I found these figures quite interesting, they're from the doc' "Fight Science".

Some of the best in their fighting style went in to perform moves in order to test martial art claims such as a single punch can knock you out, a nerve strike etc etc.

Here are the punch powers from the different styles:

Kung Fu - 612lb Force "some broken bones, but it'll leave you standing."
Karate Straight Punch - 816lb Force - "Staggering, but no knock out."
Taiquando - 917lb Force "and quite possibly a concussion."
Boxing - 993 "equal to a sledgehammer to the face."

Just thought i'd post them for anyone who'd like the comparison. Of course though, other martial arts use knees, elbows, legs etc. I think later on they show you a Muay Tai knee and that racked up roughly 1500lb.

Remember though, these are very experienced, very fit athletes in their sport. The object was not to see what a boxer can do etc, this part was putting them against each other to see what people of similar ability in their own sport can produce. So, just because somebody can box it doesn't mean their punch is equal to hitting someone in the face with a sledgehammer. But it's possible. And it was also interesting to see the different punching styles compared.

oh yeah I seen this. Thanks for posting punching power as I only saw lower body power.

Wasnt Muay Thai Knee used in a muay thai clench the most devastating? Not just because of the power but because of the compact area it was delivered (The chest cavity)

Interesting stuff.

I'd have to rewatch it to remember it's specific name, all I remember about it was he pulled the head down and kneed into the diaphragm. In a way it was a real eye opener to how dangerous fighting can be, one move can actually kill you. Whilst watching it I kind of thought to myself "should I be watching this?" because it's kind of a scary knowledge to start having. When you start learning how a person becomes concuss, and therefore how to create this situation and so on and you start to think, "shit, what if I get in a fight and just do this shit to someone?". Admittedly these people are highly trained, very fit fighters which the common man, and even athletic man, is not, but if they can kill with it, or create organ failiure etc then a normal male, using the same technique which may be abit more botch, can still serious hurt someone. Essentially learning all of the human's weak spots. Like my Dad said to me a while ago, something along the lines of when you're a trained boxer it's strange because you can beat them up, but because you're as dangerous as you are, you have to let them win by saying no I don't want to fight you. But this time, it's not because you might not win, it's because you WILL win to such a degree, that you have to "lose".

Yeh thats the knee I was talking about. had him in a muay thai clench (Hands/arms around the head/neck).

It real killer. It was because of the point of the knee and because he's being pulled toward the knee theres now rebound. Just bam and the pressure stays on until the guy lets him go. It was a devastating mutha.

haha, i remember this show.

not very scientific to measure punching power between people who are in completely different weight classes.

also, i didn't know of anybody on the show. if there would have been a high level martial artist i would've known.

take this guy as an example. why not test his power up with somebody his size and see who has more concussive force.

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I'd have to rewatch it to remember it's specific name, all I remember about it was he pulled the head down and kneed into the diaphragm. In a way it was a real eye opener to how dangerous fighting can be, one move can actually kill you. Whilst watching it I kind of thought to myself "should I be watching this?" because it's kind of a scary knowledge to start having. When you start learning how a person becomes concuss, and therefore how to create this situation and so on and you start to think, "shit, what if I get in a fight and just do this shit to someone?". Admittedly these people are highly trained, very fit fighters which the common man, and even athletic man, is not, but if they can kill with it, or create organ failiure etc then a normal male, using the same technique which may be abit more botch, can still serious hurt someone. Essentially learning all of the human's weak spots. Like my Dad said to me a while ago, something along the lines of when you're a trained boxer it's strange because you can beat them up, but because you're as dangerous as you are, you have to let them win by saying no I don't want to fight you. But this time, it's not because you might not win, it's because you WILL win to such a degree, that you have to "lose".
k...i gotta give u some shit here cause u so on point all the time...lol...u spelled taekwondo wrong...lol...

k...i gotta give u some shit here cause u so on point all the time...lol...u spelled taekwondo wrong...lol...

while you are on this, it sort of nerves me that people even pronounce it wrong.

tae/태 - as in the word "day" but with a T sound

kwon/권 - as in michelle kwon.

do/도 - as in female deer.

most people incorrectly pronounce it "taikwondo." in korean, it is 태권도.

sorry for the rant. but i study korean and had to add this.

but anyways, i just wished they represented chinese martial arts with a few different guys at the top of their distinct art. instead it seemed like they picked a modern wushu guy = think martial arts dancing. now you can understand how ****ed up the show is. i have actually been hit by the real fighters. not people you would want to start a fight with unless you have a gang of people plus weapons with you. even then, people will be hurt....

while you are on this, it sort of nerves me that people even pronounce it wrong.

tae/태 - as in the word "day" but with a T sound

kwon/권 - as in michelle kwon.

do/도 - as in female deer.

most people incorrectly pronounce it "taikwondo." in korean, it is 태권도.

sorry for the rant. but i study korean and had to add this.

but anyways, i just wished they represented chinese martial arts with a few different guys at the top of their distinct art. instead it seemed like they picked a modern wushu guy = think martial arts dancing. now you can understand how ****ed up the show is. i have actually been hit by the real fighters. not people you would want to start a fight with unless you have a gang of people plus weapons with you. even then, people will be hurt....
yeah i know a guy who is half japanese, and half malay/chinese who does wushu, and he said that its pretty useless as self defence because many of the techniques are very hard to execute, and they spend no time sparring, its all just pattern work. i also know a guy who does taekwondo, he is good at taekwondo he fights a a state level, but would be useless in a real fight. and i know another guy who does karate, he is brown belt, with 2 stripes(cant remeber the actual name). and he did some boxing, and said that just by punching the boxing way (from the shoulder) instead of from the hip like in karate, you get a shitload more power.

yeah i know a guy who is half japanese, and half malay/chinese who does wushu, and he said that its pretty useless as self defence because many of the techniques are very hard to execute, and they spend no time sparring, its all just pattern work. i also know a guy who does taekwondo, he is good at taekwondo he fights a a state level, but would be useless in a real fight. and i know another guy who does karate, he is brown belt, with 2 stripes(cant remeber the actual name). and he did some boxing, and said that just by punching the boxing way (from the shoulder) instead of from the hip like in karate, you get a shitload more power.

wushu guys are notoriously known to not be able to fight. it wasn't always like this. wushu, back in the days, was like a different concept altogether.

what i do is not considered wushu. we have one basic form. we have tweleve extensions of the basic 5 and a linking form. that basic form consisting of 5 movements is all you need to be able to handle most people. we don't have pretty dancing forms. and we tend to crave power. so, i am the farthest thing from a modern wushu guy.

taekwondo fighters - some can fight, some can't. it depends on how alive their training is. my younger brother beat up a tkd blackbelt of the same age. and my bro never learned any art other than a couple tips he learned from me. how did this happen? because in many taekwondo "fighting" tournaments do pointsparring. you know, tip tap tip tap. i would get yelled at if i fought like that!

with karate, i can speak just a bit about. when i was a young kid, i had advanced to the third belt in the system. i quit as i could tell even then that the teacher, who was a police officer, couldn't generate power in an efficient way. at least we had contact sparring i suppose. that makes a huge impact on a kid - the contact sparring. you get an early edge in fighting compared to others who know nothing at all about fighting. not all karate guys suck at generating power. the good, advanced guys can drop a person with what looks like a fairly light touch. this is because the advanced guys get more into the internal basics - which us chinese boxers start from.

but punching from the shoulder, that is a huge NO-NO. any boxing coach, martial arts coach, etc worth even half his weight in pennies will tell you that a guy punching from his legs and waist will hit harder than a guy punching from his shoulder. we call those guys arm punchers, or in chinese arts, flower fisted pussies. so don't punch from the shoulder!

the guy's karate method of punching may not have been effective because it was too stiff. not all karate guys will be so stiff and rigid. mas oyama would be one to look at as far as karate. he created kyokushin i believe. and he got many of his power generating methods from the "softer" chinese arts. it is known that the only guy he admitted that he couldn't beat was a taichi guy who thoroughly outclassed him - and mas wrestled bulls for ****'s sake. so, if i remember correctly, mas included what he learned from our internal martial arts guys and created a very highly developed style of karate - kyokushin karate i believe was the outcome. might want to check my spelling on the name of his karate.

mas oyama:

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btw, not only was the chines "martial artist" a wushu guy, he was like 80 lighter than the boxer. i think he was the smallest guy there. he had horrible punching techique! no leverage, coordination, etc.

i wished that they would've gotten some top guys with fighting experience, or ones who at least spar and work on power aspect of the arts.

not surprising to me that this american made show had the american boxer at the top.

and a better suggestion of studying power punching would be finding out who can generate the most power pound for pound.

this show is not even remotely scientific. there were no control factors.

seemed like randomly picked people. and no mention of concussive force vs pushing punch force.

Don't act like u know anything about boxing J, u are full of bs.
U should always punch from your legs, waist AND your SHOULDERS

There's a very simple reason for this. They chose those amongst the best in their martial art, many martial arts don't require size, they require agility, speed and technique. Take for example Ninjitsu, here they have to be lean and easy on their feet, being 240lbs would make this hard. Likewise, it's hard to be amongst the best boxers (in general terms, not weight divisions) if you're only 140lbs. They measured them on ability, not size.

[quote]that a guy punching from his legs and waist will hit harder than a guy punching from his shoulder.

Well yeah and no. A punch should start on the ground, the energy starts in your legs, you move your hips the energy is then coiled up, up through your back and shoulder and finished off with your arm. Your back and shoulders have massive muscles, it would be stupid to not utilise them. Likewise, it would be stupid to try and punch without using atleast your hips. So a guy punching from his legs, waiste and shoulders will hit the hardest.

if you train to hit hard, you will hit hard. your mindset means alot.
even untrained people can hit hard. what boxing and other martial arts teach is how to recover faster.

a guy who throws nothing but massive swings at me would not scare me (unless he was a prime george foreman) but someone throwing short concise blows withou leaving themselves open is a far more difficult proposition.

[quotenot very scientific to measure punching power between people who are in completely different weight classes.


There's a very simple reason for this. They chose those amongst the best in their martial art, many martial arts don't require size, they require agility, speed and technique. Take for example Ninjitsu, here they have to be lean and easy on their feet, being 240lbs would make this hard. Likewise, it's hard to be amongst the best boxers (in general terms, not weight divisions) if you're only 140lbs. They measured them on ability, not size.



Well yeah and no. A punch should start on the ground, the energy starts in your legs, you move your hips the energy is then coiled up, up through your back and shoulder and finished off with your arm. Your back and shoulders have massive muscles, it would be stupid to not utilise them. Likewise, it would be stupid to try and punch without using atleast your hips. So a guy punching from his legs, waiste and shoulders will hit the hardest.

I think that's bs. There's no reason in the world they couldn't take a 140lbs boxer. If anything the lighter guys have better technique than the lumbering heavyweights, and comparing to martial arts would be more fair.

Generally, no specific names nor time period, best heavyweight vs. best middleweight, who'd win? I would say the best heavyweight. A lightweight, welter, middle, whatever, may be able to beat a bad, reasonable or eveng good heavyweight but I wont accept that they would be able to beat the best heavyweight.

Generally, no specific names nor time period, best heavyweight vs. best middleweight, who'd win? I would say the best heavyweight. A lightweight, welter, middle, whatever, may be able to beat a bad, reasonable or eveng good heavyweight but I wont accept that they would be able to beat the best heavyweight.

That is not because of skill though, just size. The arguments you made on why martial artists had to be small, was because of their skill level, therefore, for your argument to be consistent, a boxer would have to be a certainsize to attain the optimal skill level. This is not the case. A 140 lb boxer can be at a just as high (I'd even claim it's a general occurrence) skill level as a heavyweight. Therefore there would be no problem with using the best 140 lb fighter, if you wanted to compare the power of a boxers punch to a 140 lb martial artist. In fact, it would be the only sensible way to do it. Unless you want to rig it in the boxer's favor before you even make a comparison?

Don't act like u know anything about boxing J, u are full of bs.
U should always punch from your legs, waist AND your SHOULDERS

what the hell man?

when did i say you should not use your shoulders?

aww shit, why am i wasting my time.....

see guys, i told some of you here that there are some ****ed up people on boxingscene that talk shit about people they know nothing about. my history/experience is on here. yours?

i am full of bs = B-oxingS-cene mother****er!!!!

[quotenot very scientific to measure punching power between people who are in completely different weight classes.


There's a very simple reason for this. They chose those amongst the best in their martial art, many martial arts don't require size, they require agility, speed and technique. Take for example Ninjitsu, here they have to be lean and easy on their feet, being 240lbs would make this hard. Likewise, it's hard to be amongst the best boxers (in general terms, not weight divisions) if you're only 140lbs. They measured them on ability, not size.



Well yeah and no. A punch should start on the ground, the energy starts in your legs, you move your hips the energy is then coiled up, up through your back and shoulder and finished off with your arm. Your back and shoulders have massive muscles, it would be stupid to not utilise them. Likewise, it would be stupid to try and punch without using atleast your hips. So a guy punching from his legs, waiste and shoulders will hit the hardest.[/QUOTE]
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they chose a wushu guy. he is perhaps one of the best dancers. but does he train modern wushu or martial arts. don't take my word for it. look it up yourself - i mean the difference. one focuses on forms, the other focuses on function/usage.

your theory of where a punch gets its power from is one of many many different ways. the way i coordinate a punch is a bit different than yours.

what the hell man?

when did i say you should not use your shoulders?

aww shit, why am i wasting my time.....

see guys, i told some of you here that there are some ****ed up people on boxingscene that talk shit about people they know nothing about. my history/experience is on here. yours?

i am full of bs = B-oxingS-cene mother****er!!!!

lol you push off your back legs and twsit your hips but dont more your shoulders the power comes from mystical energy shootig from your hip to your fist.

Do YOU KNOW NOTHING?!!!

lol you push off your back legs and twsit your hips but dont more your shoulders the power comes from mystical energy shootig from your hip to your fist.

Do YOU KNOW NOTHING?!!!

lol sorry teach.

i know nothing!!! :nonono: