Ya know I for one am still not sold on Antonio Tarver. Here is a guy that is a great promoter for the sport, there is no doubt but I believe as I did before Glenn Johnson beat Roy that he is a good fighter yet overrated. His decision win against Reggie Johnson was not a very good performance against a very faded former champ. He got his ass beat against Eric Harding in the first fight and the second fight he had easily lost every round until he caught Harding. His fight with Montell Griffin was pretty good but I did not walk away from that fight thinking he was anything special(again he fought a faded champ). His first fight with Jones he showed somes signs no doubt, however he gave that fight away by having great success in some rounds taking Roy to the ropes and then in others he would go away from that and do nothing. After the first round and half of the second fight I thought Tarver was going to lose a ud, he was letting Roy dictate the fight and he showed he learned **** from the first fight. Well, he caught Roy, just like Harding and so we consider him...what do we consider him? Great...a pound for pounder, what? I don't know. I think he has great power, thats obvious but I don't believe he is half as good as he thinks he is or the rest of the boxing cult thinks he is. It is too bad there is no one at light heavy to try and prove my point. Tarver, yeah he's good, but he's not that good, what does everyone here think of the magic man?

hes a light HW rahman
one punch that made him special
and even then not as much
since a journey men just did the same thing
if not worse

tarver is good because he pushed roy jones to the brink in thier first fight and we all know what happened the second time 'round. but i dont know how good he is because the roy jones he beat was not a prime one. i think johnson will be a good test for him and we'll see form there

I agree 100%


Johnson will expose Tarver December 8th

If Tarver beats Johnson somewhat convincingly and stays active I will have more respect for him. He still needs another good win over a solid opponent like Johnson to sell me on him.

man, mark my words, tarver will HANDLE johnson EASILY. tarver is an awesome fighter.

man, mark my words, tarver will HANDLE johnson EASILY. tarver is an awesome fighter.

ya style wise hes perfect for tarver and roy
just roy was to old and faded
but i dont think thatll be a problem with tarver
he just too wild
and tarver is a counter puncher with power
hes gonna do what old roy couldnt
but i hope he looses

Ya know I for one am still not sold on Antonio Tarver. Here is a guy that is a great promoter for the sport, there is no doubt but I believe as I did before Glenn Johnson beat Roy that he is a good fighter yet overrated. His decision win against Reggie Johnson was not a very good performance against a very faded former champ. He got his ass beat against Eric Harding in the first fight and the second fight he had easily lost every round until he caught Harding. His fight with Montell Griffin was pretty good but I did not walk away from that fight thinking he was anything special(again he fought a faded champ). His first fight with Jones he showed somes signs no doubt, however he gave that fight away by having great success in some rounds taking Roy to the ropes and then in others he would go away from that and do nothing. After the first round and half of the second fight I thought Tarver was going to lose a ud, he was letting Roy dictate the fight and he showed he learned **** from the first fight. Well, he caught Roy, just like Harding and so we consider him...what do we consider him? Great...a pound for pounder, what? I don't know. I think he has great power, thats obvious but I don't believe he is half as good as he thinks he is or the rest of the boxing cult thinks he is. It is too bad there is no one at light heavy to try and prove my point. Tarver, yeah he's good, but he's not that good, what does everyone here think of the magic man?
Because of what johnson did to jones tarver is just another good lightheavy now.

after beating roy Johnson is now a good test for tarver? hopkins beat the hell out of a prime and undefeated johnson, i think tarver will knock him out, but that doesnt prove much about tarver, dont get me wrong, i am a huge tarver fan, but i think he should try his luck at heavyweight, he has the frame for it

Johnson is not just a wild swinging puncher,lol.You guys sound worse than Emmanuel Steward when he said during the RJ fight "This is very Amatuerish of Johnson for him to start off this fast,he's not being effective".Yeah well you guys must have listened to Steward's bias commentary that night because Johnson is a smart fighter who will slug when he needs to and box conservativly when he needs to.Oh,Johnson did get schooled and Kayoed by Hopkins 7yrs ago but thats nothing compared to Tarver getting floored and losing to Harding some 4yrs ago.

Johnsons has 52total fights while Tarver only has 24,lol.Johnsons experience will pay off december 8th.

I agree 100%


Johnson will expose Tarver December 8th


they will expose each other.

tarver is the best fighter 185 and below right now...he has speed and a vicious left staright...

easy...... not very

We'll see how good Tarver is when he meets Johnson

Tarver is overrated. he showed in the first RJJ fight that he has no heart. i wanna see him step up and fight toney.

When Tarver beats Johnson I hope all the people who think Johnson will win don't try to say he was a bum or he wasn't that good.

johnson is a bum

How good is Tarver? I have never been convinced he was very good at all. One hit wonder comes to mind. I lost most of my respect for Tarver during his first fight with Jones. He had the opportunity to win, but fought like a scared little girl, when he should have opened up.....he deserved to lose that fight.

A win against Johnson means nothing.

Tarver is in a bad situation now. All talk, and nobody to fight. Jones was his only big fight. Tarver gets outclassed if he messes with Hopkins. Tarver hasn't shown me anything to make me think he should move to Heavyweight.

Poor Tarver, he will have a steady string of crappy defences. Just like his daddy.......Roy.

I've seen ten of Johnsons fights,I bet you doubters probably seen him fight once.Or maybe most of you are also fans of Roy Jones Jr,who knows.The fact is Glen Johnson proved by beating Jones round after round,and knocking him silly that he has a great shot at beating Tarver.BTW,Johnson won more RD's against Jones in 9rd's than Tarver did against Jones two fights,lol.

Johnson is a decent fighter, after all his fights I would expect him to be a bit more polished than he is, but none the less, I think Tarver will be in for a long night.

Tarver did show some class at the post fight conf. after the RJJ vs Johnson fight, he kept a low profile, and let Johnson enjoy the moment. I was kind of suprised he didn't try to run his mouth as he did so many time with Roy.

As for the outcome of the fight, I give Johnson a good chance at pulling off the upset if he can swarm Tarver without getting tagged and dropped. I really haven't been impressed enough by either fighter to call for an all out KO victory by one or the other, so I will have to wait and see. Just like the rest of you....

One more thing, I had the pleasure of meeting and taking pics with Johnsons' whole family a few hours before the fight, and I must say they are wonderful, friendly, folks. No wonder why Johnson came off as such a nice guy, he even stopped on the way out of the ring to tell Roys' kids, (who were standing beside me crying) that their "Dad was going to be O.K., and that their Dad had done the same thing to alot of guys and all of them are O.K."! He told them "not to worry". Now THAT was a CLASSY GESTURE! Bravo Glen, my hat is off to you for that one!!!

If Jones had beaten Johnson is his old passion manner, my view on Tarver would have been higher. But after Johnson KOed Jones, who BTW is not in my top ten list (though I'm not calling him a bum like many others), just like any fan of the sports, I ask myself if Tarver beat the smack talking Jones or the soft spoken father.

And if Johnson pull an upset, then I ask myself no more. But if Tarver wins, then he should try his luck on the heavy and fight guys like Toney. Because him fighting Hopkins or no-name fighters won't really do him any good (well, for the fans anyway).

Johnson is a decent fighter, after all his fights I would expect him to be a bit more polished than he is, but none the less, I think Tarver will be in for a long night.

Tarver did show some class at the post fight conf. after the RJJ vs Johnson fight, he kept a low profile, and let Johnson enjoy the moment. I was kind of suprised he didn't try to run his mouth as he did so many time with Roy.

As for the outcome of the fight, I give Johnson a good chance at pulling off the upset if he can swarm Tarver without getting tagged and dropped. I really haven't been impressed enough by either fighter to call for an all out KO victory by one or the other, so I will have to wait and see. Just like the rest of you....

That's because it won't do him any good. Because after that fight, people were already questioning his crediblity. What could he possibly have said?

Johnson's KO of Roy does not detract from Tarver's KO of Roy.

My hunch is that had Tarver not Ko'd Roy like that, Johnson would not have done so, either.


The way Tarver leveled Roy...was the kind of KO that shatters a guy....physically & mentally.

i hope he retires with a big losing streak..........i hate him so much

i hope tarver dies in the ring one day..........i hate him so much

you're such a dumbass - for all the stupid **** you say, that kid that you supposedly beat up probably had a really good reason to fight with you. i hope the truth about that fight was that you really got your wig split. stupid bastard.

Good point Jabs. Maybe Tarver took everything out of Roy when he beat him and left just a shell for Johnson to fight!
Watching the fight i could see Jones wasn`t Jones, he wasn`t moving good at all, quite

You hope he dies? Why not just say you hope he is forced to retire. What does his life and boxing have to do with each other?

Tarver's talk is irritating sometimes. But so far.....he HAS backed it up.

Good point Jabs. Maybe Tarver took everything out of Roy when he beat him and left just a shell for Johnson to fight!
Watching the fight i could see Jones wasn`t Jones, he wasn`t moving good at all, quite


Or maybe he didn't expect the lesser known fighter in Glen Johnson to comeout like a bull and pressure him from the get go unlike Tarver who sat back and rarely threw a punch before nailing Jones in Rd2.

You're saying he was thinking of Tarver through the whole fight?

why are you so worried about me i am just speaking my mind. if you dont like what i post then then dont come on the forum......"FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

Tarver's KO of Roy shouldn't be de-valued simply because Johnson did it too. Tarver said what he was going to do, he told Roy that Roy will have no more excuses this time...and he dropped him like a bad habit. Tarver destroyed Roy and that's the Roy we saw in the ring against Glen.

trigger, was he putting his clothes back on while you were still laying in bed when you decided to take that picture?

Tarver's KO of Roy shouldn't be de-valued simply because Johnson did it too. Tarver said what he was going to do, he told Roy that Roy will have no more excuses this time...and he dropped him like a bad habit. Tarver destroyed Roy and that's the Roy we saw in the ring against Glen.

I agree Toney T's Ko over Jones should not be overlooked, it's just like when you were in high school or college and you were the first guy to **** a hot babe that everyone was foaming over, after you ****ed her chances are someone was right behind you bending her over as well. This didn't diminish your accomplishment of being the first, right? And even more importantly you layed the ground work for the next guy to come in a **** her and chances are he was more confident than he would have been if he was the first because the dude knows going in that if you play it right your gonna have the opportunity to split this girl open!

IT's the same with Tarver/Jones and Johnson. Tarver ****ed Roy first, that was awesome and no one can take away the fact that he was the first. Tarver showed Glenn that Roy is not this untouchable prissy *****, he showed Glenn that he is like any other girl or fighter out there...he's ****able. I agree with Jab whe he says that Glenn fought a different fight then he would have if Jones would have beaten Tarver. Basically the analogy holds up, Glenn saw that Jones could be ****ed like any other ***** out there and he went in with that mind frame and ultimately got some, granted they were sloppy seconds but who cares we have all been there!

Tarver is good because of his style. He sits back on that tall frame and looks to counterpunch. He isn't incredibly talented, but he fights perfectly for his build. On top of that he's got Buddy McGirt in his corner who is the best strategist in boxing. He'd be difficult for anyone to figure out. I think he stops Johnson between 7-9 on a fight changing counterpunch that Johnson walks into, especially if Johnson fights like he did against Roy.

Destroyed Roy? C'mon, let's not play favorites, he landed one good punch.

Destroyed Roy? C'mon, let's not play favorites, he landed one good punch.

he setup a perfectly executed counter punch you clown, that would have dropped (getting knocked out was all due to rj bs chin) tito, dlh, hopkins, tyson, lewis and anyone else if they had been the same weight.

he setup a perfectly executed counter punch you clown, that would have dropped (getting knocked out was all due to rj bs chin) tito, dlh, hopkins, tyson, lewis and anyone else if they had been the same weight.



http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/518/8902Tarver_JohnsonKoRJ.gif

Tarver got lucky with that counterpunch KO,while Johnson didn't need to counterpunch to dominate Jones Jr and knock him out.

KEYWORD:lucky

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/518/8902Tarver_JohnsonKoRJ.gif

Tarver got lucky with that counterpunch KO,while Johnson didn't need to counterpunch to dominate Jones Jr and knock him out.

KEYWORD:lucky

KEYWORD:Moron

KEYWORD:Moron


KEYWORD:Ignorant :rolleyes:

KEYWORD:Ignorant :rolleyes:

you killed it, the keyword joke had one life, its not funny after i mock you so you can't use it again :p

JP....

You seem too boxing savvy to get into that "lucky" punch ****.
C'mon.

Maybe Johnson was "lucky" that Tarver concussed Roy first ?
Think about it.

you killed it, the keyword joke had one life, its not funny after i mock you so you can't use it again :p


Poor baby,are you crying because I copied you?ah LMFAO!

JP....

You seem too boxing savvy to get into that "lucky" punch ****.
C'mon.

Maybe Johnson was "lucky" that Tarver concussed Roy first ?
Think about it.


Who was the first to win almost every round against Roy Jones?GLEN JOHNSON!See,theres a first for everything.

It looked to me like Tarver had his head down and his eyes closed when his punch landed on the button, I think he was as suprised as the rest of the world!

Johnson however took it to Roy from the opening bell and never let him breath. I really do like his chances against Tarver...

Who was the first to win almost every round against Roy Jones?GLEN JOHNSON!See,theres a first for everything.


Not my point. Now.....tell me you know there's no such thing as a lucky shot.

I'll root for Johnson when he faces Tarver.
He's one of those backbones-of-boxing type of fighters.
A guy who kept plugging until he hit paydirt.

Hey....maybe he'll beat Tarver....& then Bernard Hopkins can fight him again ?

tarver will make quick work of johnson, this better not be a friggin' ppv card. i just got my cable bill from last month and damn thing came out to 240bux.

I not sold on Tarver either. He needs to fight a solid fighter & I don't think it's Johnson. True Johnson is tough but in order to judge him, I would like to see him in there against someone who could push him to the limit. Maybe hopkins or Jeff Lacy when he's ready. Those would be some interesting matchups.

Antonio Tarver is NOTHING exceptional at all and thats a fact. He beat a tired not interested Roy and he knows it himself. Glencoffe Johnson will beat Tarver down in my opinion. Johnson brings a different kind of fight to the ring and that is a fight for survival. Tarver hasn't even got a good style to be honest. His reign will be short lived but he'll always get credit for been the first man to stop a tired old Roy plain and simple.

Antonio Tarver is NOTHING exceptional at all and thats a fact. He beat a tired not interested Roy and he knows it himself. Glencoffe Johnson will beat Tarver down in my opinion. Johnson brings a different kind of fight to the ring and that is a fight for survival. Tarver hasn't even got a good style to be honest. His reign will be short lived but he'll always get credit for been the first man to stop a tired old Roy plain and simple.

wez, (long pause, sigh) i have always enjoyed reading your posts. sometimes disagreeing with them, but non the less they are always good posts. i am not a big tarver fan and hope you are right about johnson. but i still don't think tarver is given the credit he is due. it gets old listening to people give excuses as to why someone gets beat by the better man. jones in my eyes was never the exeptional boxer. i guess its all opinions. i think johnson takes tarver out.

wez, (long pause, sigh) i have always enjoyed reading your posts. sometimes disagreeing with them, but non the less they are always good posts. i am not a big tarver fan and hope you are right about johnson. but i still don't think tarver is given the credit he is due. it gets old listening to people give excuses as to why someone gets beat by the better man. jones in my eyes was never the exeptional boxer. i guess its all opinions. i think johnson takes tarver out.

Tarver is NOTHING good at all. I do give him credit for been the first man to beat Roy but apart from that i see a very dark future unless he build up some defenses fighting bums and avoiding the real men. How much credit does someone need? He beat an tired and not motivated Roy. Roy was a exceptional boxing in my opinion, he made mandatory challengers look like novices. You don't do that if your nothing exceptional. You don't outbox a prime James Toney if your not exceptional. You don't beat a prime Hopkins if your not a cut above the rest. Thats just my take on things.

Just for the record i thought Roy did enough to beat Tarver the first fight. How anyone could think those stupid ****ing flurries at the end of each round could win it for him need to read the boxing rules very carefully.

Tarver is NOTHING good at all. I do give him credit for been the first man to beat Roy but apart from that i see a very dark future unless he build up some defenses fighting bums and avoiding the real men. How much credit does someone need? He beat an tired and not motivated Roy. Roy was a exceptional boxing in my opinion, he made mandatory challengers look like novices. You don't do that if your nothing exceptional. You don't outbox a prime James Toney if your not exceptional. You don't beat a prime Hopkins if your not a cut above the rest. Thats just my take on things.

Just for the record i thought Roy did enough to beat Tarver the first fight. How anyone could think those stupid ****ing flurries at the end of each round could win it for him need to read the boxing rules very carefully.

good enough. i respect your opinion. i just don't think b-hop was even close to prime. toney on the otherhand may have been but i never thought much of him either. as far as the 1st fight goes it could have gone either way.

Wez....

You're underrating Tarver.
Sure, the Jones he beat is not prime Roy Jones.....but I still think Roy would have handled any other 175lber but Tarver.
I believe Glen Johnson never beats Roy if Tarver doesn't.

Tarver is NOTHING good at all. I do give him credit for been the first man to beat Roy but apart from that i see a very dark future unless he build up some defenses fighting bums and avoiding the real men. How much credit does someone need? He beat an tired and not motivated Roy. Roy was a exceptional boxing in my opinion, he made mandatory challengers look like novices. You don't do that if your nothing exceptional. You don't outbox a prime James Toney if your not exceptional. You don't beat a prime Hopkins if your not a cut above the rest. Thats just my take on things.

Just for the record i thought Roy did enough to beat Tarver the first fight. How anyone could think those stupid ****ing flurries at the end of each round could win it for him need to read the boxing rules very carefully.

i also felt that roy did enough to get that win
he took control of the last couple rounds
plus all those flurries of tarver
they werent all solid connects
i think people just got caught up in the fact that he was being hit more then he normally gets hit
everyone was just really wanting to see roy finally loose
plus roy was nailen him with clean shots to the body through out the fight

Big Pappy....

At the time Roy beat Toney, you didn't think much of him ?

He was absolutely awesome at 168, at the time Roy beat him.

Roy won the first fight with tarver...but did get the worst of it in the punishment department.

That fight means nothing now....within less than two rounds, Roy was knocked silly by tarver.

The name of the game in boxing is knocking your opponent out.
If you guys think stepping in & concussing someone with one shot isn't impressive...

Wez....

You're underrating Tarver.
Sure, the Jones he beat is not prime Roy Jones.....but I still think Roy would have handled any other 175lber but Tarver.
I believe Glen Johnson never beats Roy if Tarver doesn't.

Maybe i am a little but it's how i feel. I don't like the guys style or talents to be honest and it's not just because he beat Roy. I just think he got lucky and needs to count his blessings that he fought a unmotivated Roy and that he did have slightly more skill to beat him. Johnson will beat Tarver, Tarver won't know how to cope with a raging heartful fighter.

i also felt that roy did enough to get that win
he took control of the last couple rounds
plus all those flurries of tarver
they werent all solid connects
i think people just got caught up in the fact that he was being hit more then he normally gets hit
everyone was just really wanting to see roy finally loose
plus roy was nailen him with clean shots to the body through out the fight

I agree 100%, you said it perfectly. People did want to see a great fighter lose and got all over excited over every single punch that Tarver threw.

James Toney was one of the more dominant super middles I have ever seen, if not the most dominant. Roy deserves all the credit in the world for completely outclassing a truly great opponent. It was the absolute perfect example of "styles make fights" Toney will never beat a guy that can out quick him and does not choose to come forward after him, that is just not in Toney's make-up as a fighter to overcome...it will happen again to him(not the outquicking part, but Vitali will be very resourceful, pound the jab in Toney's face and even backpedal while doing it, Toney will be behind on the cards and will be forced to attack, I just don't see Toney being able to change who he is as a fighter. Sorry for going off point.

James Toney was one of the more dominant super middles I have ever seen, if not the most dominant. Roy deserves all the credit in the world for completely outclassing a truly great opponent. It was the absolute perfect example of "styles make fights" Toney will never beat a guy that can out quick him and does not choose to come forward after him, that is just not in Toney's make-up as a fighter to overcome...it will happen again to him(not the outquicking part, but Vitali will be very resourceful, pound the jab in Toney's face and even backpedal while doing it, Toney will be behind on the cards and will be forced to attack, I just don't see Toney being able to change who he is as a fighter. Sorry for going off point.

Don't be sorry for going off point. It's how underprivilaged boxing fans learn more. James Toney was awesome back then and he has proved how flexible he is by progressing up in the wieght divisions.

Wez Toney is flexible to a point, yes he has moved up and made it look easy but I think people forget about his weaknesses. Granted his chin maybe the best in the game, he has good power that he has carried with him, his defense is absolutely first rate and his counterpunching abilities are second to None, no not you Michael. Anyways his glaring weakness is fighters that decide to not too go after him, Jirov made a huge mistake thinking Toney would fold, Holyfield made a huge mistake by attacking, both men fought Toney's fight. When a man like Vitali decides to be patient and resourceful with his shots and throw them from the right distance Toney will loose a lopsided decision, just like he did against Jones, like he almost did against Nunn we all remember Dave Tiberi. Overall I love Toney, but I think Vitali will be smart about this fight if it materializes.

Destroyed Roy? C'mon, let's not play favorites, he landed one good punch.

Right, he actually only landed 6 punches the whole 2 rounds.

Tarver is a good fighter....and he should beat Johnson. But lets not get carried away. Previous to the Jones fight, Tarvers best win was against Harding....Previous to that, Harding broke Tarvers jaw.

Johnson is a decent fighter also, but Tarver is a bit more complete.

Niether of these guys are what I would call "Great" fighters....yet.

I like the way Tarver uses his size...he seems to get no love simply because people don't like how he fights or how he talks. The difference that Johnson will see between Roy and Tarver is that Tarver is actually interested in winning. Johnson cannot come at Tarver the way he did Roy. Tarver will sit back on that big frame and counter punch Johnson all night until he drops. I hope Johnson comes through and beat Tarver but I don't think it'll happen very easily.

I like the way Tarver uses his size...he seems to get no love simply because people don't like how he fights or how he talks. The difference that Johnson will see between Roy and Tarver is that Tarver is actually interested in winning. Johnson cannot come at Tarver the way he did Roy. Tarver will sit back on that big frame and counter punch Johnson all night until he drops. I hope Johnson comes through and beat Tarver but I don't think it'll happen very easily.

I personally think the way he talks is the best part about Toney T. He is the type of guy that I think can get moderate fans involved in the sport because of the way he promotes/trash talks/articulate a fight. I agree with you the rest of the way.

Jones was definetly interested in winning.Why would he have such a flashy intro,talking about "Getting Back" and actually wear someone elses Gold Medal to the ring if he wasn't interested?I must admitt,Jones did show signs of uncertainty and wasn't as confident as he was before getting KTFO by Tarver.You gotta give Johnson credit though,regardless of R.J's mental state,Johnson came out in front of a R.J pro crowd and showed no fear as he pounded Jones until he finally knocked him out.

BTW,just because I think Johnson will beat Tarver,it doesn't mean I necessarily hate Tarver.I just think Johnsons experience and ring smarts will carry him to an easy Decision victory.

The thing is Tarver KO'd Jones in the second round of their rematch with a big left hand, Johnson dominated Jones throughout their fight and KO'd him in the ninth. Whoever can impose their will early on will be at a distinct advantage in this fight, the difference may be that Tarver can win it with one big left hand unless Johnson's chin is good, while Johnson will need to wear Tarver down

anyone who says tarver is not good is crazy. i think we will see him get better. i am not his biggest fan in fact i just like him as a fighter. he is not my favorite fighter. but he will show how good he is still. im not saying he won't lose though, cuz i think he can be beat!!