what a bunch of pathetic bastards, it makes me sick to think that as the girl pleaded for them to stop beating her boyfriend, they turned on her.. jumping on her head until she was dead..i honestly hope they get destroyed in prison

The parents are just unbelievable.. one of the mothers was chuckling when the police were interviewing her son for the murder..hopefully the fact that her son will get life will lead her to suicide..

"some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum of the street"

"some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum of the street"

i really hope so.. what some people can do is just shocking

Yeah some sick cunts in the world.

Lets hope that one day the kid will share a cell with a 6'6 300lb goth.

Scum, we dont need them or want them.

I am a firm believer in zero tolerance for these sort of crimes and minor or not I would be locking them up for at least 25 years.

Harsh sentences IMO is the only deterrent, I even like the American 'three strikes and your out' approach. I know of a kid (18) who has over 200 convictions against him ranging from D&D to GBH and has never served a day in prison.

Scum, we dont need them or want them.

I am a firm believer in zero tolerance for these sort of crimes and minor or not I would be locking them up for at least 25 years.

Harsh sentences IMO is the only deterrent, I even like the American 'three strikes and your out' approach. I know of a kid (18) who has over 200 convictions against him ranging from D&D to GBH and has never served a day in prison.

Yep thats gotta be the approach

im all in favour (for when there is absolutely no doubt) that the death penalty is brought back.

I was reading about this on BBC news and its a disgrace. These kids should serve at least 25 years like mickey says, but if it was up to me they'd be hanging

im all in favour (for when there is absolutely no doubt) that the death penalty is brought back.

I was reading about this on BBC news and its a disgrace. These kids should serve at least 25 years like mickey says, but if it was up to me they'd be hanging

Right on.

We've gone too soft in this country.

I don't think we can reintroduce the death penalty per se, what we could do is send them to war zones put them on the front line and use them as cannon fodder at least make their lives a little useful without the hastle of dealing with the moral issues associated with the death penalty.

Girls will be sterilised and lobotomised and placed into gulags, where they will build roads, canals and be experimented on for the greater good.

I don't think we can reintroduce the death penalty per se, what we could do is send them to war zones put them on the front line and use them as cannon fodder at least make their lives a little useful without the hastle of dealing with the moral issues associated with the death penalty.

Girls will be sterilised and lobotomised and placed into gulags, where they will build roads, canals and be experimented on for the greater good.
not bad ideas, but i disagree with not bringing back the death penalty due to moral issues. With crimes like this all morality is thrown out of the window. They are not entitled to any respect and morality of any kind imo, they waived that right when they killed an innocent girl in the most brutal of ways

Scum, we dont need them or want them.

I am a firm believer in zero tolerance for these sort of crimes and minor or not I would be locking them up for at least 25 years.

Harsh sentences IMO is the only deterrent, I even like the American 'three strikes and your out' approach. I know of a kid (18) who has over 200 convictions against him ranging from D&D to GBH and has never served a day in prison.

Dungeons and Dragons?? LOL.


Anyway, agreed - I think some people get away wit these things far to easily. I know if tonight, i went out and clobbered someone into a hospital bed - i can guarentee prison.

What if the unemployed smackhead who lives down my street did it?! Community service?

It's the same situation with benefits- where drug addicts who claim disability through there addiction get all sorts of perks - fitted kitchens, new carpets - **** it - money just thrown at them! Whilst pensioners get sweet F.A.

not bad ideas, but i disagree with not bringing back the death penalty due to moral issues. With crimes like this all morality is thrown out of the window. They are not entitled to any respect and morality of any kind imo, they waived that right when they killed an innocent girl in the most brutal of ways

Yeah but its not entirely their fault I know what your saying but when your brought up by and associate with scum its going to affect the way you live your life, harsher sentences for petty crimes and maybe bringing back national service would do the world of good imo.

They should get rid of ASBO's too there used as a way out of actually getting to the root of the problem and sorting it out, A nice friendly beating by the police now and again would keep some kids out of trouble.

Agreed they should tell them 20 years in prison or in the army. Most would choose the army teahc them discipline get them a real job and would rehaibiltate them well as they would take no ****.

kill them all! let God sort em out!

what a bunch of pathetic bastards, it makes me sick to think that as the girl pleaded for them to stop beating her boyfriend, they turned on her.. jumping on her head until she was dead..i honestly hope they get destroyed in prison

The parents are just unbelievable.. one of the mothers was chuckling when the police were interviewing her son for the murder..hopefully the fact that her son will get life will lead her to suicide..
They should be brutally raped in prison everyday for the next 50 years then publicly hanged.

A close friend of mine was on a night out, and these dickheads were taking the piss out of him and his girlfriend so he told them to "grow up and get a life". In retaliation, he had his head kicked in and died from his injuries in hospital. The people who did it? 5 years.........

This country is a ****ing disgrace.

A close friend of mine was on a night out, and these dickheads were taking the piss out of him and his girlfriend so he told them to "grow up and get a life". In retaliation, he had his head kicked in and died from his injuries in hospital. The people who did it? 5 years.........

This country is a ****ing disgrace.

You see that sums it up. Murder is murder, if you are kicking someone in the head then you could expect them to die therefore its murder and should be automatic life with no parole.

Its simple and I'm not sure why the government looks at it in such a complicated way. Forget overcrowding prisons, squeeze them in I say, it makes the time harder and it makes them less want to re-offend. **** human rights, their rights become null and void when they commit the act.

I'm absolutely certain that crime would drop if the criminals know that they will definately have to serve a set and lengthy sentence.

This country has been on a slippery slope for a long time. Immigration, a ****ty justice system and the ****ing liberals are making us the laughing stock of the world.

Lets emmigrate

You can get killed for anything these days it's ridiculous.. Just today some kid got stabbed for 'looking at someone', how petty is that?

I also think parents have a say in this too. Some parents out there are too lenient towards their kids and do not apply enough disipline as they grow up, without disipline or setting them straight they'll start to do what they want and before it's too late parents will lose all control.

Personally, I wish death upon their lives.

When i'm older and have enough money i'm seriously thinking of emmigrating, this country is a joke.

mickey you have the exact same attitude as me mate. Once you commit such terrible crimes you waive any human rights, morality and respect towards yourself in the future. **** this nanny state that we have now. Look at our youth, in 20/30 years this country is screwed

Scum like this really do knock me sick, it actually stresses me out when i see little cunts like them walking the streets thinking they own the place.

Then you get old people being sent to prison for council tax and stuff like that. I think we should give them the choice, have your legs chopped off, or swing from a rope in public.

they should be forced to stay with Gary Glitter, Jonathan King,
Michael Barrymore and Chris Langham for 12 months.

Scum of the earth, should be sent down for life....

Scum, we dont need them or want them.

I am a firm believer in zero tolerance for these sort of crimes and minor or not I would be locking them up for at least 25 years.

Harsh sentences IMO is the only deterrent, I even like the American 'three strikes and your out' approach. I know of a kid (18) who has over 200 convictions against him ranging from D&D to GBH and has never served a day in prison.

How about zero tolerance in preventing the crimes too. There should be a lot more police out there in the streets. I'm not completely sure how extreme it should be, but it should be a damn site tougher than what it is.

This is a BBC article from way back in 1997:

Pioneered by the New York Police Department, the "zero tolerance" approach, or "positive policing" as some prefer to call it, is how the British Government is hoping to fulfil its promise to be "tough on crime".

Detective Superintendent Ray Mallon, who has been suspended as head of Middlesborough CID, has been the most colourful advocate of this strategy in Britain.

Last year he famously promised to quit if he failed to cut crime on his patch by 20% in 18 months - gaining him the nickname 'Robocop'.

Although 'zero tolerance' has wide political and popular support, it has far from universal support among other UK police forces.

It is also questionable as to whether it was this approach, or some other factor, which was responsible for the recent falls in crime in New York and elsewhere.

What is 'zero tolerance'?

The precise origins of term are obscure, but it has become associated with policing techniques used most famously in New York City and other parts of North America. It has been used in the UK in the King's Cross area of London, Hartlepool, Middlesborough and Strathclyde.

The strategy is based on the 'Broken Windows' theory - first developed by two American academics, George Kelling and James Wilson, in 1983. According to their theory, there is a link between disorder and crime - a view shared by Labour politicians. The thesis goes: visible signs of decay - litter, broken windows, graffiti, abandoned housing - signals public disinterest. Fear of crime is greatest in these disorderly neighbourhoods which prompts 'respectable' community members to leave. This undermines the community's ability to maintain order and decline follows.

Reasoning that it is easier to prevent a neighbourhood's slide into crime at the beginning rather than trying to rescue it once the slide has taken hold, the theory demands that even the most minor misdemeanours must be pursued with the same vigour as more serious crimes to create a deterrent effect.

What are initial results of the strategy?

Figures for New York have been well trumpeted. Since 1993, major crime in that city has fallen by 39% and murder has fallen by 49%. In the UK, results have been similar. Det Super Mallon managed to deliver on his promise cut crime by a fifth in 18 months - figures for the three months to February 1997 showed a 22% fall.

Det Super Mallon also achieved these kinds of results in his previous job in Hartlepool where he oversaw a reduction in crime of 38% in 28 months.

In London, 81% of residents of King's Cross say they feel safer thanks to the Metropolitan Police's "Operation Zero Tolerance" which targeted petty crime around King's Cross station.

Criticisms of 'zero tolerance'

1. There are negative consequences of aggressive policing:

A 29-year-old man choked to death when a police officer in New York arrested him for participating in a game of street football. In the subsequent homicide trial of the arresting officer, the defence claimed the officer was "simply following orders to focus on quality of life crimes such as loitering". This prompted criticism that police had become too aggressive in handling petty offences.

2. There are other explanations for falling crime in New York:

Fewer people are taking violence-inducing crack cocaine and are instead turning to more soporific heroin.
Some claim that the fall is the happy by-product of demographic change. The peak ages for offending are the teenage years and the numbers of this group have fallen.
Many of the people who were responsible for perpetrating the majority of violent or other crimes in the 1980s and early 90s are now in prison.
New York hired 7,000 new police recruits to pursue 'zero tolerance' when it already had twice as many police per head as Britain.
3. Crime has also fallen in areas without 'zero tolerance' policing:
Crime has fallen significantly in areas where different policing methods have been used. In San Diego, since 1993 murders have fallen by 41%, robberies by 36% and burglaries and vehicle-related crime by over 40%.

These results followed the building of partnerships between police and the public. Emphasis being placed on resolving problems long-term, working with other agencies and organisations, galvanising people to join in residents' associations, setting up partnerships with the Housing Commission to evict problem residents and redesigning public areas to reduce crime.

4. The long-term effects are unknown:

'Zero tolerance' works well in densely populated areas with relatively high policing levels and large amounts of petty crime. However, where the population is more dispersed or the crime rate is already relatively low, it may have little effect.
In areas of high racial tension, the policy might leave locals feeling victimised.
The original proponents of the 'Broken Windows' theory argue that police must be sensitive to community and local experience.
5. There is too much emphasis on performance indicators:
Some police are critical of the way performance is judged by the number of crime reports taken, warrants executed, street searches carried out and arrests. They argue this discounts policing priorities established in consultation with local communities or how responsive officers were to crime victims. Charles Pollard, the Chief Constable of Thames Valley Police, is a vocal sceptic of the strategy. He argues that the fall in crime could be more apparent than real if police are tempted to manipulate statistics in the drive to meet targets.

6.'Zero Tolerance' is only one part of wider strategy:

Although falls in crime have been attributed to 'zero tolerance', other strategies have also played an important role. For example, some emphasise the role of 'Compstat' - new computer software which produces weekly crime statistics for small geographical areas. The figures are examined in detail at weekly meetings in which chiefs of department question colleagues on their investigations. Many say this has a galvanising effect on officers and produces more focused policing

first meaningful thread i've seen in here. its true it is a joke there is no excuse for what these cunts did i saw the pics 2day what cud ever make a man beat a woman into such a state

Same thing happened in Suderland not so long ago, I kid who was a bit slow was punched and kicked to death for a £5 bet, he though they were his friends, I didn't know him but I do know his family and they say he was a really nice kid, WTF is going on, sevral streets away from me a young mother still a teenager was stabbed and killed her child is not even a year old, the killer has yet to be sentanced.

Same thing happened in Suderland not so long ago, I kid who was a bit slow was punched and kicked to death for a £5 bet, he though they were his friends, I didn't know him but I do know his family and they say he was a really nice kid, WTF is going on, sevral streets away from me a young mother still a teenager was stabbed and killed her child is not even a year old, the killer has yet to be sentanced.

when i read stuff like that i get seriously stressed out.. its pathetic, people are just ****ed up :nonono:

There is very little that pushes my buttons but this does set me off.

Scum, we dont need them or want them.

I am a firm believer in zero tolerance for these sort of crimes and minor or not I would be locking them up for at least 25 years.

Harsh sentences IMO is the only deterrent, I even like the American 'three strikes and your out' approach. I know of a kid (18) who has over 200 convictions against him ranging from D&D to GBH and has never served a day in prison.

People like him are just a threat to society. You dont get over 200 convictions of DandD and GBH by chance/wrong place at the wrong time. When he ends up killing someone after battering them to death only then will the stupid ****ers learn that they should have banged him up long before that.

This whole thing that longer sentences deter criminals or somehow reduce crime is nonsense. Criminals don't commit a crime thinking, "ah well, I know I'll serve a year or two in prison but **** it, I'll do it anyway". They think they won't get caught. And those that say that long sentences mean there are less criminals on the street are also delusional. All it means is that they are even more institutionalised when they come out and less able to contribute to society than they were before. I have had friends that have come out of prison who were hard working people before they went in. When they came out they found themselves unable to find work and are now on the dole. The burden to the tax payer just increases, with us having to pay for more prison places, more prisons, more food etc for the prisoners and then more benefits for them when they come out. And if anyone says that means we should stop giving benefits to people that have been inside, what do you think that would do? Do you think that maybe they would then make money through crime? Possibly.

As for this particular case, it is disgusting and tragic. The people responsible deserve a harsh sentence as punishment, just don't think that harsh sentences will stop someone else committing exactly the same crime.

I would like to know how when somebody stabs someone and the victim survives, the attacker gets charged with wounding with intend, but if the person they stab dies they get charged with murder, how come they never get charged with attempted murder when the victim makes a recovery.
If you stick a knife in somebody you intend to kill them.

Yeah some sick cunts in the world.

Lets hope that one day the kid will share a cell with a 6'6 300lb goth.

a 300 lb goth with the worst case of genital herpes u've ever seen

You can get killed for anything these days it's ridiculous.. Just today some kid got stabbed for 'looking at someone', how petty is that?

I also think parents have a say in this too. Some parents out there are too lenient towards their kids and do not apply enough disipline as they grow up, without disipline or setting them straight they'll start to do what they want and before it's too late parents will lose all control.

Personally, I wish death upon their lives.

When i'm older and have enough money i'm seriously thinking of emmigrating, this country is a joke.

this **** doesn't happen because of laws or no laws, it happens because todays kids know they can get away with anything. kids stopped respecting their parents long ago, i think the world is like this, where i live in canada there is alot of violence - kid gangs of chavs going out and ****ing up old people or 1 kid out by himself. when it gets really bad, they'll just start killing each other off

Life is life you take a life and its been proven you should automatically lose the right to live, You have taken away someones right to live you don't deserve to live and should be put to death. Imo even 20 years in prison is not life if your 17 you come out 20 years latter and can live a normal life, I think if there is no death penalty a life sentence should be around 75 years.

Life is life you take a life and its been proven you should automatically lose the right to live, You have taken away someones right to live you don't deserve to live and should be put to death. Imo even 20 years in prison is not life if your 17 you come out 20 years latter and can live a normal life, I think if there is no death penalty a life sentence should be around 75 years.

how is it been proven? I do agree with you just I don't know how its been proven.

They are ****ing scummy chav yobs they deserve to be hung drawn and quartered for what they did.

I dont like the way goths dress but they do not in any way deserve to go through what that poor girl went through. Its a ****ing disgrace.

Squirrel will get dem.

how is it been proven? I do agree with you just I don't know how its been proven.

Sorry I meant if they can 100% prove someone was murdered they should hang some evidence is dodge and if you did it in self defence you should be able to get away with it.