After the demolition job done by pacman to this boxer last year many people thought that it's over for him and he's going to retire! But after the wounds had healed, and had done some rethinking he decided to fight the non-active ayala and won convincingly via knockout - to some this win was not that impressive! Barrera has just regained his confidence again and months before the announcement of his fight with morales, had shown interest in fighting pacquiao saying he wanted to avenge his defeat with him. What had happened all of a sudden was a third fight with morales in the offing leaving pacquiao fighting no one.

Morales who has been getting better and better everyday and who had been campaigning in a heavier category now looks unbeatable! But every fighter has his nemesis, right? Is Barrera Morales' nemesis? Even if he's looking good in most of his fights, he seems to loose all of this dominance when he fights Barrera who seem to know Morales from inside and out and knows how to win over this fighter.

Morales has said that he's going to put a period, to this rivalry, can he duplicate what the pacman had done to Barrera? This would mean that by doing exactly that, Barrera had truly lost it and should put his gloves to rest!

Im pretty damn sure, this could be a great fight! And right after this, could be a lot of opportunities for some fighters like larios, injin-chi, harrison, marquez and pacquiao which could be talked about in the near future.

We wouldn't know what would happen, really! Will Morales go to 135 after beating Barrera? If Barrera wins, which fighter he wnats next? Wait and see.. this is exciting!

I think Barrera is too old to get into another war. I think his best chance is to use his technique to try and outbox Morales.

MAB is absolutely the underdog on this fight, everything is going against him, size, age, speed etc., but you can never count someone out like MAB a true warior, plus the fact that they are fighting for pride & honor not to mention bad blood between EM & MAB, I think if MAB can avoid getting KTFO, he can win a close decision....

If I had to pick between the two right now I would pick Morales but I would never count Barrera out especially against Morales. These two seem to really hate each other and I don't care if Morales looks unbeatable in previous fights and Barrera looks horrible in previous fights these two will always give each other hell for 12 rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if Barrera won. I thought he won the first and second fights so it wouldn't surprise me at all.

i know this will be a good fight but i dont know if barrera can walk away the winner. the fact that hes going up to 130 may be his downfall, i mean barrera is only 5'6 for gods sake, if he does'nt carry the weight well then we may see a ko in the late rounds. i think morlaes wins either way.

hmmmm
i think he has enough left in him to go to one more war
he should come out and give everything he has left
cuz this fight is for everything
unfortuantly
if it does become a war
it may take too much out of barrera for him to be able to take on manny again
so i do see a slim chance of him winning this one
but that chance is made smaller by the fact that morales has been so strong and dominant of his opponents too

I think Barrera is too old to get into another war. I think his best chance is to use his technique to try and outbox Morales.


the guy is only 30. i don't understand why you say he is too old. i agree that he will need to outbox him though. just because he loses a few fights doesn't mean he should hang it up. when he gets ktfo a few times in a row he should consider it

Barrera is not Morales' nemesis, it's the other way around. MAB will never be the same fighter as when they first fought in which I gave him the decision by the slimmest of margins. No way he'll win against a prime Morales at this weight and this point in his career. If he gets ktfo, which I think he would be, he'll hang the gloves no doubt.

Barrera gets KTFO this time around. MAB is a true warrior but in that Ayala fight he was hit way too much by an old slow warrior. Morales is going to put an exclamation point on this fight.

I love Barrera for his heart, but more for his total dismantling of Naseem. Unfortunately, the "fight" with PacMan was not an illusion, it was a precurosr to this rematch.

Barrera .... KO'd in ugly fashion = retirement.

This is definitely MAB's last chance to redeem his career. He was able to resurrect his career in the past and I do believe that this fight is no different. Being a sentimental favorite with many non-hardcore boxing fans, he might just pull off the decision, a la Sugar Ray Leonard when he beat Hagler.

I think Morales will pick MAB apart and win a fairly one sided decision. MAB's best days are behind him.

What's the odds here between Barrera and Morales? I think Barrera will be an underdog here 5 to 1.

Barrera definitely is the underdog here. He was stronger than EM at 122, almost even at 126, but at 130 IMO Morales is simply the bigger fella. Size does matter. Barrera is on a decline now, Ayala was not a coming back party. He'll give a good account of himself while it lasts though, but El Terrible wins convincingly this time.

Morales by TKO.

i'm not so sure that Barrera wil,be KTFO'd by Morales. MAB looked so bad against Pac because he underestimated him, i don't think he actually was prepared for the handspeed Manny has, and after the KD's he wasn't able to recover. Remember the same thing could have happened to JMM but he wasn't hurt as bad and adjusted his style. MAB can show he's still not shot here, and i'm hoping he does

if Barrera doesnt come thru, would Pac want the rematch? either way im picking Morales by UD i see him as the bigger man at 130

if Barrera doesnt come thru, would Pac want the rematch? either way im picking Morales by UD i see him as the bigger man at 130


Will there be a bigger purse awaiting pacquiao in this rematch? If there is, what is pacquiao to lose, he will bite it even if he knows Barrera is on the downside.

Barrera still has a chance to pull it off.

He might not have the same drive he used to, however he still sees an opportunity when he sees one and his hand speed is still very good.

On recent form you have to say Morales but who knows im a fan of both guys.
But i think it would be a fitting end for Barrera to win and then retire. What a brilliant way for him to end his career.

the guy is only 30. i don't understand why you say he is too old. i agree that he will need to outbox him though. just because he loses a few fights doesn't mean he should hang it up. when he gets ktfo a few times in a row he should consider it

sorry pappy but.......

age has nothing to do with how old you are as a boxer we all know this, barerra has had a 14 year career in the pros already he started officially at 16 but probably earlier has had a hell of a lot of fights in that time and also has been involved in a number of wars.

I think in boxing terms he is old but maybe able to get "up" for one last hurrah, I hope so. :cool:

I think MAB has a very good chance of winning this fight; it's not going to be a blowout like many think. I think EM will pull out the SD but it will be close. I like EM because of his chin, style, and size (he's better at 130 than MAB can be, I think) but Barrera is an awesome fighter, too. Very close call.

if Barrera doesnt come thru, would Pac want the rematch? either way im picking Morales by UD i see him as the bigger man at 130

who is this girl?

Barrera wins......then he gets the comeback of the year award. Easily.

if Barrera doesnt come thru, would Pac want the rematch? either way im picking Morales by UD i see him as the bigger man at 130


If Barerra does not come up with the goods for this fight, I think Pac will still give him the re-match but MAB will be only third on Pac's List after JMM & Erik....

I hope Barrera doesnt win only cause I would like to see Morales in there vs manny PacMan

If Barrera loses then I think he is finished.

If Morales loses then I do not think it would hurt him so bad because I can't see him getting knocked out or dominated from start to finish like Barrera was with PacMan.

I think Barrera can win, but if he does, it will be a close decision on points.

Morales wins by knock out in the 10th.1st fight to me was a draw 2 many close rounds.2nd fight morales boxes his way to a vicotry but gets ****ed out of the decision beacuse fans thought he won the 1ts fight and now its a toss up on how the judges r gonna score it this time around

No knockout for Morales the more I think about it. He's claimed to knock MAB out in the past 2 fights and failed to deliver. He is seriously underestimating MAB and that might **** him staright up the ass.

No knockout for Morales the more I think about it. He's claimed to knock MAB out in the past 2 fights and failed to deliver. He is seriously underestimating MAB and that might **** him staright up the ass.


Morales is a lethal puncher if Manny can hurt MAB he can hurt by Morales Hope Its a repeat of the first fight

Morales is a lethal puncher if Manny can hurt MAB he can hurt by Morales Hope Its a repeat of the first fight

Barrera should have won the first fight. He even gave Morales his first knockdown. Of course Morales can hurt MAB but the rope swings both ways. If Morales is too overconfident, he'd in a heap of dog ****.

I've got to be honest. I'm a bigger fan of MAB, but i struggle to see him winning over Morales this time around.

When you compare the form of the two of them... Morales as got to be the heavy favourite. Still, don't under estimate the power of hatred. I'll be cheering for Barrera.

Barrera should have won the first fight. He even gave Morales his first knockdown. Of course Morales can hurt MAB but the rope swings both ways. If Morales is too overconfident, he'd in a heap of dog ****.

That knockdown wasnt legit.

Morales fights best when he is confident.

I don't like Marco's chances. He's not the same guy he was 5 years or even 2 years ago, while Morales, even though he's taken a lot of shots, still looks good. That, plus the higher weight... ...I dunno, but it doesn't look good for MAB... :(

That knockdown wasnt legit.

Morales fights best when he is confident.

Watch it again. I saw it in slow mo over and over and over again. Morales backs up when he lunges in he gets caught with a short left hook flush on the face. Morales was still up for a split second before his right knee goes down. Wasn't a devastating knockdown but he got hurt. If it was a slip the motion would have been faster. His knee gave way slowly which indicates it was by choice he set it down.

I agree Morales is fights best when confident. But
OVER-confidence for any fighter is unhealthy during a fight.

The majority of people discounted MAB's chances going into the FIRST fight...look what happened.

I wouldn't wager any money on it.....but I give Barrera a tremendous chance in this third fight. This is based on him coming to fight to win, not to just edge out Morales.

I think they could fight a 100x & there won't be much to distinguish between the two.

For the sport, a Morales victory is the best thing. Morales seems like he has a lot of fighting, & bigger fights, ahead of him than does Barrera.

Watch it again. I saw it in slow mo over and over and over again. Morales backs up when he lunges in he gets caught with a short left hook flush on the face. Morales was still up for a split second before his right knee goes down. Wasn't a devastating knockdown but he got hurt. If it was a slip the motion would have been faster. His knee gave way slowly which indicates it was by choice he set it down.

I agree Morales is fights best when confident. But
OVER-confidence for any fighter is unhealthy during a fight.

Its you who needs to watch it again man there isnt even a punch, Morales ducks Barrera's left hook and his knee goes down there was NO punch.

They slow it down at the end of the HBO telecast there is CLEARLY NOT a LEGIT KD.

There was NO FLUSH SHOT when Morales went down

Whoever you think is going to win is one thing, weather it's Morales by destruction or whatever, what you can't deny is that Morales has yet(in 2 fight)to figure out MAB. I don't see this changing, it's going to be very close.

The struggles with MAB and the ease in which Manny had with MAB makes me think that Morales will lose if they do in fact fight, again I have said it a million times...Morales defense is going to get him in trouble. I don't know what happended with Jesus Chavez and his hands but I do know that he was pounding Erik in the first, simply kicking his ass, now of course he had no answer for Morales return fire but if he was in fact hurt like he claims it would have been a fight where we really would have begun to question EM. The injury may have delayed the inevitable but I will say it again, Erik will soon be in trouble.

Its you who needs to watch it again man there isnt even a punch, Morales ducks Barrera's left hook and his knee goes down there was NO punch.

They slow it down at the end of the HBO telecast there is CLEARLY NOT a LEGIT KD.

There was NO FLUSH SHOT when Morales went down

So how the heck did his knee go down?? He got tired ?!?

Barrera is going forward and when Morales ducks the left Barrera hip hits Morales on the face.

Whoever you think is going to win is one thing, weather it's Morales by destruction or whatever, what you can't deny is that Morales has yet(in 2 fight)to figure out MAB. I don't see this changing, it's going to be very close.

The struggles with MAB and the ease in which Manny had with MAB makes me think that Morales will lose if they do in fact fight, again I have said it a million times...Morales defense is going to get him in trouble. I don't know what happended with Jesus Chavez and his hands but I do know that he was pounding Erik in the first, simply kicking his ass, now of course he had no answer for Morales return fire but if he was in fact hurt like he claims it would have been a fight where we really would have begun to question EM. The injury may have delayed the inevitable but I will say it again, Erik will soon be in trouble.

That is a delicate fight to discuss. Chavex DID hurt Morales in the first. He also injured his hand somewhere in the 3rd I believe and fought bravely with one hand. However, Chavez did get dropped twice when both of his hand we're healthy. I do think that Morales' defense has weaknesses that can be exploited but I don't think Barrera has the arsenal to make Morales pay.

Barrera is going forward and when Morales ducks the left Barrera hip hits Morales on the face.

Did HBO show the replay at different angles?

Did HBO show the replay at different angles?

yup yup ;)

That is a delicate fight to discuss. Chavex DID hurt Morales in the first. He also injured his hand somewhere in the 3rd I believe and fought bravely with one hand. However, Chavez did get dropped twice when both of his hand we're healthy. I do think that Morales' defense has weaknesses that can be exploited but I don't think Barrera has the arsenal to make Morales pay.

Exactly...Barrera isn't a big enough puncher to seriously try out Morales' chin. Erik's chin often makes up for holes in his defense. That were someone like Corrales could get to Erik...although Corrales is a bit slower.

Morales Wants To Do Away With Barrera 'Once And For All'
By Sean Stowell
(November 12, 2004)

Since their last meeting in June 2002, Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera have been on different paths. On November 27, those paths will cross for a third and final time.

In their first bout, Morales won a disputed decision, and Barrera won a similarly disputed second bout. Since that last matchup, Morales has gone 6-0, while Barrera has gone 2-1. Morales has an edge in the level of competition he has fought since that time as well, having taken on Paulie Ayala, Eddie Croft, Fernando Velardez, Guty Espadas, Jesus Chavez and Carlos Hernandez. He defeated Croft, Velardez, and Espadas by knockout.

Barrera on the other hand defeated Johnny Tapia by decision, and knocked out Kevin Kelley in the fourth. He then lost a disastrous fight to Manny Pacquiao before coming back and stopping Ayala in the 10th. Of course questions lingered about whether or not Barrera was shot. He answered that with his performance against Ayala, but whether or not he is the same Barrera we saw two times before against Morales is another question.

One of those people is Morales's father, Jose, who questioned the necessity to fight Barrera for a third time.

"He saw what we both have done since our last fight," Morales said during a recent media conference call. "I've fought and beat guys like Hernandez and Chavez and he gets knocked out by Pacquiao. My father didn't think it was a good time to fight him. He thought Barrera should fight better guys then fight me again, so it would be a bigger fight.

"I've always respected my father's position, but I've always chosen my own fights, and I will be there on November 27."

Morales (47-1, 34 KOs) said the reason he's fighting Barrera (58-4, 41 KOs) is plain and simple, "the people want to see it."

The people may want to see it, but Morales definitely wants a clear decision this time around. While the decisions in the first two fights were disputed, he'd like nothing more than a decisive victory over his tormentor from Mexico City. The bitterness between the two stems from their very different upbringings in Mexico. Barrera is from an affluent family where he was studying to be a lawyer before his boxing career took hold. Morales comes from the poor border town of Tijuana which sits just south of California. He was born in a building owned by his father which served as the family's home and as a boxing gym.

Before their second bout the fighters had a brief tussle during a press conference in which Morales called Barrera a slang term for a homosexual and Barrera called Morales an 'uneducated Indian.'

So with all the bad blood in the past, will the two ever become friends? Even Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier can be cordial to one another now.

"Being friends is overrated," Morales said. "I just don't even deal with that when it comes to him."

One thing he will have to deal with the criticism he is sure to face should he not win by dramatic KO ala Pacquiao.

"I'll be criticized if I don't KO him like Pacquiao and I will be criticized if it goes the distance," he said. "If I see an opportunity to knock him out, I'll go for it, and I'll be a lot happier if I am able to knock him out."

Also, there is the money factor. It is one of the bigger money fights for fighters fighting at 130 pounds. While financial terms were not disclosed, Top Rank vice president Todd DuBoef did say money was a huge factor in this rubber match.

"Economically both fighters have a lot to gain," he said. "The people have been asking for this. It's unfinished business."

They will be fighting for the WBC and IBF super featherweight titles held by Morales. Rumors are floating around that win or lose Barrera plans on going back down to 126, a plan that Morales says seems typical of his opponent.

"Some people don't like challenges," Morales said. "He's supposed to be smarter than me, so I don't know what he's doing."

Morales feels he will be much more productive at 130 pounds, as he is only focused on preparing for his opponent, not just making weight. He told the assembled media that he is stronger at this weight and he will be able to move more inside the ring.

"Fans will see an Erik they have never seen before," Morales said. "The people wanted to see this and I think we should get it all over with."

Morales-Barrera III will be shown on HBO Pay-Per-View from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, November 27.

THIS WAS AN ARTILE FROM MAXBOXING.COM THAT I WANTED IT TO SHARE WITH YOU, GUYS. I BELIEVE THAT MORALES WILL GO FOR A DEMOLITION JOB AS HE WAS QUOTED AS SAYING HE'D BE CRITICIZED IF HE DIDN'T KNOCK BARRERA OUT LIKE PACQUIAO DID. WELL, IT WOULD BE LIKELY THAT HE COULD DO IT BECAUSE BARRERA WAS NOT LOOKING GOOD AND MORALES WAS NEVER BEEN THIS BETTER!

i think itll go all the way but morales will win a clear decision. i think itll be competitive tho with mab having his moments

He can do it, but I don't think he will. And at this point in their careers, I think Morales can do it better. Outboxing Morales won't do it, either. Remember, the second fight was controversial, and that was the only time Barerra "outboxed" Morales. In order to win convincingly, he'd have to brawl just like he used to, and t5ry to figure out a way to kayo Morales. Otherwise, Barerra will be the one on the mat.

He can do it, but I don't think he will. And at this point in their careers, I think Morales can do it better. Outboxing Morales won't do it, either. Remember, the second fight was controversial, and that was the only time Barerra "outboxed" Morales. In order to win convincingly, he'd have to brawl just like he used to, and t5ry to figure out a way to kayo Morales. Otherwise, Barerra will be the one on the mat.

I don't think Barrera can KO Morales, he couldn't do it in 2 tries, I doubt it'll be different in the third, keeping in mind that MAB isn't the same fighter as before specially after the Pacquiao loss.

I don't think Barrera can KO Morales, he couldn't do it in 2 tries, I doubt it'll be different in the third, keeping in mind that MAB isn't the same fighter as before specially after the Pacquiao loss.


I have a blind faith in Barrera, i hope he wins, but I doubt he will. I dont think he is going to prove me wrong.

I'll take MAB in this one. In my opinion he won the first fight..barely, he won the second fight easily, and he will win this fight as well. He seems to frustrate Morales and think that will be the key.

He can do it, but I don't think he will. And at this point in their careers, I think Morales can do it better. Outboxing Morales won't do it, either. Remember, the second fight was controversial, and that was the only time Barerra "outboxed" Morales. In order to win convincingly, he'd have to brawl just like he used to, and t5ry to figure out a way to kayo Morales. Otherwise, Barerra will be the one on the mat.

I agree. Morales is on top of his game and Barrera hasn't had any experience at 130. God damn I can't wait for this fight.

I'll take MAB in this one. In my opinion he won the first fight..barely, he won the second fight easily, and he will win this fight as well. He seems to frustrate Morales and think that will be the key.
Do you realize that MAB stands for Marco Antonio Barerra? Or are you just so misinformed that you believe he beat Morales the second time around. Actually, I don't even having a problem with the fact that you think Erik lost. It's just that you say Barerra won it easily, because he didn't. He should have lost it by a close decision.

I don't think Barrera can KO Morales, he couldn't do it in 2 tries, I doubt it'll be different in the third, keeping in mind that MAB isn't the same fighter as before specially after the Pacquiao loss.
I don't either. i especially don't think Barerra can dent his chin. Which is why I don't think Barerra can pull it off. But let's bear in mind that there's been a recent trend of single body shot knckouts. Dorin, and De La Hoya, I think they could tell us that sometimes it only takes one shot to the liver. Mebbe Barerra has been reminded of something he forgot. Remember that Barerra used to be famous for his left hook to the body, back before he tried this boxing ****. I'm not saying it's likely. Just that it's possible.

misinformed?....no. I stand my opinion, MAB won the second fight easier then the first.

misinformed?....no. I stand my opinion, MAB won the second fight easier then the first.

He didn't win the first fight. He lost. I mean **** leave it at what it is. Morales won the first and lost the second. MAB lost the first and won the second. Both fights are arguable. Personally I think Morales won both...but that's very arguable either way. But theres no way MAB won the second fight easier than the first...no fight between these two has been easy to score and MAB LOST the first fight.

I respect Barrera as a fighter that has given his all his whole career but why is he fighting someone he has already fought twice. All signals seem to point that Barrera is nearing the end of his career and is willing to accept a loss to a fellow countryman when it happens. This reminds me a lot of the Gatti-Ward trilogy. I don't think Barrera can pull this one off and could retire after the bout. Also I belive Morales would not go for the kill unless pushed by Barrera to do so. My pick is Morales by UD.

He didn't win the first fight. He lost. I mean **** leave it at what it is. Morales won the first and lost the second. MAB lost the first and won the second. Both fights are arguable. Personally I think Morales won both...but that's very arguable either way. But theres no way MAB won the second fight easier than the first...no fight between these two has been easy to score and MAB LOST the first fight.

I'm not going to go against your opinion on who really won the first and the second fight! But Barrera really did an outstanding performance in his first fight with morales and I think if there's a won fight, this could be it! What year was the first fight, it's in 122 lbs, right? Barrera looked young back then.

They have already started advertising Pac Man Vs Morales. It will be fixed so Morales will win, take it to the bank. The first two were fixed so that this fight could happen and this one is fixed so Morales can fight Pac man, simple!

Kimmy, just curious, where did you get your sources from? Please post. Thanks

They have already started advertising Pac Man Vs Morales. It will be fixed so Morales will win, take it to the bank. The first two were fixed so that this fight could happen and this one is fixed so Morales can fight Pac man, simple!

Morales is going to KO Barrera so they must have paid off Barrera then right?

I know MAB is the underdog but I am rooting for the underdog here and earnestly hoping to see a 3rd war better the than the 2nd one...

This thread could go on forever. MAB & Morales are both great fighters. Let's leave it to them to give us a great show on the 27th :)