The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?


Bro Pac against JMM is 50/50, Pac against MAB is still 50/50, Pac against Chi is also 50/50 and so against Harison. Anything can happen inside that ring I simply want these fights to happen to find out who is the real CHAMP in the featherweight.

In one word: no. JMM dominated the fight after the second round. Pac has the ability to catch you off guard with his speed and power but once a fighter gets used to it, as JMM did, then he has no surprises left in his bag of tricks. JMM by UD.

In one word: no. JMM dominated the fight after the second round. Pac has the ability to catch you off guard with his speed and power but once a fighter gets used to it, as JMM did, then he has no surprises left in his bag of tricks. JMM by UD.

Here we go again, JMM is really a very good counter puncher and won more rounds in that 12 round bout (5-7)as per my opinion, but no way that he dominated the fight after the first round, it is a close as hell and did you see how JMM & Pac looked like after the fight, nobody who looks like that could say that he dominated the fight, maybe they can say they won but dominate......

We just have to wait for the rematch and let these 2 wariors do the talking, and settle the score....

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JMM seems to think so. Why else would he avoid an immediate rematch?

i'm thoroughly w/ prboxingfan on this one. come feb and the day after when JMM dismantles pac i'll wait and laugh at all the mexicans on this board to come out in full ambush of the filipinos on the board, i can care less, i'm PR too ... but JMM has too much for pac now that there are no surprises. JMM by lopsided decision. smart boxers are better than wild ones.

Barrera was a smart boxer....all he got was a beatdown. IMO Barrera is better than Marquez.

In the first match Pacquaio shot his load in the first round and just couldn't pull the trigger again. Even though he was flat for the rest of the match I still think he won it.

There were two different fights in that first one....which leads me to be unableto decide who'd win a second fight.

JMM showed that he could outbox Pac, once he himself settled in & recovered.
Pac showed that he could rock JMM at any point in the fight.

Going into the first fight, I had JMM TKOing Pac....I thought he counter the **** outta Pac & hurt him...problem was, he never hurt Manny.

More than anything, the fact that JMM couldn't really damage Pacquiao....& Pac showed he could inflict serious damage to JMM has me leaning towards Pac in a rematch (if I absolutely must make a pick).


It's a rematch that absolutely has to happen.

The second fight I think Manny will lose a decision.

Here we go again, JMM is really a very good counter puncher and won more rounds in that 12 round bout (5-7)as per my opinion, but no way that he dominated the fight after the first round, it is a close as hell and did you see how JMM & Pac looked like after the fight, nobody who looks like that could say that he dominated the fight, maybe they can say they won but dominate......

We just have to wait for the rematch and let these 2 wariors do the talking, and settle the score....

Not after the first round, after the second. From the third round on the fight was extremely lopsided in JMM's favor. Yes, Manny kept connecting with that straight left, but JMM countered beautifully. Remember that JMM couldn't breath normally because of the busted-up nose Pac gave him as a gift in the first round and that, my friends, takes away much of your power. When they fight again he will be able to control Pac for at least 9 rounds and will keep him off of him with great power counterpunches while boxing circles around Pac.

This is just what I think and I'm not trying to start an argument about it. You have your oppinion and I have mine. We will see who is more analytical of the boxing situation between both fighters next time they fight. I, unlike you, am unbiased in this fight so I say things without their nuts in my face (i.e. the halo effect that is created when people love their fighters). I'd love to see Pac pull it out as he is a more exciting fighter to watch but I doubt it.

As for the MAB fight, I've said, and continue to hold the same position, that Pac is not what fighters expect and often surprises his opponents. If they can't adjust they lose, simple as that. MAB was unable to adjust like JMM did and, because of that, he lost. If they fight again I'm taking MAB in the rematch. I had Pac in the first fight because I thought he'd be too quick for a MAB who was not propperly trained (personal problems at the time). I had Pac winning the JMM fight, slimly, even though I had picked JMM to win that fight. This time, tho, I think JMM does it convincingly.

Barrera was a smart boxer....all he got was a beatdown. IMO Barrera is better than Marquez.

In the first match Pacquaio shot his load in the first round and just couldn't pull the trigger again. Even though he was flat for the rest of the match I still think he won it.

barrera gets jobbed into all those wars easily, what pac poses and JMM's national pride clashed, and JMM paid dearly. JMM has always, ****, since i first saw him make robbie peden vomit blood been a better/smarter boxer IMO then barrera. hes the winky wright of the feathers. every winky has a vargas. if winky fought vargas again whatta ya think wudda happened? exactly.

Yeah. I read the interview where Winky says he doesn't want to fight Vargas anymore. That's a ***** move..

Yeah. I read the interview where Winky says he doesn't want to fight Vargas anymore. That's a ***** move..

why's that a ***** move? vargas didn't wanna give him a rematch ever again, and now that hes big fish why should he fight vargas? vargas is small time now.

Because..Vargas, at the time, was suffering from the effects of an overdose of Viagra, and one low blow, could have end his career...now he's clean, sir..

This is just what I think and I'm not trying to start an argument about it. You have your oppinion and I have mine. We will see who is more analytical of the boxing situation between both fighters next time they fight. I, unlike you, am unbiased in this fight so I say things without their nuts in my face (i.e. the halo effect that is created when people love their fighters). I'd love to see Pac pull it out as he is a more exciting fighter to watch but I doubt it.

I had Pac winning the JMM fight, slimly, even though I had picked JMM to win that fight. This time, tho, I think JMM does it convincingly.

points taken PRboxingfan, I also don't want an argument, I want Pac & JMM do the talking for me, I also admit that I am an avid Pac Fan but his nuts does not block how I see the fight, Pac Man will hit JMM and will win by KO, but if Pac can not finish the job, JMM has enough technical skill to win on points and thats how I see it....

On the rematch doubts will be convincingly answered!!!

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every time Manny fights we Pac Fans don't expect him just to win, we expect him to KO the other guy....

thats why we call him the destroyer....

I think that JMM will beat Manny by close UD but I want Pac to KO JMM late...so we can see him get all confident and get ****ing murdered by Morales.

Nah I'm just kidding but I would like to see Pac beat JMM.

Because..Vargas, at the time, was suffering from the effects of an overdose of Viagra, and one low blow, could have end his career...now he's clean, sir..

lol - you're such a fool

lol yeah...that would be even funnier (thats a word right :confused:) anyway yeah..it would be funnier then the zab dance...to see manny go in with erik thinking i took mab and JMM i can do this..go in and get owned lol...pac better know if he beats JMM

(which i dont think he will..some ppl just have fighter that they cant beat like vargas/winky ...tito/hopkins...tyson/holy....so i think JMM had manny's number now)

not rush into a fight with erik which he does..he rushes fights ..and u gotta think with ur head not just ur heart..and train motherfu...!

Pacman is going to lose and lose big at that.

JMM looked a little shell shocked in his last fight. Especially in the late rounds when Salida started to put pressure on him. Problem was he didn't have enough power to really dent JMM but he definitely got his attention. I think Pac pressures JMM & ko's him mid-way. Freddy Roach will keep Pac on a good gameplan to finish JMM off

Yeah PAC CAN beat JMM. But JMM CAN beat PAC.

Thats what makes the rematch so intriguing. I think it will all depend on the style JMM brings to the table. If JMM is more cautious this time, then i see Pacquiao winning. However if Marquez bum rushes manny throughout the fight and is the more aggressive of the two, I see him pulling this one out.

Great fight though.

Yeah PAC CAN beat JMM. But JMM CAN beat PAC.

Thats what makes the rematch so intriguing. I think it will all depend on the style JMM brings to the table. If JMM is more cautious this time, then i see Pacquiao winning. However if Marquez bum rushes manny throughout the fight and is the more aggressive of the two, I see him pulling this one out.

Great fight though.

huh? ultimate, bumrushing manny is exactly what got his ass stretched the first round, 3 times! so how the hell is him bumrushing manny gonna win him the fight? he needs to be cautious of that left and do what he does best, which is counter punch and make manny look like mayorga looked against spinks. enough counters will keep manny at bay like what happened in the 2nd half of their fight and if JMM does that from the onset then i think that this will be an easy fight for JMM.

huh? ultimate, bumrushing manny is exactly what got his ass stretched the first round, 3 times! so how the hell is him bumrushing manny gonna win him the fight? he needs to be cautious of that left and do what he does best, which is counter punch and make manny look like mayorga looked against spinks. enough counters will keep manny at bay like what happened in the 2nd half of their fight and if JMM does that from the onset then i think that this will be an easy fight for JMM.
What he said ^

huh? ultimate, bumrushing manny is exactly what got his ass stretched the first round, 3 times! so how the hell is him bumrushing manny gonna win him the fight? he needs to be cautious of that left and do what he does best, which is counter punch and make manny look like mayorga looked against spinks. enough counters will keep manny at bay like what happened in the 2nd half of their fight and if JMM does that from the onset then i think that this will be an easy fight for JMM.

Actually everytime Marquez was on the Offensive he was effective. In the first round he got dropped but he was already staying back counter-punching, he kept giving pacquiao the distance to make his 1-2 as effective as possible.

Oh and Manny does not lack as much offensive skill as Mayorga, and Marquez does not move around (run) like spinks.

Actually everytime Marquez was on the Offensive he was successful. In the first round he got dropped but he was already staying back counter-punching, he kept giving pacquiao the distance to make his 1-2 as effective as possible.

uh-uh dude, i remember marquez coming out trying to prove a point in that first and not fighting his fight. he let that pressure of making an example of manny get to him from his mexican supporters for what pac had been saying about blazing a trail through mexico.

in the 3rd-12th, we saw vintage JMM, precise counter punching who'd make pac pay dearly. their first fight minus that first round would have prolly been the most lopsided fight this year. that first round ONLY happened because of what JMM didn't do (fight his fight), not what pac did.

uh-uh dude, i remember marquez coming out trying to prove a point in that first and not fighting his fight. he let that pressure of making an example of manny get to him from his mexican supporters for what pac had been saying about blazing a trail through mexico.

in the 3rd-12th, we saw vintage JMM, precise counter punching who'd make pac pay dearly. their first fight minus that first round would have prolly been the most lopsided fight this year. that first round ONLY happened because of what JMM didn't do (fight his fight), not what pac did.

nah man, he came out offensive at first and was VERY effective, but then he calmed down stayed back and tried counter punching, gave pacquiao the distance and pacquiao made him pay.

I just watched the first round btw. :D

Oh and Manny does not lack as much offensive skill as Mayorga, and Marquez does not move around (run) like spinks.

granted. i guess i was just thinking about how big of a fool mayorga was exposed as in my eyes after that fight. JMM can make a good fighter look just as bad be it pac, mab and dare i say .... erik

ok, prolly not erik.

Im hoping JMM beats PAC so Erik can move to 135 ASAP.

Him staying at 130 all this time is not doing his career (and future mega fight plans) much good.

Im hoping JMM beats PAC so Erik can move to 135 ASAP.

Him staying at 130 all this time is not doing his career (and future mega fight plans) much good.


He hasn't been at 130 for a year yet. He's had two fights !

I don't think JMM has a chance in a rematch. Manny obviously had 1 plan that he wasn't going to switch for the whole fight. That was finish him off quickly with left hand. Having planned that, once he shot all he could in 1st rd and hand was injured, he could do nothing more except survive with no new plan and an injured hand for the rest of the fight. I don't know who did better, Manny with no plan, or Marquez with a broken nose :P There is no way Manny is going to have 1 plan this time in a rematch. You will see him more developed as when he fought Barrera incase his first plan which I think will be knock him out again doesn't work. What will JMM do? He's always been a counter puncher, he can't change. Manny seems to be a different fighter in every fight I've seen. Adjusting according to his opponent. I think it'll be a TKO win in rematch for Manny. If things go terribly wrong, then I could see JMM getting a decision. Manny knows whats at stake this time, he won't risk it.

I don't think JMM has a chance in a rematch. Manny obviously had 1 plan that he wasn't going to switch for the whole fight. That was finish him off quickly with left hand. Having planned that, once he shot all he could in 1st rd and hand was injured, he could do nothing more except survive with no new plan and an injured hand for the rest of the fight. I don't know who did better, Manny with no plan, or Marquez with a broken nose :P There is no way Manny is going to have 1 plan this time in a rematch. You will see him more developed as when he fought Barrera incase his first plan which I think will be knock him out again doesn't work. What will JMM do? He's always been a counter puncher, he can't change. Manny seems to be a different fighter in every fight I've seen. Adjusting according to his opponent. I think it'll be a TKO win in rematch for Manny. If things go terribly wrong, then I could see JMM getting a decision. Manny knows whats at stake this time, he won't risk it.

i'd expect that type of post from a guy named elpacman.

He hasn't been at 130 for a year yet. He's had two fights !

Yeah but time is ticking he's been in too many wars, he's already 28, his goal is to be 4 division champ and defend the title but even more than that is to try to strike a deal with Mayweather Jr. and get a fight with him at catch weight of 138lbs.

hehe btw officially its been 3 fights :D

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?


that 1st roudn JMM tryed to fight with a style that wasnt his
he felt he would be to strong for pac and found it not true
next time he wont give pac that oppurtunity
hes gonna fight the whole fight counteren which is what hes good at and what got him to where he is
he'll use smart aggression this time
i hope pac knocked some sense into him in that 1st round
this time in the later rounds he'll be alot fresher and stronger since he wont go through another round 1 like in the firts fight
JMM by w12 or possibly late KO more likely TKO cuz i dont think manny will quit or try not to get up and make the count

Yeah but time is ticking he's been in too many wars, he's already 28, his goal is to be 4 division champ and defend the title but even more than that is to try to strike a deal with Mayweather Jr. and get a fight with him at catch weight of 138lbs.

hehe btw officially its been 3 fights :D

Ooh that's what I'd like to see.

i'd expect that type of post from a guy named elpacman.

Thank you :p That's not to say I'm not worried if he faces him again, my heart will be pounding knowing he could let it slip away again :D

not any more.. pacs only chance was to hit jmm one more time when he was on the floor that way he wouldnt make the 10 count. after that pac knew he wouldnt win by knockout.

not any more.. pacs only chance was to hit jmm one more time when he was on the floor that way he wouldnt make the 10 count. after that pac knew he wouldnt win by knockout.

he tryed it
on the third KD marquez is about to pull himself up
and pac hits him again
not too hard but he a nice tap

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?

Here are my two main reasons:

Both fighters start fresh, no injuries, no excuses.
- I don't know if you guys noticed, I'm probably the only one.
The difference in Pac's movements from the first round compared with the rest of the fight. Now it's a matter of opinion if you believe Pac's injuries or not but the fact that he wasn't moving in-out, side to side (which is a style best suited for a counter puncher) like he usually does is proof enough for me. He was flat footed and had to rely on head movements to get away from the punches instead of using his feet.

Pac was outboxed in most of the rounds, but I believe this is due to the reduction of mobility. After he threw a punch he was a sitting duck to be counterpunched.

Round 9
-This is probably what the rematch will look like. Marquez was still fully aware of Pac's left. But Pac threw feints and was able to connect flush on the nose. JMM would counter, Pac would step back, JMM misses and exposes his chin once again for another punch. For those of you who don't remember, MAB tried countering, Pacs in and out movements made himself impossible to be hit.

My opinion is a fresh Pac with proper feet and head movements, feints and a healthy left hand would ridicule JMM. He can counter all he wants but Pac's socks would hold this time :D and he wouldn't be there to be hit. In a rematch, JMM wouldn't be thinking only of Pac's straight left and that makes him all the more vulnerable for feints and other attacks.

Pac will soften up JMM early, mash the body, then go for the kill. That's my theory.

a good boxer would beat a good head hunter 99% of the time. jmm could have made the easy 4 him if he didnt let the machismo get the best of him in the first round

a good boxer would beat a good head hunter 99% of the time. jmm could have made the easy 4 him if he didnt let the machismo get the best of him in the first round

counter punching and boxig isn't the same

yeah, manny can beat marquez. but marquez can beat manny. i also think barrera can beat manny still. i just hope all these fights get made!!

Given another chance I believe Manny will make sure
he gets tje win by KO

Yeah PAC CAN beat JMM. But JMM CAN beat PAC.

Thats what makes the rematch so intriguing. I think it will all depend on the style JMM brings to the table. If JMM is more cautious this time, then i see Pacquiao winning. However if Marquez bum rushes manny throughout the fight and is the more aggressive of the two, I see him pulling this one out.

Great fight though.

Yes, i agree with you that's why i said it's 50/50 and although im for pac-man i can sense that he's going to run to a needle's hole to beat JMM.

Yes, i agree with you that's why i said it's 50/50 and although im for pac-man i can sense that he's going to run to a needle's hole to beat JMM.


Absolutely . . . same here . . . I'm for PAC but I know it's going to be a tough one. ;)

I guess this is settled, we let the two fighters answer the questions for us, let Pac try to get that KO & JMM can counter Pac all night a 50-50 proposition giving both fighters due respect they deserve...

But as I see it, I am confident that JMM will kiss the canvass again....

Don't forget it guys JMM can counter Pac the whole night and win more rounds but it just takes one punch to do this....

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YES! by middle round TKO/KO :)

Manny TKO 6th rd..absolutely he will win this time...

My take . . . .MP by K.O. or T.K.O within 10. :cool:

If JMM culd make the fight as close as it was with a broken nose and after survivng a 3 knockdown round, I'd have to make him a sizable favorite in the rematch-through the wide majority of middle rounds, Marquez was simply schooling Pacquao in terms of counter-punching and setting the pace.

I kinda believe Manny when he was interviewed, that had he not injured his hand in the first round JMM would have been finished. I'll take Pacman by KO within 3 rounds on their rematch.

All ppl there that hate Manny was when manny came into the ring..Yes I Know but when JMM came into the ring they feel that they want to sleep..Thats why they like JMM, they want to shout BOOOOEEEEDDDD!!!!

Yup, I think JMM handles him fairly easily if they get together again. Although I think that JMM exposed Pacman a bit, there are not many out there that would be able to do what he did against Manny.

The second fight I think Manny will lose a decision.

That would be very impossible coz the second time around Manny will KO JMM. Roach pointed out that they have developed a new arsenal for Pacquiao. He even KO a 147 lbs. sparring partner now here in Davao City, Philippines. Excerpt from the report below:

"In fact, Pacquiao revealed that he knocked down Christopher Saluday, who weighed heavier at 147 pounds with a left uppercut Wednesday. That is bad news for Fahsan, who promised to come up with his own surprise."


Can u imagine that? Pacquiao will kill JMM the next time around. I don't think JMM's counter punching skills will matter. He better run.

Not after the first round, after the second. From the third round on the fight was extremely lopsided in JMM's favor. Yes, Manny kept connecting with that straight left, but JMM countered beautifully. Remember that JMM couldn't breath normally because of the busted-up nose Pac gave him as a gift in the first round and that, my friends, takes away much of your power. When they fight again he will be able to control Pac for at least 9 rounds and will keep him off of him with great power counterpunches while boxing circles around Pac.

This is just what I think and I'm not trying to start an argument about it. You have your oppinion and I have mine. We will see who is more analytical of the boxing situation between both fighters next time they fight. I, unlike you, am unbiased in this fight so I say things without their nuts in my face (i.e. the halo effect that is created when people love their fighters). I'd love to see Pac pull it out as he is a more exciting fighter to watch but I doubt it.

As for the MAB fight, I've said, and continue to hold the same position, that Pac is not what fighters expect and often surprises his opponents. If they can't adjust they lose, simple as that. MAB was unable to adjust like JMM did and, because of that, he lost. If they fight again I'm taking MAB in the rematch. I had Pac in the first fight because I thought he'd be too quick for a MAB who was not propperly trained (personal problems at the time). I had Pac winning the JMM fight, slimly, even though I had picked JMM to win that fight. This time, tho, I think JMM does it convincingly.




Pacquiao will KO JMM if rematch push through. I bet 100% on that. He already KO his sparring partner right now who weighs 147 lbs. for his Fahsan fight. He will kill JMM next match.

The second fight I think Manny will lose a decision.

I completely agree. As big of a Manny fan that I am, he was exposed in the latter part of their first fight.

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?


I'm a Pac fan too but anybody can't just ignore the heart, patience and tremendous counter punching skill that JMM showed in his first fight with Pac.This second fight would be harder for both since they already know what the other is capable of doing inside that ring.

yES IT'S 50/50 FOR EITHER and the result will depend on who is more conditioned and who can put their game plan into play and then stick to it.

Win or lose I'm still with Pac of course! ;)

I completely agree. As big of a Manny fan that I am, he was exposed in the latter part of their first fight.


Pacquiao by KO in the early rounds.

Pac can win if he boxes more and doesn't rush Marquez.
Marquez fights great when his opponent stands in front of him.

Pac should fight the same as he did aginst Barrera. In that fight he used raiding tactics...stepping in throwing a shot, then moving back out of range.

Against MArquez, his reputation got the better of him and he straight slugged it out.



If he moves in and out, MArquez will be too slow to win.



Black

Pacquiao by KO in the early rounds.

I hope he proves me wrong. Being Asian, I suppost Manny in everyway.

if JMM succeeds over chris john, will this fight happen this year? im re-living this thread because pac i think now have a slight edge over JMM, and that is because of his improvement in movements and counter-punching! and his right hook is slowly becoming to be very handy in times of need.

i hope this fight happens. just imagine... pac's name that says... the counqueror of MAB, EM, and JMM (?). this will put pac close to being nominated to the HOF im very sure of that LOL!!

still havent watched the fight
but from what i hear
pacs no longer the one handed puncher
so JJM wont have as an easy time as the first in out boxing him
but i still think he can do

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?

BEfore Pac beat Morales I would have said marquez would have a 70 percent of winning. Now after seeing the variety of punches Pac was throwing I would say 50/50

can pac beat jmm? hell yeah!!!!! he actually beat him when they fought except for that dumbass judge who thought you couldn't take off a point for every knockdown in that first round. damn, bad judges just really get under my skin.

jmm did even up the score more as the fight went on, but now pacquiao has shown massive improvements in many areas: he's shooting out the jab very well now(he didn't really have much of a jab earlier in his career), his right hook is vastly improved - better accuracy and seemed to get more pop into it, and his overall ring generalship especially his movement around the ring is definitely looking better for the most part. his counterpunching is also looking very good.

i don't think jmm will try to fight pac again, at least not in the near future. perhaps barerra is a good next step since he has a couple of belts. besides jmm having no belts, they are in different weight classes. i apologize if some of this has been covered already as i didn't read through the whole thread yet.

the current pacquiao is not the one that fought jmm a couple of years ago, he's even better now.

BEfore Pac beat Morales I would have said marquez would have a 70 percent of winning. Now after seeing the variety of punches Pac was throwing I would say 50/50

Yeah but Marquez is a counter puncher. Manny throwing other punches could also even be better for Marquez.

boinks! he can beat the old version pacman.

but the devil version of the pacman right now i dont think so he can.

he wont last either 8 rounds.

i'm thoroughly w/ prboxingfan on this one. come feb and the day after when JMM dismantles pac i'll wait and laugh at all the mexicans on this board to come out in full ambush of the filipinos on the board, i can care less, i'm PR too ... but JMM has too much for pac now that there are no surprises. JMM by lopsided decision. smart boxers are better than wild ones.
remember, pac was raw in his fight with JMM compared to his fight with erik... pac was just the straight left in that fight and now he has some more to offer JMM... close match... pac will break down JMM and tire him and win a split D... i can see no KD's however...

Yeah but Marquez is a counter puncher. Manny throwing other punches could also even be better for Marquez.
Better for Marquez? how?

Have you forgotten the rearranged face of Morales? lol!

Remember Marquez is weak-chinned. :)

Better for Marquez? how?

Have you forgotten the rearranged face of Morales? lol!

Remember Marquez is weak-chinned. :)
i think what he meant was JMM being the counter puncher, and manny throwing more punches, JMM will also have more chances to counter punch...

@HENDRIX - on the contrary, having a wider variety of punches will make it not easy for JMM to predict what punch pac is going to throw... not lik the first fight :D

BEfore Pac beat Morales I would have said marquez would have a 70 percent of winning. Now after seeing the variety of punches Pac was throwing I would say 50/50

pacman has improved in a span of 2 years since he first faced JMM. Now, he fights like he's the devil himself :boxing:

Pacquiao by TKO in Round 4. I'll give Pac few rounds to warm up.

Last fight, Pac was just too predictable wit throwing one punch. Pac kills JMM this time in Round 4, possibly less.

can pac beat jmm? hell yeah!!!!! he actually beat him when they fought except for that dumbass judge who thought you couldn't take off a point for every knockdown in that first round. damn, bad judges just really get under my skin.

jmm did even up the score more as the fight went on, but now pacquiao has shown massive improvements in many areas: he's shooting out the jab very well now(he didn't really have much of a jab earlier in his career), his right hook is vastly improved - better accuracy and seemed to get more pop into it, and his overall ring generalship especially his movement around the ring is definitely looking better for the most part. his counterpunching is also looking very good.

i don't think jmm will try to fight pac again, at least not in the near future. perhaps barerra is a good next step since he has a couple of belts. besides jmm having no belts, they are in different weight classes. i apologize if some of this has been covered already as i didn't read through the whole thread yet.

the current pacquiao is not the one that fought jmm a couple of years ago, he's even better now.

good to see you here again, what's up? haven't seen you here lately eh?

about JMM fighting pac, im hoping he would coz that's the only big fight i know that pac's ability as a boxer can be put to test. you see, w/ JMM's ability to counter-punch; just waiting & waiting for pac to get out-of-balance before he would throw accurate punches right there & then and pac would unload some big bombs of his, too - that would be pretty exciting fight better than the first one i suppose!

how well could JMM absorb some of pac's power punches this time? he has tasted it and he knows how vicious is that left hand that if he's caught w/ it he's gonna go down. to me, this i think will gonna get him very cautious. would be a big advantage for pac coz he will use the same strategy, the same one he used against EM the last time they fought! pressure & pressure until the latter bowed out!!

roach knows that JMM will just counter-punch his way to win. roach would probably try to match pac against JMM punch by punch & for pac to box efficiently. or to wait for that big left to connect and to put pressure on JMM from round 1 until the very last?!!

good to see you here again, what's up? haven't seen you here lately eh?

about JMM fighting pac, im hoping he would coz that's the only big fight i know that pac's ability as a boxer can be put to test. you see, w/ JMM's ability to counter-punch; just waiting & waiting for pac to get out-of-balance before he would throw accurate punches right there & then and pac would unload some big bombs of his, too - that would be pretty exciting fight better than the first one i suppose!

how well could JMM absorb some of pac's power punches this time? he has tasted it and he knows how vicious is that left hand that if he's caught w/ it he's gonna go down. to me, this i think will gonna get him very cautious. would be a big advantage for pac coz he will use the same strategy, the same one he used against EM the last time they fought! pressure & pressure until the latter bowed out!!

roach knows that JMM will just counter-punch his way to win. roach would probably try to match pac against JMM punch by punch & for pac to box efficiently. or to wait for that big left to connect and to put pressure on JMM from round 1 until the very last?!!


Pac will blast JMM. If Pac can eat alot of straight right hands from Morales all night, I doubt Pac gets intimated by Marquez' 40 punch outputs per rounds (mostly jabs).

The only reason Marquez looked kinda impressive (witout the 1st round) last time is becuz Pac was throwin one punch.


JMM doesn't have the chin Morales possess. This guy will hit canvass once he get tag by Pac's combos and left straight. Pac dint hit him wit combos last time. This time, Pac will KILL HIM. LOL! I bet all my points he won't last 4 rounds. :D

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?



I myself agree with tat...

Marquez is one of the mexican boxers that i greatly respect because of his skills in game-planning and his "low-profile" character... even before their fight, as we all know that marquez got him nearly. That is because he let his HANDS DO THE "TALKING" not his mouth...i mean Marquez may get some of PAC but who knows?.... if this fight is on, This would be the most interesting fight ever.....

Pac will blast JMM. If Pac can eat alot of straight right hands from Morales all night, I doubt Pac gets intimated by Marquez' 40 punch outputs per rounds (mostly jabs).

The only reason Marquez looked kinda impressive (witout the 1st round) last time is becuz Pac was throwin one punch.


JMM doesn't have the chin Morales possess. This guy will hit canvass once he get tag by Pac's combos and left straight. Pac dint hit him wit combos last time. This time, Pac will KILL HIM. LOL! I bet all my points he won't last 4 rounds. :D

paging bob arum... please make this fight happen. offer JMM an amount he won't resists. make it 2 million! but make manny's purse double than that (4 million ha ha ha pac will become the richest asian boxer ever!!).

paging bob arum... please make this fight happen. offer JMM an amount he won't resists. make it 2 million! but make manny's purse double than that (4 million ha ha ha pac will become the richest asian boxer ever!!).

if he ducks Pac again, he's a fVckin idiot. He'll be gettin at least a million IMO. Especially if he comes out impressive against Chris John.

I just don't see Marquez winning at all. If Roach said that the 1st Pac vs Morales fight was a baaaad fight, and it's not the real Manny, then I don't know what Roach calls that performance Manny gave out against Marquez.

maybe if we FANS make enough noice, HBO will put some heavyweight money on this fight and let this two warriors settle the score...

IMO, JMM wants no part of pac. He could have had an immediate rematch, the first match being a draw. BTW, Pac really won the first fight if it weren't for a arithmetically challenged judge.

I think pacquiao has gotten better in terms of boxing skills since the JMM fight. He boxed much better against morales in the second fight. Lots of head movement, using the right jab, going upstairs and downstairs. We all know that pacman is willing to fight anyone, he proved it by dismantling the top fighters at 126-130 lbs. Question is, besides one fight with pacquiao, who else has JMM fought? Has he knocked out a barrera or a morales?

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?

second time around, pacqiao would knock JMM out. No problem.

i think jmm takes this one, at 126. looks like pac settled in nicely @ 130 ... if jmm comes up then i say 50/50 ... you don't lose all our ability going up 4lbs ... close fight, no blow out either way .. well ... jmm is probably the one, if anyone wins in a blowout, who'd do it. minus the 1st round in their first fight, jmm would have dominated the entire fight. prolly like 117-110 or something. but pac really changed it up and now when he complains about something,,,, i think i'll believe him after what he did to morales. he said there were something wrong w/ his socks in the jmm fight. right?

i think jmm takes this one, at 126. looks like pac settled in nicely @ 130 ... if jmm comes up then i say 50/50 ... you don't lose all our ability going up 4lbs ... close fight, no blow out either way .. well ... jmm is probably the one, if anyone wins in a blowout, who'd do it. minus the 1st round in their first fight, jmm would have dominated the entire fight. prolly like 117-110 or something. but pac really changed it up and now when he complains about something,,,, i think i'll believe him after what he did to morales. he said there were something wrong w/ his socks in the jmm fight. right?
better believe him coz he has backed his words with action.

ALWAYS.

better believe him coz he has backed his words with action.

ALWAYS.

i wouldn't have replied had it been anyone else, but coming from a dumbass like you, i have to say ..... fokk off and i'll make decisions for myself :eek:

JMM is smart and can beat Pac but, he is 34 years old and slowing down, 130 would make him even slower.

** Of course Pac KOs Marquez which is why he's fighting for a 50 grand purse in Indonesia instead of big bucks against Manny. Follow the money boys, or in Marquez's case, drop all the money honey and run like HELL!

Yes.... Pac has a decent chance of beating JMM.In the first fight Juan figured Pac out in a round or 2 not before getting caught by Pacs power though.Going into a second fight you would figure that JMM would dominate the fight from 1 to 12, atleast that is what logic tells me, but....I think if Pac takes his time and throws combos and body shots just like he did againts Morales he would win a close decision or if Marquez has slowed down a bit he might even get another tko.Im going to go with logic and say JMM boxes Pac and wins by UD. I think Marquez would have beat Barrera and Morales at any time in their respective primes.

Yes.... Pac has a decent chance of beating JMM.In the first fight Juan figured Pac out in a round or 2 not before getting caught by Pacs power though.Going into a second fight you would figure that JMM would dominate the fight from 1 to 12, atleast that is what logic tells me, but....I think if Pac takes his time and throws combos and body shots just like he did againts Morales he would win a close decision or if Marquez has slowed down a bit he might even get another tko.Im going to go with logic and say JMM boxes Pac and wins by UD. I think Marquez would have beat Barrera and Morales at any time in their respective primes.
withou a doudt he figrued out pac after that first round
cept the thing is
pacs not the same fighters
hes grown tremendously
so it wouldnt be nowhere like the first fight
well itd still be JMM winning a decision
but i think itd be a whole diff kinda fight

pac would definitely KO JMM, he may be a slick boxer but pac improved a lot after that fight, he packs the left and right now, JMM can counter all he wants but he wont hurt pac, he'd get KO'd for real

Pacquiao has improved immensely since May 8, 2004. Barrera and Marquez have no shot against this Pacquiao that destroyed Morales.

Yes, Pacman has a chance of beating JMM. Pacman, even though he still prefers the left punch, has improved on his right hand. His trainer, Roach, will get him ready for JMM if their is even a 2nd match. Look at the win over Morales the 2nd time, the HBO commentators said that EM can't stop the left of Manny and MP is landing good shots with his right.

If u read on one of the past issues of Ring mag or KO mag, on the interview of EM, he said that JMM is a scared fighter. I will find the mag and post his comment about JMM later.

Yes, Pacman has a chance of beating JMM. Pacman, even though he still prefers the left punch, has improved on his right hand. His trainer, Roach, will get him ready for JMM if their is even a 2nd match. Look at the win over Morales the 2nd time, the HBO commentators said that EM can't stop the left of Manny and MP is landing good shots with his right.

If u read on one of the past issues of Ring mag or KO mag, on the interview of EM, he said that JMM is a scared fighter. I will find the mag and post his comment about JMM later.

JMM's management has been constantly making errors on judgment abt. JMM's career moves. he's guaranteed a US$750k to fight pac on a rematch and he didn't like it and backed out. now he settled in for a so-so amt of money to fight cris john. what reason aside from avoiding (pac) would be more logical?

if pacman lands power shots early yeah i see him beatting him. jmm is the better boxer tho so if he doesnt go down he can win the fight. just gots to box

if pacman lands power shots early yeah i see him beatting him. jmm is the better boxer tho so if he doesnt go down he can win the fight. just gots to box

Marquez will win 1 round maximum if he fights Manny. Barrera didnt win any if it wasn't fo a slip called mistake a KD in the 1st round :cool:

Marquez will win 1 round maximum if he fights Manny. Barrera didnt win any if it wasn't fo a slip called mistake a KD in the 1st round :cool:
he won enough rounds in the first fight for a draw.

he won enough rounds in the first fight for a draw.

that Pac peformance could possibly be his worst (aside from the 1st round). Pac was so predictable that night throwin just one punch. Barrera WHO HE WHOMPED coulda beaten that same Pac that fough Marquez. A 100% Pac will KO Marquez.

I just watched this fight again today and I am AMAZED that anyone could have scored it for Marquez. You have to be a ****ing moron or a complete hater of Pacquiao to **** this fight up. Pacquiao clearly won rounds 1, 2, 7, 9, and 10. Those are 5 undebatable rounds, and in the first round, he gets an extra 3 points for knockdowns. That's a Pacquiao victory at 113-112 in the closest possible outcome for Marquez. One of those judges had the nerve to score 10 ****ING ROUNDS FOR MARQUEZ. Give me a ****ing break. That judge needs to be shot in the head right now. Then the other idiot scores the first round 10-7!?! HOW CAN YOU **** UP A FIGHT LIKE THIS?! I scored rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 for Pacquiao for a 115-110 victory with round 8 being the closest round of the fight (although Pacquiao lands his straight left about 3 times and actually beats Marquez on the punch stat numbers I believe). This was a highway robbery and an embarrassment to the sport. Guess we all know Marquez knew he got a gift since IMMEDIATELY after the fight he said he didn't want a rematch. ****ing phoney.

** Of course Manny would KO him early. Why do you think Manny is making big money and Marquez is fighting John for peanuts for his stripped title. The guy has blown close to 2 million bucks fighting for peanuts. Maybe he can call out Johnny Tapia next!

If JMM loses to Pacquiao by KO (which he will) like the great fighters before him will also be called washed up. I rather not see this fight, Pacquiao will not get credit.

Like I said before, this is what I think Pac needs to do to win against JMM:

(1) First, Manny has to be there 100% he cannot afford to fight a conditioning freak like jmm. jmm wears and tears his opponent and then go for the kill. a 100% pac has already won 50% of the game imho. This means no more late-night pools for Manny and no more endorsements and filming for the mean time. He has to start training and hook up with Freddie as soon as the holidays are over.

(2) Manny has to be aggressive, but it has to be a controlled agression. jmm is the best counter-ppuncher out there and he will surely capitalize on every mistake that manny makes, even on the smallest one. manny has to take the fight to jmm. jmm is ineffective when he is backing up so as most of the fighters today.

(3) Manny should have a good defense. no more of those wild punches that leave him open for jmm's counter. he has to watch for jmm's uppercuts. he has to realize that jmm's hands are also quick and one mistake will turn the tide against him. a good footwork and balance are necessary to maintain his fighting form and his feet should be tucked firmly to the canvass.

(4) Manny must have a solid plan. i envision the rematch to be a more technical game starting from the pre-fight skirmishes with carefully crafted words to send the right message to each other. the ability to get into an opponent's head to deminish his confidence, confuse, bluff or make him think otherwise has been a trademark of a superior fighter or warrior. team pac must learn how to deal with these tactics and antics and try to counter anything that comes their way. nacho had done an excellent job of doing this before the pac-jmm fight. team pac should do the same. In their first meeting during the fight, team pac did a lousy job of looking for an early knockdown thinking that jmm was ready to go down after the 3 kd;s in the first round. they figured wrong because jmm stood and fight and almost took the game away from the pacman. team pac should sit down and plan the best course of action. they have all the knowledge to devise the right plan due to the fact that jmm is a pure counter-puncher. he won't change the style that earned him his two belts. to add to that, you just can't teach an old dog new tricks and expect him to be effective. i'm not saying that team pac will make this as the one and only assumption. for one thing, assumption is the mother of all ****u-ups (as they say in i.t.) and any unfounded or unverified assumption is guaranteed to make you fail. team pac has to bring a plan that is realistic and dynamic enough to make room for changes if the situation warrants it. they have to map and simulate all courses of action and practice them as if they are going to happen. if they can do this, they will surely win without any doubt.

(5) Team Pac must capitalize on Manny's strenghts i.e. speed, power, and must always find the opportunity to impose these on Marquez. They have to send the message early in the fight that Manny means business and there is no way Manny is going to make the same mistake again of letting JMM take the fight away from him. They also need to exploit JMM's weaknesses (i.e. ducking when throwing a right cross, inability to start any contact). Manny needs to fake some shots, move from different angles, and use his speed to make JMM confused. Manny has to come in and let go of his lethal weapons just like what he did when he kd'd JMM the first time. Needless to say, team Pac should narrow the gap between his stregths and weaknesses. I know Roach has developed newer weapons in his arsenal as Manny showed in his TKO win agains Erik last week. That was excellent but they still need to make MAnny more comfortable in using them more often and possibly polish them more. One key thing here is not get Manny confused during the fight and hesitate for a minute because JMM has a sense of a snake and I guarantee Pacman, JMM will devour him any opportunity he gets. This means, more training for Pacs when and how to use those new weapons.

(6) Last and foremost, no more of those cheap socks again! :D

Manny can beat JMM anytime. Marquez is a *****!!!!!

I just watched this fight again today and I am AMAZED that anyone could have scored it for Marquez. You have to be a ****ing moron or a complete hater of Pacquiao to **** this fight up. Pacquiao clearly won rounds 1, 2, 7, 9, and 10. Those are 5 undebatable rounds, and in the first round, he gets an extra 3 points for knockdowns. That's a Pacquiao victory at 113-112 in the closest possible outcome for Marquez. One of those judges had the nerve to score 10 ****ING ROUNDS FOR MARQUEZ. Give me a ****ing break. That judge needs to be shot in the head right now. Then the other idiot scores the first round 10-7!?! HOW CAN YOU **** UP A FIGHT LIKE THIS?! I scored rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 for Pacquiao for a 115-110 victory with round 8 being the closest round of the fight (although Pacquiao lands his straight left about 3 times and actually beats Marquez on the punch stat numbers I believe). This was a highway robbery and an embarrassment to the sport. Guess we all know Marquez knew he got a gift since IMMEDIATELY after the fight he said he didn't want a rematch. ****ing phoney.


excellent post. Hataz STFU!!!!!!

I'm waiting for a rematch. I'm sure Marquez will hit the canvass again... and will never get up this time!!!!!

Like I said before, this is what I think Pac needs to do to win against JMM:

(1) First, Manny has to be there 100% he cannot afford to fight a conditioning freak like jmm. jmm wears and tears his opponent and then go for the kill. a 100% pac has already won 50% of the game imho. This means no more late-night pools for Manny and no more endorsements and filming for the mean time. He has to start training and hook up with Freddie as soon as the holidays are over.

(2) Manny has to be aggressive, but it has to be a controlled agression. jmm is the best counter-ppuncher out there and he will surely capitalize on every mistake that manny makes, even on the smallest one. manny has to take the fight to jmm. jmm is ineffective when he is backing up so as most of the fighters today.

(3) Manny should have a good defense. no more of those wild punches that leave him open for jmm's counter. he has to watch for jmm's uppercuts. he has to realize that jmm's hands are also quick and one mistake will turn the tide against him. a good footwork and balance are necessary to maintain his fighting form and his feet should be tucked firmly to the canvass.

(4) Manny must have a solid plan. i envision the rematch to be a more technical game starting from the pre-fight skirmishes with carefully crafted words to send the right message to each other. the ability to get into an opponent's head to deminish his confidence, confuse, bluff or make him think otherwise has been a trademark of a superior fighter or warrior. team pac must learn how to deal with these tactics and antics and try to counter anything that comes their way. nacho had done an excellent job of doing this before the pac-jmm fight. team pac should do the same. In their first meeting during the fight, team pac did a lousy job of looking for an early knockdown thinking that jmm was ready to go down after the 3 kd;s in the first round. they figured wrong because jmm stood and fight and almost took the game away from the pacman. team pac should sit down and plan the best course of action. they have all the knowledge to devise the right plan due to the fact that jmm is a pure counter-puncher. he won't change the style that earned him his two belts. to add to that, you just can't teach an old dog new tricks and expect him to be effective. i'm not saying that team pac will make this as the one and only assumption. for one thing, assumption is the mother of all ****u-ups (as they say in i.t.) and any unfounded or unverified assumption is guaranteed to make you fail. team pac has to bring a plan that is realistic and dynamic enough to make room for changes if the situation warrants it. they have to map and simulate all courses of action and practice them as if they are going to happen. if they can do this, they will surely win without any doubt.

(5) Team Pac must capitalize on Manny's strenghts i.e. speed, power, and must always find the opportunity to impose these on Marquez. They have to send the message early in the fight that Manny means business and there is no way Manny is going to make the same mistake again of letting JMM take the fight away from him. They also need to exploit JMM's weaknesses (i.e. ducking when throwing a right cross, inability to start any contact). Manny needs to fake some shots, move from different angles, and use his speed to make JMM confused. Manny has to come in and let go of his lethal weapons just like what he did when he kd'd JMM the first time. Needless to say, team Pac should narrow the gap between his stregths and weaknesses. I know Roach has developed newer weapons in his arsenal as Manny showed in his TKO win agains Erik last week. That was excellent but they still need to make MAnny more comfortable in using them more often and possibly polish them more. One key thing here is not get Manny confused during the fight and hesitate for a minute because JMM has a sense of a snake and I guarantee Pacman, JMM will devour him any opportunity he gets. This means, more training for Pacs when and how to use those new weapons.

(6) Last and foremost, no more of those cheap socks again! :D

No. 7. NO more movies this time. ok lang siguro yung paggawa ng cd dahil magrerecord ka lang naman dun at di magpupuyat. yung movies, magpupuyat ka dun eh. at isa pa nakakatuwa naman yung "para sa yo" maganda naman ang lyrics.

No. 7. NO more movies this time. ok lang siguro yung paggawa ng cd dahil magrerecord ka lang naman dun at di magpupuyat. yung movies, magpupuyat ka dun eh. at isa pa nakakatuwa naman yung "para sa yo" maganda naman ang lyrics.

ha-ha (lol)! have you heard that some producers in the philippines are planning to make a movie about manny's life. is manny going to star as well. i hope not. manny's presence is a sure box-office hit, but i think he should stick to boxing (and singing). ;) besides, he's a millionaire now. but i dunno, the problem with money is -- in the beginning you would think if you made the first million it is enough. but after you've reached it, it makes you want to have more (if ya kno wut i mean). :D

i hope greed don't consume our hero.

ha-ha (lol)! have you heard that some producers in the philippines are planning to make a movie about manny's life. is manny going to star as well. i hope not. manny's presence is a sure box-office hit, but i think he should stick to boxing (and singing). ;) besides, he's a millionaire now. but i dunno, the problem with money is -- in the beginning you would think if you made the first million it is enough. but after you've reached it, it makes you want to have more (if ya kno wut i mean). :D

i hope greed don't consume our hero.
thats koo your whole country supporting pacman thats koo. mexican who like mab hate eric and visa-versa. a movie already ya dont waste time

JMM is a good tune up for PACMAN in manila before he will spunk MAB.

im reviving this thread wishing that pac-jmm rematch would happen next year.

my thoughts still stand, jmm still is a hard fight for pacquiao. do the posters here still feel the same way the last time they posted on this thread?

In one word: no. JMM dominated the fight after the second round. Pac has the ability to catch you off guard with his speed and power but once a fighter gets used to it, as JMM did, then he has no surprises left in his bag of tricks. JMM by UD.

How can you dominate with weak punches? Pac's punch = 10 JMM punches, you should try to distinguish between pitter-pat and power punches man.

I just watched this fight again today and I am AMAZED that anyone could have scored it for Marquez. You have to be a ****ing moron or a complete hater of Pacquiao to **** this fight up. Pacquiao clearly won rounds 1, 2, 7, 9, and 10. Those are 5 undebatable rounds, and in the first round, he gets an extra 3 points for knockdowns. That's a Pacquiao victory at 113-112 in the closest possible outcome for Marquez. One of those judges had the nerve to score 10 ****ING ROUNDS FOR MARQUEZ. Give me a ****ing break. That judge needs to be shot in the head right now. Then the other idiot scores the first round 10-7!?! HOW CAN YOU **** UP A FIGHT LIKE THIS?! I scored rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 for Pacquiao for a 115-110 victory with round 8 being the closest round of the fight (although Pacquiao lands his straight left about 3 times and actually beats Marquez on the punch stat numbers I believe). This was a highway robbery and an embarrassment to the sport. Guess we all know Marquez knew he got a gift since IMMEDIATELY after the fight he said he didn't want a rematch. ****ing phoney.

Great post. Man, your message comes like a candle in the sea of darkness, illuminating places that hatred and bigotry have darkened.

after jmm-mab and pac-mab 2 ...

after those two fights, pac-jmm 2, for me is looking a lot better, they should finally settle the score...

double or nothing!!