View Full Version : Does destiny of British Boxing rest with Calzaghe?


Brunswick Assassin
03-26-2008, 12:05 AM
Does the fate of British Boxing boxing rest on Calzaghe's shoulders with Hopkins fight???? Hatton was considered by many as Mayweather's toughest fight to date. However, Mayweather dealt with Hatton with a TKO stoppage.

Since Lennox Lewis there's really been no standout British fighter that's taken the world by storm and gone over to US and kicked ass. If Calzaghe does lose how will British Boxing be viewed as a world Boxing force???

If Joe C loses to Hopkins it would be a major blow to British Boxing!

Clegg
03-26-2008, 01:27 AM
Yep, Joe C is our top fighter. If he loses to Hopkins then people will say that he was never that good, so winning is a massive deal from his point of view. At 36 he cannot recover from a loss and restore his reputation. JC is the only British fighter who is PPV top 10, so sure it's a big deal. It's also more important than the Hatton fight because Hatton was stepping out of his natural division to fight the PPV #1. Calzaghe however is the favourite and is fighting a man in his mid 40s.

I would say that our top 5 fighters are Calzaghe, Hatton, Witter, Haye and Woods. 3 of those are considered the best in their division, although Haye moving up would make that 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Haye is the only one on that list still fighting in 3 years time, so we need someone to come along and make an impression.

Maccarinelli is one of the best cruiserweights, but it's not a strong division. Khan hasn't fought at a high enough level yet to be considered a top fighter. Alex Arthur is a good boxer but he's in a tough division and it'll be a big upset if he beats Guzman.

I think Carl Froch is good, but super middleweight is turning into a very tough division (Taylor, Kessler, Bute, Miranda, RJJ) and so I'd be surprised if he establishes himself as the top dog there, especially as he's still not won a world title despite his age. He's maybe top 5, maybe not.

So in the short term I would say yes, but hopefully Kahn will fulfil his potential and win a world title around the time Calzaghe retires.

ATFsven
03-26-2008, 07:38 AM
dont forget Haye.
i expect him to knock the **** out of chageav and then drop some bombs on Klit.

duffgun
03-26-2008, 08:01 AM
If Haye wins a heavyweight title he will be bigger in the general public's view than Joe only because we love heavyweights.

dansapien
03-26-2008, 08:04 AM
for a start joe wont lose.

and also, british boxing is not just about Warrens big boys.

Theres a lot of promise from Haye, and when Joe vacates super middle it'll be interesting to see what happens with Froch, especially if he beats Inkin.

and as much as he's not my personal favourite, theres always amir. (if al quaeda dont blow him up)

kenny91
03-26-2008, 08:24 AM
overstatement!

Yes Joe is an incredible fighter but British Boxing destiny/fate/watever doesnt lie with him at all. Hatton is still fighting and his set sights on going to america again. And we've also got a promising prospect that goes by the name of David Haye who i think is gonna be our next Lennox Lewis or better. Amir Khan is also slowly gettin there.

There are a LOT of up n coming boxers that have so much potential its scary yet your going by mainstream names thinkin the the country rest on their shoulders.

i could write a never endless list of soon to be Hatton's, Calzaghe's, Eubanks or Lewis. or even someone who aint like anything we've seen yet.


BUT Calzaghe is our best at the moment and it is gonna be a big america-british clash and a good fight. Kudos to either fighter that wins. my british heart wants Calzaghe to win but i also admire Hopkins and i have a worryin feelings Hopkins is gonna win.

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03-26-2008, 10:56 AM
Does the fate of British Boxing boxing rest on Calzaghe's shoulders with Hopkins fight???? Hatton was considered by many as Mayweather's toughest fight to date. However, Mayweather dealt with Hatton with a TKO stoppage.

Since Lennox Lewis there's really been no standout British fighter that's taken the world by storm and gone over to US and kicked ass. If Calzaghe does lose how will British Boxing be viewed as a world Boxing force???

If Joe C loses to Hopkins it would be a major blow to British Boxing!

Hatton wasn't Mayweathers toughest opponent, Hatton was outclassed that night.

Mayweather just said that at the end of the fight to make him feel better, its sportsmanship.

Castillo and De La Hoya were much tougher fights for "Money May" lol

dansapien
03-26-2008, 07:38 PM
Hatton wasn't Mayweathers toughest opponent, Hatton was outclassed that night.



that clearly goes without saying, I'm surprised anyone would think that.

Brunswick Assassin
03-26-2008, 09:15 PM
Hatton wasn't Mayweathers toughest opponent, Hatton was outclassed that night.

Mayweather just said that at the end of the fight to make him feel better, its sportsmanship.

Castillo and De La Hoya were much tougher fights for "Money May" lol

Hatton was one of if not the best credentialed fighter to face Mayweather! Hatton was 43-0 and destroyed Castillo and Tszyu before facing Mayweather. A lot of Boxing fans gave Hatton every chance of beating Mayweather.

hardmanbrit
03-26-2008, 09:41 PM
If Haye wins a heavyweight title he will be bigger in the general public's view than Joe only because we love heavyweights.


He won't though.

Sadly.

hardmanbrit
03-26-2008, 09:43 PM
Hatton was one of if not the best credentialed fighter to face Mayweather! Hatton was 43-0 and destroyed Castillo and Tszyu before facing Mayweather. A lot of Boxing fans gave Hatton every chance of beating Mayweather.

Ricky Hatton is a terrific fighter.

There can be no doubt about that.

However, he is not in Joe's class.

sparked_85
03-26-2008, 10:23 PM
Quite simply yes, it does.

Obviously we have a lot of good fighters.

But Joe is our 'great' fighter.

CardioMonster
03-27-2008, 04:38 PM
british boxing runs a lot deeper than top level guys like calzaghe and haye

the grass roots gyms are british boxing, the tradition of men fighting with or without gloves in gyms, in car parks

british boxing doesnt rest on those guys!

britboxer1994
03-29-2008, 11:03 AM
no he is a great boxer but destiny of british boxing is huge at the moment they have lots of great upcoming talents and i expect britain will become the most dominant boxing country.
think bout it they have hatton who will fight mayweather in england again soon most probably and will beat him david haye will dominant any heavyweight carl froch will take over as undiputed super middleweight champion when calzahe retires amir khan will dominate light weltweight when hatton retires and kevin mitchell will dominate super featherweight britain has greater prospects than i have ever seen in boxing i am a huge fan of british boxing style also clinton woods is class alex arthur roman greenberg the list goes on

kayjay
03-29-2008, 11:06 AM
It would be a slight kick in the face to British boxing, but I wouldn't take it that seriously. Joe is old and you have younger fighters who are at or near the top of their divisions:

Witter, Haye, Hatton, and to a lesser extent Lockett, Macca, Rees, etc. Their performances will speak for themselves.


At the same time, if Joe looks terrific against Hopkins, as I expect, it does nothing for any of those other guys. They still need to make their own names.


So don't look at this as a national issue. It's two men in the ring. You're not there with them

Clegg
03-29-2008, 11:34 AM
I know what you mean kayjay, but in terms of having a UK fighter who has gone over and beaten the best Americans...that hasn't been one since Hamed had his brief period of dominance. Fair enough, Hatton lost to the best, but two high profile defeats by Brits in the US would be pretty damaging.

If he wins then people will say that he has been underrated for all these years. If he loses then it looks like he was ducking big fights and wasn't ever that good.

Not many people make generalizations about Mexican boxing because of one of their fighters losing. Ditto for Puerto Rico. But they might do about the UK if Calzaghe isn't successful.

CardioMonster
03-29-2008, 01:39 PM
If Hopkins wins it will be more damaging to US boxing. Because to win he will have fixed the judges, butted and fouled the entire fight.

Danster0507
03-29-2008, 01:57 PM
In the short term yes because he's our best fighter atm. BUT Haye is going to HW and will make plenty of noise there, Hatton will carry on as the best LWW in the world, there is also the likes of Khan and not forgetting the team of amateurs going to Beijing.

msagrain
03-29-2008, 02:17 PM
Within the next 6 years there are going to be some really good fighters coming throught, so no it does not rest on joe and anyway joe has only got 2 more fights left after the b-jop fight.

hardmanbrit
03-29-2008, 07:05 PM
I know what you mean kayjay, but in terms of having a UK fighter who has gone over and beaten the best Americans...that hasn't been one since Hamed had his brief period of dominance. Fair enough, Hatton lost to the best, but two high profile defeats by Brits in the US would be pretty damaging.

If he wins then people will say that he has been underrated for all these years. If he loses then it looks like he was ducking big fights and wasn't ever that good.

Not many people make generalizations about Mexican boxing because of one of their fighters losing. Ditto for Puerto Rico. But they might do about the UK if Calzaghe isn't successful.

Good post.

PunchDrunk
03-29-2008, 07:50 PM
If you look at the amount of talent in British amateur boxing right now, I think you could be heading for a new golden age in 5-10 years time. British, especially English boxing hasn't been this strong for as long as I can remember. Funny thing is, Amir Khan's silver medal is a big reason why the ABA has such massive funding now, which in turn is the main reason it's going so well. It takes a lot of money to develop talent nowadays, and England's spending a lot of it on just that. The results should spill over into the pro's in a few years. :)

BenL
03-30-2008, 03:49 PM
dont forget Haye.
i expect him to knock the **** out of chageav and then drop some bombs on Klit.

Exactly. Haye is the future of British and world heavyweight boxing. Calzaghe will lose to Hopkins anyway.

jreckoning
03-30-2008, 11:51 PM
I was at the amateur championships and two British guys did great.
Joe Murray and Frankie Gavin fought really well, so it's not like Biritsh boxing is dead or dying.

Brunswick Assassin
03-31-2008, 06:03 PM
Lennox Lewis has been the only British fighter to have gone to the US and dominated, we'll see how Joe C does against B-Hop. Haye v Klitcko or Peter would be good fights.

It would be awesome watching these guys go at it like the bare-knuckle British fighters from the 1600s!