Some favor the classics, others pick the more recent but it really is a question of who is or was the greatest fighter of all time. Some may argue that Sugar Ray Robinson dominated in his time, he made it big and dominated the 40's 50's and some of the 60's containing a record of 175-19 (fairly impressive i believe). Others may argue that Rocky Marciano should hold that place as history's greatest with an astonishing record of 49-0. There may even be others who come close to this sort of glory but only one sticks out in my mind, Muhammad Ali. Ali is the greatest thing that ever happened to boxing, he's strategic, ****y, inteligent, used a cool head and a fast heart and even if he felt like **** still faught with a smile on his face just to make the other contendor feel intimidated. Many may be disscouraged that im even stating this, that im expressing my views on this but i dont believe im wrong. Try and prove me wrong, who is better than Ali? aubviously nobody.

Sugar Ray Robinson and it aint up for debate

Rocky Marciano.....why you even asking?

Some favor the classics, others pick the more recent but it really is a question of who is or was the greatest fighter of all time. Some may argue that Sugar Ray Robinson dominated in his time, he made it big and dominated the 40's 50's and some of the 60's containing a record of 175-19 (fairly impressive i believe). Others may argue that Rocky Marciano should hold that place as history's greatest with an astonishing record of 49-0. There may even be others who come close to this sort of glory but only one sticks out in my mind, Muhammad Ali. Ali is the greatest thing that ever happened to boxing, he's strategic, ****y, inteligent, used a cool head and a fast heart and even if he felt like **** still faught with a smile on his face just to make the other contendor feel intimidated. Many may be disscouraged that im even stating this, that im expressing my views on this but i dont believe im wrong. Try and prove me wrong, who is better than Ali? aubviously nobody.For me it's a tough call to make. If one factors off-the-ring persona into one's choice, then, yes, Ali, is far and away the greatest. But if one limits one's evaluation to accomplishments in the ring, Marciano, who retired undefeated tops the list. Sugar Ray Robinson may arguably be the best, having been dominant in three divisions although the best of his performance was at welter. Then, there's Armstrong whose record of holding titles SIMULTANEOUSLY in different divisions has not been close to being repeated, much less made better. But when/if more weight is given to defense, nobody touches the "Wil o' the Wisp" Pep. A story continues to circulate that Pep won a round without throwing a punch. Dunno if that's true. :) You guys make the call... :)

I feel when talking about "the greatest" we need to ask "who could beat any other fighter in the history of the sport". That is just my way of looking at it. So pretty much the question becomes who was the greatest heavyweight of all time, unles you believe a lighter guy could have beaten the best heavyweights.
In my opinion Ali was the greatest heavyweight ever, he could take any other boxer out in the ring. Therefore in my opinion he is "THE GREATEST"

Thats why the term "Pound For Pound" was created. Of course Jon Ruiz would beat Floyd Mayweather if they fought, but does that mean Ruiz is the better fighter?..no.

i dont think you can compare fighters from different eras because of advancement in training and nutrition. plus the new fighters learn from the past and try to improve . i think each generation is better than the last in any sport.

JC Chavez.

Thats why the term "Pound For Pound" was created. Of course Jon Ruiz would beat Floyd Mayweather if they fought, but does that mean Ruiz is the better fighter?..no.


Right, but the question didn't ask who was the greatest pound for pound boxer. It asked who is the greatest boxer of all time. That's why their is a special advantage or ****yness that goes along with being the Heavyweight Champ. You pretty much know you could kick anyones ass.

It's all a matter of criteria, and I explained mine. Even pound4pound though, I would rank Ali in the top 3.

I feel when talking about "the greatest" we need to ask "who could beat any other fighter in the history of the sport". That is just my way of looking at it. So pretty much the question becomes who was the greatest heavyweight of all time, unles you believe a lighter guy could have beaten the best heavyweights.
In my opinion Ali was the greatest heavyweight ever, he could take any other boxer out in the ring. Therefore in my opinion he is "THE GREATEST"

I agree with you Sonny.

I would have to go with J.C.Chavez. this guy was amazing. he didn't lose a fight until his 91st i beleive. no one can compare to that, he he always fought the best any div had to offer.

I would have to go with J.C.Chavez. this guy was amazing. he didn't lose a fight until his 91st i beleive. no one can compare to that, he he always fought the best any div had to offer.Chavez, yes, should be in the mix. He's a throwback to the golden days when most top fighters had records near, at, or more than the century mark. His record argues volumes...and loudly too! Foolish of me to have fogotten him in my earlier post. :)

Chavez, yes, should be in the mix. He's a throwback to the golden days when most top fighters had records near, at, or more than the century mark. His record argues volumes...and loudly too! Foolish of me to have fogotten him in my earlier post. :)

yes but non was still undefeated by the 90 mark.

Pernell Whitaker won a round while only throwing 1 punch too...I forget what fight it was... he won on just making the other fighter look like a fool. I think the greatest fighter ever was Ray Robinson. It's hard to argue against him...I mean the term p4p was created for him.

yes but non was still undefeated by the 90 mark.All the more Impressive! :)

Pernell Whitaker won a round while only throwing 1 punch too...I forget what fight it was... he won on just making the other fighter look like a fool. I think the greatest fighter ever was Ray Robinson. It's hard to argue against him...I mean the term p4p was created for him.Pernell did?! And to think I thought that Pep story was apochryphal! One punch! Awesome!

hhmm would ali have beatne a prime Joe louis? I dunno. I dont favour either in that, both are by far and away out there on their own as the gtreatest heavies in my view.

Generally when it comes to these lists its difficult to maintain, say if you make up a top ten theres bound to be fighters who you have missed from a different era, I kinda "doh" I missed him ****!! you know. So while these lists are fun to debate they are ultimately futile and pointless. :cool:


for me Sugar Ray R is the best.

hhmm would ali have beatne a prime Joe louis? I dunno. I dont favour either in that, both are by far and away out there on their own as the gtreatest heavies in my view.


I'd favour Ali in this particular fight, Joe Louis was a great fighter in every aspect apart from one department in my opinion and that was footwork. I don't think he would have been able to get close to a prime Muhammed Ali personally, Ali would be sticking and moving round him all the time. If they fought close quarters then Joe Louis would get the advantage. Someone like Ali with good footwork can dictate the pace of this fight and Joe Louis didn't have the footwork to seriously threaten Ali. Joe Louis doesn't get stopped though, Ali wins on points. Thats just my opinion and please don't think i am discrediting Joe Louis because i'm not, he is my number 2 heavyweight of all time but Ali is the king in my opinion

hio Wez, how you doing mate, you may be right there though frazier was hardly twinkle toes and he gave ali hell!

depends which ali we are talking I guess, pre ban or post.

Two different fighters imo.


Then again he adapted so well you have to think he would have possibly out though Joe...dunno though the brown bomber was somink special, I cant split em, i never have been able to. :cool:

both great in their own right.

hio Wez, how you doing mate, you may be right there though frazier was hardly twinkle toes and he gave ali hell!

depends which ali we are talking I guess, pre ban or post.

Two different fighters imo.


Then again he adapted so well you have to think he would have possibly out though Joe...dunno though the brown bomber was somink special, I cant split em, i never have been able to. :cool:

both great in their own right.

Hey JPW I’m doing fine thanks, I’m at work which is crap but apart from that everything’s cool. How are you doing?

You have a very good point with Joe Frazier, it’s amazing how more even these matchups can get the more you think about them. They are two very different fighter, Joe was very tactical and had explosive power in his fists. What always amazes me about Joe Louis was his ability to throw short range hooks with such devastating power. I think he would have given Muhammed Ali hell on the inside purely because Joe Louis was a heavy puncher with brains. George was an intelligent fighter when he was older but in his youth he just brawled and didn’t think too much. Muhammed Ali could adapt quickly, it would have been very interesting. I still give him the edge in this fight though, I get a feeling that Ali’s footwork would overwhelm Joe Louis. I know Frazier gave Ali trouble but thinking about it now each fighter and fight is different. It was like Ken Norton, he only gave Ali so much trouble because of the way Ali fought him, he made things difficult on himself in those fights. Ali kept backing off and let Norton fight his fight which was a bad idea.

Both fighters are very great and I couldn’t separate them before but over the last few months my opinions have changed through watching more and learning more about Ali.

I can't wait until your part of the bet gets deleted. Because I know you really know boxing.

I can't wait until your part of the bet gets deleted. Because I know you really know boxing.

:) Thank you for your compliment, it will be deleted soon. I had faith that Oscar De La Hoya would win, i still think he would have if it would have gone the distance but i guess we will never know now. I respect him compeletely for trying to achieve ultimate greatness in boxing.

YEAH AGREED WEZ, Im kool cheers bro, at work too, though sites such as this ease the pain if not up the workload.

I take you point bout Ali but sometimes certain styles cause fighters some grief, Norton for Ali, read Forrest for Mosely, Tarver for Jones etc.

Would have been a good fight betewen the brown bomber and G.O.A.T. too close too call I reckon but you make some valid points there bro.

Speaking of which have you seen the book of the same name, its truly awesome though you would need a plinth to put it on.

There was an Aliexhibtion I went to just off the dstrand in London near where I work, nice two hour lunch that was wandering around looking at the photos and memorabilia, the book was there too.

Must admit Im not sure I could have stretched to 5 grand for the signed copies nor found a place to keep it!!! :D

YEAH AGREED WEZ, Im kool cheers bro, at work too, though sites such as this ease the pain if not up the workload.

I take you point bout Ali but sometimes certain styles cause fighters some grief, Norton for Ali, read Forrest for Mosely, Tarver for Jones etc.

Would have been a good fight betewen the brown bomber and G.O.A.T. too close too call I reckon but you make some valid points there bro.

Speaking of which have you seen the book of the same name, its truly awesome though you would need a plinth to put it on.

There was an Aliexhibtion I went to just off the dstrand in London near where I work, nice two hour lunch that was wandering around looking at the photos and memorabilia, the book was there too.

Must admit Im not sure I could have stretched to 5 grand for the signed copies nor found a place to keep it!!! :D

:D Ah your working too, it’s cool to be able to post on here and get paid for doing it. My work comes in bouts so when I get free time I utilise it well by talking boxing. ;)

:eek: I haven’t seen that book you mentioned, I would love to see it though. At 5 grand a copy you would have to cherish that completely, a slight tear would bug the hell out of me. I bet the exhibition was cool to look around, I haven’t been to one before. Although if I did go to one I would spend too much money, I would be like a little kid in a sweet shop. Have you read the Muhammad Ali biography by Thomas Hauser? That was very insightful read, that’s where I learned most of what I know about Ali

"Thank you for your compliment, it will be deleted soon. I had faith that Oscar De La Hoya would win, i still think he would have if it would have gone the distance "

Wez, based on what...besides your own wishful thinking ?

He was NOT in the lead....& was starting to get it worse with each passing round.
Are you saying you believe Oscar, who has a history of fading, was going to suddenly start beating on Hopkins, a man who never fades ?

Oh, yes...the best fighter of all time is Ray Robinson.
Sure, it seems cliche to say that. But, what he did at 147, before any footage of him ws taken....was pretty amazing.

Armstrong is a very close second. This man didn't win any "junior/super" titles...he won 3 TRUE titles, & did so within a year ! He didn't have time to get comforatble in a weight classs. He just went into these divisions, fought the best guys, & beat the best guys.
During this run, he challenged the middleweight champ, the tough Ceferino Garcia....& supposedly got shafted on the cards.
Can you imagine anything like this happening now ?

yip I have wez, another good one is "Facing Ali" cant remember the author but its 15 of his opponents, and what's happened to them during and since meeting ali, focussing on their fights with Ali obviously, very entertaining read.

Especially the frazier chapter, amazed me that Joe actually helped Ali so much when he was out in the cold.

The book is so massive and expensive cos its signed by Ali, only a 1000 copies signed I belive hence the hefty price tag. It is however a work of art.

thats a good point..... anyone know which are the best boxing books to read, i dont do any reading because it doesnt interest me but if it had somethin to do with boxing, past or present then i would take it up


anyway, best fighter of all time

Ali/robinson/marciano/hagler

sure mate heres a few:

Dark trade by Donald Mcrae (insight into Toney espeically ) great book this, everyday lives of boxers. IN fact possibly my favourite.

One i finshed recently but was written in 74 The greatest my own story, bout ali, ghost written by a guy called Durman I think.

Obviously
Thomas Hauser's "Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times

if you like you old 40s history Gilroy by Jim Glen is an interesting read bout a champ who never was and gives a good oversight into the social sturcture and the "booths" in post war scotland / britain.

Punchlines by Phil berger covers lots of different fighters.


"Tyson in and out of the ring" is another Ive been recomemended but not read.


Im reading one at present whci is more of a picture book if you like on Lennox, its a lovely book to own this one as the fotos are really somink else, photso by Blaise hart and text by meilssa mathison.

It covers a few fights over a period of time with actual i/views with the great man.

very light but enjoyable and like I say a nice book to own.

that keep ya busy for now? :D

Wez, based on what...besides your own wishful thinking ?

He was NOT in the lead....& was starting to get it worse with each passing round.
Are you saying you believe Oscar, who has a history of fading, was going to suddenly start beating on Hopkins, a man who never fades ?
?

No i don't think that BUT when a fight goes to the score cards the judges have tendencies to make the wrong decisions and in a fight like that i am 100% that they would have given it to Oscar. Everyone wanted to see history been made and i think they would have done it at any cost. How did OScar get past Sturm? He lost that fight in my opinion but the judges still gave him the decision there so that is what i was basing my opinion that Oscar would have won by going the distance. The judges would have just turned around and said "He had good combination punching" etc.

No i don't think that BUT when a fight goes to the score cards the judges have tendencies to make the wrong decisions and in a fight like that i am 100% that they would have given it to Oscar. Everyone wanted to see history been made and i think they would have done it at any cost. How did OScar get past Sturm? He lost that fight in my opinion but the judges still gave him the decision there so that is what i was basing my opinion that Oscar would have won by going the distance. The judges would have just turned around and said "He had good combination punching" etc.

I agree with you Wez. I like your avatar.

Wez....

Would you support that kind of travesty ?

Wez....

Would you support that kind of travesty ?

No I wouldn’t to be honest no matter how much I supported that fighter, I would rather them win properly than have the decision given to him. Once the judges make a bad decision there is nothing we as spectators can do so I guess we can only put up with it. Even if a fighter is given a bad decision you cannot blame the fighter because he was just doing his job, the judges would be the ones who made the error. I compared this to the Oscar-Bernard fight because I just had a gut feeling that Oscar would win if it went the distance.

yip I have wez, another good one is "Facing Ali" cant remember the author but its 15 of his opponents, and what's happened to them during and since meeting ali, focussing on their fights with Ali obviously, very entertaining read.

Especially the frazier chapter, amazed me that Joe actually helped Ali so much when he was out in the cold.

The book is so massive and expensive cos its signed by Ali, only a 1000 copies signed I belive hence the hefty price tag. It is however a work of art.

Hmmmm I may have to look for the “Facing Ali” book, I always like to hear about what his opponents thought of him. Muhammed made a lot of people famous in his own ways, Chuck Wepner became a star through fighting him. Coopmen became a local hero too for fighting him. His life story is amazing, he has lived through so many great experiences. The sadder part to it all is that most of the people who influenced him were just after his money because they knew he was nice. :( Some say Ali even knew people were stealing from him but he turned a blind eye to it. I would pay any price for a good Ali book.

its a good book wez I can recomemedn especially if you are an "ali lover" (who sint, if you pardon the expression.

Just i/viewed the new brit middleweight champ Scott Dann.

What a nice fella. :cool:

better go Ive done no work today I coudl be geting the sack if Im not careful.


back later :D

its a good book wez I can recomemedn especially if you are an "ali lover" (who sint, if you pardon the expression.

Just i/viewed the new brit middleweight champ Scott Dann.

What a nice fella. :cool:

better go Ive done no work today I coudl be geting the sack if Im not careful.


back later :D

I'm going to look on Amazon to see if i can order it. I suppose i am an "Ali Lover" but not in a homosexual way of course. I just admire the man and the life he has lived.

I haven't seen much of Scott Dann, how did you get to interview him?

:D You get some work done anyway, getting the sack is no good at all. Boxing is addictive but it's not worth losing your job over. ;)

IM BACK BOSS IN A MEETING :D

he is our british boxer of the week at the site I write for so just got his managers number form the esteemed runner of the site, who has forgotten more about boxing than Ill ever know.

Its a pretty tight community in England you know. No problem with people speaking to you, no problem getitng inteviews its just finding the time.

Anyway he has loads of peoples number Im gonna do a piece onteh Lightwieghts which is a strong division and try and get Jim Watt to do a commentary for us on it.

Oscar wouldn't have won if the fight went the distance. Hopkins i believe had a commanding lead on two scorecards and was losing on one. And by the looks of the mid rounds, Hopkins wasn't about to budge and give up some points. Had the fight continued, Bernard would've swept the late rounds and gotten the decision.

IM BACK BOSS IN A MEETING :D

he is our british boxer of the week at the site I write for so just got his managers number form the esteemed runner of the site, who has forgotten more about boxing than Ill ever know.

Its a pretty tight community in England you know. No problem with people speaking to you, no problem getitng inteviews its just finding the time.

Anyway he has loads of peoples number Im gonna do a piece onteh Lightwieghts which is a strong division and try and get Jim Watt to do a commentary for us on it.

:rolleyes: Jim Watt, i don't mean no disrespect here but he really annoys me so much. I don't know why but each time he commentates on a fight i always get pissed at him. He is so bias sometimes. I like Ian Darke as a commentator, he speaks sense. :cool:

The judges, the comentating and even the ref (i counted 2 nut shots, 1 bad one) were all about Oscar winnig this fight......you can't argue that point what so ever

Actually, at the time of the stoppage, two judges had Hopkins winning.

I would have to go with J.C.Chavez. this guy was amazing. he didn't lose a fight until his 91st i beleive. no one can compare to that, he he always fought the best any div had to offer.



VERY TRUE, LIKE IVE SAID A MILLION TIMES WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANOTHER FIGHTER LIKE HIM IN OUR LIFETIME! OR EVER AGAIN.

Jimmy Wilde went unbeaten in his first 101 bouts, i believe.

Sugar Ray Leonard

VERY TRUE, LIKE IVE SAID A MILLION TIMES WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANOTHER FIGHTER LIKE HIM IN OUR LIFETIME! OR EVER AGAIN.


"For many years all the leading record books, including both Pugilato and The Ring Record Book, recorded the first loss of Julio Cesar Chavez as being by disqualification....
This has since been changed to a knockout victory for Chavez, based on confirmation from the local boxing commission in Culiacan that it altered the verdict the following day.
Ramon Felix, manager of Chavez, happened to be a member of the Culiacan commission at the time."
The A-Z of World Boxing by Bert Blewett (1996) at p. 341.

That was in his roughly 15th fight.

Whitaker was ROBBED against Chavez, i had Whitaker winning 10 rounds to 2.

Chavez is awesome, but he's no Jimmy Wilde or Roberto Duran.

Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins

once he retires im going to start rooting for winky wright

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Sugar Ray Robinson and it aint up for debate


amenamenamenamenAMEN!

ROCKY MARCIANO ........... Did he have weak competition, or was he just that good?

He just might have made any fighter of any generation look bad.

i think anybody who calls a boxer who fought in the 50s and 60s the greatest of all time is pretty pathetic..fighters are much better today...roy jones is the greatest of all time..he went about 12 13 years barely loseing a round..their was or is nobody who will ever dominate like that again

Roy is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but you cant compare the fighters Jones faced like Garbagemen, Cops, and Postal workers to some of the fighters of the 50's and 60's who faced top level opponents sometimes 4 to 5 times back to back, guys who fought 10 fights a year, not 1-3 like we these days. It's easy too look good for most of these guys when they average 2 fights per year, there were guys in the 50s and 60s that had two fights a month.

A prime Tyson is my pick.Who could he not of beat of any generation?Power in both hands,and walked though the best of jabs(ask Larry Holmes,Spinks).He could throw from any angle with power,and hw speed thats ungodly.Plus his stamina was much better back then to go the distance.

i think anybody who calls a boxer who fought in the 50s and 60s the greatest of all time is pretty pathetic..fighters are much better today...roy jones is the greatest of all time..he went about 12 13 years barely loseing a round..their was or is nobody who will ever dominate like that again

Today's fighters are better? Based on what? If anything, the fighters back then were better. They didn't have the luxuries of the pampered fighters of today. They fought more than two times a year, there were only 8 weight classes, and there was only one champion in each division. The road to glory was significantly tougher. Now, i'm not saying the fighters of yesteryear were better. I think if you're great in a particular era, you could compete in any other era.

Regarding Roy Jones Jr., though i view him as an all-time great, but he isn't even close to being the greatest. His opposition is better than people make it out to be, but it isn't that impressive either. And that's what brings him down in my book.

Today's fighters are better? Based on what? If anything, the fighters back then were better. They didn't have the luxuries of the pampered fighters of today. They fought more than two times a year, there were only 8 weight classes, and there was only one champion in each division. The road to glory was significantly tougher. Now, i'm not saying the fighters of yesteryear were better. I think if you're great in a particular era, you could compete in any other era.

Regarding Roy Jones Jr., though i view him as an all-time great, but he isn't even close to being the greatest. His opposition is better than people make it out to be, but it isn't that impressive either. And that's what brings him down in my book.

Cple...I always enjoy reading your opinions...always on point and level headed. I couldn't agree more.

IMO Roberto Duran is the greatest of all time pound for pound. a killer knock out artist (Hands of Stone) and a supreme boxer who was underrated in that department. Lightweight champ really undisputed for 7 YEARS! That was back in the 70s when belts meant a little more than they do today. He was ferocous and feared, a legend. At the age of 30 he stepped up to welterweight to fight a prime Ray Leonard, using him as a heavy bag for 15 rounds while winning the Welterweight crown!

He fell from grace as most human beings do when he surrendered in the Leonard rematch, but what happened afterwards cements his legendary status. He moves up in weight again at 32, and as a heavy underdog hammered Jr Middle champ Davy Moore for that title. THEN.. he steps up to middleweight, giving the feared Marven Hagler all he could handle for 15 rounds, only losing by a point or 2.

After almost getting his head knocked off by Tommy Hearns, he comes back again at 37, engaging in one of the greatest ring wars ever against Middleweight Champ Iran Barkley who had KOd Hearns! Duran won the Middleweight Belt.

The Duran who beat Barkley would have done the same to Hopkins, believe me. Duran would have killed Oscar.

It's a shame that younger fans today only remember Duran if they remember him at all as the old guy fighting Camacho and Paz. Look at his record, his opponents, his longevity, and importantly his ability to come back after being down (listen up Roy Jones) and a great case for Roberto being the greatest can be made. Facts are stubborn things!

I look foreward to hearing an opposing view, it's great we have this forum to exchange facts..er.. opinions.

i so disagree with the comment of each era had been better then the nest...dude hell no..especially the HW division...take lenoz lewis for example..he donminated a era of old holyfields-shot tyson and small good boxers...in the 70's with ali-forman-shavers-norton-frazier or even 80's-holmes etc..i dont think he would have even made a dent...the 70's HW divison may have been one of the best....and in other weight also...past fighters have been way better then any of those today...a J.C. Chavez in his prime would clear the lightweight-welter divison today with great exciting fight to say the least..so sometimes i think it doesnt get better with year (a divison)...and in somecases it has (featherweight)

best of all time???

ali-greatest HW of all time no doubt
Sugar ray robinson-p4p boxer of all time

Sugar Ray Robinson. ARguably Henry Armstrong. Nobody else comes close.

Theres Robinson and ARmstrong on one tier.....everyone else is a tier below. Nobody comes close to these two.

Sugar Ray Robinson. ARguably Henry Armstrong. Nobody else comes close.

Theres Robinson and ARmstrong on one tier.....everyone else is a tier below. Nobody comes close to these two.


That's just p4p though. The term "greatest" can be defined in different ways.

Roy is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but you cant compare the fighters Jones faced like Garbagemen, Cops, and Postal workers to some of the fighters of the 50's and 60's who faced top level opponents sometimes 4 to 5 times back to back, guys who fought 10 fights a year, not 1-3 like we these days. It's easy too look good for most of these guys when they average 2 fights per year, there were guys in the 50s and 60s that had two fights a month.


Rick knows boxing baby!

Sonny

What is the difference between Greatness & P4P?

Well, greatest could mean who is the best head-2-head. I mean if we could have a tournament of all boxers through time, who would come out on top. Of course that stacks the odds in the heavyweights corner, but their is something to be said for being the biggest and the strongest.

I think Ali could take any other boxer of all time head-2-head in the ring. Therefore he is my "greatest".

Actually, if anything, p4p would be a head to head matchup between two fighters. But not a straight up match. P4P, is sort of a mythical idea, where all fighters are in one weight class, but maintain their physical attributes and talents respective to their actual real-life division. So in a p4p fight between Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali, Sugar would have the edge in power, even though in reality Ali probably hit significantly harder. It is a difficult idea to put into words, but it is generally understood.

However, I think a fighter's greatness should be determined by his level of opposition, dominance, longevity, and overall accomplishments. I think winning a head to head matchup is secondary to the aforementioned categories.

However, I think a fighter's greatness should be determined by his level of opposition, dominance, longevity, and overall accomplishments. I think winning a head to head matchup is secondary to the aforementioned categories.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! That's why my vote is for the great Roberto Duran!

Actually, if anything, p4p would be a head to head matchup between two fighters. But not a straight up match. P4P, is sort of a mythical idea, where all fighters are in one weight class, but maintain their physical attributes and talents respective to their actual real-life division. So in a p4p fight between Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali, Sugar would have the edge in power, even though in reality Ali probably hit significantly harder. It is a difficult idea to put into words, but it is generally understood.

However, I think a fighter's greatness should be determined by his level of opposition, dominance, longevity, and overall accomplishments. I think winning a head to head matchup is secondary to the aforementioned categories.


If you use "level of opposition, dominance, longevity, and overall accomplishments" as your criteria, Ali still comes out smelling like a rose if you consider the guy dominated the heavyweight division during its golden age, dispite losing 3 and a half years of his prime. Simply phenominal.

However, I think a fighter's greatness should be determined by his level of opposition, dominance, longevity, and overall accomplishments. I think winning a head to head matchup is secondary to the aforementioned categories.
Exactly! That's why my vote is for the great Roberto Duran!


Duran may be top 5 p4p of all time, but "the greatest boxer ever" would never quit in the ring like a little *****.

Duran may be top 5 p4p of all time, but "the greatest boxer ever" would never quit in the ring like a little *****.

I'm willing to overlook Duran's "No Mas", considering what he accomplished and how he did it. The man was simply amazing in every aspect of the game and was possibly the most complete fighter to ever live.


If you use "level of opposition, dominance, longevity, and overall accomplishments" as your criteria, Ali still comes out smelling like a rose if you consider the guy dominated the heavyweight division during its golden age, dispite losing 3 and a half years of his prime. Simply phenominal.

Oh, i don't doubt that Ali is an all-time great, who in their right mind would? However, by my criteria, Ali is at #5 all-time, but still is the greatest heavyweight ever. And in my opinion, that's a justifiable ranking.

morrad hakar and patrick charpentier during his welterweight reign of terror.

morrad hakar and patrick charpentier during his welterweight reign of terror.
:D You crazy sucka! :cool:

Rocky/Roy Jones

I'm not sure who i'd rate as the greatest fighter of all time!?

I do know who WASNT the greatest!! Muhammad Ali!!

Mike Tyson

Mike Tyson


Fedot, do I know you ?

ali or marciano. those two are the best in the last 100 years. marciano retired undefeated, ali was jus the best. so its a tie for me

For me, the greatest fighter of all time has got to be Marciano. The Rock was the best conditioned athelete in history, nobody trained as hard or has as much determination. He faced 6 of the other all time greats in the ring, including Ali just before the Rock's death for a computer simulation, and BEAT THEM ALL. In the simulation fight, Rocky knocked Ali down with bodyshots, twice, after the second Ali refused to continue. The second greatest is probably Joe Louis, he had incredible power in his combinations, just ask Max Schmeling - Joe's combinations to the body broke two vertebrae in Schmeling's back. When Louis faced Marciano the Rock KTFO'd ( Knocked The **** Out! )him in the 8th round, and Louis retired for good. Marciano could beat any of today's fighters, as another all time great Jack Dempsey said " Marciano punches harder with the right hand than any modern day heavyweight. The right scrambled Jersey Joe's ( Walcott's) brains at Chicago."

who did marciano ever beat that were in their prime, over the hill brown bomber, the ol mongoose,. yeah he was great but P4P.....IT SUGAR RAY Robinson THEN Armstrong then HAAANDZ OOOOOOOOF STOOOOOOOONE ROBERTO DURAN. AND IF U HATE ON DURAN FUK , HES THE GREATEST LIGHWEIGHT OF ALLTIME WON AT WELTERWEIGHT AND MIDDLEWEIGHT AT 36.I'LL DEBAT ANY1AND DEFEND DURAN AS THE 3RD GREATEST FIGHTER.

yes but non was still undefeated by the 90 mark.

Jimmy Wilde > Julio Cesar Chavez

The "Mighty Atom" went undefeated for at least his first 100 fights before finally losing his flyweight championship to Tancy Lee.

Jimmy Wilde went unbeaten in his first 101 bouts, i believe.

Which has already been previously stated by Cple.

Ali, name says it all :) . Best p4p was SRR. General consensus I guess.

1. Robinson
2. Ali
............

For me, the greatest fighter of all time has got to be Marciano. The Rock was the best conditioned athelete in history, nobody trained as hard or has as much determination. He faced 6 of the other all time greats in the ring, including Ali just before the Rock's death for a computer simulation, and BEAT THEM ALL. In the simulation fight, Rocky knocked Ali down with bodyshots, twice, after the second Ali refused to continue. The second greatest is probably Joe Louis, he had incredible power in his combinations, just ask Max Schmeling - Joe's combinations to the body broke two vertebrae in Schmeling's back. When Louis faced Marciano the Rock KTFO'd ( Knocked The **** Out! )him in the 8th round, and Louis retired for good. Marciano could beat any of today's fighters, as another all time great Jack Dempsey said " Marciano punches harder with the right hand than any modern day heavyweight. The right scrambled Jersey Joe's ( Walcott's) brains at Chicago."

I agree

Nobody can doubt Marciano, he was a great athlete who never met his match!!

Sugar Ray Robinson. ARguably Henry Armstrong. Nobody else comes close.

Theres Robinson and ARmstrong on one tier.....everyone else is a tier below. Nobody comes close to these two.



Sam Langford comes close, he was a welterweight who gave jack jOhnson ( then the heavyweight champ of the world ) a lot of problems when they fought an " exhibition " match. Later Langford bulked up and fought heavyweights and beat some good ones. Talk about pound 4 pound, welterweight to heavyweight

Definatley Ali. Marciano may have retired undefeated however his competiton was questionable, and infact he only defended the title 6 times before entering retirement. Ali when his skills were beginning to peak 1967 was banned from boxing... at this time he was undefeated who knows what would of happened if he was allowed to continue boxing through this ban period and retain his foot and hand speed. In my opinion Its Ali, louis, Marciano

I once read an article on the IBHOF website where they talk about the fantasy fight Ali vs. Louis. They first talk about there accomplishments and a whole bunch of other stuff, then they talk about a particular Ali fight where he was fighting someone and he was bobbing and weaving to make them miss and at one point he moved his head right into a punch and got knocked down, got up at the count of 4 or 5,and dominated the rest of the fight, they said that had that been a punch from Joe Louis Ali wouldn't have gotten up at anytime during the count.

As far as the greatest of all time goes I'll give the title to me, and no I'm not being biased..

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/alilouis.html

People please take time to read this...
It will tell you why Ali isn't the greatest of all time.

Muhammad Ali hands down brought boxing closer to people than any boxer in history. Ali, I believe is the most popular athlete in the whole world, Michael Jordan included.

muhammad ali

No doubt Ali . . . but still this question is too subjective and will never have a definite answer. ;)

Sam Langford comes close, he was a welterweight who gave jack jOhnson ( then the heavyweight champ of the world ) a lot of problems when they fought an " exhibition " match. Later Langford bulked up and fought heavyweights and beat some good ones. Talk about pound 4 pound, welterweight to heavyweight

It's a myth that Langford gave Johnson problems. In fact, from most accounts i have read, Johnson was in control for pretty much the whole fight. Still, that shouldn't detract from Langford.

It's a myth that Langford gave Johnson problems. In fact, from most accounts i have read, Johnson was in control for pretty much the whole fight. Still, that shouldn't detract from Langford.


i read that too, but i also read that johnson refused to give langford a rematch, so i figure there's something we don't know

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4.JCC
5.Ali
6. Joe Louis
7. Roberto Duran
8.Marvin Hagler
9. Larry Holmes
10. Roy Jones Jr.
11. Mike Tyson
12.Pernell Whitaker
13.Evander Holyfield
14. Erik Morales
15.James Toney

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4.JCC
5.Ali
6. Joe Louis
7. Roberto Duran
8.Marvin Hagler
9. Larry Holmes
10. Roy Jones Jr.
11. Mike Tyson
12.Pernell Whitaker
13.Evander Holyfield
14. Erik Morales
15.James Toney

What I find interesting is how you rank Chavez over Whitaker when Whitaker clearly beat 'em..

What I find interesting is how you rank Chavez over Whitaker when Whitaker clearly beat 'em..



that was one of the biggest rip offs in boxing history, whitaker clearly schooled chavez

What I find interesting is how you rank Chavez over Whitaker when Whitaker clearly beat 'em..

Though i do rank Whitaker over Chavez, beating one opponent doesn't automatically make you greater.

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4.JCC
5.Ali
6. Joe Louis
7. Roberto Duran
8.Marvin Hagler
9. Larry Holmes
10. Roy Jones Jr.
11. Mike Tyson
12.Pernell Whitaker
13.Evander Holyfield
14. Erik Morales
15.James Toney

Roy Jones, Holyfield, and especially Tyson, Morales, and Toney do not belong anywhere near the top 15. Jones and Holyfield are probably top 25-30. Other than that, the list is fine, except i wouldn't rank Chavez that high.

I would also put Sugar Ray Leonard somewhere in there..

What I find interesting is how you rank Chavez over Whitaker when Whitaker clearly beat 'em..


That's his personal opinion . . . but I also find it strange putting JCC above Ali's name. :D

Marciano hands downs but if lamotta would have stayed clean and kept his mind strictly on boxing with a heart like his and his toughness i think he could be right up there and you cant forget ray robinson and archie moore and ali is overrated

Sugar Ray Robinson

i really can't see anyone beating RJJ in his prime. How could you beat him, without being able to hit him?

ali hands down

kostya tszyu is my definition of a great fighter. I did not get the opportunity to watch all of them so i will leave it at that.

Floyd Mayweather has a great shot at being the greatest fighter ever. I'm all for it.

to me its gotta be Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson the man had and incredible career record 173-19-6 (106 ko's)that **** is insane 200 pro fights were lucky if elite fighters in our era fight more than 3x a year.

I would have to go with J.C.Chavez. this guy was amazing. he didn't lose a fight until his 91st i beleive. no one can compare to that, he he always fought the best any div had to offer.Dude Pernell Whitaker won the fight against Chavez, but it was a draw, Whitaker won atleast 10 rounds in that fight, but for some reason it turn out to be a draw. If you remember the Juan LaPorte fight, most people thought that LaPorte won the fight against Chavez. Chavez was also losing the fight against Meldrick Taylor until Richrad steel stopped the fight with 2 seconds remaining. I don't see Chavez beating Mayweather, I think it would of been an easy fight for Floyd Mayweather. Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time, he changed boxing for good. He lost once in 136 fights in his prime. Roy Jones called Sugar Ray Robinson the greatest of all time. Also Ali will tell you the same thing.

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i really can't see anyone beating RJJ in his prime. How could you beat him, without being able to hit him?
RJJ in his prime was the ****, this man was ****ing amazing!!!

Dude Pernell Whitaker won the fight against Chavez, but it was a draw, Whitaker won atleast 10 rounds in that fight, but for some reason it turn out to be a draw. If you remember the Juan LaPorte fight, most people thought that LaPorte won the fight against Chavez. Chavez was also losing the fight against Meldrick Taylor until Richrad steel stopped the fight with 2 seconds remaining. I don't see Chavez beating Mayweather, I think it would of been an easy fight for Floyd Mayweather. Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time, he changed boxing for good. He lost once in 136 fights in his prime. Roy Jones called Sugar Ray Robinson the greatest of all time. Also Ali will tell you the same thing.


Chavez would have worn down and stopped Mayweather in the late rounds. Think of Mayweather/Castillo I, x10, and you have what Chavez would do to him. Floyd doesn't have the legs to stay on his bike for 12 rounds when Chavez is coming at him. JCC was 10 times better than any opponent that Floyd has faced so far.

Nobody is better than Ali....Just read my username, it tells it all.

Are you joking? Ali of course!!

Ali is #1.

Chavez would have worn down and stopped Mayweather in the late rounds. Think of Mayweather/Castillo I, x10, and you have what Chavez would do to him. Floyd doesn't have the legs to stay on his bike for 12 rounds when Chavez is coming at him. JCC was 10 times better than any opponent that Floyd has faced so far.Yes you think everyone would've beat PBF. Chavez didn't have the power to stop PBF. PBF is another Whitaker with more power. What Whitaker did to Chavez, Mayweather will do the same but he will win the fight by a late TKO, Mayweather hits much harder then Whitaker & he would've give Chavez the worst beating in his life. Everyone mentioning the first fight with Castaco, PBF beat Castaco in both fights. Especially in the second fight he proved it even more. He didn't took Castaco to seriously in the first fight, but he still beat him & won the fight. If PBF takes someone seriously he will beat them easily. Castaco is not the only fight that PBF didn't look good. Some fight PBF is just isn't there. If PBF shows up 100% he will not be beat by anyone at 130-147. You overrate Chavez just some of the other Mexican homers on this site. Chavez lost too many big fight, he's lucky that he got many gift decisions. Chavez had problem with most of the good fighter he fought, he beat bunch of bums. Another overrated fighter by the media.

Yes you think everyone would've beat PBF. Chavez didn't have the power to stop PBF. PBF is another Whitaker with more power. What Whitaker did to Chavez, Mayweather will do the same but he will win the fight by a late TKO, Mayweather hits much harder then Whitaker & he would've give Chavez the worst beating in his life. Everyone mentioning the first fight with Castaco, PBF beat Castaco in both fights. Especially in the second fight he proved it even more. He didn't took Castaco to seriously in the first fight, but he still beat him & won the fight. If PBF takes someone seriously he will beat them easily. Castaco is not the only fight that PBF didn't look good. Some fight PBF is just isn't there. If PBF shows up 100% he will not be beat by anyone at 130-147. You overrate Chavez just some of the other Mexican homers on this site. Chavez lost too many big fight, he's lucky that he got many gift decisions. Chavez had problem with most of the good fighter he fought, he beat bunch of bums. Another overrated fighter by the media.

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i wish i knew you in person, your a freaking genious (see sig lmao)

i wish i knew you in person, your a freaking genious (see sig lmao)No you really wish that you don't know me, because I would shove some burritos up your ass & send you back where you came from. You're a raciest Mexican **** & you proven this over & over that you're a raciest ****ing homer.

Going by longevity, opposition, title tenure and overall ability, I'll say Joe Louis then Robinson.

when u get a term named after u in boxing and its used to comapre you to fighters liek heavyweights u must be the greatest, SRR forever

Rickson Gracie! :)

Going by longevity, opposition, title tenure and overall ability, I'll say Joe Louis then Robinson.

Joe Louis'opposition better than Robinson's?

Come to think of it, Robinson has it over Louis in three of the departments you listed - Louis reign was longer.

ROCKY "the brockton blockbuster" MARCIANO.

Sugar Ray Robinson. Next question...

Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest boxer ever. The greatest heavyweights over their careers were Joe Louis and Gene Tunney.

The most devastating heavyweight for a short period of time was probably Mike Tyson in the late 80's.

Detractors of Sugar Ray Robinson argue that you can't campare fighters of different eras. The truth of the matter is, Robinson dominated his era more than any other fighter ever dominated his, thereby making him - with apologies to Muhammad Ali - #4# "The Greatest" fighter of all times...

it sickens me everytime I hear that muhammed ali is the greatest boxer of all time. Its like people pick their favorites by who gets on more advertisements and who is on TV the most. Muhammed Ali was a runner, he said it himself "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" except he didnt really sting like a bee, he did plenty of floating though.

i dont think you can compare fighters from different eras because of advancement in training and nutrition. plus the new fighters learn from the past and try to improve . i think each generation is better than the last in any sport.

smart man but there are some exceptions

Then, there's Armstrong whose record of holding titles SIMULTANEOUSLY in different divisions has not been close to being repeated, much less made better.

Barney Ross held three championships in three divisions simultaneously, as well, and it's worth noting that he accomplished his trifecta previous to Armstrong's doing the same a few years later.

Rob fought 16 current/former/future undisputed/lineal champions from 5 different weight classes in his career, posting a mark of, like, 24-10. Most of the losses cam after the age of 35. His last win against a future World champ was Ralph Dupas in the early 60s; his first was in 1941. The only guy close was Greb, who fought 13 champions, 3 HOFers and went something like 27-12.

In comparison, Ray Leonard fought six, going 6-2-1. Mayweather has fought six, going 7-0 so far. In other words, they were arguably as great in their time as Rob was in his but not greater and not great enough to supplant him.

Sharkey: Good, important note on Ross.

Muhammad Ali


:boxing:

Sugar Ray Robinson

END OF DISCUSSION

Homo Sapiens

<--------- this guy is underrated IMO marvin marvelous haggler

<--------- this guy is underrated IMO marvin marvelous haggler

Hagler was da man. And one of the best middleweights ever but I don't think he's best. People show Hagler respect. Nowadays who doesn't give Hagler credit?

duran and archie moore fought till they were 50 and were winning almost all there fights

I am :boxing:

i think sugar ray robinson

I am :boxing:
you got my vote.... :boxing:

:D

Hagler was da man. And one of the best middleweights ever but I don't think he's best. People show Hagler respect. Nowadays who doesn't give Hagler credit?
well he was underrated though and he is my favorite of all,
but SRL is up there too....just great over all popular, gold medalist he had it all what haggler never had....star power......thats another thing in the ring and outside the ring is two different things, outside he ring maybe ALI is my favorite

This guy is underrated IMO: Marvin Marvelous HagglerIt's one thing to be underrated, it's quite another to be the greatest fighter of all times. This thread is about the latter...

BTW, Marvelous before Marvin; he legally changed his first name to the former.

Some favor the classics, others pick the more recent but it really is a question of who is or was the greatest fighter of all time. Some may argue that Sugar Ray Robinson dominated in his time, he made it big and dominated the 40's 50's and some of the 60's containing a record of 175-19 (fairly impressive i believe). Others may argue that Rocky Marciano should hold that place as history's greatest with an astonishing record of 49-0. There may even be others who come close to this sort of glory but only one sticks out in my mind, Muhammad Ali. Ali is the greatest thing that ever happened to boxing, he's strategic, ****y, inteligent, used a cool head and a fast heart and even if he felt like **** still faught with a smile on his face just to make the other contendor feel intimidated. Many may be disscouraged that im even stating this, that im expressing my views on this but i dont believe im wrong. Try and prove me wrong, who is better than Ali? aubviously nobody.

I think Ali is a great fighter but by that same token he is one of the most overrated figures in boxing history. What he did for the sport will never be equalled but if we confine our inquiry to what happened in the ring he isn't even top 5 (imo). He received several beneficial decisions because he was "the greatest" and the whole Sonny Liston fiasco still doesn't sit right with me. Beating Foreman was probably the most significant moment in boxing history but lets not forget that Ali lost to Frazier, and Ken Norton not so long before. In the end who did he really beat to be considered the best ever...Frazier and Foreman are the only 2 world class fighters he beat in their prime. Norton was a good but not great fighter; Patterson was old; Chevalo and Foley were serviceable. And I refuse to ignore the fact that he decided to continue to fight and lost to Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick. Yes Sugar Ray Robinson lost to some average fighters at the end of his career but he HAD to fight for money and Ali chose to continue.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Rocky Marciano
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez
Larry Holmes
Carlos Monzon
*In their prime

For me it's a tough call to make. If one factors off-the-ring persona into one's choice, then, yes, Ali, is far and away the greatest. But if one limits one's evaluation to accomplishments in the ring, Marciano, who retired undefeated tops the list. Sugar Ray Robinson may arguably be the best, having been dominant in three divisions although the best of his performance was at welter. Then, there's Armstrong whose record of holding titles SIMULTANEOUSLY in different divisions has not been close to being repeated, much less made better. But when/if more weight is given to defense, nobody touches the "Wil o' the Wisp" Pep. A story continues to circulate that Pep won a round without throwing a punch. Dunno if that's true. :) You guys make the call... :)

You can watch the entire round on youtube, go find it. It's true.

Sugar Ray without a dout :boxing:

JC Chavez.

I AGREE, HE FOUGHT FOR HIS PEOPLE. AND HE ALWAYS FOUGHT, AT LEAST A FIGHT A MONTH, BE IT A NOBODY TO A CONTENDER, HE NEVER DUCKED ANYONE. HE SHOULD HAVE RETIRED AT THE RIGHT TIME, BUT KEPT GOING JUST FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT.

Dude your keyboard it ****ed. Before its just the 1st letter...now all caps...lol.

SRR...hands down.

Some favor the classics, others pick the more recent but it really is a question of who is or was the greatest fighter of all time. Some may argue that Sugar Ray Robinson dominated in his time, he made it big and dominated the 40's 50's and some of the 60's containing a record of 175-19 (fairly impressive i believe). Others may argue that Rocky Marciano should hold that place as history's greatest with an astonishing record of 49-0. There may even be others who come close to this sort of glory but only one sticks out in my mind, Muhammad Ali. Ali is the greatest thing that ever happened to boxing, he's strategic, ****y, inteligent, used a cool head and a fast heart and even if he felt like **** still faught with a smile on his face just to make the other contendor feel intimidated. Many may be disscouraged that im even stating this, that im expressing my views on this but i dont believe im wrong. Try and prove me wrong, who is better than Ali? aubviously nobody.the greatest fighter ..........fighter is none other than the hands of stone........Roberto Duran ..........Duran.....Duran.......Duran......Duran.. ......:boxing:

its obvious!! its Ricky Hatton!!!









*** hides and ducks for cover.

Ray Robinson

the greatest fighter ..........fighter is none other than the hands of stone........Roberto Duran ..........Duran.....Duran.......Duran......Duran.. ......:boxing:What, are you nuts?!

What, are you nuts?! WHY AM I NUTS TELL ME ......EXPLAIN:ugh:

Jack Johnson.

Archie Moore......he fought my uncle. They went 13 rounds....My uncle got knocked out.
He has got to be the best then

The Greatest: Joe Louis

The Best: Sugar Ray Robinson

sugar ray was a great fighter, but joe louis was a great fighter and a great man.

god bless him.:hail:

All Time: Sugar Ray Robinson
Current Time: Floyd Mayweather

I'm too young to have watched Ali fight but I've seen many out of shape bums tagging him with shots in the ESPN Classic fights for him to be considered the greatest.

Maybe it is because the veto they imposed on him for not going to war prevented him from fighting on his prime but at least what I've seen of him aside from the Joe Louis trilogy doesn't merit him being even considered as the best boxer ever.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Rocky Marciano
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez
Larry Holmes
Carlos Monzon
*In their prime

henry armstrong is second only to srr, he's not even on your list

wow what an original thread. Thanks for creating a topic for the 1000000th time about who the G.O.A.T. is beeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
:sucks:

My List:

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Joe Lewis
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Archie Moore
9. Jack Johnson
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Rocky Marciano
12. Ray Leonard
13. George Foreman
14. Barney Ross
15. Mike Tyson

Rocky Marciano.....why you even asking? I would agree, BUT he said " fighter "...not boxer, so I say
1) Bruce Lee
2) Chuck norris
3)..........ROCKY/TYSON/LEWIS/DEMPSY/FRAZIER ( A 5 way tie ):banana:

Chuck norris

Gahaha....

Thats almost as funny as Marciano rated over Tyson.

Nobody, there is only a greatest fighter at a given time at a given weight.....

Nobody, there is only a greatest fighter at a given time at a given weight.....

I hear you! That about sums it right up!!!

If boxing were to be extinct....then maybe you can tally it up. Just like first there was "Doctor J", then along came Michael Jordan...now it's Kobe...up next...Lebron James. And his diapers soon to pass them all...baby AIRBORNE!

records were meant to be broken, and these kids are faster, stronger than when we were growing up.

It's gotta be the SIMILAC!!!

henry armstrong is second only to srr, he's not even on your listHave you ever heard the expression "different strokes for different folks?" I listed the first 10 I could remember off the top of my head without any research whatsoever. Henry Armstrong is a legend (simultaneous multiple titles) and easily could have made my list had I remebered him before.

Bones Adams

All Time: Sugar Ray Robinson
Current Time: Floyd MayweatherYou're contradicting yourself! "All time" means all time, including current time. You can't have it both ways, pal. Besides, you know damn well that deep down you really think Floyd's better than Sugar Ray...
:bsflag:

julio c. chavez is the greatest fighter of all time

sugar ray robinson
walker smith junior could give him a run for his money though.

Sugar Ray Robinson. It's not the "in" crowds popular choice.
It just is.
It might a be a little "generic".
But in his prime, I would put SRR against anybody at 140-160 range.
Hagler vs. SRR would be my dream fight.

Bruce Lee
SRR
Fedor
Those come to mind

A young 21 year old Naz Hamed was the greatest p4p fighter the world had ever seen.

A young 21 year old Naz Hamed was the greatest p4p fighter the world had ever seen.

i always wondered who naz's fav fighter was,he was so ****in unorthodoxed.

A young 21 year old Naz Hamed was the greatest p4p fighter the world had ever seen.

Hard for me to respect that opinion. Hamed couldn't balance himself well. Hamed is what u would call a lucky fighter because the guy simply couldn't box for ****. He defense sux His Jab sux His Chin Sux Stamina Alright Speed Alright Power Good ring Smart HE WAS STUPID atleast his ring entrance gets a 10/10 along with his trash talking

i always wondered who naz's fav fighter was,he was so ****in unorthodoxed.

I think it was Ali. Hence why you see him trying variations of the Ali shuffle a lot. He was also a big Bruce Lee fan.

Hard for me to respect that opinion. Hamed couldn't balance himself well. Hamed is what u would call a lucky fighter because the guy simply couldn't box for ****. He defense sux His Jab sux His Chin Sux Stamina Alright Speed Alright Power Good ring Smart HE WAS STUPID atleast his ring entrance gets a 10/10 along with his trash talking

Alright power?


Okay....

Alright power?


Okay....

U read that wrong
His power was good

A young 21 year old Naz Hamed was the greatest p4p fighter the world had ever seen.
Hamed SUCKED...............his name doesn't even belong in this thread, unless it's a joke.

Some favor the classics, others pick the more recent but it really is a question of who is or was the greatest fighter of all time. Some may argue that Sugar Ray Robinson dominated in his time, he made it big and dominated the 40's 50's and some of the 60's containing a record of 175-19 (fairly impressive i believe). Others may argue that Rocky Marciano should hold that place as history's greatest with an astonishing record of 49-0. There may even be others who come close to this sort of glory but only one sticks out in my mind, Muhammad Ali. Ali is the greatest thing that ever happened to boxing, he's strategic, ****y, inteligent, used a cool head and a fast heart and even if he felt like **** still faught with a smile on his face just to make the other contendor feel intimidated. Many may be disscouraged that im even stating this, that im expressing my views on this but i dont believe im wrong. Try and prove me wrong, who is better than Ali? aubviously nobody.
Only a complete moron would argue Marciano, the fact that you even have him in your post says something about you.

Robinson ranks #1 for me, Ali #4. Greb and Armstrong rank above Ali.

You could also make arguments for many others, I've seen some rank Ali outside the top 10 as far as P4P goes.

Hard for me to respect that opinion. Hamed couldn't balance himself well. Hamed is what u would call a lucky fighter because the guy simply couldn't box for ****. He defense sux His Jab sux His Chin Sux Stamina Alright Speed Alright Power Good ring Smart HE WAS STUPID atleast his ring entrance gets a 10/10 along with his trash talking
While saying Naz was the greatest ever is even more ridiculous than your post, your post was pretty ridiculous as well. Lucky? LOL, was Roy Jones lucky as well?

His chin sucks? Really, is that why he was never even close to out in his whole career? His balance is what sucked against higher competition because of his ridiculously unorthodox style, and it is also what caused so many KD's against him. His chin was far from sucky. His defense was very evasive, but technically was not that good, and it showed against higher comp. He had awesome power and explosiveness, and a lot of what he had was in his gusto and aura. He knew he would destroy the opponent, and his style was so difficult to figure out and his power so dangerous the opponent was sometimes forced to go into a shell.

His work ethic and ego was his downfall.

Hamed SUCKED...............his name doesn't even belong in this thread, unless it's a joke.

Im not in the mood to deal with idiots like you. Hamed sucked so bad that he was one of the most avoided people at FW. The only people I remember that wanted to fight him were Mayweather and maybe Marquez. Neither Morales or Barrera wanted it with Hamed. However they realised that he was the biggest pay day they'd get and Barrera decided that he wanted the dough before Erik.

Barrera going on to beat the **** out of Hamed is beside the point. They were both scared of him for a reason. He used to knock featherweights out like he was Mike Tyson.