I have always had an interest for serial killers and what I wonder is who do you guys (and girls) think the is the worrest killer ever.

And not just judging by their number of kills because henry lee lucas says he killed hundreds but that was never proven and he didn't really kill in a bad way. Guys like Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish and John Wayne Gacy were really mad killers.

IMO dahmer is the worest one ever, altough fish is mad as well.

Hitler

Pedro Lopez killed over 300 little girls all over South America.

The Monster of the Andes" murdered some 300 or more little girls as he roamed the poor neighborhoods of Ecuador, Colombia and Peru. He boasts now that he is the "Man of the Century," that no one will ever forget.


http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/index.html

Don't you mean who was the BEST serial killer? ..those who turned their victims into a work of art and enjoyed their victims death.

i guess best and worst at what they did in this situation is interchangeable..just depends on what perspective you're looking at it from.

I would have to agree with Curly. Hitler killed not only the most people but children too. I really enjoy shows about forensics and mortuary stuff so I am edumacated on th serial killer

he meant the most vile disgusting.


and it is indeed Pedro Lopez.

Originally posted by lzindsay
I would have to agree with Curly. Hitler killed not only the most people but children too. I really enjoy shows about forensics and mortuary stuff so I am edumacated on th serial killer


Stalin was just as bad depending on how you looked at it.

Hitler didn't kill with his own hands.. he ordered other people to do it.. he was just an awsome speaker with a twisted mind. I hardly consider him a serial killer, just a good boss. If he took scissors to a babies throat and cut off his head, then he would be a killer.. The Nazi'a are the killers.

I think I could make a pretty good serial killer, lol. But the pills I'm on everyday and the shrink I go to every damn week keeps me from crossing that line. You can't order another peron so do it. You, physically, haveto mutilate your victim. Shooting, stabbing, or any other quick death is way too fast and damn common in today's world. You haveto make him or her suffer and beg. String them up, slice them slowly, pull their skin off and line it on your walls like wall paper.

Bottom line is that I would harldy consider most of the killers u mentioned as great. They killed way too fast and didn't make the killings their own.. they didn't make them unique or enjoy them to the level that they could have.

Mouse is right, hitler was a dictator and a leader of genocide not a serial killer.

I would have to go with Edward Gein. This man was intense he would skin his victims (typically prostitutes) and would make suits of skin out there skin. He would wear it around his house with his junk tucked back between his legs. This man was intense and i believe the insperation for silence of the lambs.

Rob Zombie was also inspired by him when he made his latest movie.

this is very true

Ed Gein indeed is one sick mofo. The killer in Manhunter was actually based on the caracter of Ed Gein.

and for Mouse,

You think Dahmer did not torture his victems enough. He made little holes in their skull, then pored acid in to make em brain dead, they couldn't think or control themselves anymore but they still felt pain, then he tortured them and eventually even put some victems in a bath of acid to slowly burn away by the acid. When the cops finally found him he had a couple of skulls in his fridge and some hands and fingers to eat.

and Albert Fish was just a crazy SOB, he actually cheered when he heard he was gonna be electrocuded in the chair. He was very sadistic and tortured himself on a daily basis. When they judge read out the sentence he cheered out "yes, the electric chair! what a thrill, the only thing I haven't tried yet!"

Albert fish used ot insert needles int ohis genitalia and pound them in like nails.
they have xrays of one's he could never get out

that's true vulgar, but not only his genitalia also in his arms and body. When they finally electrocuded him it wouldn't work the first time because of all the metal needles in his body.

And as for Hitler, hitler is not a serial killer because of the following reasons.
A) the murders were not sexual murders
B) he didn't kill people himself
C) he ordered the deaths of groups of people

If you murder more then 3 people at once without sexual motives you will be a mass murderer, not a serial killer.

And sexual murders does not mean that you have to have sexual intercourse but that means they are murders to satisfy a need.

Originally posted by rtbrouwer
Ed Gein indeed is one sick mofo. The killer in Manhunter was actually based on the caracter of Ed Gein.

and for Mouse,

You think Dahmer did not torture his victems enough. He made little holes in their skull, then pored acid in to make em brain dead, they couldn't think or control themselves anymore but they still felt pain, then he tortured them and eventually even put some victems in a bath of acid to slowly burn away by the acid. When the cops finally found him he had a couple of skulls in his fridge and some hands and fingers to eat.

and Albert Fish was just a crazy SOB, he actually cheered when he heard he was gonna be electrocuded in the chair. He was very sadistic and tortured himself on a daily basis. When they judge read out the sentence he cheered out "yes, the electric chair! what a thrill, the only thing I haven't tried yet!"


Well ron I was thinking Gein before I even clicked the thread.Buffalo Bill from scilence of the lambs,leatherface from TCM,Norman Bates from psycho were all based on Ed Gein.Look him up,the guy was pretty ****ing demented:devil

Originally posted by rtbrouwer
that's true vulgar, but not only his genitalia also in his arms and body. When they finally electrocuded him it wouldn't work the first time because of all the metal needles in his body.

And as for Hitler, hitler is not a serial killer because of the following reasons.
A) the murders were not sexual murders
B) he didn't kill people himself
C) he ordered the deaths of groups of people

If you murder more then 3 people at once without sexual motives you will be a mass murderer, not a serial killer.

And sexual murders does not mean that you have to have sexual intercourse but that means they are murders to satisfy a need.

Serial Killers are not all sexually based crimes.

It is not at all a factor in calsification of a serial killer, tho it does happen to be commonplace for the killer to have sexual motice.

http://www.charliemanson.com/graphics/start.jpg

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T H E P O W E R O F E V I L

By Charles Manson (San Quentin, 1987)

One cannot do evil unless they can do good - One must see beyond both to understand the power - if all your life you live in green and one day not knowing any other color you're thrown in a world with nothing but yellow and ask where would you want to live, yellow or green -


The Fear would run back to green - The evil free nature without fear would say yellow- Now, on the other hand if the mind was raised a lifetime in between yellow and green and told yellow is bad Evil and green is good and nice- the true free nature would want to touch green and feel the fear and excitement of it. It would be new thrills and if taught guilt would go back to yellow and punish itself within its thought patterns - On the 3rd hand if all of a sudden from yellow and green all the colors were opened up to that brain:


1) It would go mad and lose all its patterns


2) The free nature without fear would think it heaven.


There are guidelines to Evil. After the illusion of good and bad as programmed are taken away from the brain with concepts of good and evil gone you're in the brain of a child again- yet as the endless struggle goes on pushed and pulled by soulless grown ups trying to get the childs brain back into money fear and whatever it is that each grownup has in that brain - REAL Evil comes into play - One must be able to create to be evil - Create in such a way that it does not come back and fall upon the source. This is done in circles 5-7-8; sometimes 9-13-33 and 50-390 can be used but to get that many people in the truth would be hard to do in the world as it is today - to five five honest people over ten years would be no easy trip. Honest to self in the world as it is would be called mentally retarded - a fool, clown, etc.


An illusion to some may be a death reality to others. A play on a stage may invoke madness somewhere else as it may circle the stage and be in the streets behind the stage plays - There are looks that kill and motions of a finger that can destroy much. The wave of a hand the wearing of a hat or the color of socks and shoes - the MIND is endless and set in total perfection - PERFECTION - and beyond human brains stuck in green and yellow.


There are colors yet to be created we each percieve in a balance of what our minds are ready for - We say theer are only 92 of this or 44 winds 13 moons but really what you call evil has no guidelines to its points of now and its methods have never played out to an end because there is no End, it only begins.


Good ends in death. What would happpen to each brain if it found out that it truly couldn't die - that in the most real of reals they could do anything and never die. I'll tell you... Total Evil. Total madness holds guidelines in the patterned brain; take the fear down and madness comes in to dance and feast. Our true nature is evil but we are taught, trained, and programmed against our own nature by the fears of grownups. We are told its bad to lie and not to lie yet we are always lied to.


Until we believe everyone lies- then the circle of people that don't lie and keep the knowledge buy and sell us in and for games left over by wars - as most brains look up to death and call their fears love and vice versa. and fewer yet understand and do something else- A dog with big teeth hits a child with it tail when no grownups are looking. The dog sets the mind of the child and understands humans and their brains more than the humans - They play good guys because their food and life depends on humans - but take them to the woods and they bite and kill rabbits, squrrels, and reflect the other side of nature itself - Dogs like humans have lost the true sense of nature and survival. Human brains are programmed by past thoughts and locked to love their fear and fear their love. So beyond Good and Evil there is only as much good as you can do for yourself - you can do no real good unless you can do evil - Why?


Because if a brain is stuck in what's taught as good it can do no evil or good because it is stuck with no choice and/or no real sense of either good and/or evil. A body's brain must be free from ego or in control of ego games in order to make the choice themselves - Doing good is easy. Doing evil takes more effort more creative work and then one must know how to stand back from the rewards. LIKE one must realize a perfect universe within oneself. Even if you realize there is no real self you can pick up a self and be a perfect love a perfect hate a balance finer than a spiders web. You're the God who rules over that domain that world and anyone who breaks your will you put them on the evil side of the line - The ones that will not respond o your life and have no respect for your being then all your inner power is moving to balance that with the Evil.


A personal judgment is NOT needed and a danger to the source of perfection must always be in the balance - Your low self or bad guy mirror is used to reflect the bad and good to reflect the real self in a love - Like never sacrafice the center of your circle - Create circles outside the love and step from them leaving them to Ka - if you can be a spider or transcend the human brain and put your life in a spider and you send that spider to bite someone and they don't have that coming the spider will circle and come back at you with a perfect balance. Like when that Hindu burnt me and I lived - their leader in India was shot and killed and 2500 people were burnt up in a fire - His evil reflected back. The interplay of human has little to do with the reality of real life - Everyone and everything is controlled by something or someone else - Where evil and good starts and ends in balance and harmony beyond all the words and thought patterns.

Manson never actually killed anyone either......

He was the mastermind though. Same as Hitler................he commanded.......people obeyed.

I consider both to be killers.

worrest?

yeah I mean baddest, most cruel, best, whatever you wanna call it.... I am dutch so sometiems I don't come up with the right words.

ahhh, as long as you arent an illiterate american you can pass ;)

hehe, okay, thnx.

Ron = cool mother****er \m/ *headbangs to cannibal corpse*

Ummm.... that would be God

Zodiac Killer...that guy was a genius. He ****ed around with the police at that time so much and was never close to being caught. I read a book on that guy he was pure genius.

I have always had an interest for serial killers and what I wonder is who do you guys (and girls) think the is the worrest killer ever.

And not just judging by their number of kills because henry lee lucas says he killed hundreds but that was never proven and he didn't really kill in a bad way. Guys like Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish and John Wayne Gacy were really mad killers.

IMO dahmer is the worest one ever, altough fish is mad as well.
Learn how to spell worst.

"yeah I mean baddest, most cruel, best, whatever you wanna call it.... I am dutch so sometiems I don't come up with the right words."

give the guy a break

I saw a few shows on HBO about a serial killer. I think they called him the Iceman. He revealed all the people he killed and how he did it. Very sick man...

Me........

I saw a few shows on HBO about a serial killer. I think they called him the Iceman. He revealed all the people he killed and how he did it. Very sick man...


i saw that1. and even in jail he was stone cold

Jeffrey Dahmer, first he killed them, then he ate them.

I've never heard of Albert Fish before so I looked him up in Wikipedia. This is one the most disturbing things I have ever read.

On May 28, 1928, Fish, then 58 years old, visited the Budd family in Manhattan, New York City. He was responding to a work wanted ad placed by 18-year-old Edward Budd. At the Budd's apartment, Fish found Edward perfect, but then met his younger sister, ten-year-old Grace. Fish promised to hire Edward and send for him in a few days, and in the meantime he convinced Mr. and Mrs. Budd to let Grace accompany him to a party that evening at his home. Fish left with Grace Budd that day, but never came back.

In November of 1934, an anonymous letter was sent to the girl's parents which led the police to Albert Fish. The letter is reprinted here, with all of Fish's misspellings and grammatical errors:

Dear Mrs. Budd. In 1894 a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the Steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China. On arriving there he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned the boat was gone. At that time there was famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1-3 per pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak—chops—or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girl's behind which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price. John stayed there so long he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y. he stole two boys, one 7 and one 11. Took them to his home stripped them naked tied them in a closet. Then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them—tortured them—to make their meat good and tender. First he killed the 11 year old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked and eaten except the head—bones and guts. He was roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next, went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E 100 St. near—right side. He told me so often how good human flesh was I made up my mind to taste it. On Sunday June the 3, 1928 I called on you at 406 W 15 St. Brought you pot cheese—strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them. When all was ready I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in a closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma. First I stripped her naked. How she did kick—bite and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms. Cook and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not **** her tho I could of had I wished. She died a virgin.

Albert Fish
I had never heard of him either.

Anyone else caught that new show Most Evil on Discovery?

Man, I read only a few posts and I got scared ****less. But I was reading it 3 in the morning. Now I'm not as scared :) ;)

Michael Myers

That Iceman son of *****.

That Iceman son of *****.

He looked 230lb and 6,3. He was a pretty big guy, but without his weapons he would have been ****ed up.