I would like this thread to remain civil, if possible. If not, I will likely ask Rick to remove it.

I would like to understand why people pick who they do, but I would like it in a manner without attacking others whose views differ from your own.

For my own part I'm voting for Kerry.

My reasons:
As much fun as "rah rah" patriotism is, we have to understand that we live in a world that has more countries in it than the US, and that because of the way the world has evolved, we are not financially independant of the rest of the world and need them buying our goods in order to be able to maintain the lifestyles to which we've become accustomed.
In the 4 years of Bush, we've seen a constant devaluation of the dollar in foreign currency exchanges. Normally this would be coupled with a proportionate increase in foreign orders for US goods. That hasn't happened this time. People around the world are electing to pay more buying goods made elsewhere rather than buy cheaper US goods.
Why is that? Because our Cowboy Religious Whackjob of a President thinks that we don't need the rest of the world to like us and that he can act on orders from "God" and do as he pleases. This frightens the rest of the world and alienates us.
While if I were given a better choice I would not vote for Kerry, the choices I'm given leave me no alternative if I want to see the US thrive again.

Kerry KO 8

vB you know i who i am voting for.

i simply just can't vote for someone that i have no idea what the hell they intend on doing. mostly because they have no idea what the hell they are going to do. i love war, death, and especially alienating our country from the rest of the world. i want only the rich to get richer. i want to be lied to for 4 more years. sure you say that kerry has laid out a plan but i have yet to hear it. where is this grand plan. i want to hear what his healthcare plan is. i want to hear about how he is going to create more jobs. i know you know where i can find this info. i need something that isn't gonna change next year. i guess i just want more of the same.

VB keeping it civil is good. I'm voting for Bush. Can't put a frenchman or atleast someone that acts like it in office. I also want to keep our military and not change to the UN. This should be a good thread. Look forward to see who people vote for.

Of course Im voting for Bush. Hes been unfairly blamed for everything from the recession, to somebodys car didn't start today. Tax cuts do stop recessions and improve the economy. The deficet will be close to zero in a few years if the economy continues to improve at its present rate. There was actually a net gain of jobs in 2004. I dont like Kerrys global test. America is america, we have our own ideas, standards of living, and way of life. Thats what makes america great. Why should we care what other countries think of us? NO country does as much as we do to help the world. Other countries dont like us because of what we have. Most people have their own home, a couple of cars. etc etc. thats why they dont like us, they think of us as spoiled. Kerry has done almost nothing in 20 years in the senate. So did he decide out of the blue to start caring? I think Bush does what he thinks is best. He doesn't care about popularity, or re-election, he tries to do whats best for the american people. Thats what I like about him most.

Kerry easily.

Although both sides have carried themselves disgracefully during this campaign, John Kerry's behaivior has been espicially disgusting. I dont wnat this man as my president.

I'm voting for the W.

Can you explain that? I keep asking for non-partisan news sources of the Democratic party pulling **** like the Repugnicans, but no one seems to come up with anything expect conjecture, anecdotal evidence and Faux News.

It's an honest question, not a jab.

Can you explain that? I keep asking for non-partisan news sources of the Democratic party pulling **** like the Repugnicans, but no one seems to come up with anything expect conjecture, anecdotal evidence and Faux News.

It's an honest question, not a jab.

John Kerry wants the UN involved in how we handle our national security. The UN is a corrupt organization that has accomplished virtualy nothing in over 15 years.

John Kerry wants social programs for people who dont work for it. this will raise taxes for the middle class. he says he will tax only the rich. there are not that many rich people in the country. these programs will make the already too large beauracy in this country even bigger. we need a smaller govt, not a larger.

John Kerry is the most liberal person in the senate.

make no mistake about it, i'm no bush fan. but these are just a few of the examples of why i wont vote for kerry. bush gets my vote by default.

I would like this thread to remain civil, if possible. If not, I will likely ask Rick to remove it.

I would like to understand why people pick who they do, but I would like it in a manner without attacking others whose views differ from your own.

For my own part I'm voting for Kerry.

My reasons:
As much fun as "rah rah" patriotism is, we have to understand that we live in a world that has more countries in it than the US, and that because of the way the world has evolved, we are not financially independant of the rest of the world and need them buying our goods in order to be able to maintain the lifestyles to which we've become accustomed.
In the 4 years of Bush, we've seen a constant devaluation of the dollar in foreign currency exchanges. Normally this would be coupled with a proportionate increase in foreign orders for US goods. That hasn't happened this time. People around the world are electing to pay more buying goods made elsewhere rather than buy cheaper US goods.
Why is that? Because our Cowboy Religious Whackjob of a President thinks that we don't need the rest of the world to like us and that he can act on orders from "God" and do as he pleases. This frightens the rest of the world and alienates us.
While if I were given a better choice I would not vote for Kerry, the choices I'm given leave me no alternative if I want to see the US thrive again.

what the **** is this bull****

lets try to remain civil in you said in your first sentence and then you proceed to call our president a "Cowboy Religious Whackjob"

talk about a typical liberal hypocrite

as bob dole said i wish you limited success in life

in conclusion VB get a life!

what the **** is this bull****

lets try to remain civil in you said in your first sentence and then you proceed to call our president a "Cowboy Religious Whackjob"

talk about a typical liberal hypocrite

as bob dole said i wish you limited success in life

in conclusion VB get a life!
I was referring to each other. Of course I didn't expect you to be able to reason that one out.

good come back pederast...

Looks like the cemetery vote is a lock for Kerry.
http://tinypic.com/eof0i

I think they deleted the thread where I stated my views on partial birth abortion and gay rights. This site has too many freakin restrictions.

I believe in retro-active abortions....

& Jack, you've been allowed to hang long enough already...

John Kerry wants the UN involved in how we handle our national security. The UN is a corrupt organization that has accomplished virtualy nothing in over 15 years.

John Kerry wants social programs for people who dont work for it. this will raise taxes for the middle class. he says he will tax only the rich. there are not that many rich people in the country. these programs will make the already too large beauracy in this country even bigger. we need a smaller govt, not a larger.

John Kerry is the most liberal person in the senate.

make no mistake about it, i'm no bush fan. but these are just a few of the examples of why i wont vote for kerry. bush gets my vote by default.

First of all, we are still here right? I mean, the USA and Russia didn't vaporize eachother in the 70s.....and we ain't living like the movie Red Dawn right? Hmmmmmm, maybe the UN providing a forum for countries to air whatever complaints and **** they have IS a good thing!

The point of social programs IS to help people who CANNOT work. This includes the elderly, single parents and disabled people. I don't know ANYBODY that gets food stamps that DOESN'T need them. Those who collect food stamps are usually REQUIRED to have jobs. But because Manufacturing jobs have been outsourced people w/ out college are in a bind to provide for their family.

That your tax dollars are being sucked away by people scamming off welfare is one of the most steaming pieces of BS propaganda the right wing has ever squeezed out. If you are worried about the gov't wasting your tax money, worry about blank checks being written to Halliburton without requiring them to account for the money.

Kerry is the most liberal person on the senate? LAUGHABLE. You don't know very many senators. But of course the REAL reason you are saying that is because that is what Karl Rove's mouthpieces have been saying.

If you vote for George Bush and do not fall into one of the following categories.....

Right Wing Christian
Making over 200K per year
Hopelessly Delusional
Bush family relative.

Then YOU ARE MAKING A BAD DECISION.

what the **** is this bull****

lets try to remain civil in you said in your first sentence and then you proceed to call our president a "Cowboy Religious Whackjob"

talk about a typical liberal hypocrite

as bob dole said i wish you limited success in life

in conclusion VB get a life!

Oh please. He wasn't addressing anyone in the thread. He was saying the people here should be civil to eachother.

First of all, we are still here right? I mean, the USA and Russia didn't vaporize eachother in the 70s.....and we ain't living like the movie Red Dawn right? Hmmmmmm, maybe the UN providing a forum for countries to air whatever complaints and **** they have IS a good thing!

The point of social programs IS to help people who CANNOT work. This includes the elderly, single parents and disabled people. I don't know ANYBODY that gets food stamps that DOESN'T need them. Those who collect food stamps are usually REQUIRED to have jobs. But because Manufacturing jobs have been outsourced people w/ out college are in a bind to provide for their family.

That your tax dollars are being sucked away by people scamming off welfare is one of the most steaming pieces of BS propaganda the right wing has ever squeezed out. If you are worried about the gov't wasting your tax money, worry about blank checks being written to Halliburton without requiring them to account for the money.

Kerry is the most liberal person on the senate? LAUGHABLE. You don't know very many senators. But of course the REAL reason you are saying that is because that is what Karl Rove's mouthpieces have been saying.

If you vote for George Bush and do not fall into one of the following categories.....

Right Wing Christian
Making over 200K per year
Hopelessly Delusional
Bush family relative.

Then YOU ARE MAKING A BAD DECISION.

I'm voting for bush and i dont appreciate you attacking my opinion. It's people like you that make me hate liberals.

I'm voting for bush and i dont appreciate you attacking my opinion. It's people like you that make me hate liberals.

If I attacked you, you would know it.

This is a debate. You made several statements, they may be your opinions but you did not qualify them as such. If you post statements like that in a public forum you better be prepared to back them up.

Instead of backing up your statements, you cower and say "stop attacking my opinions". Man, I thought bush supporters were supposed to be the tough macho guys....but whenever they are asked to account for the things they say, they wine that they are being attacked. It is this **** about so many Republicans that pisses me off.

Maybe if your opinion doesn't stand up to scrutiny you should reexamine it. Oh but that would be too reasonable for your lot....

I'm voting for bush and i dont appreciate you attacking my opinion. It's people like you that make me hate liberals.


What....you don't attack the opinion of the left-wingers ?

I, personally...despise any "winger".
These types are not open to anything logical, if it means they must admit the other side is right.

big pappy

So you are saying the Crawford Town Drunk and army deserter is a better commander in chief now than a decorated vietnam vet will be?

Folks, in case you are wondering this typifies the Bush supporter that I call, HOPELESSLY DELUSIONAL.

What....you don't attack the opinion of the left-wingers ?

I, personally...despise any "winger".
These types are not open to anything logical, if it means they must admit the other side is right.

Who the **** enters a political discussion, makes several statements taking an extreme view, and then complains that they are being questioned?

So many right wingers are like this. It is annoying.

I know a Republican who said that CNN is biased because if you watch crossfire, the Republicans on the show are weak debaters. I then asked him "Who would you replace them with? Really, who are some debaters on the right wing who can compete with James Carville and Paul Begala?" He of course had no answer for me. Right Wingers are AWFUL at backing up their views.

I'm voting for bush and i dont appreciate you attacking my opinion. It's people like you that make me hate liberals.

its ok man he really has no clue about the real world. if he says that everyone collecting food stamps is worthy then he it the seriously dillusional one. as for the outsourcing of jobs....please. thats not gonna change even if kerry is elected. hte heinz company outsouces most thier production too. what a laugh.

its ok man he really has no clue about the real world. if he says that everyone collecting food stamps is worthy then he it the seriously dillusional one. as for the outsourcing of jobs....please. thats not gonna change even if kerry is elected. hte heinz company outsouces most thier production too. what a laugh.

That's it, cheer on your fellow right winger *****ing out of a debate. That really shows us your eagerness to prove that your ideals are right.

YOu don't seem to have a clue how to read. I didn't say everyone collecting food stamps is worthy. What I said was the magnitude of that problem compared with the other **** your tax dollars go to is misrepresented.

As for having no clue about the real world....
Tell me something. Is Bush's foreign policy working?

If I attacked you, you would know it.

Well, I'm just shaking in my boots.

Well, I'm just shaking in my boots.

You have already made yourself look like a whiney ***** with your "I don't appreciate you attacking my opinions" statement....talking tough now, AIN'T GONNA DO YOU ANY GOOD. What would do you good is actually citing facts and DEFENDING the statements you made.

ANyways I didn't attack you. Why are you being so defensive when someone QUESTIONS (not attacking questioning) political statements you make?

big pappy

So you are saying the Crawford Town Drunk and army deserter is a better commander in chief now than a decorated vietnam vet will be?

Folks, in case you are wondering this typifies the Bush supporter that I call, HOPELESSLY DELUSIONAL.


oh hell yeah! kerry can't lead an army so he is going to let the un do it. why should i think he could lead a nation? decorated? lol that jackass gets a couple of scrapes so he can get purple hearts and throw them away and you say he is decorated. maybe with fecal matter. you need to stop playing video games and pay attention to the real world for little while

oh hell yeah! kerry can't lead an army so he is going to let the un do it. why should i think he could lead a nation? decorated? lol that jackass gets a couple of scrapes so he can get purple heats and throw them away and you say he is decorated. maybe with fecal matter. you need to stop playing video games and pay attention to the real world for little while

He is going to let the UN run OUR army. Once again, you are quoting Bush from the debates. Do you have anything to back that up with?

He killed a group of VC that was shooting at him and he pulled one of his men back into the boat he was in when he fell out. That is pretty damn good. The "Swift Boat Veterans" for truth did NOT serve with Kerry. They are the same group that attacked him for testifying in congress about atrocities committed by our troops in the 70s. The Swift Boat Veteran's accusations have been DEBUNKED inside and out on just about EVERY news network.

This is the same **** that GW pulled with McCain, when he marched out a "Veteran" who claimed that McCain gave up intelligence to the Vietcong during his captivity.

Bush is a facist, war monger pig who leads by fear. He should be digging ditches, not leading the free world.

He is going to let the UN run OUR army. Once again, you are quoting Bush from the debates. Do you have anything to back that up with?

He killed a group of VC that was shooting at him and he pulled one of his men back into the boat he was in when he fell out. That is pretty damn good. The "Swift Boat Veterans" for truth did NOT serve with Kerry. They are the same group that attacked him for testifying in congress about atrocities committed by our troops in the 70s. The Swift Boat Veteran's accusations have been DEBUNKED inside and out on just about EVERY news network.

This is the same **** that GW pulled with McCain, when he marched out a "Veteran" who claimed that McCain gave up intelligence to the Vietcong during his captivity.


hey man i have a question for you. do oyu listen to rap?

Sometimes, Mos Def and Black Eyed peas are all I can stomach. I mostly listen to classic rock, Irish rock, blues.....

Why?

hey man i have a question for you. do oyu listen to rap?

So are we going to have a little point bet on the Gator/Dawgs game?

Bush is a facist, war monger pig who leads by fear. He should be digging ditches, not leading the free world.

No, he should be AT the front lines of the war he started LEADING the army. See how long he thinks what he did was the right decision.

I hate the Gators...I'm a 'Canes fan...

So big pappy. What was the point of asking me if I listen to rap?

So big pappy. What was the point of asking me if I listen to rap?


ever listen to public enemey?

So are we going to have a little point bet on the Gator/Dawgs game?

i don't know sonny. thats a hard one to go with. georgia sux too. they have never won in fl. i would do it with no spread but to give up 7 is tough. i have been thinking about it

Congrats, Pappy you've finally learned to post pics, now keep that learning process going till you realize that Bush is a bad leader.

Bush Vs Kerry....I go with Kerry
McCain Vs Kerry....I go with McCain


The path bush has us on isn't ok and the 50% of the country that is for Kerry tells the tale.

I would take McCain over Kerry, too.

Well, I would have had he had the balls to stand up to Bush this time around, espacially after the Bush smear in S.C. last time around.

"Would you vote for John McCain even though he fathered an illegitimate black child?"

Yeah. Bush. Man of integrity...

Hahahahahaha,
Pappy wants to know if you listen to public enemy or rap because he's a racist nascar redneck. check out his profile pic

He was giving someone a hard time in another thread because they either made a typographical error or they we're speaking in slang. He was like, "is that english"

Meanwhile,

hey man i have a question for you. do oyu listen to rap?
Its cool, we all make spelling mistakes and are human BUT you we're giving some guy in a previous thread hard time for either doing the same as you or speaking one word of slang.

vB you know i who i am voting for.

i simply just can't vote for someone that i have no idea what the hell they intend on doing. mostly because they have no idea what the hell they are going to do. i love war, death, and especially alienating our country from the rest of the world. i want only the rich to get richer. i want to be lied to for 4 more years. sure you say that kerry has laid out a plan but i have yet to hear it. where is this grand plan. i want to hear what his healthcare plan is. i want to hear about how he is going to create more jobs. i know you know where i can find this info. i need something that isn't gonna change next year. i guess i just want more of the same.

In the english language we typically capitalize the beginning of new sentences!

It really didn't take this thread long to denigrate, did it?

Hahahahahaha,
Pappy wants to know if you listen to public enemy or rap because he's a racist nascar redneck. check out his profile pic

He was giving someone a hard time in another thread because they either made a typographical error or they we're speaking in slang. He was like, "is that english"

Meanwhile,


Its cool, we all make spelling mistakes and are human BUT you we're giving some guy in a previous thread hard time for either doing the same as you or speaking one word of slang.





In the english language we typically capitalize the beginning of new sentences!

actually on the internet we don't start sentences with capital letters. actually i don't recall giving anyone a hard time about thier spelling mistakes or for speaking in slang. however i do recall in another thread someone obviously not speaking english so i asked what it meant.

actually on the internet we don't start sentence. actually i don't recall giving anyone a hard time about thier spelling mistakes or for speaking in slang. however i do recall in another thread someone obviously not speaking english so i asked what it meant.

Ok, if that is how if we Actually do it here on the internets

You have already made yourself look like a whiney ***** with your "I don't appreciate you attacking my opinions" statement....talking tough now, AIN'T GONNA DO YOU ANY GOOD. What would do you good is actually citing facts and DEFENDING the statements you made.

ANyways I didn't attack you. Why are you being so defensive when someone QUESTIONS (not attacking questioning) political statements you make?

"Talking tough?" Dude, this is the internet, how tough can it be?

"whiney *****?" Real mature, dude.

ever listen to public enemey?

Yes.... **** who hasn't EVER listened to public enemy. Have I bought their records? No.

"Talking tough?" Dude, this is the internet, how tough can it be?

"whiney *****?" Real mature, dude.

You are right. Ya can't be tough over the internet.

I am sorry but when someone makes political statements and doesn't have the courage to answer questions about them.....AND COMPLAINS when someone asks them questions about the opinions they expressed. That person IS a whiney *****.

http://www.georgebushisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway. com/images/whodoyouwant.jpg

Neuraxis.

Funny. But hopefully our criteria for a president is something OTHER than who catches a football best.

The visual slams on Kerry are clever. I think I will retort in kind.

http://www.georgewbush.org/images/bios/dwi2.gif

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/bush__coke7.jpg

The commander in chief.....

http://mccarthy.vg:8080/images.mccarthy.vg/bush-pick.jpg

http://www.unknownnews.net/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

http://www.zpub.com/un/ashcroft-yournext.jpg

That will do for now.

Well, maybe one more.....

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/49/news-corn.php

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_global_test_kit.jpg

You are right. Ya can't be tough over the internet.

I am sorry but when someone makes political statements and doesn't have the courage to answer questions about them.....AND COMPLAINS when someone asks them questions about the opinions they expressed. That person IS a whiney *****.

You didnt ask any questions. you just spude the usual left wing crap that hear i from people like Michael Moore.

"First of all, we are still here right? I mean, the USA and Russia didn't vaporize eachother in the 70s.....and we ain't living like the movie Red Dawn right? Hmmmmmm, maybe the UN providing a forum for countries to air whatever complaints and **** they have IS a good thing!

The point of social programs IS to help people who CANNOT work. This includes the elderly, single parents and disabled people. I don't know ANYBODY that gets food stamps that DOESN'T need them. Those who collect food stamps are usually REQUIRED to have jobs. But because Manufacturing jobs have been outsourced people w/ out college are in a bind to provide for their family.

That your tax dollars are being sucked away by people scamming off welfare is one of the most steaming pieces of BS propaganda the right wing has ever squeezed out. If you are worried about the gov't wasting your tax money, worry about blank checks being written to Halliburton without requiring them to account for the money.

Kerry is the most liberal person on the senate? LAUGHABLE. You don't know very many senators. But of course the REAL reason you are saying that is because that is what Karl Rove's mouthpieces have been saying."

Nowhere in this part do I attack George Bush. So what the **** are you talking about?

And if its CRAP as you say, you should have no problem discrediting it with facts.

BTW, you say I attacked your opinions......I don't think I ever called what you said "the same right wing crap that I hear Rush Limbaugh spew."

Kerry all the way!

Go Kerry!

Why? Because I think Bush is his daddy's dingleberry. I don't like how things are now and I don't see them improving under Bush. I don't feel like going to war with Iran, North Korea, China, and whoever else Bush brands a country harboring "terrorists."

I don't know what Kerry can/will do. I don't think he'd be worse than Bush, so I want him in office.

And I think a lot of Fahrenheit 9/11 is true. There are too many things that couldn't be explained by Bush's people on the film.

I would vote for Paris Hilton over George W right now.

Damien you should post more often.

i dont really like g. w. either. but people who think anything in Fahrenheit 9/11 is legitimate is a gullable unrealistic altruist.

I will vote for Kerry tomorrow but I will feel like a shower afterwards.

If techn9ne had one more brain cell it would be lonely.

I'll vote Kerry.

Why?

Because I care about education - NCLB is a joke. Testing is not teaching and the program is horribly underfunded.

Because I care about the environment.

Because I care about civil liberties and the constitution.

Because I care about the economy.

Bacause I don't want a President whose leadership qualities mirror those of Musilini.

Because Bush ignored warnings about 9-11 from his own terrorist advisor.

Because bush lied and continuously flip-flopped about his reasons for war with Iraq.

Because I care about America's standing in the world community.


For these and many other reasons I am voting for anybody but Bush.

If techn9ne had one more brain cell it would be lonely.

I'll vote Kerry.

Why?

Because I care about education - NCLB is a joke. Testing is not teaching and the program is horribly underfunded.

Because I care about the environment.

Because I care about civil liberties and the constitution.

Because I care about the economy.

Bacause I don't want a President whose leadership qualities mirror those of Musilini.

Because Bush ignored warnings about 9-11 from his own terrorist advisor.

Because bush lied and continuously flip-flopped about his reasons for war with Iraq.

Because I care about America's standing in the world community.


For these and many other reasons I am voting for anybody but Bush.

does the baby want his bottle?

I can't believe Bush is going to win this election. What is wrong with America?

Bush screwed up...badly...in so many ways. This election was a no brainer. It wasn't Vote for Kerry b/c you like him. It was Don't Vote For Bush b/c he's an idiot. So vote for the other guy.

WTF happened?

I'd give Bush the same suggestion that someone gave to Hitch****. I just hope Bush takes us up on it. Tell Bush to go play Top Gun elsewhere.