I just watched this old program on youtube called Eubank vs Benn best of enemies. It was hosted by johnathan ross it was advertising there 2nd fight in 1993. In part 4/4 they go to via sat to ask mickey rourke about the fight. Then after he talks beside him is james toney the IBF super middleweight champion at the time. He begins to rip into the both of them by saying he could take both of them and other crap saying he is much better. I wish he did fight one of them because i think Eubank would of gave him a boxing lesson and benn would of really kicked the crap out of this big mouth. What do you think???????????????????????

IMO Toney beats them both, Eubank gives Toney more problems.

Benn was pretty much tailor-made for Toney.

I wish he did fight one of them because i think Eubank would of gave him a boxing lesson and benn would of really kicked the crap out of this big mouth. What do you think???????????????????????

I think Toney would have made Benn look even worse than Watson made him look. Benn couldn't hurt or probably even hit Toney and would have taken him out in about six rounds. Anyone with a decent chin or defense who could box could beat Benn. It really would have been Watson vs Benn all over again but much worse. Toney was a better fighter than Watson, especially at Supermiddle where he had a lot more stamina and was able to fight for three minutes of each round instead of one or two.

Easy win for Toney as Benn really was the perfect fighter for him to look absolutely brilliant against. Constant winging power shots with no real thought at defense. Toney would've come straight up the middle and blown Benn apart on the inside where Benns power would be completely negated by Toneys short, sharp uppercut, left hook, right hand counters. Too fast, too smart, too good.

Toney against Eubank would have been closer but again I think Toney had the necessary speed, defense and counter punching skills to beat Eubank. He would have caught him a lot with his great counter right hands which Eubank was open to a lot. It would have been a close but clear UD for Toney.

Again, to use Watson as an example, Eubank had a lot of trouble with Watsons speed and defensive capabilities. He struggled to really get to him well and unlike Watson, Toney would not be KO'ed or hurt. He had good stamina at SMW and Eubank would've been caught a lot when he would lunge in with that right hand of his which Toney was brilliant at countering with his own right. Good fight though.

I think Toney would have made Benn look even worse than Watson made him look. Benn couldn't hurt or probably even hit Toney and would have taken him out in about six rounds. Anyone with a decent chin or defense who could box could beat Benn. It really would have been Watson vs Benn all over again but much worse. Toney was a better fighter than Watson, especially at Supermiddle where he had a lot more stamina and was able to fight for three minutes of each round instead of one or two.

Easy win for Toney as Benn really was the perfect fighter for him to look absolutely brilliant against. Constant winging power shots with no real thought at defense. Toney would've come straight up the middle and blown Benn apart on the inside where Benns power would be completely negated by Toneys short, sharp uppercut, left hook, right hand counters. Too fast, too smart, too good.

Toney against Eubank would have been closer but again I think Toney had the necessary speed, defense and counter punching skills to beat Eubank. He would have caught him a lot with his great counter right hands which Eubank was open to a lot. It would have been a close but clear UD for Toney.

Again, to use Watson as an example, Eubank had a lot of trouble with Watsons speed and defensive capabilities. He struggled to really get to him well and unlike Watson, Toney would not be KO'ed or hurt. He had good stamina at SMW and Eubank would've been caught a lot when he would lunge in with that right hand of his which Toney was brilliant at countering with his own right. Good fight though.

That's right! That video on Youtube when Toney blasts both Benn and Eubank is 'Gold'!LOL Both these guys were scared to fight against Toney. Toney would have done the old school sh*t on both Benn and Eubank and would just be way too slick making them constantly miss with his Zen like awareness. Rolling with punches while landing his vicious right counters, combining cute skills with serious power and using his sturdy chin in close quarters.

Toney's says in his interview with FightFan.com that Benn & Eubank are cowards for not fighting him and that he's going thru the same thing now with the Russians like what he was going thru with the English, the Europeans are scared to fight him!

Just watched Toney v Sosa on DVD which was a helluva fight! Although Toney schooled him considering it was a SD. Sosa is a tough S.O.B, he always kept coming at Toney landing some big bombs on Toney also. No wonder Roy Jones insisted Sosa come in under his normal fighting weight!

As stated, Benn's style is tailor made for Toney, Toney would win an easy decision or score a late stoppage, his counters would be too much for Benn.

A fight with Eubank would be closer because of how good Eubank was technically and how smart he was in the ring but ultimately Toney has a more complete package and would have won a decision.

Toney's says in his interview with FightFan.com that Benn & Eubank are cowards for not fighting him and that he's going thru the same thing now with the Russians like what he was going thru with the English, the Europeans are scared to fight him!


** I don't know many who get their jollies listening to an old, fat, punchdrunk middleweight fill up his shorts.

Nobody wants to fight him anymore than they want to fight Tyson. Once Roy exposed him he went into his chicken bucket funk. Had Nunn not been a crackhead, he would've been better trained and more disciplined. Toney couldn't do squat with him until the last two rounds when Nunn started running out of steam.

Both Benn and Eubank at their bests would beat him, but like Two Ton, they sometimes weren't at their bests so throw the dice. If Toney was as good as you say, he wouldn't need steroids and he wouldn't be punch drunk. They've been propping him up to squeeze money out of his blubbery carcass because he did have a name after Jirov, but he blew it by becoming waddling fat.

Toney takes Benn apart big time.

Toney-Eubank is a lot closer, and although I rank Toney higher without a doubt, I think that Eubank gives him all sorts of problems.

** I don't know many who get their jollies listening to an old, fat, punchdrunk middleweight fill up his shorts.

Nobody wants to fight him anymore than they want to fight Tyson. Once Roy exposed him he went into his chicken bucket funk. Had Nunn not been a crackhead, he would've been better trained and more disciplined. Toney couldn't do squat with him until the last two rounds when Nunn started running out of steam.

Both Benn and Eubank at their bests would beat him, but like Two Ton, they sometimes weren't at their bests so throw the dice. If Toney was as good as you say, he wouldn't need steroids and he wouldn't be punch drunk. They've been propping him up to squeeze money out of his blubbery carcass because he did have a name after Jirov, but he blew it by becoming waddling fat.

Stop hating, man! The ****er might a filthymouth fatso, but he still was a great fighter.

And the part in bold is simply bull****. Toney started catching Nunn, earlier than in the last two rounds.

Stop hating, man! The ****er might a filthymouth fatso, but he still was a great fighter.

And the part in bold is simply bull****. Toney started catching Nunn, earlier than in the last two rounds.

Well said wmute! Toney ducked no one! Toney's class against Nunn was evident with Toney doing the job on him in the championship rounds which defines why Toney's a Champion. Toney fought Nunn, McCallum, Jirov, Sosa, Johnson, Jones, Williams. And also granted them rematches. I get a sense of sour grapes from London, of course he's an Englishman who's sticking up for his fighters!

Nobody can knock Toney as a fighter! You either love him or hate him. It's been clearly stated that Toney never meant to have drugs in his system for Ruiz fight. He was taking medication for a torn tricep muscle. Toney definitely didn't have the muscley, ripped body you get from taking steroids. As with the second test the CSAC found it to be inconclusive thus halving suspension. Also there's strong speculation that somebody had tampered with Toney's water bottle.

Toney didn't need drugs when he was putting his opponents away fair and square for 20 years so why the hell would he need them now?

two of my favorite all time middleweights, i've been waiting to see this thread for a long time. i love nigel benn, but i don't see any way he beats james toney, i don't think he'd be able to land a clean punch on toney. nigel gets lots of **** for the watson fight, but the truth is, he didn't really train for watson because he thought it'd be an easy KO and instead spent the day before the fight sitting in a chair for 10 hours getting dreadlocks. if he had trained, though, watson probably would have still outboxed him.

eubank isn't as good of a boxer as toney, like the other guy said, prime toney is a complete fighter, prime eubank is not. toney wins by decision

Well said wmute! Toney ducked no one! Toney's class against Nunn was evident with Toney doing the job on him in the championship rounds which defines why Toney's a Champion. Toney fought Nunn, McCallum, Jirov, Sosa, Johnson, Jones, Williams. And also granted them rematches. I get a sense of sour grapes from London, of course he's an Englishman who's sticking up for his fighters!

** Nonsense.

Happen to be well aquainted with the BIG MAN himself who Holy and TwoTonToney have been ducking for years, our beloved Lourde Audley.

Unfortunately the Big Man has temporarily suspended activities after he KOed his BMW in a rash moment of temper, injuring his arm. Privately called out the two pants boys for years not wanting to embarass them and watched The Man throw them all the title chances which they are never up to the scratch for. What, maybe good for 10 punches a round between the two of them?

Don't know what you chaps all on about, but I've been privledged to glimpse the future, and best cast your chips Lourde Audley's way lest you end up in some hobo camp warming up black market steroid solutions for your two rumpled pants boys.

Cheerio now and remember, you've been forewarned, advised really, just step away from the koolaide, a new refreshment is near.:trink26:

Christ mate! Sounds like you've got a few issues there, as most British seem to have, when it comes to talking about who Benn might beat. I think I've heard at various times that he would've beaten everyone and anyone from Monzon and Hagler through to Ali and Ray Robinson. lol

Seriously though, Watson exposed Benn badly and whoever said he didn't train for it mustn't have remembered how huge that fight was and how important it was for both fighters. They both were in amazing shape but Benn absolutely blew his load trying to KO Watson in the first five while taking massive counter punches the whole time until he realised that it wasn't going to happen and then just took a couple too many until getting TKO'ed.

Toney would have made Benn look a bit amateurish. To beat Toney at SMW you either had to have the super freak speed and skills of Roy Jones or the .... err ...well, actually thats about it. Benn certainly didn't and while Eubank was better than Benn I still don't think he was good enough to beat Toney. He was always very open to right hands and Toney had one of the best counter rights and right leads I can think of. His jab also would have been a big weapon against Eubank.

IMO Toney beats them both, Eubank gives Toney more problems.

Benn was pretty much tailor-made for Toney.

Toney beats Benn I agree, but Eubank steps it up against better class opposition, something that Toney certainly DOES NOT an early 90's eubank would take an early 90's toney IMO.

As most have pretty much said, Benn was made for Toney. Eu on the other hand, I'd have to watch more of his fights. From what I've sen he looks like he could pose some problems for Toney, as he was very cautious and could box.

toney beats eubank imo and nigel but he beats nigel more badley.

Toney beats Benn maybe if the Benn that fought McClellon turns up tough night for Toney.

But remember Toney when stepped up to true world class he struggled got a gift draw against a 154lb McCallum lost to Jones.

He beats Benn but Eubank was unique no-body whoops Eubank he had a jaw as good as Toneys and a similar skill set. Again depends on the Eubank the low out put Eubank would lose the Eubank that fought Benn twice would beat Toney who is easily frustrated.

Toney beats Benn maybe if the Benn that fought McClellon turns up tough night for Toney.

But remember Toney when stepped up to true world class he struggled got a gift draw against a 154lb McCallum lost to Jones.

He beats Benn but Eubank was unique no-body whoops Eubank he had a jaw as good as Toneys and a similar skill set. Again depends on the Eubank the low out put Eubank would lose the Eubank that fought Benn twice would beat Toney who is easily frustrated.

Got a gift draw against McCallum? You kidding right? Mate, you must not have seen their fight if you think Toney got the gift draw! McCallum was the one who got the gift, and a big gift it was! It was a great fight and they are both two of my favourite fighters and let me tell you I have watched all of their fights a number of times. That first one Toney was screwed over getting only a draw. Watch it again.

What do you mean when Toney stepped up to true world class? Toney stepped up when he beat the number one pound for pound fighter in the world in Nunn. Most people had him at the numero uno spot. He beat a lot of good fighters and then lost to Jones when Jones was at his highest form. There is most certainly no disgrace in losing to Jones then...after all, no one beat him.

Anyway, I agree about the 'nobody whipps Eubank' part. He was a great fighter who would have given anyone problems in his prime. The thing is, and if you know Eubank you must have seen his fights with Watson, he did have trouble with fast, highly skilled counter punchers. His second fight with Watson is how I imagine a fight with Toney would go. Similar anyway. Toney would be able to catch Eubank with constant right hand counters which Eubank was very open to...His tendency to drop his hands would be a bad move against Toney. Eubank would be out-boxed I think as he had a fair bit of trouble against skilled boxer who could also fight on the inside which is exactly what Toney was absolutely brilliant at.

Great fight though. I really do believe Toney would dominate Benn and KO him mid rounds. Toney vs Eubank would be a really stunning fight though as Eubank was always up for a good, hard fight but I simply know that Toney had the style to beat Eubank. He would have had a lot of trouble with his fast hands and counter punching when he would lunge in. Thats what he struggled with against Watson and Watson was beaten at that by McCallum and McCallum was beaten at that by Toney. I know thats not always how things work but they all had quite the similar fight types to beat each other.

I see Eubank takin Toney. Toney never looked as good when he stepped it up (He was losing to Nunn and i though he lost to McCallum) but i think he would be too slick for Benn who could be a bit wild.

Being British im inclined to go for the British lads. Unfortunately i can't see how either of them could have beat James Toney. Boxing wise Eubank had a better chance, but i could still see him getting totally outclassed by the Old School master boxer James Toney. Benn always had a punchers chance of course, but unless he landed one of his massive shots early, i think Benn would have taken a pretty bad beating.

At dinners, Benn says Toney would have been a harder fight than the Watson and Eubank losses but says he'd have beaten him with a two-fisted body attack if he laid on the ropes. He says Toney would have been in for hell regardless because when he wasn't laying on the ropes he was standing in front of you. Someone mentioned Watson stood in front of him and beat him, he said Watson tucked himself and he punched himself out. Someone mentioned Toney's shoulder rolling, and Benn said he could punch the angles Toney was moving his upper body into, from range and in combination. He also considered Toney 'all mouth' for the most part.

Eubank thinks Toney would have out-worked him and probably beat him on points.

I think Benn was tailor-made for Toney.

Eubank had a TERRIFIC stiff jab. A Eubank-Toney fight would 100% depend on whether Toney could read it to avoid and counter because otherwise he would be grinded down.

Why did the Toney-Benn or Toney-Eubank fights never happen anyway? Is there a reason?

Toney beats both... Eubank was tough and would last the distance while Benn would get KOd

Why did the Toney-Benn or Toney-Eubank fights never happen anyway? Is there a reason?
The winner of Toney Jones supposed to fight the winner of Benn McClellan, Toney lost and moved up to LHW. Eubank months later tired of Toney's mom insults said that," if Toney could get down to SMW again he would fight him." I think its during the post fight talks after the Eubank-Wharton fight. I dont know what happened after that, like whether there were serious talks or not. It would of been a great fight as well maybe like :Toney-Nunn

The winner of Toney Jones supposed to fight the winner of Benn McClellan, Toney lost and moved up to LHW. Eubank months later tired of Toney's mom insults said that," if Toney could get down to SMW again he would fight him." I think its during the post fight talks after the Eubank-Wharton fight. I dont know what happened after that, like whether there were serious talks or not. It would of been a great fight as well maybe like :Toney-Nunn

by then it was too late, james couldn't make 168 anymore, he had trouble making 175

Toney Ko`s him late.

Why did the Toney-Benn or Toney-Eubank fights never happen anyway? Is there a reason?
As the TP points out, Toney called them both out on a live TV link.. I don't have access to it but i bet someone on here has?..
The reason I remeber this is because I found Toney highly amusing, and some of what he said, I used to have on my sig - "I'll whoop you, I'll whoop ya brothers, I'll whoop ya Pappa and I'll even whoop ya Momma too!"..
Benn and Eubank were on there to pitch one of their fights (the 1st one, I think) and were right in the middle of trash talking one another when they suddenly beamed in Toney, who didn't waste a second in machine gunning them with a tirade of abuse which left them both dumbfounded as they pretended to ignore it - Eubank exclaiming, "The man'th jutht ignorant!" So there could be an argument that they avoided him..

As the for the matchups, i'm in agreement that Benn would'a given Toney some wobbly moments before getting stopped in a similar way to how Michael Watson did it.. Toney would take a lot of his bombs on the arms and shoulders.. Benn through very few straight punches, so he wouldn't have had too much difficulty getting on the inside of Benn as he tired.. Toney TKO 8-10

Against Eubank, would definitely be a distance fight.. Neither were KO specialists, and both had ATG chins.. I also think that he could have been Toney's 'Griffin' at SMW..
A chess match of a fight, with Eubank's slightly better conditioning and cleaner punches eeking out a SD..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nVy3hkcQuI

Eubank wouldn't of beat him at the time

Pre-Watson fight though and I think it would of been an amazing fight, I'd favor Eubank because i'm somewhat of a fan lol, could of gone either way though.

Benn again would of been a hell of a fight but think he would take too much of a beating from Toney, late TKO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nVy3hkcQuI
Thanks.. I enjoyed that

toney ducked both benn and eubank