I've always been aware of the difference between art, and a product for mass market consumption, but it wasn't until today listening to some Tool that it struck me.

Previously, I thought that there was some indiscernable line between art and commercialism which could not be defined, not so.

Art, true art is created, beauty in the eye of the beholder - that beholder being the creator of said art piece. That is, true art has a selfish nature, it is created in order to pleasure the maker with no regard to commercial successfulness of the piece nor general acceptance.

A product is created by a creator who's sole purpose is to seek mass approval, in this day and age epitomised by the dollar value that the item or piece can bring to the creator and it's investors. There is no thought given to how the piece invigorates or pleases the creator, merely "will it appeal to people?".

However, these are not two seperate and distinct positions, they are instead polars on a spectrum, depanding on which side the creator leans to, determines if they are an artist in the true sense of the word, or whether they are an enterpriser.

Just a thought.

- m

magic, your one of the few people I know that can understand art and fart jokes

pardon me?

You can go from one extreme to the other. You have made some really deep posts about various subjects. A lot of people normaly don't that side of thier personality on a message board

yeah, its weird, I like a lot of things, I find philosophy (especially epistemology and logic) as interesting as Jackass.

western philospohy is what I enjoy. It basicly fits the times

but if you work it right you can turn most of it into a joke

Originally posted by Magic Man
Art, true art is created, beauty in the eye of the beholder - that beholder being the creator of said art piece. That is, true art has a selfish nature, it is created in order to pleasure the maker with no regard to commercial successfulness of the piece nor general acceptance.

Yeah, I draw for me. I typically draw from photos, when I see a picture I like I draw it to make it mine. I do like to hear what other people think of it though, so maybe I'm like half and half. I don't know, what you said makes a lot of sense though.

I said I a lot.

I'm not talking just in terms of visual art, it's broadly applicable.

I like drawings of fake boobies

die!

magiic wear do you work

I like all kinds of phylosophy. The interesting thing is that when you have a deep conversation with somebody in a phylosophycal way, they way people say things tells you a lot about their personallity. Phychology (sp?) rules, I love that **** above everything else.

Stuff is good....