Andy Lee should have kept his hands up.

http://www.*********extra.com/cc/FIGHTS2008/03_leeESPN/images/vera004.jpg

Not the first image that comes to mind when thinking about a Kronk gym/Steward fighter.

Yeah, he did take a lot of flush shots, I think perhaps pride played a part. Vera was throwing a lot and maybe Lee wanted to throw back rather than get on his bike and jab his way out of trouble.

I'd never seen Vera before this, but he looked like a good fighter. If he works on his own weaknesses he might get somewhere in a year or two. Hard to believe he got KO'D in 2 rounds not that long ago.

I think the stoppage was premature and perhaps he would've gotten back to his corner, cleared his head and boxed his way to a points victory. Maybe not, but hopefully they'll have a rematch at some point in the future(2009/2010 or so).

hmmm it varies with fighters
some keep there left down low (haye, mayweather)
my guess is the pride thing

hmmm it varies with fighters
some keep there left down low (haye, mayweather)
my guess is the pride thing

Having your hands down -- not as down as in that pic, but in a Philly Shell or even a low guard -- allows you to slip faster. Try doing a sit-up with your hands on your head, then doing a sit up with your hands on your beltline, and you'll see the difference immediately.

The problem comes when you have your hands low and DON'T slip, or zig when you should've zagged. :owned:

I just watched this.. it was on late..like 2 in the morning in England... no advertised or anything.

Poor Andy Lee. Vera opened his face up with his elbow -i don't know what "da hell" Teddy Atlas was talking about....and don't get me started on Joe Tessitores new beard.

Having your hands down -- not as down as in that pic, but in a Philly Shell or even a low guard -- allows you to slip faster. Try doing a sit-up with your hands on your head, then doing a sit up with your hands on your beltline, and you'll see the difference immediately.

The problem comes when you have your hands low and DON'T slip, or zig when you should've zagged. :owned:


This Philly Shell nonsense has become rather fashionable these days, and I have noticed that a number of the foolish young boxers emerging from the Kronk gym are adopting it. It was what Cintron was trying to do when Felliciano made him look bad. Margarito will make him look even worse!

When I was young young boxers would imitate Muhammad Ali, and as a result get themselves knocked out. Bouncing up and down on your toes is a waste of time, and when you do it with your hands down it becomes a dangerous waste of time. Styles which has serious technical flaws should NEVER be imitated. Just because Floyd Mayweather can make Philly Shell work, does not mean the rest of us mere mortals can do it too.

This Philly Shell nonsense has become rather fashionable these days, and I have noticed that a number of the foolish young boxers emerging from the Kronk gym are adopting it.....

.... Just because Floyd Mayweather can make Philly Shell work, does not mean the rest of us mere mortals can do it too.

****in' A. I hope you don't misundertand; I don't use the Philly Shell. I'm way too old, big, and slow for that ****. Give me a peekaboo guard any day. I'm an armored personnel carrier in boxing trunks.

Having your hands down -- not as down as in that pic, but in a Philly Shell or even a low guard -- allows you to slip faster. Try doing a sit-up with your hands on your head, then doing a sit up with your hands on your beltline, and you'll see the difference immediately.

The problem comes when you have your hands low and DON'T slip, or zig when you should've zagged. :owned:

This Philly Shell nonsense has become rather fashionable these days, and I have noticed that a number of the foolish young boxers emerging from the Kronk gym are adopting it. It was what Cintron was trying to do when Felliciano made him look bad. Margarito will make him look even worse!

When I was young young boxers would imitate Muhammad Ali, and as a result get themselves knocked out. Bouncing up and down on your toes is a waste of time, and when you do it with your hands down it becomes a dangerous waste of time. Styles which has serious technical flaws should NEVER be imitated. Just because Floyd Mayweather can make Philly Shell work, does not mean the rest of us mere mortals can do it too.

Both well said.

This Philly Shell nonsense has become rather fashionable these days, and I have noticed that a number of the foolish young boxers emerging from the Kronk gym are adopting it. It was what Cintron was trying to do when Felliciano made him look bad. Margarito will make him look even worse!

When I was young young boxers would imitate Muhammad Ali, and as a result get themselves knocked out. Bouncing up and down on your toes is a waste of time, and when you do it with your hands down it becomes a dangerous waste of time. Styles which has serious technical flaws should NEVER be imitated. Just because Floyd Mayweather can make Philly Shell work, does not mean the rest of us mere mortals can do it too.

You constantly manage to contribute the most useless pieces of advice.

I thought it was good advice.

I only saw the Cintron fight for the first time this week, and there were similarities with the Lee-Vera fight. Cintron's extra power and experience, and the fact that Lee was against (what seems to be) a better opponent are the reasons we didn't see the same outcome in my opinion.

I thought it was good advice.

I only saw the Cintron fight for the first time this week, and there were similarities with the Lee-Vera fight. Cintron's extra power and experience, and the fact that Lee was against (what seems to be) a better opponent are the reasons we didn't see the same outcome in my opinion.


If Cintron had as much heart as he has talent he would make Margarito look like a novice. Sadly he will probably persist with Philly Shell in an effort to look cool and Margarito will punish him for it.

****in' A. I hope you don't misundertand; I don't use the Philly Shell. I'm way too old, big, and slow for that ****. Give me a peekaboo guard any day. I'm an armored personnel carrier in boxing trunks.


The peek-a-boo guard gives you that last chance to avoid getting hit. Once you learn to coordinate lateral head movement with an offensive strategy, you will become the guy everybody wants to avoid!

Philly Shell is a difficult style to employ and easy to beat. All Felliciano did was harass Cintron with and endless series of punches. If you have heavy hands then drill your firepower into his shoulder. After a few solid hits you will notice that his body language changes. However, the neaderthal approach isn't always necessary. Quite often all you need to do is need to do is feint the right then hit him with the left uppercut. Philly Shell virtually forces a man to hang his head on the right side leaving him wide open.

You constantly manage to contribute the most useless pieces of advice.
Hey shawn

I have seen 3 of your posts so far and they all are **** with nothing constructive to say. Potatoes knows more about boxing in his left pinky than you know.

Hey shawn

I have seen 3 of your posts so far and they all are **** with nothing constructive to say. Potatoes knows more about boxing in his left pinky than you know.




Thank you.

How are you doing? Is your list of victims getting any longer? Have any promoters offered you a million dollar signing bonus? All you gotta do is get knockouts! :biggthump

Thank you.

How are you doing? Is your list of victims getting any longer? Have any promoters offered you a million dollar signing bonus? All you gotta do is get knockouts! :biggthump
My pleasure...

I am sorry I did not respond to your last email, I need to get to it. Things have been mighty hectic. As far the KO's I am more worried about not getting hit as of right now!

;)

vera and lee are both bums IMO

Having your hands down -- not as down as in that pic, but in a Philly Shell or even a low guard -- allows you to slip faster. Try doing a sit-up with your hands on your head, then doing a sit up with your hands on your beltline, and you'll see the difference immediately.

The problem comes when you have your hands low and DON'T slip, or zig when you should've zagged. :owned:

Fraidy cat knows some ****. I always find when slipping that my hands are down by my nutz. It just seems that Im able to get out of the way easier.

But for the green guys just coming in, keep your hands up and learn to roll before trying to slip. It will allow your eyes the time needed to pick up the shots as well as the confidence and timing to slip..............Rockin':boxing:

My pleasure...

I am sorry I did not respond to your last email, I need to get to it. Things have been mighty hectic. As far the KO's I am more worried about not getting hit as of right now!

;)


Getting hit?

http://www.boxingdaily.co.uk/wp-content/img/PetergetsclosertotheWBCHeavyweightboxingcrown.JPG


In the real world of boxing it is difficult not to get hit. Nevertheless, you can do a lot reduce the probability of taking solid hits. If James Toney had the habit of keeping his guard up Sam Peter would have hit him less frequently. It is all about habit. Repeat something enough times then you will start doing it unconsciously. Whatever it is you are doing without thinking about it, those are your habits.

****in' A. I hope you don't misundertand; I don't use the Philly Shell. I'm way too old, big, and slow for that ****. Give me a peekaboo guard any day. I'm an armored personnel carrier in boxing trunks.

peekaboo for the win. but i do like to mix it up and rather than discourage me from doing it, my trainer has helped me develop a good low-left style that works for me. i like to use it along with the peekaboo style to give guys different looks.

all styles of defense have their advantages and disadvantages. it all depends on the fighter.

vera and lee are both bums IMO

Dare I make this point?!

yeah i will...

I SAY!... if Lee wasn't White and Irish, nobody would give a **** about him.

Him and John Duddy.

Dare I make this point?!

yeah i will...

I SAY!... if Lee wasn't White and Irish, nobody would give a **** about him.

Him and John Duddy.

possibly true to some extent, but they are white and irish. and fun to watch.

anybody that thinks duddy, lee, or vera are bums should stop watching boxing.

that andy lee is hell overrated, i cant believe everyone thinks he is the truth or god or something

does peekaboo just mean keeping your hands up high?
my trainer is so strict with that, one of the ex-pros gives me a slap when i do pads and dont get my left hand straight up again after a jab

does peekaboo just mean keeping your hands up high?
my trainer is so strict with that, one of the ex-pros gives me a slap when i do pads and dont get my left hand straight up again after a jab



Peek-a-boo is a defensive style used primarily by boxers who fight small. The fundamentals of boxing apply to everybody. You have probably heard your trainer carp on: chin down, guard up, move your head. Those are the fundamentals of defense which everybody should do, but how you do it is a question of style. A man who fights small will usually keep his gloves glued to his face just low enough so that he can see over them, hence the term peek-a-boo. Your trainer should have also told you to keep your eyes on your opponent at all times. Extending your gloves up to cover your eyes is not peek-a-boo, it is merely a stupid way to block a punch. The correct way to avoid getting hit, for a man using peek-a-boo, is to employ lateral head movement from the waist.

No matter what your style is, all jabs should go the shortest way there and the shortest way back.

what kind of stance would you recommend for someone who is very tall. My trainer trys to train me the way he trains all his other fighters. The problem is that I'm 6'7" and most of the guys at my gym are short. So he has us all holding our hands up high. too high IMO. I dont feel natural at all. I try to listen to him thinking that he know what is best for me but I seem to have a hard time defending the body with my arms up so high.

The stance he teaches has me holding my left hand about 6 away from my face and level with my eyes. my left hand is actually about 6 inches higher than my left. I guess he is thinking that is good for defending up top but when I throw a jab at any of the guys and they do block it they usually end up eating there own left hand. For me it seem more natural to leave my left hand about 8 or 10 inches off my chest and a few inches lower than my shoulder and my right tucked next the right hand side of my jaw.

I rarely get hit in the head cause I can usually stay out of anyones reach but when the distance is closed then my body pays the price. Most body shots dont seem to bother me but the other day one landed when I must have been too relaxed and breathing out at the same time. Hit my right in the ribs and forced me to take a knee. it was like I lost my breath... 2 seconds later the pain kicked in and then the embarasment kicked in. liver shot I guess.

Basicly... whats the best way to defend the body... for a tall guy. any tips

Use your elbows. There are a couple of guys in my gym your size. When I spar them, they use a modified peekaboo guard and a squarish stance, knuckles by their chin, and they use body movement and footwork to block body shots with their forearms and elbows. The square(er) stance helps them pivot, sidestep, and otherwise redirect when a shorter guy comes in.

The only way I can get a head shot is to throw an overhand, which they can see a mile away.

Conversely, I keep my knuckles up over my eyebrows when fighting someone that big, because I don't have to worry as much about body shots (except the uppercut.) I throw long combos with lots of feints to try and get those arms out of place. Sparring a really tall guy is exhausting.

what kind of stance would you recommend for someone who is very tall. My trainer trys to train me the way he trains all his other fighters. The problem is that I'm 6'7" and most of the guys at my gym are short. So he has us all holding our hands up high. too high IMO. I dont feel natural at all. I try to listen to him thinking that he know what is best for me but I seem to have a hard time defending the body with my arms up so high.

The stance he teaches has me holding my left hand about 6 away from my face and level with my eyes. my left hand is actually about 6 inches higher than my left. I guess he is thinking that is good for defending up top but when I throw a jab at any of the guys and they do block it they usually end up eating there own left hand. For me it seem more natural to leave my left hand about 8 or 10 inches off my chest and a few inches lower than my shoulder and my right tucked next the right hand side of my jaw.

I rarely get hit in the head cause I can usually stay out of anyones reach but when the distance is closed then my body pays the price. Most body shots dont seem to bother me but the other day one landed when I must have been too relaxed and breathing out at the same time. Hit my right in the ribs and forced me to take a knee. it was like I lost my breath... 2 seconds later the pain kicked in and then the embarasment kicked in. liver shot I guess.

Basicly... whats the best way to defend the body... for a tall guy. any tips

I would not be keeping your left that far away from your face. You are just asking to eat a lead hook.

You want your hand a inch or two away, and you should be able to look over the top of your glove, on your left hand. When someone throws a right you want bring your hand up, and out another inch or two to block it.


I personally do not use a "peekaboo" defense. I use more of a philly shell with my left hand around my belt line. I use my shoulders alot for blocking and lean/roll with punches.

I would say go with what works for you, and if something doesn't work, you need to adapt quickly in a fight.

If I notice I am eating to much using a Philly shell, then I will go with a peekaboo defense, or in close I will go crossbody. I am 5'7 at 132 so most of the fighters I fight are shorter then me. So I prefer the philly shell because of how I snap my jab and it allows ME to throw the type of hook I throw faster.

It is all a matter of preferance and what works for you. Somethings work well for one person, but not so well for another. Do what suits you best, but always be able to adapt. As with anything.