I don't mind paying up - a bet's a bet - but I'm just curious as to how you saw it.

114 - 113 for pacquiao... round one is so hard to judge..but i give it to pac..

114-113 for Pac, close talaga laban kahit sino sa 2 pwede. Props to Juanita kasi nakabangon pa nung round 3.


**** I won 300 bucks. :D

alang katalo-talo si Pac kahit binigay kay bakla yung rnd 12. :)
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hey mate dont quote me on this :D

i had marquez winning by a point, with so many close rounds.


thanks for the points again :D

I have Pac by a thin razor edge 114-113. :D

IMO JMM won it.

His counterpunches has provided him most of his scores. Obviously! Pac was overwhelmed.

Pac got the W because he was a superstar and a crowd drawer of the night.

I'm for Pac , make no mistake! And I'm HAPPY with the decision!


pero mga kabayan....simple word to put.......KONTRAPELO!

my 1 centavo.


Tago na ako!!!! lol

Thanks for your honesty, guys. Like I say, a bet's a bet, so I'm paying up what I owe, but I'd much rather feel I lost fair and square and say "well done", rather than feel I got cheated by a judge. I had £30 on JMM to win £53 as well.

I like Pac, but I felt embarrassed for him during some rounds last night... JMM's skills made him look amateurish at times.

I will be honest, I think we have not seen the best Pacman last night and we have seen a much improved, more durable Marquez. But what made the difference is the 3rd round KD and barrage that almost finished JMM. It was the most memorable moment in a most memorable fight, and that punch/KD was the clincher. It was JMM who got into real trouble in the fight (twice actually), even if MP had scary moments too. This is pro boxing and not amateur. In such a close fight, the one whose punches makes more impact wins, not the one who connects more. But having said all those, I actually still saw it 114-113, MP.

MP JMM
Round 1 9 10
Round 2 9 10
Round 3 10 8
Round 4 10 9
Round 5 9 10
Round 6 9 10
Round 7 9 10
Round 8 9 10
Round 9 10 9
Round 10 10 9
Round 11 10 9
Round 12 10 9

114 113

Round 1 was close but I gave it JMM, so was the last round but I gave it to MP. I think MP deserved the win, the belts, the recognition, and hey - the history in the making.:banana:

You gave rounds 11 and 12 to Manny?

I thought it was going to be another friggin draw.... I need to watch it again without any sound and distractions. Got the 500K though, thanks.

Thanks for your honesty, guys. Like I say, a bet's a bet, so I'm paying up what I owe, but I'd much rather feel I lost fair and square and say "well done", rather than feel I got cheated by a judge. I had £30 on JMM to win £53 as well.

I like Pac, but I felt embarrassed for him during some rounds last night... JMM's skills made him look amateurish at times.

Pac used Marquez style to beat him. At the beginning it was Marquez doing the counter punching and hitting Pac with good shots, then Pac became the counter pucher towards the later rnds and that helped him win the fight.

I will be honest, I think we have not seen the best Pacman last night and we have seen a much improved, more durable Marquez. But what made the difference is the 3rd round KD and barrage that almost finished JMM. It was the most memorable moment in a most memorable fight, and that punch/KD was the clincher. It was JMM who got into real trouble in the fight (twice actually), even if MP had scary moments too. This is pro boxing and not amateur. In such a close fight, the one whose punches makes more impact wins, not the one who connects more. But having said all those, I actually still saw it 114-113, MP.

MP JMM
Round 1 9 10
Round 2 9 10
Round 3 10 8
Round 4 10 9
Round 5 9 10
Round 6 9 10
Round 7 9 10
Round 8 9 10
Round 9 10 9
Round 10 10 9
Round 11 10 9
Round 12 10 9

114 113

Round 1 was close but I gave it JMM, so was the last round but I gave it to MP. I think MP deserved the win, the belts, the recognition, and hey - the history in the making.:banana:
we almost have the same score bro, except for the last round which i gave to JMM. hence the 114-113 win for JMM in my books.

round 11 was freakin close but i thought pac did enough to clinch that round, otherwise i would have had it 115-112 for JMM.

it was really a shallow victory for PAC, he may have the belts and may clinch his 3rd div belt, but i still feel its incomplete. well a win's a win, but surely i was hoping that his win would also win the respect of the fans and especially his opponent. twas really close and somehow, the question remains as who really won... and with those 2 bouts, i both have JMM winning by a slim margin.... (no bashing nuthugs :D im just expressing my opinion) :D

have a good day

I actually had Pac winning the first fight tbh.

Anorak asking a question like this is like asking a forum of fat yanks who won the war

we almost have the same score bro, except for the last round which i gave to JMM. hence the 114-113 win for JMM in my books.

round 11 was freakin close but i thought pac did enough to clinch that round, otherwise i would have had it 115-112 for JMM.

it was really a shallow victory for PAC, he may have the belts and may clinch his 3rd div belt, but i still feel its incomplete. well a win's a win, but surely i was hoping that his win would also win the respect of the fans and especially his opponent. twas really close and somehow, the question remains as who really won... and with those 2 bouts, i both have JMM winning by a slim margin.... (no bashing nuthugs :D im just expressing my opinion) :D

have a good day

you *****!!!!!
:lol1:

even though i'm a pac fans but i had this scoring infavor with JMM ---> 115-113

I will be honest, I think we have not seen the best Pacman last night and we have seen a much improved, more durable Marquez. But what made the difference is the 3rd round KD and barrage that almost finished JMM. It was the most memorable moment in a most memorable fight, and that punch/KD was the clincher. It was JMM who got into real trouble in the fight (twice actually), even if MP had scary moments too. This is pro boxing and not amateur. In such a close fight, the one whose punches makes more impact wins, not the one who connects more. But having said all those, I actually still saw it 114-113, MP.

MP JMM
Round 1 9 10
Round 2 9 10
Round 3 10 8
Round 4 10 9
Round 5 9 10
Round 6 9 10
Round 7 9 10
Round 8 9 10
Round 9 10 9
Round 10 10 9
Round 11 10 9
Round 12 10 9

114 113

Round 1 was close but I gave it JMM, so was the last round but I gave it to MP. I think MP deserved the win, the belts, the recognition, and hey - the history in the making.:banana:


halos pareho tayo aside from rounds 7 & 12. i gave pac round 7, round 12 to jmm.

IMO JMM won it.

His counterpunches has provided him most of his scores. Obviously! Pac was overwhelmed.

Pac got the W because he was a superstar and a crowd drawer of the night.

I'm for Pac , make no mistake! And I'm HAPPY with the decision!


pero mga kabayan....simple word to put.......KONTRAPELO!

my 1 centavo.


Tago na ako!!!! lol


tago ka na talaga he he he. seriously bro, i want to know how you scored it. here's mine...

1. 10-9 jmm
2. 10-9 jmm
3. 10-8 pac
4. 10-9 pac
5. 10-9 jmm
6. 10-9 jmm
7. 10-9 pac
8. 10-9 jmm
9. 10-9 pac
10. 10-9 pac
11. 10-9 pac
12 10-9 jmm

but by watching it on tv, there are of course so many limitations, mas accurate pa rin yung sa ringside ka mismo.

I thought JMM won. I didn't think Manny was active enough in the last two rounds to win it. Bot, it was close no doubt.

Maybe this close decison will pave the way for a third fight.

i'm happy that packy won...

but to be honest i had JMM by one round... i really felt he had done enough to win the fight... good thing i ain't a judge of the fight... :lol1:

after watching the fight again without sounds, i believe pac won that bout.
1,3,4,7,9,10,11 are pacman rounds, though yung 12 could not be a pac round.

funny, JMM camps are stating that you cannot win a bout with just 1 round(referring to the 3rd round) but really, pac won a lot of rounds clearly whereas marquez dominated rounds 8 n 12 only....

I had it a draw. Great fight.

Pac got the W because he was a superstar and a crowd drawer of the night.


** Yet you damn with faint praise.

Manny had a tough customer to be served. Manny is an unrepentant slugger made over into a boxer by Roach for just these moments. Manny matched the counters with counters, best I've ever seen him box and a far grade above what pinoy fanboys can see with all the mistyeyed adulation of Manny.

Most of the rounds were very tight, but at the end, Manny was the one making the fight. If you want to see a counter masterclass, go review Barrera/Morales 2 or Barrera/Naz. Marquez not in Barrera's class and Manny not only matched JMM counters, but was the lead in the fight and knocked him down again with JMM doing his zombie impersonation.

Cheerio now chaps........

after watching the fight again without sounds, i believe pac won that bout.
1,3,4,7,9,10,11 are pacman rounds, though yung 12 could not be a pac round.

funny, JMM camps are stating that you cannot win a bout with just 1 round(referring to the 3rd round) but really, pac won a lot of rounds clearly whereas marquez dominated rounds 8 n 12 only....

damn chad i rewatched it and gave the same rounds to pac as you did. the closest was rd1 and even if i gave it to jmm, pac still wins because of the KD.

Bros... share ko lang column ni "The Dean" sa Philstar

Why castigate Manny?
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Thursday, March 20, 2008

It is appalling to find some Filipinos casting doubt on the integrity of Manny Pacquiao’s win by split decision over Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas last Saturday.

Like the sourgrapers in Marquez’ camp, they’re insinuating Top Rank chairman Bob Arum did a sleight of hand to protect his hefty investment in Pacquiao by loading the judges panel with personal choices. Marquez’ supporters claim the Mexican should’ve won because the punchstats show he landed more blows.

Allow me to raise three points to clear the air on this issue.

First, the record will establish that both Pacquiao and Marquez gave their thumbs-up on the three judges who were assigned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. In fact, one original choice Bill Flaherty was replaced on Pacquiao’s instance because he is Roach’s family friend. He was subbed by Tom Miller, 48. The two other judges were veterans Duane Ford, 70, and Jerry Roth, 66, whose reputation for fairness is unassailable. Ford has been a judge since 1978 and Roth, 1982. They’ve been involved in major world title fights before so working last Saturday’s fight was not an unfamiliar experience.

Miller has been a judge since 1996. By the way, it was recently disclosed that in his personal scorecard, Flaherty scored it 114-113 for Pacquiao, the same as Miller. So the verdict would’ve been the same even if Flaherty had not been replaced.

* * * *

Second, it must be explained that punchstats are a summary of total blows thrown and connected, broken down into jabs and power shots. Just because a fighter connected more punches on an accumulated basis doesn’t necessarily mean he won. Remember that punchstats show totals from the start of the fight to the end and a bout is judged from round to round, not by an accumulation of blows landed.

For instance, a fighter may take a round with a comfortable margin and receive a 10-9 count from the judges. If his opponent wins the next round by a slim margin, he also receives a 10-9 count. If you total the punches connected in the two rounds, one fighter will have the edge. But in the judges scorecards, it will be dead even. That’s how it is in boxing. You judge round by round, not by an accumulation of total punches connected at the end of the fight.

In the punchstats for last Saturday’s fight, Marquez landed more blows, 172 to Pacquiao’s 157, and was more accurate, 34 percent to 25 percent. Pacquiao, being the aggressor, threw more blows, 619 to 511 or a huge difference of 108. Some judges give a lot of credit to aggressiveness because after all, boxing is a combative sport.

In terms of jabs, Pacquiao threw 314 to Marquez’ 201, but landed only one more, 43 to 42. The figures proved that Marquez didn’t really jab as much as he was supposed to, averaging less than four connections a round.

In power punches, Marquez landed 130 of 310 compared to Pacquiao’s 114 of 305. The difference of 16 in connections is insignificant, considering the length of the fight or 12 rounds.

It is therefore not accurate to base the outcome of a fight on punchstats which do not break down into rounds.

* * * *

Third, the judges’ scorecards didn’t show major disparities. They scored the first round for Pacquiao – which The STAR did, too. They also scored the third, fourth and 10th for the Filipino. Additionally, they were unanimous in scoring the second, fifth, seventh, eighth and 11th rounds for Marquez.

The judges differed only in scoring three rounds – the sixth, ninth and 12th. In the sixth, Miller and Roth gave it to Marquez and Ford to Pacquiao. In the ninth, Miller and Roth scored it for Pacquiao and Ford to Marquez. In the 12th, Ford had it for Pacquiao while Miller and Roth saw it for Marquez.

So the discrepancy in scoring was far from being an eternity. From the scorecards, it’s clear that the difference was in the knockdown that Pacquiao produced in the third round because it meant a 10-8 count or a two-point cushion. In a close bout, a knockdown could be the decider and it was in last Saturday’s fight.

If Pacquiao had not decked Marquez but won the third round anyway, it would’ve been a split draw just like the outcome in their first fight. If Marquez won the third round, he would’ve won by majority decision.

Don’t forget that Pacquiao should’ve won the first meeting by a split decision four years ago. Burt Clements, the judge who had it a draw, admitted he made a mistake in shortchanging Pacquiao by a point in the first round when Marquez went down thrice but under boxing rules, the scorecard couldn’t be altered after the fact.

So if you really think about it, Pacquiao has effectively beaten Marquez twice.

The problem with some Filipino fans is they’ve been spoiled by Pacquiao and expect nothing less than a spectacular knockout in each of his fights.

Marquez is a tough opponent and because of his style, will always be difficult for Pacquiao to handle. Pacquiao could’ve done more things to win convincingly last Saturday – he could’ve used the right hand more, he could’ve hit and spun like he did in the second and third Erik Morales fights, he could’ve cut the ring off with more authority on Marquez to close the distance between them, he could’ve jabbed more, he could’ve attacked the body more consistently, he could’ve used more lateral movement instead of insisting on coming forward linearly.

There are so many other “could’ves” to cite but the fact is two of the three judges scored it for Pacquiao and he won, fair and square. Pacquiao earned the victory because he fought with the bigger heart, came back strong in the late rounds and every Filipino should be proud of his achievement in becoming the first Asian to win three world titles in different divisions. He bled for every one of his countrymen, he took Marquez’ hardest shots without backing down. You couldn’t ask anything more from a hero.

so...I might saw it PAC won, some might saw otherwise but the three judges scored it as they saw the fight.

So IMHO Pac won... next fighter please :D

watching it now... tell you the scores later...

i thought initially that the fight was a draw right after the match. watched it just now (withot sounds as well) and i had pac winning 114-113. My scorecard:

Pacquiao/Marquez

Round 1 - 10/9
Round 2 - 19/19
Round 3 - 29/27
Round 4 - 39/36
Round 5 - 48/46
Round 6 - 57/56
Round 7 - 67/65
Round 8 - 76/75
Round 9 - 86/84
Round 10 - 96/93
Round 11 - 105/103
Round 12 - 114/113

Natatawa na lang tuloy ako sa mga nagdiscredit kay Pac (especially the ever skeptic Recah Trinidad) sa pagkapanalo nya. Evenly matched talaga yung dalawa.

Astig na talaga yung kanan nya, automatic na rin na bumibira basta may pagkakataon. Isa pa pala, dun sa round 3 din nung last few seconds, dapat isa pang KD yung tinawag kasi humawak si JMM nung patumba cya. Judgement call siguro ng referee pero sana mas reinforced yun sa mga susunod na laban kasi lugi naman din yung nagbubuhos ng lakas para ma KD yung kalaban. :D

Natatawa na lang tuloy ako sa mga nagdiscredit kay Pac (especially the ever skeptic Recah Trinidad) sa pagkapanalo nya. Evenly matched talaga yung dalawa.

Astig na talaga yung kanan nya, automatic na rin na bumibira basta may pagkakataon. Isa pa pala, dun sa round 3 din nung last few seconds, dapat isa pang KD yung tinawag kasi humawak si JMM nung patumba cya. Judgement call siguro ng referee pero sana mas reinforced yun sa mga susunod na laban kasi lugi naman din yung nagbubuhos ng lakas para ma KD yung kalaban. :D

iyong anggulo ni bayless is different than the one we're seeing noong kumapit si marquez, plus it was so quick... tingin ko hindi niya nakita. tangina nilang lahat, basta nanalo si manny sa records wala akong pakialam kung ano'ng tingin ng iba..... lmao.

iyong anggulo ni bayless is different than the one we're seeing noong kumapit si marquez, plus it was so quick... tingin ko hindi niya nakita. tangina nilang lahat, basta nanalo si manny sa records wala akong pakialam kung ano'ng tingin ng iba..... lmao.
bilang isang nuthug, masakit sa mga mata natin na kinukutya si idol manny... pero tama ka, sa mga hindi naniniwala kay Manny PUTANG INA MO JOARTCC!!!

syet, carried away, sowee... :D