I've sparred a former World Champion this morning(not the first time) and he always comes foward and fights deep in the pocket and throws combos and keeps the pressure on. Now usually I'm the pressurer but he's a pro and has more tricks then me.

Now my trainer told me to push him back also. I started throwing the jab that bothered him but then he adapted to it and did other shit. Being the one backing up ain't no joke, makes you really tired.

Now as for me? I'm a mid-range fighter so thats what I do and a counter puncher. Sorta hard to counter when the guy is in kissing range haha. I'd be happy for some replies on what some of you guys would do.

side step and counter as he comes in is always good im sure you know that, theres also a few really good pivot combos you can throw from the inside to, like pivot right + 2, right uppercut as you pivot to the right and then a 3 2, theres lots of them and theyre super effective for the inside fighters

Who was this world Champion you were sparring?

side step and counter as he comes in is always good im sure you know that, theres also a few really good pivot combos you can throw from the inside to, like pivot right + 2, right uppercut as you pivot to the right and then a 3 2, theres lots of them and theyre super effective for the inside fighters

Thats great advice, thanks. I appreciate it.

Usually you would jab but because of your style there wouldn't be much I could say to do. Apart from more combos from the outside and try to control the centre of the ring.

Or when he gets inside hold him and then repeat until he gets frustrated of not being able to fight inside you can them just chase him around the ring.

Also, sit back on a lead right hand instead of a jab.

Who was this world Champion you were sparring?

Carlos Hernandez. The dude that gave Mayweather his first knockdown.

Usually you would jab but because of your style there wouldn't be much I could say to do. Apart from more combos from the outside and try to control the centre of the ring.

Or when he gets inside hold him and then repeat until he gets frustrated of not being able to fight inside you can them just chase him around the ring.

I do hold him and try to throw out my combos. He tends to respect my power when I'm throwing the combos but that ****er always has me on the ropes.haha.

I can't chase him around the ring cause he comes straight foward to me.

I've sparred a former World Champion this morning(not the first time) and he always comes foward and fights deep in the pocket and throws combos and keeps the pressure on. Now usually I'm the pressurer but he's a pro and has more tricks then me.

Now my trainer told me to push him back also. I started throwing the jab that bothered him but then he adapted to it and did other shit. Being the one backing up ain't no joke, makes you really tired.

Now as for me? I'm a mid-range fighter so thats what I do and a counter puncher. Sorta hard to counter when the guy is in kissing range haha. I'd be happy for some replies on what some of you guys would do.

You need to work on your pivots. That is what they are for.

he fights on a line, right?

then fight on a circle.

that doesn't mean dancing away from him either. he may be good at cutting off the ring. you can also try an angular approach.

it is hard to suggest more without knowing exactly how he fights - habits, techniques, etc.

You need to work on your pivots. That is what they are for.

Thats one art I have forgot and left behind. I'm going to rediscover it now.

he fights on a line, right?

then fight on a circle.

that doesn't mean dancing away from him either. he may be good at cutting off the ring. you can also try an angular approach.

it is hard to suggest more without knowing exactly how he fights - habits, techniques, etc.

Hmmmm, picture Margarito with more shorter compact punches.

gotcha.

good that you mentioned the compactnes of his punching technique because one thing i would say would be to take adavantage of looping punches.

one strategy i have used before - go straight at him, before he gets to you. if you find yourself on the inside, straighter punches aimed at his center of mass will be more efficient than him trying to loop punches at your face or body. uppercuts and what are called shovel hooks will work. make sure you are compact. that way you have a leverage advantage and can be more explosive. now, getting more into this....


as metioned about the pivot - it is essential. i'm not sure how scientific western boxers take it, but in eastern boxing it is a science by itself. remember that the legs(moved from the waist and inguinial fold) are what moves you. they are what get you into position in the first place. in my training, we focus on standing before anything. then moving. we do this so that when you get thrown into sparring, you are prepared with good solid basics.

btw, how is your ward off defence? that can be roughly translated as how you can keep him from getting too close by using your hand, forearm, and shoulder mostly. it is good to combine your punches with defense. offence and defense as one movement are really hard to defend against unless you are a ****ing psychic.

verse - watch him when he spars someone else. watch his footwork and his intention. ask yourself - how does he cut off the ring? does he do it with movement or does he use his arms or body more to push you where he wants you? how does he smother - head down diving in at you or walking you down from a higher stance? since you know what style he prefers, and what he is comfortable fighting with, what would ake him uncomfortable?

believe me, i have quite a bit of experience with inside fighting. my style is a short to medium range style mostly. and i am considered trained enough to teach the basics of the system - although i still like to think of myself as a beginner. it helps to keep a proper mental state to where you are open to new ideas, etc.

hit me back with a reply. i like this dicussion.

btw, did you ever try timing just one of his power punches and immediately overwhelming him with that opening. every punch leaves an opening somewhere.

When you on the ropes, throw a hook but go behind his head and spin him round with it so then he in now on the ropes. However make sure that you keep your fist horizontal so that you can't get penalised for it.

Otherwise use your tyson like weeving, throw a straight at his right glove. Now weave under and around. Attacking his glove in this case delays his body movement as it acts as a recoil, and he then naturally throws that one once he has recovered. So at the end of this you will be about 90 degrees to him with nothing protecting that side of his face where you can let your power shine.

jab-jab and jab some more!

naa seriously, hit him then pivot. be ready to hurt him with an uppercut if he comes in low.

gotcha.

good that you mentioned the compactnes of his punching technique because one thing i would say would be to take adavantage of looping punches.

one strategy i have used before - go straight at him, before he gets to you. if you find yourself on the inside, straighter punches aimed at his center of mass will be more efficient than him trying to loop punches at your face or body. uppercuts and what are called shovel hooks will work. make sure you are compact. that way you have a leverage advantage and can be more explosive. now, getting more into this....


as metioned about the pivot - it is essential. i'm not sure how scientific western boxers take it, but in eastern boxing it is a science by itself. remember that the legs(moved from the waist and inguinial fold) are what moves you. they are what get you into position in the first place. in my training, we focus on standing before anything. then moving. we do this so that when you get thrown into sparring, you are prepared with good solid basics.

btw, how is your ward off defence? that can be roughly translated as how you can keep him from getting too close by using your hand, forearm, and shoulder mostly. it is good to combine your punches with defense. offence and defense as one movement are really hard to defend against unless you are a ****ing psychic.

verse - watch him when he spars someone else. watch his footwork and his intention. ask yourself - how does he cut off the ring? does he do it with movement or does he use his arms or body more to push you where he wants you? how does he smother - head down diving in at you or walking you down from a higher stance? since you know what style he prefers, and what he is comfortable fighting with, what would ake him uncomfortable?

believe me, i have quite a bit of experience with inside fighting. my style is a short to medium range style mostly. and i am considered trained enough to teach the basics of the system - although i still like to think of myself as a beginner. it helps to keep a proper mental state to where you are open to new ideas, etc.

hit me back with a reply. i like this dicussion.

Yeah the pivoting I'm going to start doing. He's just a quick in your face fighter, no jab or nothing just straight in. I try to do uppercuts which back him up at times but we tend to wrap up and such. I rarely see him spar cause he comes in the day time and only spars me and this other pro.

My defense is bob and weave and counter.

btw, did you ever try timing just one of his power punches and immediately overwhelming him with that opening. every punch leaves an opening somewhere.

Its hard to time him when he's that close to me. I'm a duck type of fighter so my vision is minimized from the head gear to see all I can.

When you on the ropes, throw a hook but go behind his head and spin him round with it so then he in now on the ropes. However make sure that you keep your fist horizontal so that you can't get penalised for it.

Otherwise use your tyson like weeving, throw a straight at his right glove. Now weave under and around. Attacking his glove in this case delays his body movement as it acts as a recoil, and he then naturally throws that one once he has recovered. So at the end of this you will be about 90 degrees to him with nothing protecting that side of his face where you can let your power shine.

I can see what you mean, so like pivot to the side where he's unbalanced and vulnerable.

This is a great discussion, and I would also like to know any drills that would benefit footwork--specifically pivoting and gaining advantageous positioning. I am a tall fighter with good speed and reach, so a lot of my opponents try and pressure me like an insatiable intergalactic fish.

I do hold him and try to throw out my combos. He tends to respect my power when I'm throwing the combos but that ****er always has me on the ropes.haha.

I can't chase him around the ring cause he comes straight foward to me.

Do what Tarver did in the woods fight. Whenever he was near the ropes he held and moved away to the middle again.

The kinda fights that come from two inside pressure fighters are ones like gatti ward and corrales castillo. The only way you can win is via ko. It is rare you see someone outboxing someone stronger and better then them.

How come you were sparring him anyway?

Constant jabs... make sure you throw feints in there... maybe even use a lil cuban style bounce everyone once in a while for a few seconds to throw off his timing as much as possible..

And then of course like everyone else said then you counter... I'm sure your power can make him respect your jab.. then everything i aid will be able to work.

and don't be afraid to clinch a few times either. ya gotta frustrate him.

Do what Tarver did in the woods fight. Whenever he was near the ropes he held and moved away to the middle again.

The kinda fights that come from two inside pressure fighters are ones like gatti ward and corrales castillo. The only way you can win is via ko. It is rare you see someone outboxing someone stronger and better then them.

How come you were sparring him anyway?

I have a pro style and I was told by alot of ppl that I'm good. So I spar all the pros usually.

Constant jabs... make sure you throw feints in there... maybe even use a lil cuban style bounce everyone once in a while for a few seconds to throw off his timing as much as possible..

And then of course like everyone else said then you counter... I'm sure your power can make him respect your jab.. then everything i aid will be able to work.

and don't be afraid to clinch a few times either. ya gotta frustrate him.

I tried the jab and it frustrated him a few times then he adapted.:tapedshut

I have a pro style and I was told by alot of ppl that I'm good. So I spar all the pros usually.

Which other pros have ya sparred?

box on the back foot. Keep moving back and pick him off. Be on your toes.

Failing that, when he does get in, clinch and hit. Then repeat.

Which other pros have ya sparred?

A few named ones are Golden Johnson, Jesse James Leija and Demtry Salita(forgot how to spell it)

box on the back foot. Keep moving back and pick him off. Be on your toes.

Failing that, when he does get in, clinch and hit. Then repeat.

Thats hard to turn around at times because of style memory. I try to change up, which I do but without weeks or months of training its hard to keep that up when you're actually having someone hit you in the face.:lol1:

sup verse. did you get to watching his patterns yet? of course, if he is more or less a vet at punching people, he is going to be tougher to keep up with. did you manage to find out what makes him uncomfortable?

if he is at your gym, practicing with you guys, maybe you could ask him what you could do to help deal with his style of fighting. older, more experienced guys are usually open to helping the juniors. i for one always help out the juniors. i hope the same respect is shown in boxing gyms for the most part. sparring is not supposed to be a competiton - although it feels like it sometimes. it is supposed to be where you polish your skills by testing out theories.

verse, for an interesting take on bagua footwork, i will PM you a vid.


versatile - check your PM box in a minute.

Carlos Hernandez. The dude that gave Mayweather his first knockdown.

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lol.. I've sparred levann Easly.. a few times... but he's on a 6 fight losing streak at the moment :/.. so might not hold much weight.. LOol he whoops on kids in the gym though. he has about 38 fights.. he's 36 years old.

sup verse. did you get to watching his patterns yet? of course, if he is more or less a vet at punching people, he is going to be tougher to keep up with. did you manage to find out what makes him uncomfortable?

if he is at your gym, practicing with you guys, maybe you could ask him what you could do to help deal with his style of fighting. older, more experienced guys are usually open to helping the juniors. i for one always help out the juniors. i hope the same respect is shown in boxing gyms for the most part. sparring is not supposed to be a competiton - although it feels like it sometimes. it is supposed to be where you polish your skills by testing out theories.

verse, for an interesting take on bagua footwork, i will PM you a vid.


versatile - check your PM box in a minute.

j: If it's not too much trouble, I too would be interested in this footwork exercise as well. I think it would benefit my style tremendously.

thats weird man ive seen your sparring videos and your the aggressor all time time so when i saw you posted this thread i was like wtf haha but id say try alot of uppercuts and angle shots would work real good..do you train with open face headgear or headgear with the cheeks? and thats crazy how you spar all of those pros much respect to you bruh

j: If it's not too much trouble, I too would be interested in this footwork exercise as well. I think it would benefit my style tremendously.

you box too? or MA like me? not sure if you mentioned it before?

alright stay tuned. i'll throw you 3 links to vids, and maybe a page of info if i find something in the next 5 or ten minutes.

i should probably throw verse a page of info as well. let me know verse, if you need anything.

i really respect fellow fighters/boxers/martial artists. we are kinda like a big expanded family really. we all look out for one another. although, sometimes petty shit comes up between two guys who have different views on things. but the guys who try to claim knowledge and skills in chinese arts and can't back it up, or make it nothing more than a dance, really piss me off. it has become harder and harder to find legit teachers. ****ing mcdonalds type teachers popping up trying to capitolize! all the good guys i have met don't worry about money as much it seems. they do what they do for the love of the art. fakers, ****ing hate em. they stale the name of chinese martial arts.

sorry for the rant.

bendigo- check PM in a few minutes.

you box too? or MA like me? not sure if you mentioned it before?

alright stay tuned. i'll throw you 3 links to vids, and maybe a page of info if i find something in the next 5 or ten minutes.

i should probably throw verse a page of info as well. let me know verse, if you need anything.

i really respect fellow fighters/boxers/martial artists. we are kinda like a big expanded family really. we all look out for one another. although, sometimes petty shit comes up between two guys who have different views on things. but the guys who try to claim knowledge and skills in chinese arts and can't back it up, or make it nothing more than a dance, really piss me off. it has become harder and harder to find legit teachers. ****ing mcdonalds type teachers popping up trying to capitolize! all the good guys i have met don't worry about money as much it seems. they do what they do for the love of the art. fakers, ****ing hate em. they stale the name of chinese martial arts.

sorry for the rant.

bendigo- check PM in a few minutes.

I box now, but I used to be involved with several traditional Japanese martial arts. And I really understand where you're coming from regarding the over-commercialization of martial arts. I've seen a lot of profit-driven schools who were quick to dole out black belts to students who had been practicing for little over a year. :(
Thanks for the videos, j. You're the man. :boxing: