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!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 02:24 AM Padwork:
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Defense:
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NeXt In Line 05-10-2008, 02:33 AM Padwork seems pretty good, could be sped up a little to increase viewer likeability, but technique is pretty downpat, good ****.
MoneyINC 05-10-2008, 03:24 AM It all looks the same you trainer was doing more training then you.. Good form, but bad vid, lets see you work a bag video, or sparring says alot more then workig with a trainer on mitts.
THE REED™ 05-10-2008, 03:43 AM It all looks the same you trainer was doing more training then you.. Good form, but bad vid, lets see you work a bag video, or sparring says alot more then workig with a trainer on mitts.
on second thought... lets see what you got? :ugh:
MoneyINC 05-10-2008, 04:00 AM very soon my friend very soon
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 04:27 AM No offense Money INC, but you are honestly a joke. Telling me not to focus on technique? Telling me not to use footwork to create angles?
Honestly, are you retarded?
PunchDrunk 05-10-2008, 05:06 AM Not bad. You could throw your right hand a lot tighter though. The way you use the philly shell in your 'defense work' will get you put on your ass someday. There are much more productive ways to avoid shots like that.
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 05:38 AM Not bad. You could throw your right hand a lot tighter though. The way you use the philly shell in your 'defense work' will get you put on your ass someday. There are much more productive ways to avoid shots like that.
Please elaborate.
jberg 05-10-2008, 09:25 AM i think its just that you have to be a great boxer to use it effectively. its rarely done in amature boxing for a reason
moin126 05-10-2008, 09:48 AM I think since your in a conventional stance the philly shell could work, specially now your utilizing it with your trainer.
But its known that style takes the most conditioning + reflexes.
I think its was a quite nice vid.
JayCoe 05-10-2008, 12:20 PM I liked your defence, it looked like you have things pretty covered. One of the problems I have is I put up a tight guard and move but I don't ever try and catch or block, I just either dodge or absorb and I really need to work on that I think. As for whoever it is up there saying about the coach working more than you, who cares? You're learning boxing, that's why you have the gloves and he has the pads, I hope all coaches work harder because that way the student is always outmatched until finally he's not and thus has become a good boxer. So who cares if the coach is working more so long as you're working too. And as for him saying put on more power, on pads you're not really supposed to, you practice the punch, the speed etc and not try and take off their hand, you do power on the bags, so ignore him.
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 01:13 PM i think its just that you have to be a great boxer to use it effectively. its rarely done in amature boxing for a reason
I do not utilize it much in amateur fights, I am simply a believer in sharpening every tool in your bag so that if you ever need it, it is there for you.
I am a firm believer that every right hand needs to be countered with a stiff jab down the center, an thats what I do. Consequently, I rarely have a need to use the Philly shell.
Evil_Meat 05-10-2008, 01:23 PM I do not utilize it much in amateur fights, I am simply a believer in sharpening every tool in your bag so that if you ever need it, it is there for you.
I am a firm believer that every right hand needs to be countered with a stiff jab down the center, an thats what I do. Consequently, I rarely have a need to use the Philly shell.
id say counter a right with a left hook, not a jab. The jab is used for a ****load of things and the hook should be used at some point, and if you can counter someones right with a jab then you should be hooking instead IMO. If i tried to land a right hand on u and i took a small jab i doubt it would have much of an influence on the judges compared to how its only a little bit harder to land the hook in that situation... and someone with good defense is likely to get out of the way after the jab so might as well make it count and hurt by hooking
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 01:29 PM id say counter a right with a left hook, not a jab. The jab is used for a ****load of things and the hook should be used at some point, and if you can counter someones right with a jab then you should be hooking instead IMO. If i tried to land a right hand on u and i took a small jab i doubt it would have much of an influence on the judges compared to how its only a little bit harder to land the hook in that situation... and someone with good defense is likely to get out of the way after the jab so might as well make it count and hurt by hooking
Countering a right hand with a left hook exposes your chin. Just ask Mike "MachineGun" Oliver why that is not a good idea. Also, my jab is not a small jab. As a natural southpaw (even though I am ambidextrous), my jab is a bazooka. I guarantee you will not be throwing right hands at me any more after taking a few of my counter jabs to the chin.
It is not a punch where I block the right hand either. I jab at the same time, but inside the right hand, pushing it outside and over my shoulder while my jab finds a nice home on your face.
Evil_Meat 05-10-2008, 01:59 PM Countering a right hand with a left hook exposes your chin. Just ask Mike "MachineGun" Oliver why that is not a good idea. Also, my jab is not a small jab. As a natural southpaw (even though I am ambidextrous), my jab is a bazooka. I guarantee you will not be throwing right hands at me any more after taking a few of my counter jabs to the chin.
It is not a punch where I block the right hand either. I jab at the same time, but inside the right hand, pushing it outside and over my shoulder while my jab finds a nice home on your face.
maybe that is the case for some people, but I would NEVER stop throwing right hands from getting countered by a stiff jab... I've taken a few TREMENDOUS punches from my 240 pound trainer because of being seriously hurt to the body and that did not stop me from throwing more punches. I do see what you're saying about the left hook leaving you're jaw open because i do see that exact case happen but if you're jab is like a bazooka thats great because most people don't jab hard because in the ams you don't get awarded very much for jabs in general. Personally i'll take the risk of landing a hard left hook over someone's right because I've always had success with it and my chin is always tucked.
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 02:32 PM maybe that is the case for some people, but I would NEVER stop throwing right hands from getting countered by a stiff jab... I've taken a few TREMENDOUS punches from my 240 pound trainer because of being seriously hurt to the body and that did not stop me from throwing more punches. I do see what you're saying about the left hook leaving you're jaw open because i do see that exact case happen but if you're jab is like a bazooka thats great because most people don't jab hard because in the ams you don't get awarded very much for jabs in general. Personally i'll take the risk of landing a hard left hook over someone's right because I've always had success with it and my chin is always tucked.
The hook comes after the jab. If they are winding up with a huge hay maker, I will throw a lead hook, or even better, I will sneak in an uppercut, but at the level that I fight and spar, people are rarely sloppy enough to throw those kinds of looping shots.
Honestly though, I don't care how good your chin is, or if you keep throwing no matter what. My jab is stiff enough to knock you off balance and prevent you from throwing any follow up shots. I have also never had a right hand land when I threw my counter jab.
I have dropped more than 1 person with the counter jab when they load up on a right hand and really come forward on it. Walking yourself into one of my power jabs is not a very good idea.
When my knuckle heals I will make a video showing my power jab.
As for people wanting to see my sparring. That is not going to happen. As an active amateur, the last thing I want is to give people a way to prepare to fight me.
My sparring is not very exciting. I am very methodical. I take my time and take away all your tools until you basically stand in front of me trying to think of a way to get past my defense and counter punching.
That is when I crank up the offense.
PunchDrunk 05-10-2008, 02:48 PM Please elaborate.
Well, your coach is letting you off the hook, because he could/should be hitting you with those rights when you lean away with your left down. Even if you do avoid the first right coming, you're now on your backfoot, meaning you can't really move away anymore, your left is down and you're left with nowhere to move except into the next right hand coming over the top. You do have one choice; after (hopefully) evading the first right, you can now put your head between your legs, PBF style. That **** might fly in the pro's when you're p4p #1 defensive wizard, but in the ams you'll get warned, penalized and finally dq'ed for it.
Slipping the right or simply moving the back foot is a much better option, since they'll also set up counter opportunities.
On that subject, I'd like you to elaborate on your comment on how countering the right with a left hook leaves your chin open as opposed to throwing a jab?
PunchDrunk 05-10-2008, 02:49 PM The hook comes after the jab. If they are winding up with a huge hay maker, I will throw a lead hook, or even better, I will sneak in an uppercut, but at the level that I fight and spar, people are rarely sloppy enough to throw those kinds of looping shots.
Honestly though, I don't care how good your chin is, or if you keep throwing no matter what. My jab is stiff enough to knock you off balance and prevent you from throwing any follow up shots. I have also never had a right hand land when I threw my counter jab.
I have dropped more than 1 person with the counter jab when they load up on a right hand and really come forward on it. Walking yourself into one of my power jabs is not a very good idea.
When my knuckle heals I will make a video showing my power jab.
As for people wanting to see my sparring. That is not going to happen. As an active amateur, the last thing I want is to give people a way to prepare to fight me.
My sparring is not very exciting. I am very methodical. I take my time and take away all your tools until you basically stand in front of me trying to think of a way to get past my defense and counter punching.
That is when I crank up the offense.
Sounds like you're the reigning world champion? Doesn't look like it though... :no:
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 07:54 PM Well, your coach is letting you off the hook, because he could/should be hitting you with those rights when you lean away with your left down. Even if you do avoid the first right coming, you're now on your backfoot, meaning you can't really move away anymore, your left is down and you're left with nowhere to move except into the next right hand coming over the top. You do have one choice; after (hopefully) evading the first right, you can now put your head between your legs, PBF style. That **** might fly in the pro's when you're p4p #1 defensive wizard, but in the ams you'll get warned, penalized and finally dq'ed for it.
Slipping the right or simply moving the back foot is a much better option, since they'll also set up counter opportunities.
On that subject, I'd like you to elaborate on your comment on how countering the right with a left hook leaves your chin open as opposed to throwing a jab?
A left hook by its nature come from the outside. If thrown against a right hand, it allows the right hand to come down the center insider your shoulder.
With the jab you bring your shoulder up to your chin, covering your chin, you take the center, pushing the right hand OUTSIDE your jab and shoulder, protecting your chin and taking the inside giving you a strait road to their chin.
I am not talking about blocking and countering or slipping and countering, a left hook is well suited to those. I am talking about throwing at the SAME time that they do.
As to being open to a second right hand. It looks like it, but it is not there. He use to throw those at me, but gave up after having no success. I do not know if you watched my shadow boxing video, but I have no problem getting down pernell whitaker style. I am a also very very good at judging distance, and even if I am pulled back, I am still capable of getting out of the way of the second punch. I understand what you are saying, but I am unusually flexible. What might look like I have nowhere left to go for a normal person is not so for me.
There are two possible follow up rights. A strait, or an overhand. if the over hand comes, I roll under it. If I am against the ropes and another strait right comes, I block with my right hand then duck incase a left hook is coming behind it.
I will make a video later on to demonstrate the true range of my movement, balance, and flexibility when it comes to evading shots.
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 07:59 PM Sounds like you're the reigning world champion? Doesn't look like it though... :no:
Where do you come up with this stuff? I am not proclaiming to be Jesus. I am simply showing people what I do, and explaining it to them. Forgive me for actually knowing what and why I do things inside the ring, I know its a sin.
hello2007 05-10-2008, 08:03 PM that is one small ring. I hate gyms that have rings that small. What is even the point. You take two steps and your on the other side of it. Might as well fight in a garage
!! Shawn 05-10-2008, 08:10 PM that is one small ring. I hate gyms that have rings that small. What is even the point. You take two steps and your on the other side of it. Might as well fight in a garage
Believe me, you get mighty good at moving your head and getting out of corners.
johnjamieson 05-11-2008, 02:56 PM honestly, with the way you keep your lead hand in your defense videos your def. gonna get put on your ass one day because of it. keep em up
!! Shawn 05-11-2008, 06:04 PM honestly, with the way you keep your lead hand in your defense videos your def. gonna get put on your ass one day because of it. keep em up
It is a possibility, but I feel that the increased visibility I am afforded when I do it, make up for the inherent risk involved.
Salty 05-12-2008, 01:48 AM How can you jab at the same time as a straight? they have the exact same line from chine to chin pretty much, there will be some deflection there and in most cases the right will win simply because the have more mass behind the punch.
The reason why you are getting so many negative comments is because your coming off as extremely arrogant, you post video's then completely disagree with what anyone says.
Your trainer is slapping your gloves that much it's not funny, tell your trainer to get the freddie roach dvd from title because opposition wont be headbutting your punches like your trainer was.
Eshays! 05-12-2008, 03:35 AM Hey lad, wot weight are you?? you from australia??
NaThBoiii 05-12-2008, 07:16 AM I like the way you think your amazingly good tho how many fights you had? Where abouts in England you from? I might take a trip down to your gym for a sparring session :D Are you fighting at the Lydney boxing club on 31st May? because I am and if your there you might be lucky enough to be fighting me because your nearly my weight :D
Mickey Gomez 05-12-2008, 08:27 AM Cut the guy some slack, as the title says it's pad work in a defensive context, and from what I saw his defense is pretty good.
Your footwork and punching form is good. You seem to be purposefully holding back a bit as regards power.
Only slight bit of critique I would offer is your left hand seems to return to a low position after a jab.
NaThBoiii 05-12-2008, 08:46 AM Yer the defence is good.. which i lack :(
!! Shawn 05-12-2008, 09:42 AM Yer the defence is good.. which i lack :(
Why would you assume I am from England?
!! Shawn 05-12-2008, 09:46 AM Cut the guy some slack, as the title says it's pad work in a defensive context, and from what I saw his defense is pretty good.
Your footwork and punching form is good. You seem to be purposefully holding back a bit as regards power.
Only slight bit of critique I would offer is your left hand seems to return to a low position after a jab.
Yeah, I need to work on that when I am fighting out of a hands low position, I still need to bring the jab back strait before tucking the shoulder and dropping the hand.
!! Shawn 05-12-2008, 09:50 AM How can you jab at the same time as a straight? they have the exact same line from chine to chin pretty much, there will be some deflection there and in most cases the right will win simply because the have more mass behind the punch.
The reason why you are getting so many negative comments is because your coming off as extremely arrogant, you post video's then completely disagree with what anyone says.
Your trainer is slapping your gloves that much it's not funny, tell your trainer to get the freddie roach dvd from title because opposition wont be headbutting your punches like your trainer was.
It works because even though it is called a strait right, in reality no right hand is as strait as a jab.
Evil_Meat 05-12-2008, 02:34 PM The hook comes after the jab. If they are winding up with a huge hay maker, I will throw a lead hook, or even better, I will sneak in an uppercut, but at the level that I fight and spar, people are rarely sloppy enough to throw those kinds of looping shots.
Honestly though, I don't care how good your chin is, or if you keep throwing no matter what. My jab is stiff enough to knock you off balance and prevent you from throwing any follow up shots. I have also never had a right hand land when I threw my counter jab.
I have dropped more than 1 person with the counter jab when they load up on a right hand and really come forward on it. Walking yourself into one of my power jabs is not a very good idea.
When my knuckle heals I will make a video showing my power jab.
As for people wanting to see my sparring. That is not going to happen. As an active amateur, the last thing I want is to give people a way to prepare to fight me.
My sparring is not very exciting. I am very methodical. I take my time and take away all your tools until you basically stand in front of me trying to think of a way to get past my defense and counter punching.
That is when I crank up the offense.
oh yeah i forgot about this thread... but yeah man the way you describe how you fight here is pretty much exacly the way i fight as well. I had a pro sparring partner for a while so i got very good at jabbing and timing people's jab
!! Shawn 07-05-2008, 02:36 AM oh yeah i forgot about this thread... but yeah man the way you describe how you fight here is pretty much exacly the way i fight as well. I had a pro sparring partner for a while so i got very good at jabbing and timing people's jab
Its funny how many of the people that were praising me have jumped on the hater band wagon.
J_CON 07-05-2008, 12:23 PM thats the smallest ring ive ever seen
!! Shawn 07-05-2008, 02:40 PM thats the smallest ring ive ever seen
Indeed it is.
hello2007 07-05-2008, 03:10 PM you should sparr on the mat sometimes just for more space. I don't think I would be able to sparr in a ring that looks 8 by 8 feet square
!! Shawn 07-06-2008, 08:51 PM you should sparr on the mat sometimes just for more space. I don't think I would be able to sparr in a ring that looks 8 by 8 feet square
Ummm... I'll pass on that one.
peewee1460 07-06-2008, 09:09 PM i feel for you on the small ring topic. I love to move, change directions, etc. and being confined to a tiny ring makes life hard. by the way, how big is that ring?
!! Shawn 07-06-2008, 09:23 PM i feel for you on the small ring topic. I love to move, change directions, etc. and being confined to a tiny ring makes life hard. by the way, how big is that ring?
Never asked and never measured. Suffice to say its small.
Rafael Benitez 07-06-2008, 10:18 PM For all the attitude and bull**** you spew here, you really can't walk the talk. I've never seen a ****ter and more delusional megalomaniac. You're just a punk ass whiteboy with some gay granny jogging pants on.
Your trainer 'sucks major ass' too, as they would say on your side of the pond.
Vicious33091 07-07-2008, 12:38 AM No opponent is gonna be hitting you that slow. Your trainer (?) looks like he doesn't even wanna be there.
aussieboxer2320 07-07-2008, 05:23 AM ok shawn i dont like you very much atm but that was pretty good padwork, you had good technique. the philly shell is quite a difficult technique to master but you seemed to pull it off okay.
!! Shawn 07-08-2008, 12:12 AM ok shawn i dont like you very much atm but that was pretty good padwork, you had good technique. the philly shell is quite a difficult technique to master but you seemed to pull it off okay.
Thanks! Maybe in the future you should watch all my videos before talking crap about me.
Rafael Benitez 07-08-2008, 12:14 AM Thanks! Maybe in the future you should watch all my videos before talking crap about me.
I think anyone can do it in slow motion. Shawn, you're just a punk ass whiteboy. You should try being more like Rocky and less like Roy Jones. In real life there is no Cinderella story though. You're going to get your head bashed in son, and probably end up with brain damage.
!! Shawn 07-08-2008, 12:24 AM I think anyone can do it in slow motion. Shawn, you're just a punk ass whiteboy. You should try being more like Rocky and less like Roy Jones. In real life there is no Cinderella story though. You're going to get your head bashed in son, and probably end up with brain damage.
Thats the plan!
aussieboxer2320 07-08-2008, 05:16 AM Thanks! Maybe in the future you should watch all my videos before talking crap about me.
no i watched all your other vids, they were all horse **** except for this one, which was a lot better. but it was stil in slow mo
fademaster 07-31-2009, 11:51 PM Good vid..keep up the good work....
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