Lewis has the power and size
Frazier has the pressure and wicked left hook

Can Lewis's stamina and chin hold out?
Would Frazier be able to handle a giant uppercut?

Lewis has the power and size
Frazier has the pressure and wicked left hook

Can Lewis's stamina and chin hold out?
Would Frazier be able to handle a giant uppercut?

It depends on which Lewis we are talking about. I don't see anyone beating Lewis after he got with Manny as long as he took the fight seriously.

If Joe Frazier thought Foreman was big and hit hard Lewis would be a whole different ball game. To top it off Lewis' uppercut is devastating.

Lewis TKO 3 after dropping Frazier a few times

It depends on which Lewis we are talking about. I don't see anyone beating Lewis after he got with Manny as long as he took the fight seriously.

You know...I like the way you think.

lewis is no george foreman, and that is the only fighter to dominate frazier and i believe the only one ever who would have dominated him like that, frazier would have kayoed lewis early, lennox didnt have the heart to take the firestorm that was frazier

you're crazy lewis couldnt punch anywhere near as hard as foreman, prime foreman kayos lewis in the first, no bull****, lewis didnt have the chin for big george, frazier would have beaten lewis's fat midsection there by lowering his head and allowing frazier to starch him with a left hook, game over

Frazier ko in 5 rounds tops. Frazier didnt have too many problems gettin through Ali's jabs so I know Lewis's jabs definately wouldnt be a problem for Frazier. Soon as Frazier gets inside and lands the left it would be a wrap. Lewis has a weak chin and a slower jab than Ali and he just doesnt have the skills to beat Frazier.

Also, Lewis never faced a swarmer like Frazier. Lewis in his prime isn't enough of a mover to avoid eating that big left hand

exactly, ali never got kayoed in his prime by two pretenders like mccall and rahman, and frazier took all the goat had, so he would slaughter the "*******t specialist"

*rolleyes*

bad style match up

This Is A Great Matchup In Terms Of Style!

I think Frazier can eat everything Lewis lays on him. Frazier finally drops Lenny in the 7th when that left hook finds home and finishes it in 8 by way of TKO.

Lewis has more tools than Foreman but the young pre-Ali Foreman was a monster.

This Is A Great Matchup In Terms Of Style!


Bad match up for Frazier is what I ment. The shorter man trying to work his way in on a man who would be much much bigger and stronger

Bad match up for Frazier is what I ment. The shorter man trying to work his way in on a man who would be much much bigger and stronger
Yea true, i was just being a dick

You know...I like the way you think.

Glad to see that we agree on something for once.

My head says Lewis. He's got the height and reach advantage. I could see Lewis keeping Frazier at the end of his jab at landing his uppercut to a victory. But my gut (and heart) says Frazier gets inside after getting rocked in the early rounds, and starts landing his left hook and Lewis succombs to the body attack.

Lewis never faced a body puncher or fighter with NEAR the work-rate of Frazier. A tiring Lewis gets TKO'd by the 7th . . . .

Smokin Joe was a wonderful fighter to be sure, but to say he would definately beat Lewis is hard to imagine for me.

Sure he beat Ali, but Ali was only 225 lbs in his prime. Big George cleaned Fraziers' clock while weighing in at the 250 - 260lb. range.

While Lewis never had Foreman power, he did have Foremans' reach and weight behind the punches, he also had at least as much stamina as Big George had.

Just a little something to think about....

Lewis has the power and size
Frazier has the pressure and wicked left hook

Can Lewis's stamina and chin hold out?
Would Frazier be able to handle a giant uppercut?


The result will be similar to Foreman's destruction of Frazier ;)

I just think Foremans big sweeping blows were made for Joes bobbing style. Joe might have more success with Mr Caution Lewis, especially if he nailed him with a left hook.

I love Joe Frazier.

But, I think he'd get blasted by Lewis.

Joe would really struggle to reach Lewis....& I see Lennox catching Joe with some nasty right uppercuts & crosses.

Lewis absolutely possessed the power to KO Frazier.


It hurts me to say this, because Joe's a fave & I've never liked Lewis. But, gotta be realistic.

REAL BOXING FANS...know that with lennox's power size and smartness he was the most dominate heavyweight of all time...i know he didnt look flashy like u guys like to see in order for U to call somebody great...frazier dosent pose a threat to lennox..hed eat jabs and rights all night

I think it's to many here that overrate Lewis, saying thinks like Lewis KO Ali, and Frazier wouldn't be a threat to Lewis.

frazier would a be a threat to anyone in boxing history to say otherwise is ridiculous, however I do think Lewis would beat frazier.

Lewis would be WAY more cautious then Foreman was b/c once he felt Joe's power he'd go into his shell like he always did. He only got Golota out so fast once he realised Golota wasn't throwing any punches and Razor Ruddock had ZERO defense. Frazier's bobbing and weaving style would literally send Lewis into panic mode once he realised he's not facing a flat-footed, no movement weightlifter who throws 20 punches a round (the prototypical Lewis opponent)

Lewis would find a way to hold his head down and sock him knocking him out. Lewis is a cheater..

Lewis would find a way to hold his head down and sock him knocking him out. Lewis is a cheater..


Of course he's a cheater....he beat Mike Tyson.

Only cheaters, fixers, or Mike himself beat Mike, right dreamer ?

I'm talking about when he fought Michael Grant. He kind of held his head down while Grant was ducking and nailed him...But you were right about the Tyson thing. Only cheaters..

Is it really fair to compare Lewis at any stage in his career to the Foreman that Frazier faced? I mean, that pre-Ali Foreman and the young Tyson were probably the two scariest fighters ever.

Is it really fair to compare Lewis at any stage in his career to the Foreman that Frazier faced? I mean, that pre-Ali Foreman and the young Tyson were probably the two scariest fighters ever.

True, very true. I think however, there are posters here who do not remember just how mean and nasty Big George used to be.
Some of the posters are quite young, that much is obvious.

He used to scare reporters, sparring partners, even his own camp!You just never knew which Foreman you were going to get from one day to the next. I loved to watch the press dodge Big George, when he came near it was like watching the Red Sea part!!

As for Tyson - well, he is a time bomb period.

True, very true. I think however, there are posters here who do not remember just how mean and nasty Big George used to be.
Some of the posters are quite young, that much is obvious.

He used to scare reporters, sparring partners, even his own camp!You just never knew which Foreman you were going to get from one day to the next. I loved to watch the press dodge Big George, when he came near it was like watching the Red Sea part!!

As for Tyson - well, he is a time bomb period.


But, Joe Frazier was not afraid of Foreman going into their first fight.
The belief going in was that Frazier was gonna mop the floor with George.

I don't think Frazier was EVER scared of anyone, at least not on the outside, but don't think for a minute that when a boxer gets into the ring and looks up at a guy the size of Big George, that somewhere deep inside there isn't a voice that says "Damn this guy is a monster"...

I don't think Frazier was EVER scared of anyone, at least not on the outside, but don't think for a minute that when a boxer gets into the ring and looks up at a guy the size of Big George, that somewhere deep inside there isn't a voice that says "Damn this guy is a monster"...

Lewis is bigger than Foreman.

So, if Joe wasn't afraid of George until he got up & saw how big he was ....wouldn't he then also fear Lewis ?

Taller yes, BIGGER - no.

Foreman had much more power and a much bigger frame, with much more muscle than Lewis ever had. Big George would have beaten Lewis - to a pulp.

Now as to the question of Frazier's chances to have defeated Lewis, I could argue both sides until I am blue in the face, but my gut instinct tells me that if Lewis fought his style of fight he wins it.

Boxers don't fear other guys muscularity, Sound.
Muscles mean ****.



Was Foreman really that much more powerful a hitter than Lewis ?

George didn't KO many decent guys with one shot.
He was a super heavy-handed guy, who could hurt you with any punch.
But, if Lewis gets extension on his right hand, it's just as powerful as anything George could throw.

I think a prime focused Lennox would take Joe Frazier out of action. Lennox was exceptional when he was focused. Joe was strong but i think he would be a little too one dimensional for Lennox. Besides if they would have fought Lennox would not have underestimated him at all. Lennox always fought his biggest fights seriously. The times he lost he underestimated the guys and thats how he was beat. You saw what a prime focused Lennox did to Rahman in the rematch just like you would have seen what a prime Lennox would have done to Vitali in a rematch. He was a modern great and worthy enough to trade blows with any heavyweight of any era.

So Jabs, do you think Frazier beats Lewis?

I think if Frazier fought Lewis it would mirror Frazier vs Foreman - but it would take Lewis longer to get it done, he was more of a cautious fighter. And that is only if he fought HIS style of fight, if Frazier dictates the fight, his (Frazier)chances go up in my book.

So Jabs, do you think Frazier beats Lewis?

I think if Frazier fought Lewis it would mirror Frazier vs Foreman - but it would take Lewis longer to get it done, he was more of a cautious fighter. And that is only if he fought HIS style of fight, if Frazier dictates the fight, his chances go up in my book.


I think Lewis would defeat Frazier.
My opinion is that Frazier is every bit as good as Lewis, but that Lennox is just too big.

I can't see Frazier getting inside on Lewis without getting bombed.

This is unusual for me....as I almost always pick the guys from the past over the more current guys.

lewis inside 4 rounds easily!!

So we agree completely on the outcome of this one. Wonderful.

Now how about a Cruiserweighted Holyfield vs Marciano?!

So we agree completely on the outcome of this one. Wonderful.

Now how about a Cruiserweighted Holyfield vs Marciano?!


Why would Holyfield have to be at cruiserweight ?

Whatever....Holyfield wins in a war, by decision.

Why would Holyfield have to be at cruiserweight ?

Whatever....Holyfield wins in a war, by decision.

I just started a thread on it, yes Holyfield at Cruiser, since really that is what Marciano would really be in this day and age. I'm looking forward to seeing what these guys think! - Thanks Jab!

i think lewis might drop fraizer early .. but fraizer would just keep comin no way lewis would beat him..lewis is too soft to beat a man that hard.. foreman beat him cuz foreman was crazy and coul punch with both hands

Frasier-Lewis might look alot like Tua-Lewis.

But, it really depends on which Lewis showed-up for the fight. Frasier would always show-up, but we all know there was at least two versions of Lennox. If the Lewis with the soft paw jab was trying to set-up the one big right hand, Frasier would have the same chance as Rahman and McCall. If the Lewis that met Evander twice showed-up, Frasier wouldn't get near Lewis' chin.

"Jose" said it all, well almost. Lewis inside 4. Simply put, it's the good big man (actually giant) versus the good little man (actually dwarf against Lewis). Frasier was known to leap with his left, which would be his only hope on Lewis, and he'd need a launching pad to get Lewis's chin.

Taller yes, BIGGER - no.

Foreman had much more power and a much bigger frame, with much more muscle than Lewis ever had. Big George would have beaten Lewis - to a pulp.

Now as to the question of Frazier's chances to have defeated Lewis, I could argue both sides until I am blue in the face, but my gut instinct tells me that if Lewis fought his style of fight he wins it.

Wrong Lewis was much much bigger than Foreman, bot only taller but alot stronger aswell.

Taking both fighters in there primes. 1st Frazier fight for Foreman, 1st Holyfield fight for Lewis

Foreman
Height- 6'3
Weight- 217lbs

Lewis
Height- 6'5
Weight- 242lbs

By comparision Chris Byrd who is a very small heavyweight by todays standards is 6'1, 215lbs. That gives you soem idea of how big Lennox Lewis actually is.

Lewis gets an unfair knock from the public that he is boring.

were these Lewis fights boring?
Rudock
Golota
Briggs
Mercer
Grant
Rahman 1
Rahman 2
Bruno
Botha
Vitali

The point is who would win against Lewis / Frazier. No way in hell Frazier wins. Lewis is too big for him. Also, lewis is faster and Lewis` problem was the right hand, not the left hook.
lewis in 2 rounds! Easy!!

[QUOTE=Soundtraveler
Sure he beat Ali, but Ali was only 225 lbs in his prime. Big George cleaned Fraziers' clock while weighing in at the 250 - 260lb. range.[/QUOTE]


Foreman only weighed about 220 when he fought Frazier, maybe a little less, I'm not sure.

Big George did clean Michael Moorer's clock in his comeback, though, when he did weigh between 250 and 260 lbs.

Frasier-Lewis might look alot like Tua-Lewis.

But, it really depends on which Lewis showed-up for the fight. Frasier would always show-up, but we all know there was at least two versions of Lennox. If the Lewis with the soft paw jab was trying to set-up the one big right hand, Frasier would have the same chance as Rahman and McCall. If the Lewis that met Evander twice showed-up, Frasier wouldn't get near Lewis' chin.

"Jose" said it all, well almost. Lewis inside 4. Simply put, it's the good big man (actually giant) versus the good little man (actually dwarf against Lewis). Frasier was known to leap with his left, which would be his only hope on Lewis, and he'd need a launching pad to get Lewis's chin.


I'm a huge frazier fan, but you might be right. Although I think Frazier would have a good chance to make it look like Oliver McCall vs Lewis.

Lewis would find a way to hold his head down and sock him knocking him out. Lewis is a cheater..

Yeah, like when he had Grant beat, but he couldn't wait, and do it the right way. I don't care who he beat, he's dirty and that's that.

Wrong Lewis was much much bigger than Foreman, bot only taller but alot stronger aswell.

Taking both fighters in there primes. 1st Frazier fight for Foreman, 1st Holyfield fight for Lewis

Foreman
Height- 6'3
Weight- 217lbs

Lewis
Height- 6'5
Weight- 242lbs

By comparision Chris Byrd who is a very small heavyweight by todays standards is 6'1, 215lbs. That gives you soem idea of how big Lennox Lewis actually is.

Lewis gets an unfair knock from the public that he is boring.

were these Lewis fights boring?
Rudock
Golota
Briggs
Mercer
Grant
Rahman 1
Rahman 2
Bruno
Botha
Vitali



Lewis has a much bigger waistline than George, and that, coupled with the slight height advantage is where the weight comes from, as well as the fact that Lewis NEVER looked as cut as a prime Foreman, but there is no way you can say his arms, shoulders, and chest are bigger than George's. Lewis may have a strength advantage on the inside, where he can wrestle, because of being able to lean the extra weight on his opponent, maybe...and that would only be because George didn't wrestle, but I'll bet he doesn't push more weight than Foreman, and I'd bet my house he doesn't punch as hard as Foreman, let alone harder, and besides, Lewis' Uppercuts and hook/roundhouse punches are much slower than Georges' ever were at his best, and those are the only punches that would be effective against Frazier. I see a boring, bull**** fight taking place, where Lewis can't really hit Frazier with anything, but Frazier can't really do anything on the inside because Lewis leans his weight on Joe and ties him up. Who wins? Dunno.

And George was announced as 6'4 in some of his fights. watch Foreman vs. Ali, George is taller when they are recieving their instructions.

Frasier-Lewis might look alot like Tua-Lewis. Frasier was known to leap with his left, which would be his only hope on Lewis, and he'd need a launching pad to get Lewis's chin.


This a good point, and also a pet peeve of mine, why do people say that Frazier wouldn't have much of a chance to reach Lewis' chin (which I personally agree with) when he is the same height more or less as Toney, who according to some, is going to knock Vitali out, who is significantly taller than Lewis? Just cracks me up.

damn these guys sure do love lennox lewis some of the most absrud comments in this thread

I don't like that sonofa***** very much, in fact, not at all lol.

Hey Sturm, why is your bar red? Did the Lewis lovers hit you with bad K?

I think Frazier wins this fight. I couldn't see Frazier Losing to Hasim or McCall.

Hey Sturm, why is your bar red? Did the Lewis lovers hit you with bad K?


negative a little advise never ever hate on morales AND pac in the same thread lmao

I see Frazier working his way under the arms of Lewis as the fight goes on. His relentless style and lions heart would sooner or later help destroy his bigger foe. Lewis and Foreman can not be compared in my opinion. Foreman was a crude, raw power-puncher who just overwhelmed Frazier. Lewis would not be able to do that. He fought very differently from Foreman. He might take the early rounds against Frazier, but once Frazier starts smokin´ it is only a matter of time before he tires, hurts and knocks out Lewis.

Joe Frazier by late ko.