title went right down to the wire ffs so I don't see how it's boring. Keegan is a good guy but way off if you ask me.


ITS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE IMO

AW has brought success to Arsenal on limited money and built a 60 thousand seater stadium in the process ,and why i realise we have not had success in the last few years that has been down to financial restraints

let me tell u something if any team in the last 5 years has had more chance of breaking into the top 4 its Newcastle the money they pay out in wages attracts players they ordinarily would 'nt get on a smaller budget & thier transfer kitty allows them to spend more than Arsenal have in the last 3/4 years and still they have'nt broke into the top 4 its about miss managment appointing the wrong managers not having the right chairman & buying the wrong players mercinarys like Kluivert & Parker ,Emre ,Owen ,Viduka that are thier for the wages

sour grapes ,bitterness IMO ,Keegan is just trying to work his chairman to squeeze cash out of him

its like West ham ,Newcastle spend money but they dont spend it wisely West Ham go out and by the likes of Upson,Dyer,Ljungberg and then moan when they get injured HELLO take a look how many games they have played over the coarse of thier career its not a secret that these players are sicknotes , Newcastle can afford to go out and spend 17 mil on Michael Owen that is more of an advantage than many other teams in the top 8 get financially

stop moaning cause u have no reason to moan it is pure jelousy and bitterness ,the premieship maybe boring for the clubs outside the top 4 but lets face it every league in the world is like that its not boring IMO but it is predictable there is a difference

Realistically, i think only Tottenham have a serious hope of breaking into the top 4 next season.

You build your own success, United have been doing it for the past 16 - 17 years, granted with a bit of money, but your build your own income aswell, each to it's own I think.

Arsenal have done the same with less income.

Chelsea were occasionally making the top 4 pre Abramovich.

Liverpool the same.

Leeds and Newcastle have both done the same, but bad mis-management off the field has ****ed em up.

The top four is getting stronger, Liverpool had a poor season compared to the other three but still made 76 points which is their 3rd highest score in the Premier League.

Its hard for Liverpool to compete with Man U and Chelsea let alone anyone outside of the top four.

Everton were the last team to do it in the 2004/2005 season. I think it was our best chance to break the top 4 this year again with us been close or ahead of Liverpool at times this season but injuries played it's toll on us and we let it slip. I think you now have to have quality squad in depth if you are to break the top 4.

The top four is getting stronger, Liverpool had a poor season compared to the other three but still made 76 points which is their 3rd highest score in the Premier League.

Its hard for Liverpool to compete with Man U and Chelsea let alone anyone outside of the top four.

thats because Benitez wastes money on players that are'nt good enough it might be a couple of million here and there but it soon mounts up

Aurellio ,pennent ,palleta ,Gonzlaez,Josemi,Kujt ,arbelloa are not sufficient quality players to help Liverpool win the league

Mascherano 17/18 million ,Torres 26/27 milliion


Bentiez spends money like Liverpool have an embarrassment of wealth when in reallity that aint the case Torres & Mascerano are both quality players but are they 4/5 times better than Cesc Fabregas ,Van Persie ,Adebayor ,no IMO they aint if AW had been offered that kind of money to spend he would have brought more than 2 players with it ,and when u consider Arsenal & Liverpools financial constraints it would make perfect sense to spend it on of a few players as apose to 2

its okay buying 2 ready made super stars but if u aint Man Utd or Chelsea more than likely u will have to pay the price for spending so big, in the next season summer spending if u need to add quality then u are up against it even more

its not how much u spend its how u spend it Newcastle ,Everton ,Totenham have all outspent Arsenal for the last 3/4 years ,yet Arsenal were top of the league for most of the season and went to the quarter finals of the CL and IMO the only reason they failed in both compeitions is because they cannot defend they were the second highest scorers in the league last year along wiht Man utd ,however they could 'not even keep a clean sheet against pittafull Derby County the other week

Yes on the whole but the premier league is not boring.

No offence to Newcastle United fans but it was about time somebody said they were not a top four club they may be able to break into it if they sort out there defencive problems however keegan likes offensive football so I doubt this will happen.

Ofcourse it's boring. We all know what the top 4 will be next season, and we all know that one of Chelsea or Man U will be champs, that is evidence enough.

In a way i blame my own club Newcastle for this, when Roman took over Chelsea our finances were on a similar level to Liverpool's and we could have continued to compete had we replaced Robson properly. If we had done that maybe that 4th CL spot would be open and more interchangeable.

By the way the time Everton broke the top 4 is pretty irrelevant, they didn't capitalize on it and didn't even make it into the champions league. We all knew Pool would be back the next year. And since then the 4 teams have really kicked on on and off the field.

It's not impossible to break the top 4, but it is going to take something massive. Maybe Man U will disintegrate when Fergie retires, or Arsenal when Wenger retires, or Pool. All 3 teams would suffer if they dropped out of the CL places because of their debt.

Ofcourse it's boring. We all know what the top 4 will be next season, and we all know that one of Chelsea or Man U will be champs, that is evidence enough.

In a way i blame my own club Newcastle for this, when Roman took over Chelsea our finances were on a similar level to Liverpool's and we could have continued to compete had we replaced Robson properly. If we had done that maybe that 4th CL spot would be open and more interchangeable.

By the way the time Everton broke the top 4 is pretty irrelevant, they didn't capitalize on it and didn't even make it into the champions league. We all knew Pool would be back the next year. And since then the 4 teams have really kicked on on and off the field.

It's not impossible to break the top 4, but it is going to take something massive. Maybe Man U will disintegrate when Fergie retires, or Arsenal when Wenger retires, or Pool. All 3 teams would suffer if they dropped out of the CL places because of their debt.




no its not boring it is predictable there is a difference Newcastle fans should STFU they are bitter just like thier manager ,if Arsene Wener was Newcastles manager & he had half the money to spend that previous Newcastle managers have had they would believe they could break the top 4 & that would be a realistic target IMO

BTW ,Arsenal wil be fine soon enough they will not be in debt for long because the club is run properly ,AW will not put the club at risk he has stated that even if it means a few trophyless seasons in Arsene we trust ,Top of the league for most of the year ,quarter finals of the CL on a shoe string budget

like i said it aint how much money u got its who u buy ,u live and die by your signings ,Newcastle either waste money on inferior players or they pay out huge wages for players that are only thier to collect thier wage at the end of the week

Newcastle aint got no divine right to be top 4 anyway they aint as big as Everton ,spurs ,Villa so why do they think they are entitled or get bitter towards the league cause they aint in the top 4 my advice :bottle:

no its not boring it is predictable there is a difference Newcastle fans should STFU they are bitter just like thier manager ,if Arsene Wener was Newcastles manager & he had half the money to spend that previous Newcastle managers have had they would believe they could break the top 4 & that would be a realistic target IMO

BTW ,Arsenal wil be fine soon enough they will not be in debt for long because the club is run properly ,AW will not put the club at risk he has stated that even if it means a few trophyless seasons in Arsene we trust ,Top of the league for most of the year ,quarter finals of the CL on a shoe string budget

like i said it aint how much money u got its who u buy ,u live and die by your signings ,Newcastle either waste money on inferior players or they pay out huge wages for players that are only thier to collect thier wage at the end of the week

Newcastle aint got no divine right to be top 4 anyway they aint as big as Everton ,spurs ,Villa so why do they think they are entitled or get bitter towards the league cause they aint in the top 4 my advice :bottle:

Deary me, this isn't about Newcastle, it's about the league.

In sport predictable IS boring for me, and Keegan agrees. Other premiership managers have also lined up to agree with him, Ramos, O'Neill, Keane, Redknapp, and probably others. Not all of these people are "bitter" or think they have a divine right to be in the top 4, which doesn't really make any sense because if a club had a divine right to be in the top 4 they would be there every year and we would have the same problem. Bizarre thing to say.

Under the current climate could Wenger break the top 4 with another club without spending big? I say no, this isn't the 90s. These days the cheap youngsters that Wenger has built Arsenal on all go to CL clubs, without the CL there is no Fabregas et al. Could he do it in the PAST had he been in charge at Newcastle? Sure, like i said Newcastle used to be on a par with Liverpool financially but we didn't take advantage of it after Robson left. You saying Newcastle has been mismanaged is no revelation, we all know about Freddy Shepherd. Now though? Like i said, any manager would need big money, this includes Wenger, Mourinho, Lippi, whoever you care to mention.

Top 4 fans seem to think this is an attack on their club, like they're getting blamed. That's not the case, it's just a comment on the state of the league as a whole. It's better than ever in terms of quality, but it lacks competition and is predictable. I'm amazed that Keegans comments are being questioned.

This season liverpool will finish in the top three.
Torres is a ****in goal machine, expect him to score as many as Ronaldo next season, Arsenal are touch and go but i think they could drop down or maybe Chelsea if they lose against man u i think players will leave.

Deary me, this isn't about Newcastle, it's about the league.

In sport predictable IS boring for me, and Keegan agrees. Other premiership managers have also lined up to agree with him, Ramos, O'Neill, Keane, Redknapp, and probably others. Not all of these people are "bitter" or think they have a divine right to be in the top 4, which doesn't really make any sense because if a club had a divine right to be in the top 4 they would be there every year and we would have the same problem.Bizarre thing to say.

Under the current climate could Wenger break the top 4 with another club without spending big? I say no, this isn't the 90s. These days the cheap youngsters that Wenger has built Arsenal on all go to CL clubs, without the CL there is no Fabregas et al. Could he do it in the PAST had he been in charge at Newcastle? Sure, like i said Newcastle used to be on a par with Liverpool financially but we didn't take advantage of it after Robson left. You saying Newcastle has been mismanaged is no revelation, we all know about Freddy Shepherd. Now though? Like i said, any manager would need big money, this includes Wenger, Mourinho, Lippi, whoever you care to mention.

Top 4 fans seem to think this is an attack on their club, like they're getting blamed. That's not the case, it's just a comment on the state of the league as a whole. It's better than ever in terms of quality, but it lacks competition and is predictable. I'm amazed that Keegans comments are being questioned.


1. It does make sense if u are hypocrite who is only moaning because u aint in the top 4

2 . most Sports are predictable but thats is not to say they are boring ,is it a coincidence that its only boring to the people outside the top 4 its pure jelousy simple as that ,boring is lack of entertaining football not lack of competition between the top 4 in the league and the rest of the league , every league in Europe has a top 2 /3 with the rest pretty much making up the numbers and its been like that for years every team throughout history has gone through a successfull patch winning everything sweeping up trophy after trophy ,Liverpool then Man Utd etc

3 .of Coarse Keegan is being questioned Newcastle are a mid table club they should not expect to breaking into the top 4 next year but thats not because the league is impossible its because Newcastle have a lot of ground work to lay before they can even entertain getting into the top 4 ,its plain and basic commonsense

4 spurs ,totenham ,Newcastle everton have all spent considerably more than Arsenal over the last 3/4 years but clearly Arsenal have spent wisely that is why they are above them its that simple ,so u dont need big money but u do need the right managment team to recruit the right players and manage your financies efficiently ,Arsenal nearly fell out of the top 4 cause they were building a new side laying the ground work and now Arsenal are seeing the fruits of that ,Newcastle need to lay the ground work again cause their managment of the club is terrible they keep choppingand changing managers and giving players huge contracts ,of coarse they have 'nt got a chance of getting in the top 4 next year they were no where near it this year and have layed NO ground work to be able to expect to be in it next year

Everton ,Villa ,totenham are laying the groud work and they are getting closer and if they continue to do that they may bridge the gap but it aint gonna happen over night the same as Man Utc ,Arsenal ,Liverpool were'nt successfull over night

Mis-management such as sacking Allardyce after what 6 months. Problem is the teams outside the top 4 are so desperate for success, they don't have the patience, Everton have financial constraints until they move to a new ground.
Spurs you could say are in a similar fold.
Villa have potential as they have a good manager in O'Neill and a good owner with money in Randy Lerner.
City's owner obviously hasn't got the patience with the imminent sacking of Sven by the looks of things, so the ball will never get rolling there.

The old cliche of Fergie is used but it's true, it took him 7 seasons to bring the league title back to United.
4 seasons to win his 1st trophy with them, proving that patience is a virtue.

Mis-management such as sacking Allardyce after what 6 months. Problem is the teams outside the top 4 are so desperate for success, they don't have the patience, Everton have financial constraints until they move to a new ground.
Spurs you could say are in a similar fold.
Villa have potential as they have a good manager in O'Neill and a good owner with money in Randy Lerner.
City's owner obviously hasn't got the patience with the imminent sacking of Sven by the looks of things, so the ball will never get rolling there.

The old cliche of Fergie is used but it's true, it took him 7 seasons to bring the league title back to United.
4 seasons to win his 1st trophy with them, proving that patience is a virtue.

i agree 100% that is a top post

Newcastle should not expect to be in the top 4 not because it is impossible but because commonsense says that thier are other clubs that have had stability and have been building to a plan longer than they have

Deary me, this isn't about Newcastle, it's about the league.

In sport predictable IS boring for me, and Keegan agrees. Other premiership managers have also lined up to agree with him, Ramos, O'Neill, Keane, Redknapp, and probably others. Not all of these people are "bitter" or think they have a divine right to be in the top 4, which doesn't really make any sense because if a club had a divine right to be in the top 4 they would be there every year and we would have the same problem. Bizarre thing to say.

Under the current climate could Wenger break the top 4 with another club without spending big? I say no, this isn't the 90s. These days the cheap youngsters that Wenger has built Arsenal on all go to CL clubs, without the CL there is no Fabregas et al. Could he do it in the PAST had he been in charge at Newcastle? Sure, like i said Newcastle used to be on a par with Liverpool financially but we didn't take advantage of it after Robson left. You saying Newcastle has been mismanaged is no revelation, we all know about Freddy Shepherd. Now though? Like i said, any manager would need big money, this includes Wenger, Mourinho, Lippi, whoever you care to mention.

Top 4 fans seem to think this is an attack on their club, like they're getting blamed. That's not the case, it's just a comment on the state of the league as a whole. It's better than ever in terms of quality, but it lacks competition and is predictable. I'm amazed that Keegans comments are being questioned.

During his ten years in charge of Arsenal, Arsene Wenger has accumulated a net spend of £40M. That is just £4M per season and in that time he has won three Premiership titles and reached a Champions League final. A quite remarkable achievement and one which he could surely have equaled wherever he managed.

Mis-management such as sacking Allardyce after what 6 months. Problem is the teams outside the top 4 are so desperate for success, they don't have the patience, Everton have financial constraints until they move to a new ground.
Spurs you could say are in a similar fold.
Villa have potential as they have a good manager in O'Neill and a good owner with money in Randy Lerner.
City's owner obviously hasn't got the patience with the imminent sacking of Sven by the looks of things, so the ball will never get rolling there.

The old cliche of Fergie is used but it's true, it took him 7 seasons to bring the league title back to United.
4 seasons to win his 1st trophy with them, proving that patience is a virtue.

Mismanagement to sack someone who you didn't appoint and didn't want to back in the market? That's smart to me, Ashley shouldn't feel obligated to back someone(i repeat, who he DIDN'T appoint) just because they haven't been in the job very long. Not to mention he was making a pigs ear out of it.

i agree 100% that is a top post

Newcastle should not expect to be in the top 4 not because it is impossible but because commonsense says that thier are other clubs that have had stability and have been building to a plan longer than they have

I don't understand what you mean by this, you keep talking about "expecting" to be in the top 4, Newcastle do not expect to be in the top 4. Keegan obviously does not expect to break the top 4. Everyone i've spoken to hopes for a top 10 or top 8 place next year, so obviously the fans don't expect a top 4 place. So who exactly are you talking about?

You talk about spending, but all of this spending is on mediocre players. a CL can spend less but on more quality simply because they can attract the players. Fabregas is Arsenals star player and was peanuts, could Spurs or Everton have singed him? No, they don't have a top 4 place.

I disagree about Everton, Spurs, and Villa getting closer. All i see is the gap widening.

I think your missing the point of what Keegan is saying. He isn't saying "Newcastle deserve to be in the top 4", he is saying we KNOW who will be in the top 4 next season. If you disagree eith that and think it will be broken then feel free, but please stop banging on about Newcastle and expectations because it is really irrelevant.

During his ten years in charge of Arsenal, Arsene Wenger has accumulated a net spend of £40M. That is just £4M per season and in that time he has won three Premiership titles and reached a Champions League final. A quite remarkable achievement and one which he could surely have equaled wherever he managed.

yeah and that is why the board let him do what he wants with the club cause they trust him and his judgement

to the Newcastle fans : dont u think AW could have put massive debt onto the club in a desperate attempt to win trophys of coarse he could but a club needs to be run properly & the last thing u need is to chop and change from year to year ,get tht right man in and stick by him if u believe in him

Keegan aint the right man IMO

True, but it started with Arsenal as early favourites, then it was Man Utd and Arsenal, Chelsea was also in the mix. Arsenal faded away which left Man Utd and Chelsea to fight for the title on the last day. Boring? I think not.

I think a good title race will always be about how close together the teams involved are more so than how many there are. Most leagues this season have seen a two horse race or a one horse race. Real Madrid ran away with it in Spain. Inter and Roma are close in Italy. Bayern Munich dominated in Germany. Lyon and Bordeaux are going to the last day in France.

In all honesty, I usually find the relegation battle the most exciting aspect of the Premiership as it almost always goes until the last day and you can be sure that a team who looked doomed will make a late comeback.

Mismanagement to sack someone who you didn't appoint and didn't want to back in the market? That's smart to me, Ashley shouldn't feel obligated to back someone(i repeat, who he DIDN'T appoint) just because they haven't been in the job very long. Not to mention he was making a pigs ear out of it.



I don't understand what you mean by this, you keep talking about "expecting" to be in the top 4, Newcastle do not expect to be in the top 4. Keegan obviously does not expect to break the top 4. Everyone i've spoken to hopes for a top 10 or top 8 place next year, so obviously the fans don't expect a top 4 place. So who exactly are you talking about?

You talk about spending, but all of this spending is on mediocre players. a CL can spend less but on more quality simply because they can attract the players. Fabregas is Arsenals star player and was peanuts, could Spurs or Everton have singed him? No, they don't have a top 4 place.

I disagree about Everton, Spurs, and Villa getting closer. All i see is the gap widening.

I think your missing the point of what Keegan is saying. He isn't saying "Newcastle deserve to be in the top 4", he is saying we KNOW who will be in the top 4 next season. If you disagree eith that and think it will be broken then feel free, but please stop banging on about Newcastle and expectations because it is really irrelevant.


just refer back to Mozza post :owned:

Fabregas would not have joined Arsenal when AW arrived he only joined for 1st team football and because Arsenal at that point were a successfull club

Newcastle have had more finiancial backing than Arsenal and they are behind us so what is your arguement money means nothing its about laying plans and recruiting the fight players dont talk to me about attracting players Emre ,Owen ,Parker ,Kluivert would not be Newcastle players if they were 'nt on small fortunes ,Arsenal attract kids and develop them because they offer them 1st team football and develop them

yeah and that is why the board let him do what he wants with the club cause they trust him and his judgement

to the Newcastle fans : dont u think AW could have put massive debt onto the club in a desperate attempt to win trophys of coarse he could but a club needs to be run properly & the last thing u need is to chop and change from year to year ,get tht right man in and stick by him if u believe in him

Keegan aint the right man IMO

I agree, when you get the right man you should stick with him.

I'm getting sick of you ridding Wengers ****. When was the last time you won anything?

I agree with Keegan that the top 4 will probably be the same, but to say it's boring is what I disagree with, which is why I've picked up on Newcastle as an example.
Have a look around some of the other top leagues, Real Madrid won the title a few games ago and are almost 20 points clear of Barca in 3rd place.
United won the league on the last game of the season by 2 points, and are only 4 points ahead of Arsenal in 3rd spot.
We had 3 teams battling it out to avoid 2 relegation spots on the last game of the season.
We've had an interesting battle for UEFA Cup qualification.
1st time in years that a team outside the "big four" hasn't reached an FA Cup final.
Same with the League Cup.
So if anything this year has been more diverse than ever.

just refer back to Mozza post :owned:

Fabregas would not have joined Arsenal when AW arrived he only joined for 1st team football and because Arsenal at that point were a successfull club

Exactly my point. Fabregas went to Arsenal because they were a CL club. You talk about Arsenals spending, but a non CL club would not be able to sign such players, instead they're left to fight bidding wars over the likes of Darren Bent.

Newcastle have had more finiancial backing than Arsenal and they are behind us so what i your arguement money means nothing its about laying plans and recruiting the fight players dont talk to me about attracting players Emre ,Owen ,Parker ,Kluivert would not be Newcastle players if they were 'nt on small fortunes ,Arsenal attract kids and develop them because they offer them 1st team football and develop them

Like i've said twice already, Newcastle have been mismanaged. We've hired the wrong managers, bought the wrong players, and paid people too much. All 4 of those players you've mentioned would be classed as the "wrong players". Owen is a crock, Parker had spent a year doing nothing, Kluivert was on the way down, and Emre is totally not suited for the premiership.

I'm getting sick of you ridding Wengers ****. When was the last time you won anything?

im gettin sick of Newcastle fans whinning and *****ing about other peoples clubs infact u are the worst of all :bottle:

I'm getting sick of you ridding Wengers ****. When was the last time you won anything?

ditto :owned:

The way things are going at Arsenal a top 10 finish next season would be an amazing result. The reason you don't buy top players is because you are £300m in debt and that won't be clear until 2030...

Arsène Wenger is most likely leaving this summer and your star players will follow.

I agree with Keegan that the top 4 will probably be the same, but to say it's boring is what I disagree with, which is why I've picked up on Newcastle as an example.
Have a look around some of the other top leagues, Real Madrid won the title a few games ago and are almost 20 points clear of Barca in 3rd place.
United won the league on the last game of the season by 2 points, and are only 4 points ahead of Arsenal in 3rd spot.
We had 3 teams battling it out to avoid 2 relegation spots on the last game of the season.
We've had an interesting battle for UEFA Cup qualification.
1st time in years that a team outside the "big four" hasn't reached an FA Cup final.
Same with the League Cup.
So if anything this year has been more diverse than ever.

The reason it's boring is that clubs don't really have anything to aim for in the league apart from the UEFA cup, and in that only gets good in the quarter finals, and the financial rewards are relatively small. I've seen my club in both and let me tell you the waffa cup isn't 100th as exciting. Even for Everton fans i think breaking the top 4 seems like a massive mountain to climb, and they're in 5th place. It really does seem like a closed shop. Everton have been building for a few years and Spurs have been spending lots of money reasonably wisely, and still they're a million miles away. Atleast in Spain there's 2 CL spots up for grabs.

Top 4 fans have to try not to see Keegan's comments as an insult and try and look at it from a non top 4 fans perspective.

Exactly my point. Fabregas went to Arsenal because they were a CL club. You talk about Arsenals spending, but a non CL club would not be able to sign such players, instead they're left to fight bidding wars over the likes of Darren Bent.



Like i've said twice already, Newcastle have been mismanaged. We've hired the wrong managers, bought the wrong players, and paid people too much. All 4 of those players you've mentioned would be classed as the "wrong players". Owen is a crock, Parker had spent a year doing nothing, Kluivert was on the way down, and Emre is totally not suited for the premiership.

yeah cause Arsenal were in CL when AW 1st came were'nt they thats why he was able to attract those players then:nonono:

there are plenty of young talented players Newcastle could buy and develop but there aint got the right set up simple as that ,they want instant success so they spend money on experienced players who alsomst always want guranteed CL football

they should be working on buying young established talented players not injury prone players or players that just wanna play for the wage packet ,the trouble with Newcastle is they can attract players but thats half the problem they can only attract them with huge wages & long contracts and most the time those players that come in want to sit on those contracts & chill the **** out, im suprised they did'nt offer Saviola a contract it seems when ever there is a player out of contract u can bet your life that Newcastle will offer him a fat contract that no one else is willing to pay


i mean who wanted Michael Owen hardly anybody yet Newcastle thought it would be a good idea to spend 17/18 mil on him when they already had Martins who they also bought for 10/15 mil ,Newcastle have no right to complain that they dont have a realistic chance of getting in the top 4 next year

The way things are going at Arsenal a top 10 finish next season would be an amazing result. The reason you don't buy top players is because you are £300m in debt and that won't be clear until 2030...

Arsène Wenger is most likely leaving this summer and your star players will follow.

LOL

The only one leaving next year is Michael Owen and for 7 million

Newcastle are the one in debt son thats why they asking Owen to take a pay cut

yeah cause Arsenal were in CL when AW 1st came were'nt they thats why he was able to attract those players then:nonono:

there are plenty of young talented players Newcastle could buy and develop but there aint got the right set up simple as that ,they want instant success so they spend money on experienced players who alsomst always want guranteed CL football

they should be working on buying young established talented players not injury prone players or players that just wanna play for the wage packet ,the trouble with Newcastle is they can attract players but thats half the problem they can only attract them with huge wages & long contracts and most the time those players that come in want to sit on those contracts & chill the **** out, im suprised they did'nt offer Saviola a contract it seems when ever there is a player out of contract u can bet your life that Newcastle will offer him a fat contract that no one else is willing to pay


i mean who wanted Michael Owen hardly anybody yet Newcastle thought it would be a good idea to spend 17/18 mil on him when they already had Martins who they also bought for 10/15 mil ,Newcastle have no right to complain that they dont have a realistic chance of getting in the top 4 next year

Times have changed since Wenger first moved to Arsenal, the premiership is a very different beast. I don't believe someone could built a club up like that with the same success.

Again we agree that Newcastle have been mismanaged, i've said this 3 times now.

LOL

The only one leaving next year is Michael Owen and for 7 million

Newcastle are the one in debt son thats why they asking Owen to take a pay cut

I don't really want to get involved in Rizooms little argument but we actually have no debt. Although it would be smart to cut down on wages.

Times have changed since Wenger first moved to Arsenal, the premiership is a very different beast. I don't believe someone could built a club up like that with the same success.

Again we agree that Newcastle have been mismanaged, i've said this 3 times now.

yes and why do u think i keep repeating it cause that is the real reason Newcastle aint got a realistic chance of getting in the top 4 next year not cause they dont have the funds of Chelsea Man Utd , or because it is impossible

u say u have said it 3 times the point is though that aint about to change cause Keegan is the wrong man to have incharge they are still being mismanaged they sacked Allardyce after 6 months

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yes and why do u think i keep repeating it cause that is the real reason Newcastle aint got a realistic chance of getting in the top 4 next year not cause they dont have the funds of Chelsea Man Utd , or because it is impossible

u say u have said it 3 times the point is though that aint about to change cause Keegan is the wrong man to have incharge they are still being mismanaged they sacked Allardyce after 6 months

Like i've said, this isn't about NEWCASTLE not being able to break the top 4, it's about NOBODY being able to do it. I agree that the reason Newcastle aren't up there is because we've been mismanaged, it's because we had a mentalist chairman that didn't replace Robson properly. There's not need to keep telling me something that i know, and have acknowledged that i know 3 times.

Sacking Allardyce wasn't mismanagement IMO, that was a new owner sacking a manager that he didn't appoint and didn't want to back in the market. Nothing wrong with that. Plus Allardyce was doing an awful job which didn't help his cause, he should've been sacked solely for playing Smith every game, nevermind everything else. The new board should be given a chance before people saying they're doing badly. Take into account that they wiped out our debt before slagging them off, so far so good as far as i'm concerned.

LOL

The only one leaving next year is Michael Owen and for 7 million

Newcastle are the one in debt son thats why they asking Owen to take a pay cut

Newcastle have no debts. :ugh:

The reason Owen is getting a pay cut because he is getting too much for what he is giving and I think its a great idea. He plays better and he gets a rise next season.

It's a known fact that Wenger is leaving this summer. Last year he promised to stay until summer 2008...what year is it I wonder?

Alexander Hleb, Mathieu Flamini and Philippe Senderos all leaving, don't you wonder why that is?

Like i've said, this isn't about NEWCASTLE not being able to break the top 4, it's about NOBODY being able to do it. I agree that the reason Newcastle aren't up there is because we've been mismanaged, it's because we had a mentalist chairman that didn't replace Robson properly. There's not need to keep telling me something that i know, and have acknowledged that i know 3 times.

Sacking Allardyce wasn't mismanagement IMO, that was a new owner sacking a manager that he didn't appoint and didn't want to back in the market. Nothing wrong with that. Plus Allardyce was doing an awful job which didn't help his cause, he should've been sacked solely for playing Smith every game, nevermind everything else. The new board should be given a chance before people saying they're doing badly. Take into account that they wiped out our debt before slagging them off, so far so good as far as i'm concerned.


that is absolute tosh about nobody being able to do it ,no one will do it the majority of peoples opinion but that does equal a boring league predictable maybe but it dont mean its impossibly to bridge th gap cause its been done before and every league in the world has an elite 2/3 teams that win the league & domestic trophys every year that has been happen throughout history it is not new

the Premiership is one the most exciting leagues in the world the only people who label it boring are just jelous Keegan would' not be saying it if Newcastle were in 4 place simple as that u cannot dent that he is spitting his dummy out as far as im concerned he is trying to squeeze money out of his chairman or to cover his back cause if things go bad he has something to fall back on

when or if he fails he will say i did'nt have this i did'nt have that i said this before the season even started

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yes and why do u think i keep repeating it cause that is the real reason Newcastle aint got a realistic chance of getting in the top 4 next year not cause they dont have the funds of Chelsea Man Utd , or because it is impossible

u say u have said it 3 times the point is though that aint about to change cause Keegan is the wrong man to have incharge they are still being mismanaged they sacked Allardyce after 6 months

Who is better than Keegan and why is he not right for Newcastle? He came in a took over someone else team and actually got them winning again. Last time he was in charge were the greatest years of the premier league. Everyones 2nd team was Newcastle because they played such great football.

Beating Man Utd 5-0, Spurs 7-1, 3-2 Barca (Tino hatrick).

The greatest game in the premier league was Newcastle vs Liverpool. These game were so much more exciting than a 1-0 win like Arsneal and Chealsea so often get.

Newcastle have no debts. :ugh:

The reason Owen is getting a pay cut because he is getting too much for what he is giving and I think its a great idea. He plays better and he gets a rise next season.

It's a known fact that Wenger is leaving this summer. Last year he promised to stay until summer 2008...what year is it I wonder?

Alexander Hleb, Mathieu Flamini and Philippe Senderos all leaving, don't you wonder why that is?

1 . do u think Michael Owen wil take a pay cut no way he will walk for 7 million for the insult ,Man Utd wil sign him

2 AW leaving 1st ive heard of it sour grapes

3 im glad Senderos is going if thats true LOL ,Flamini aint as good as Denilson ive wanted Denilson to get more game time anyway ,Arsenal have contacted Ben Arfa people already & are linked with Vincnet Kompany ,Nasri

suck it loser :bottle:

Owen is worth more than £7m and if he isn't, that is exactly why he is getting a pay cut.

Owen is worth more than £7m and if he isn't, that is exactly why he is getting a pay cut.

i suggest u watch this RIZOOM top right of the page

http://www.skysports.com/tv_show/story/0,20144,12382_3550310,00.html

i suggest u watch this RIZOOM top right of the page

http://www.skysports.com/tv_show/story/0,20144,12382_3550310,00.html

If Owen doesn't take a pay-cut then I couldn't give a **** if he left, because he couldn't give a **** about Newcastle. Some sort of swap for Carrick would be a good move.

If Owen doesn't take a pay-cut then I couldn't give a **** if he left, because he couldn't give a **** about Newcastle. Some sort of swap for Carrick would be a good move.

are u crazy or just plain stupid why would they swap Carrick when they paid 17 mil for him and Owen is worth 7 mil to them

are u crazy or just plain stupid why would they swap Carrick when they paid 17 mil for him and Owen is worth 7 mil to them

Newcastle paid 17m for Owen.

Newcastle paid 17m for Owen.

yes but he is available to Man Utd for 7 mil

what difference does it maike to them how much Newcastle paid for him ,they would'nt take him for 17 mil cause of the injurys they are only gonna take him cause he is at a cut price of 7 mil which is not a huge loss if it does work out

yes but he is available to Man Utd for 7 mil

what difference does it maike to them how much Newcastle paid for him ,they would'nt take him for 17 mil cause of the injurys they are only gonna take him cause he is at a cut price of 7 mil which is not a huge loss if it does work out

Man Utd were ripped-off, Carrick is worth no more than £10m, so a swap would be ideal.

Man Utd were ripped-off, Carrick is worth no more than £10m, so a swap would be ideal.

yes but wether they were ripped of is mute point

they aint gonna swap Carrick for Owen when they can get Owen for 7 mil ,wake up

yes but wether they were ripped of is mute point

they aint gonna swap Carrick for Owen when they can get Owen for 7 mil ,wake up

I didn't say just £7m, I said Owen + cash. Why would Owen want to be a bench warmer again? Even Ferguson said that's all he would be.

I didn't say just £7m, I said Owen + cash. Why would Owen want to be a bench warmer again? Even Ferguson said that's all he would be.




they dont need to do a player swap with u they can get Owen for 7 mil with amount of time left on his contract what part are u struggling to grasp:ugh:


Owen would rather be a benchwarmer or at the very least go somewhere else than take a pay cut

What is the diffrence in £10m for Carrick or Owen and £3m? :ugh:

What is the diffrence in £10m for Carrick or Owen and £3m? :ugh:

the difference is Man utd dont wanna sell him ,they can have both of them ,they paid 17 million for Carrick overpriced or not ,

the difference is Man utd dont wanna sell him ,they can have both of them ,they paid 17 million for Carrick overpriced or not ,

Carrick can say to Ferguson that he wants to go and he will have no choice. Carrick has been linked to Newcastle all year. In January is was £18m now it's £14m.

He has always said he would join within the drop off a hat if the opportunity arose.

Berbatov is also a huge Newcastle fan. Owen leaving for Utd would leave a space for him to fill.

Carrick can say to Ferguson that he wants to go and he will have no choice. Carrick has been linked to Newcastle all year. In January is was £18m now it's £14m.

He has always said he would join within the drop off a hat if the opportunity arose.

Berbatov is also a huge Newcastle fan. Owen leaving for Utd would leave a space for him to fill.

u are dillusional

are u for real Berbatov aint gonna join ****ing Newcastle is he lets be real ,Berbatov wants to leave spurs for a bigger club to win things

as for Carrick he aint gonna leave Man Utd for Newcastle no way to spend his time fighting for top table finish or euefa cup place ,no chance

They can win cups at Newcastle. Newcastle are the fifth biggest club in the league, but you are making that they are no better than Derby.

The lure to play for a club you support is bigger than any cup.

They can win cups at Newcastle. Newcastle are the fifth biggest club in the league, but you are making that they are no better than Derby.

The lure to play for a club you support is bigger than any cup.


u are dillusional if u think Carrick would entertain leaving Man Utd to scrap around for a top table finish with Newcastle

the 5th biggest LOL that is almost as funny as u thinking Carrick would leave Man Utd for Newcastle

u are dillusional if u think Carrick would entertain leaving Man Utd to scrap around for a top table finish with Newcastle

the 5th biggest LOL that is almost as funny as u thinking Carrick would leave Man Utd for Newcastle

Newcastle are the 5th biggest. :ugh:

You keep trying to debate and argue, but you know **** all about football.

Newcastle are the 5th biggest. :ugh:

You keep trying to debate and argue, but you know **** all about football.

5 th Biggest hows that ,big clubs are successfull u aint won **** in over 50 years and u think your the 5th biggest in the league LMAO

fan base dont make u a big club silverware does and Villa ,Everton,Totenham have won more than Newcastle ,Aston Villa have won the European cup

5 th Biggest hows that ,big clubs are successfull u aint won **** in over 50 years and u think your the 5th biggest in the league LMAO

fan base dont make u a big club silverware does and Villa ,Everton,Totenham have won more than Newcastle ,Aston Villa have won the European cup

Newcastle have been one of the most successful clubs in England - in terms of trophies won, league finishes, attendances & fanbase, and wealth - behind the biggest teams - Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, etc.

Newcastle have been one of the most successful clubs in England - in terms of trophies won, league finishes, attendances & fanbase, and wealth - behind the biggest teams - Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, etc.

who gives a **** what your attendences are league finishes ,fanbase, wealth

big side are successfull Newcastle have hardly won a bean in thier entire history ,ive included the only trophys worth noting ive done the same for Aston Villa

aton villa

European cup 1

European super cup 1

1st division 7

fa cups 7

league cups 5


newcastle

fa cup 6

1st division 1

I lied, looks like Villa are now the 5th biggest (5 points) and Newcastle 6th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_FA_Premier_League_table

The top 5 have all played 620 games while NUFC have played 578 games.

I lied, looks like Villa are now the 5th biggest (5 points) and Newcastle 6th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_FA_Premier_League_table

The top 5 have all played 620 games while NUFC have played 578 games.

Wiki is full of bull**** u aint even 6 IMO Spurs are a more successfull side by a mile




League Champions: 2

FA Cup Winners: 8

Football League Cup Winners: 4

European Cup Winners' Cup Winners:1

UEFA Cup Winners: 2

Wiki is full of bull**** u aint even 6 IMO Spurs are a more successfull side by a mile




League Champions: 2

FA Cup Winners: 8

Football League Cup Winners: 4

European Cup Winners' Cup Winners:1

UEFA Cup Winners: 2


Everton have won more than Newcastle aswell ,they are bigger than Toon aswell:bottle:


Everton


League Champions 9

FA Cup Winners 5

European Cup Winners Cup Winners 1

Don't cry because I've given you the facts.

All time English top flight table:

http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/records/1st_level_table.htm...

All time Premiership table:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_FA_Premier_League_table

FA Cup winners table

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup#Past_winners_of_the_FA_Cup

Richest football clubs in World:

http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/top-20-richest-football-clubs-in-the-world.html...

Biggest Stadiums in UK

St James Park: 3rd biggest ground in England, 5th biggest in UK.

Don't cry because I've given you the facts.

the only one who has been given facts is u one measly League title LOL


Villa ,Everton ,Spurs ,dwarf u for success i would 'nt be suprised if West ham have had more success than Toon aswell

the only one who has been given facts is u one measly League title LOL


Villa ,Everton ,Spurs ,dwarf u for success i would 'nt be suprised if West ham have had more success than Toon aswell

I can't believe you still continue after I have given you the facts. :nonono:

I can't believe you still continue after I have given you the facts. :nonono:

im the one with the facts Wiki is opinon

1 League Title LOL

I've edited my post with more facts.

I've edited my post with more facts.



i dont care what Wiki says its bull**** anyway u have won

1 pathetic league title

http://www.streetlessons.com/loser.JPG

i dont care what Wiki says its bull**** anyway u have won

1 pathetic league title

http://www.streetlessons.com/loser.JPG

Repeating the same thing twice. That is a sign of a desperate man.

Repeating the same thing twice. That is a sign of a desperate man.


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http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/polargarr/YourAnIdiot.jpg
classic matey, when in doubt keep digging.

J-League club eye up Michael Owen as England striker faces pay dispute at Newcastle United

By Charlie Caroe and agencies
Last Updated: 12:53pm BST 13/05/2008

Japanese club JEF United Chiba have refused to rule out the possiblity of making an audacious move for unsettled Newcastle United striker Michael Owen.

Chiba have just unveiled former Liverpool first-team coach Alex Miller as their new manager and believe Owen can solve the team's current goal-scoring problems.

*****n Sports have reported that Chiba officials were preparing an initial approach and that contact had been made with Owen's agent Tony Stephens.

Chiba's Kentaro Shiga said: "The reports are not 100 percent off the mark. Owen's name was one of those being talked about when the team were looking at possible targets.

"We are considering adding players to our squad when the transfer windows open this summer. However, we haven't come to the point where we can name the possible candidates, including Owen.

"It would be great if we can have a player like Owen with us as that will increase the attention in our club. But we have just started under our new manager and are still working to put things together in the new administration."

Struggling Chiba are rooted to the bottom of the J-League first division, only winning their first game in 12 matches this season at the weekend with Miller watching from the stands.

Owen, who moved to the North-East from Spanish side Real Madrid for £16 million pounds in August 2005, could face a £40,000 reduction to his £120,000-per-week salary as Newcastle look to slash his wages by £2 million, according to reports this morning.

Although manager Kevin Keegan is desperate to secure the services of the England striker, who has scored 16 goals for the side this season, Owen would be likely to leave St James Park if the club's management attempt to renegotiate his deal.

Despite being linked with a move to join Sir Alex Ferguson at Old Trafford, another possible option for Owen could be a return to Merseyside to play for the team he supported as a boy, namely Everton, where his father Terry played.

A transfer to the blue side of Liverpool would allow Owen to return to his home town, with the guarantee of a first-team place and European football as Everton have qualified for the Uefa Cup after finishing fifth in the Premier League.

If the prospect of a move to Japan, following in the footsteps of boyhood hero Gary Lineker, does not excite Owen then the United States could be a possiblity if Owen insists on having his wage demands met.

With each of the 14 teams in Major League Soccer allowed two players paid above the salary cap Owen could join England team-mate David Beckham at LA Galaxy, under former Chelsea and Newcastle manager Ruud Gullit.

Alternatively Owen could plump for a club in the Middle East, such as Qatar's Al-Arabi where Gabriel Batistuta signed a two-deal worth $8 million in 2003, but any such move could jeopardise his international career as the quality of the leagues are below those of the Premier League.
# The Daily Mail have also reported that Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley has presented his player-purchasing strategy to Keegan at a meeting on Friday.

Ashley, with recently appointed vice-chairman Derek Llambias, former managing director of the St James' 50 gambling club in London, are apparently keen to import cheap players from Africa and South America with the aim of developing their talent and selling them for a substantial profit.

Michael Owen factfile
Team Games Goals
Liverpool 297 158
Real Madrid 42 16
Newcastle United 47 20
England 88 40

Screw Man Utd, Owens off to the bottom club in Japan! :ugh: