This movie is being shown at some local theatres here in Minnesota... It is a documentory that from what i've heard totally contradicts Farenheit 911!!! It has some interviews with some of the same people that were in the movie and say that Moore totally twisted what they said around to make it look as though they were totally anti Bush and current America!!! Michael Moore is such a peice of ****, and he is totally full of **** too!!!

Yeah, he's the Bill O'Rielly of the Left. Anyone who believes anything that comes out of either of their mouths needs a short bus enema.

Of course, Bush has used that tactic on Kerry the entire campaign. Take something out of context and twist it to suit his own needs. I guess Bush is a full of **** piece of ****, too.

The problem with Michael Moore is that his research methods are shabby. If he were writing a serious political book using these methods he'd be laughed out of every publishing house. You can't base half your work on one secondary source ("House of Bush, House of Saud" in the case of F911, "Culture of Fear" in BFC). Look at a bibliography of a real non-fiction work and you'll find hundreds of sources.

And I'm even on Moore's side! I just get upset that he becomes the left's spokesperson, because he is so flawed that it's easy to discredit him.

The problem with Michael Moore is that his research methods are shabby. If he were writing a serious political book using these methods he'd be laughed out of every publishing house. You can't base half your work on one secondary source ("House of Bush, House of Saud" in the case of F911, "Culture of Fear" in BFC). Look at a bibliography of a real non-fiction work and you'll find hundreds of sources.

And I'm even on Moore's side! I just get upset that he becomes the left's spokesperson, because he is so flawed that it's easy to discredit him.

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Right... :confused: We're not the ones pissing off the rest of the world and getting attacked because of it, my friend.

Terrorist deaths in Canada: 0
Canadian war casualties in Iraq: 0

We're doin' just fine, thank you very much.

Bill O'Reilly is no where near as far to the right as Michael Moore is to the left.

All you geeks should just shut up & vote.


Seriously, nobody's gonna listen to the other side.


Politics have become sports for nerds. Insecure people who live to be right, & prove others who have differing opinions on a FEW
subjects wrong.


So much wasted energy...so much paranoia.

All you geeks should just shut up & vote.


Seriously, nobody's gonna listen to the other side.


Politics have become sports for nerds. Insecure people who live to be right, & prove others who have differing opinions on a FEW
subjects wrong.


So much wasted energy...so much paranoia.

Excellent post...just excellent (something I need to be reminded of, as well).

On a side note, sports has also become sports for nerds in many instances. Witness all the statistic junkies who know nothing about the real sports.

Bill O'Reilly is no where near as far to the right as Michael Moore is to the left.That's the funniest thing I have ever read on these boards. Bill O'Reilly is about 4 goosesteps to the right of Hitler. I don't know if Hitler liked falafel, though.

That's the funniest thing I have ever read on these boards. Bill O'Reilly is about 4 goosesteps to the right of Hitler. I don't know if Hitler liked falafel, though.

Maybe you should actually watch his show rather than take quotes you read of left wing wack sites as fact. I know you dont watch his show because if you did you wouldnt say that. O'Reilly is no where near as biased as Michael Moore. O'Reilly IMO trys to tell the truth about things but sometimes gets things wrong and he at least will admit where hes wrong. Moore on the other hand deliberately decieves people and will never admit a mistake.

Maybe you should actually watch his show rather than take quotes you read of left wing wack sites as fact. I know you dont watch his show because if you did you wouldnt say that. O'Reilly is no where near as biased as Michael Moore. O'Reilly IMO trys to tell the truth about things but sometimes gets things wrong and he at least will admit where hes wrong. Moore on the other hand deliberately decieves people and will never admit a mistake.
Funny. Every time I've seen his show and someone tries to refute his propoganda with factual evidence or differeing opinion, he throws a temper tantrum.

I do watch his show. The Art of War tells you to know your enemy.

Look for all of O'Reilly's moral posturing and what he was caught doing....the man has lost credibility.

As for this movie, The Daily Show did a piece about the filmaker of "Michael Moore Hates America" not suprisingly, he is a moron.

I stopped watching O'Reilly's show after he called a public defender assigned to a child murderer morally lacking, ignoring the fact that EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial under the 6th amendment. I thought he was full of **** before. Seeing him do that to a this guy made me HATE him.

Maybe you should actually watch his show rather than take quotes you read of left wing wack sites as fact. I know you dont watch his show because if you did you wouldnt say that. O'Reilly is no where near as biased as Michael Moore. O'Reilly IMO trys to tell the truth about things but sometimes gets things wrong and he at least will admit where hes wrong. Moore on the other hand deliberately decieves people and will never admit a mistake.

Its sad to see that we agree here. O'Reilly is a moderate conservative. Moore is about as far to the left as you can go.

O'Reilly a moderate???? Only if your center is 40 degrees to the right.

Want Moderate Republicans?

Think Arnold Schwarzeneger, Rudy Giuliani and John McCain.

O'Reilly is not in this category.

O'Reilly a moderate???? Only if your center is 40 degrees to the right.

Yes he holds many similar beliefs as those people have.

Funny. Every time I've seen his show and someone tries to refute his propoganda with factual evidence or differeing opinion, he throws a temper tantrum.

I do watch his show. The Art of War tells you to know your enemy.

You read Sun Tzu?

I know that is true....but watching the enemy makes me very violent.

Yes he holds many similar beliefs as those people have.

Like what. What are moderate Republicans' beliefs?

Like what. What are moderate Republicans' beliefs?

He's for stronger environmental protections, pro decriminalizing marijuana, pro gay adoption, pro civil unions, to name a few.

When has he said that? THat suprises me actually.....

Yeah, he's the Bill O'Rielly of the Left. Anyone who believes anything that comes out of either of their mouths needs a short bus enema.

Of course, Bush has used that tactic on Kerry the entire campaign. Take something out of context and twist it to suit his own needs. I guess Bush is a full of **** piece of ****, too.



....Nice way to tak about the President of the United States. Short bus enema? You must fill us in on exactly what goes on in Hawaii.

pbds

Were you as sensitive when George Bush's campaign called John McCain a traitor?

That's the funniest thing I have ever read on these boards. Bill O'Reilly is about 4 goosesteps to the right of Hitler. I don't know if Hitler liked falafel, though.




...comparing O'Riley to Hitler? lol lol lol VB you have gone right out of your ****ing mind in the last few days. The tension of the election must be getting to you.

When has he said that? THat suprises me actually.....

On his show and in his books.

Funny. Every time I've seen his show and someone tries to refute his propoganda with factual evidence or differeing opinion, he throws a temper tantrum.

I do watch his show. The Art of War tells you to know your enemy.


.....lol lol lol Art of War? Now O'Reilly is your enemy? I wasn't aware you were working for a competing network to the highest rated news show of it's kind.

pbds

Were you as sensitive when George Bush's campaign called John McCain a traitor?


....All I can tell you is that I would never type that a sitting President is a piece of ****. I disliked Clinton, but show some respect for the highest office in the frickin world for christ sake.

.....lol lol lol Art of War? Now O'Reilly is your enemy? I wasn't aware you were working for a competing network to the highest rated news show of it's kind.
O'Reilly is an enemy to any person capable of higher thought, any person who doesn't need their opinions sppon-fed to them. Did you see the way he treated the son of the 9/11 victim? Telling him to shut up when he was stating the FACT that Sadam and the Taliban were initially armed by Bush Sr and Donald Rumsfeld? Yeah. There's a moderate.

Bill O'Reilly is about as centrist as Chairman Mao.

O'Reilly is an enemy to any person capable of higher thought, any person who doesn't need their opinions sppon-fed to them. Did you see the way he treated the son of the 9/11 victim? Telling him to shut up when he was stating the FACT that Sadam and the Taliban were initially armed by Bush Sr and Donald Rumsfeld? Yeah. There's a moderate.

Bill O'Reilly is about as centrist as Chairman Mao.

He doesn't allow spin, the U.S. supplied Iraq with less than 5% of its weapons.

....All I can tell you is that I would never type that a sitting President is a piece of ****. I disliked Clinton, but show some respect for the highest office in the frickin world for christ sake.
You can respect the office without respecting the piece of **** sitting in the office chair.

respect as a MAN is something that you earn, not something that is granted automatically. The idiot currently occupying the oval office has done nothing to earn my respect. And I helped vote him in. Jesus I feel like a fool.

Yeah I remember that.

It is funny how Fox News has been forced to make themselves more moderate because of how much flak they have taken for being so blatantly biased.

He doesn't allow spin, the U.S. supplied Iraq with less than 5% of its weapons.
hahahahahah. he doesn't allow spin! that's even funnier than him forcing phone sex and falafel while calling himself a moral man...

I knew that the educational system in this country was going downhill, but that people actually believe that ANYTHING on Faux News Channel is Fair and Balanced tells me that Bush should have fully fundede the No Child Left Behind Act. Of course if he did, then we might have a generation that could think for itself and where would the neo-nazi... erm neo-cons... get elected?

hahahahahah. he doesn't allow spin! that's even funnier than him forcing phone sex and falafel while calling himself a moral man...

I knew that the educational system in this country was going downhill, but that people actually believe that ANYTHING on Faux News Channel is Fair and Balanced tells me that Bush should have fully fundede the No Child Left Behind Act. Of course if he did, then we might have a generation that could think for itself and where would the neo-nazi... erm neo-cons... get elected?

Way to not address the spin. No news is fair and balanced, so get over your CNN and BBC being fair and balanced.

O'Reilly is an enemy to any person capable of higher thought, any person who doesn't need their opinions sppon-fed to them.


...Your such a deep thinker confucious!! Yes I agree, your on a higher mental plain than all of O'reilly's regular viewers. ?????

Funny. Every time I've seen his show and someone tries to refute his propoganda with factual evidence or differeing opinion, he throws a temper tantrum.

I do watch his show. The Art of War tells you to know your enemy.

I dont beleive you watch the show. He doesnt go off on everyone and he makes sense a lot of the time IMO. You read to many wacko web sites that get off on bashing Fox News, that why you typically used that example of Oreilly yelling at the 9/11 victim as your evidence of him being an ******* like Al Franken and all the other delusional jokers do. Watch his show, then comment on him. and I dont mean once when your so jacked up on scotch that you cant see straight.

I do agree that thei sexual harassment suit makes him look bad especially since he was talking shot about Clinton and Monica.

hahahahahah. he doesn't allow spin! that's even funnier than him forcing phone sex and falafel while calling himself a moral man...

I knew that the educational system in this country was going downhill, but that people actually believe that ANYTHING on Faux News Channel is Fair and Balanced tells me that Bush should have fully fundede the No Child Left Behind Act. Of course if he did, then we might have a generation that could think for itself and where would the neo-nazi... erm neo-cons... get elected?

I got a question for you vB. What happened to education spending since bush took office?

You can respect the office without respecting the piece of **** sitting in the office chair.

respect as a MAN is something that you earn, not something that is granted automatically. The idiot currently occupying the oval office has done nothing to earn my respect. And I helped vote him in. Jesus I feel like a fool.



.....I hate the internet tough guy routine and I can't stand any guy who threatens another guy via the internet. With that being said, if someone made that statement "The president is a piece of ****" to my face in a social setting or anywhere for that matter, I would be throwing blows. Just because you have your opinion about this President, he is still your commander in chief. I was actually starting to respect your opinion until you stooped to this crap. P.S. that idiot has an IQ in the high 120's. But I'm sure your much smarter with your engineering degree and all.

I dont beleive you watch the show. He doesnt go off on everyone and he makes sense a lot of the time IMO. You read to many wacko web sites that get off on bashing Fox News, that why you typically used that example of Oreilly yelling at the 9/11 victim as your evidence of him being an ******* like Al Franken and all the other delusional jokers do. Watch his show, then comment on him. and I dont mean once when your so jacked up on scotch that you cant see straight.


.....lol lol lol That was pretty good. Karma coming your way.

Yeah, he's the Bill O'Rielly of the Left. Anyone who believes anything that comes out of either of their mouths needs a short bus enema.

Of course, Bush has used that tactic on Kerry the entire campaign. Take something out of context and twist it to suit his own needs. I guess Bush is a full of **** piece of ****, too.

you are unbelievably gay

when i clicked on this link i was thinking that VB martin was going to put in his 2 cents and somehow spin it back to bush

and i was right!

Look for all of O'Reilly's moral posturing and what he was caught doing....the man has lost credibility.

As for this movie, The Daily Show did a piece about the filmaker of "Michael Moore Hates America" not suprisingly, he is a moron.

not suprisingly the daily show makes everyone they interview look like morons

not surprisingly the daily show is left wing propaganda

not surprisingly it is sad when someone quotes the daily show as a credible source

.....I hate the internet tough guy routine and I can't stand any guy who threatens another guy via the internet. With that being said, if someone made that statement "The president is a piece of ****" to my face in a social setting or anywhere for that matter, I would be throwing blows. Just because you have your opinion about this President, he is still your commander in chief. I was actually starting to respect your opinion until you stooped to this crap. P.S. that idiot has an IQ in the high 120's. But I'm sure your much smarter with your engineering degree and all.
Yes, I'm much smarter, and I can move my lips and speak English without Dick Cheney's hand up my ass.

As for the "internet tough guy routine", that's kinda hilarious. He's not my Commander in Chief. That's a military title, and I'm not in the military. He is my president, though, since I was stupid enough to vote for him the first time around. Still doesn't mean I have to respect the man, just the office.

I dont beleive you watch the show. He doesnt go off on everyone and he makes sense a lot of the time IMO. You read to many wacko web sites that get off on bashing Fox News, that why you typically used that example of Oreilly yelling at the 9/11 victim as your evidence of him being an ******* like Al Franken and all the other delusional jokers do. Watch his show, then comment on him. and I dont mean once when your so jacked up on scotch that you cant see straight.


.....lol lol lol That was pretty good. Karma coming your way.
The only time he doesn't go off on people is when he's interviewing fellow conservatives who mimic his viewpoint.

Are you sure *you* watch the show?

not suprisingly the daily show makes everyone they interview look like morons

not surprisingly the daily show is left wing propaganda

not surprisingly it is sad when someone quotes the daily show as a credible source
The Daily Show is more credible than Fox, CNN, CBS, ABC and all the other RIGHT WING owned media institutions that serve to rally the American public around the troops and the war instead of reporting facts and truth

The Daily Show is a ****ING COMEDY SHOW. It's intentions are clear and up front to their audience. They don't practice deception. They're NOT journalists. They're ****ing comedians.

The "fair and balanced" media reporting of Bush, the American government and the war is deceitful because they're intentions are disguised, not genuine and not based on truth.

How do you guys feel about Dennis Miller? I love his show.

How do you guys feel about Dennis Miller? I love his show.
I don't watch Dennis much at all. I think he's on CNBC. I just dont go to that channel much. I love Bill Maher's "Real Time" on HBO. Great show. Funny as **** and quite a lively debate/discussion

I don't watch Dennis much at all. I think he's on CNBC. I just dont go to that channel much. I love Bill Maher's "Real Time" on HBO. Great show. Funny as **** and quite a lively debate/discussion

Yes, 3 v. 1 is fair.

Yes, 3 v. 1 is fair.
That's usually the ratio on Fox panel shows, and they call themselves Fair and Balanced. At least Bill Maher doesn't lie that badly.

Yes, 3 v. 1 is fair.

He has 2 Conservatives on quite often. I recall the episode he had Al Sharpton on.....he had Ron Silver (an actor but a very conservative one) and a Republican Congressman (I wish I could remember his name.)

Oh yeah, 2 weeks ago he had Tony Snow from Fox News and Maryland Lt. Gov Michael Steele. That was a good episode.

It all depends on who he can get really. He doesn't pick weak Republicans either usually. Sen. Dana Rorbacher from California, James Rogan....were both on themselves.

That's usually the ratio on Fox panel shows, and they call themselves Fair and Balanced. At least Bill Maher doesn't lie that badly.

Actually no Special Report With Brit Hume has 2 liberals and 2 conservatives. The Beltway Boys has 1 conservative and 1 liberal. Hannity and Colmes has 1 conservative and 1 liberal. On the Record with Greta Van Sus. has 1 liberal.

He has 2 Conservatives on quite often. I recall the episode he had Al Sharpton on.....he had Ron Silver (an actor but a very conservative one) and a Republican Congressman (I wish I could remember his name.)

Oh yeah, 2 weeks ago he had Tony Snow from Fox News and Maryland Lt. Gov Michael Steele. That was a good episode.

It all depends on who he can get really. He doesn't pick weak Republicans either usually. Sen. Dana Rorbacher from California, James Rogan....were both on themselves.

So Maher has a 2 to 2 ratio once every season. Sounds fair.

He has 2 Conservatives on quite often. I recall the episode he had Al Sharpton on.....he had Ron Silver (an actor but a very conservative one) and a Republican Congressman (I wish I could remember his name.)

Oh yeah, 2 weeks ago he had Tony Snow from Fox News and Maryland Lt. Gov Michael Steele. That was a good episode.

It all depends on who he can get really. He doesn't pick weak Republicans either usually. Sen. Dana Rorbacher from California, James Rogan....were both on themselves.
The one with the Michael Steele and Tony Snow was very good. In fact, I like it better when Maher has 2 of the panel guests as his complete opposite. Neuraxis clearly doesn't watch Real Time. Maybe he's seen 1 or 2 shows but speaks clearly from ignorance

They actually have spirited debate and aren't allowed to get away with partisan crap without being called on it.

What Neuraxis doesn't understand is that it's not the political position of a host or a guest I take issue with. It's the LOGIC they use in coming to those conclusions. On shows like Hannity and Colmes and Crossfire, they defend their party's position no matter what even they know their party is wrong

So Maher has a 2 to 2 ratio once every season. Sounds fair.
If you can defend your position with some semblance of understanding of your subject matter and the facts, it doesnt matter if it's 10 on 1. you can't be ****ed with. The only issue is whether or not you get the same time to express your opinion as the others. And Maher is good with that. he had a conservative guest on earlier this season who had an unpopular decision and the audience (clearly to th left) began to boo and drown him out. Maher told them to shut up and don't be dicks. Sounds like a fair host to me.

Since when do I watch Hannity and Colmes and Crossfire? Because that's news to me. As for Maher, I am not including guests who talks to one on one. I am only talking about panelists. The Tony Snow show was the best show I've seen in a while because it was fair. Maher rarely has more than 1 conservative on his panell. He even admitted it during the Tony Snow episode when he said they were going to have 2 conservatives on tonight because everyone is complaining that usually only have 1.

Bill O'Reilly is no where near as far to the right as Michael Moore is to the left.

Yes he does, he just doesn't have the balls to admit it.

Try paying attention dumbass, you might learn something.

Yes he does, he just doesn't have the balls to admit it.

Try paying attention dumbass, you might learn something.

Maybe if you read the part about where he stands on the issues, you wouldn't be looking like such a dunce right now.

Since when do I watch Hannity and Colmes and Crossfire? Because that's news to me. As for Maher, I am not including guests who talks to one on one. I am only talking about panelists. The Tony Snow show was the best show I've seen in a while because it was fair. Maher rarely has more than 1 conservative on his panell. He even admitted it during the Tony Snow episode when he said they were going to have 2 conservatives on tonight because everyone is complaining that usually only have 1.
I dont care if he has 3 leftist or 3 right wingers. As long as they're willing to have INTELLIGENT exchange and admit the error of their ways and the ways of their parties when it comes to issues I'm all ears. There's nothing like a person who says, "I was wrong" or "My party was wrong" or "This war is wrong."

You're too caught up into liberals and conservative labels. **** them all. I hope all the partisans in this country burn in hell. Theyr'e ruining it.

I dont care if he has 3 leftist or 3 right wingers. As long as they're willing to have INTELLIGENT exchange and admit the error of their ways and the ways of their parties when it comes to issues I'm all ears. There's nothing like a person who says, "I was wrong" or "My party was wrong" or "This war is wrong."

You're too caught up into liberals and conservative labels. **** them all. I hope all the partisans in this country burn in hell. Theyr'e ruining it.

Bill is capable of having an intelligent exchange, but for the most part the actors and actresses are not.

Hannity and Colmes is balanced??? Who does almost ALL the talking?

Greta van Sustren is a moderate, not a liberal.

Most of the "liberals" who appear on Faux News are moderates, not liberals, and are not nearly as well known as the conservative guests.

If you can defend your position with some semblance of understanding of your subject matter and the facts, it doesnt matter if it's 10 on 1. you can't be ****ed with. The only issue is whether or not you get the same time to express your opinion as the others. And Maher is good with that. he had a conservative guest on earlier this season who had an unpopular decision and the audience (clearly to th left) began to boo and drown him out. Maher told them to shut up and don't be dicks. Sounds like a fair host to me.

I recall that. The guest's name escapes me but he was clearly Ying to Maher's Yang. I was pleasantly surprised to see Bill tell the audience, "Shut up! This is a serious man who deserves to be heard."