Ok, with Tyson-Holyfield III taking up a large part of the boxing news i decided to watch their fights and see How holyfield won. Now please remember tyson is my favourite fighter but i think of myself as an unbiased fan, for instance i dnt rate him as number 1 or think he would destroy some1 like foreman.

From the first fight i gatherd this. Round 1 Tyson started of brilliantly and rocked holyfield with the first punch, evander then started tieing tyson up and gave a good account of himself. The second round was either even or went holyfields way. By the 4th and 5th round Tyson was starting to show more dominance, he rocked holyfield got in some clean shots. The commentators are talking about how holyfield has tierd and tysons strength has taken its toll. Round 6 tyson again started off well, until the headbutt, tyson was cut. He got nervous and the crowed were making it clear whos side they were on he rushed in and got caught off balance. This was the downfall of the fight, and the unoficial score card had tyson ahead wen he was cut. So i ask you to watch this fight, watch it as though u have never seen it before and tell me whether u think im right? or you think im being an idiot lol!

Once this is discussed we can move on the II and the possibility of III

Holyfield certainly used his 'head' in that fight against Tyson, literally.

Tyson should've given a better account of himself in the rematch but he f***ed it all up when he couldn't keep himself mentally together for 3 rounds.

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Of course, all the blame for the headbutts shouldn't be placed on Holyfield's shoulders because Tyson had a habit of rushing in with his head himself.
Holyfield always ducked low with his head so Tyson would rush into it.

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But Holyfield knew how to do bend the rules like every great fighter does.
He even said after the Tyson fight that he does what he has to do, legal or not.

Very true, accidental or not. I think it changed the outcome of the fight, not im not saying tyson never broke the rules. But i cant remember him breaking them and then the outcome of the fight turning in his favour. It IMO changed the outcome of that fight, tyson (not at his best) was comming into the fight and starting to become dominant. But it also shows mentaly tyson wasnt as good, he tried to rush it and got worried and fased by the crowd. Im not sure if Rooney could have calmed him, but its a possibility

after the first fight during the interview Tyson admitted that he had butted Holyfield as well, it was the people in his corner putting that **** in mikes head ie: John Horn, either way Holyfield will make mike quit, Tyson doesnt like to fight any more and Holyfield still wants the title bad big problems mike faces being that his heart isnt in it, and if Holyfield can avoid getting hit early Mike will quit again after 4 rounds.

Yeh your probably right about the outcome of the III fight. But the headbutt changed the 1st fight, if you can i recommend u watch it. I never really noticed it before, but Tyson panics.

I thought Tyson only won the 5th round in their first fight. Some others were close. He won it be throwing a few combinations and Holyfield went quiet, maybe hurt by a good body shot.

Holyfield knew that Tyson would throw single shots and took advantage of that by countering well, and his timing was great. He knew as the fight grew on Tyson would get more tired and throw less.
IMO it wasnt so much the cut as it was the knock down/slip. Tysons confidence just drained away at that point.

I thought in the rematch before he waa cut Tyson looked better, sharper. But the best shots he threw were after the 2nd ear bite. He waves Holyfield in and throws a wicked shot to the body.

A 3rd fight is a total farce. Tyson is done, Holyfield has the desire but is way too old.

In their first fight Tyson was ahead on 2 of 3 scorecards after 5 rounds. And the butt came in the 6...i think Mike looked tired and disorganized after the butt in the 6 round.

However there was a big change In Tysons career this night. He did not only loose, but Tyson was very static and diddnt nearly move hes head or hes body like he did before he went to prison. I also think that Tysons handspeed in this fight wanst nearly as good as in hes prime.

The 3 round in the rematch was a very good round. i remember Tyson had a left hok-right hand combination wich was amazing, and the next second he bit him. unbelivable, but hes a legend.

that fight was the most early boxing memory I have

Holyfield weathered the storm early, took pretty much every shot Tyson could hit him with and was punching back, mentally that must have been discouraging for Tyson and then Holyfield connected with that headbutt and the fight turned around after that.

Ok, with Tyson-Holyfield III taking up a large part of the boxing news i decided to watch their fights and see How holyfield won.

** It seems like you got it covered pretty well.

Tyson had the advantage in an action packed bout until just falling apart from seeing his own blood. Didn't quit outright, but it took the edge off he needed to wage a tough battle and made him feel sorry for himself like some toddler might. The 2nd fight he was also doing quite well until the butts made him lose composure again. I felt the butt in the first fight was accidental, but in the 2nd, Holy was definitely out to use his head because he saw how rattled Mike got the first fight.

That's just the fight results. The real reason Holy won was because of their recent ring histories and the burden of expectations. Tyson had less than 8 rds of ring experience the previous 5+ years, not nearly enough to prepare for a really tough customer. His opponents, with the exception of Bruno, were not quality boxers to shake the rust off. The McNeely fight turns out to just be the first in a series of farces that represent what he'd become, a mentally ill ex-con being propped up with meds, acting out in the ring for incredible amounts of money and media interest.

The expectation was that Tyson was still in his prime and that Holy was shot. There were fears about Holy's life. We all know that's why King made the fight, a cakewalk for Mike. When reality bit everyone on the ass, everybody scrambling around for another bandwagon, and that became Holy, the face, and Tyson the heel. WWE could only dream they could ever have a star like Tyson.

Most every post prison fight marred by his actions both in and out of the ring, a drama queen, not a boxer anymore, although his natural talent was so prodigious that he could still ooh and aah the public that pays to see trainwrecks.

Credit to Holy for his part in making the first fight a classic on many different levels, but he was fighting a greatly diminished fighter who was not a well man. If we also follow Holy's career forward from here, it seems everyone was correct, the guy well past his best, many just dreary performances with an occasional burst here and there which deludes him into thinking he can still do it. Add in all the steroid accusations around him, well, that fight and his career starts to make more sense.

Mentally Tyson cannot fight any more. He's dangerous for one rd, and then just loses interest, plus looks to be 300+ these days. Holy can barely throw a punch anymore unless the fighter stands in front of him, but if they want it, it will happen somewhere. Russia's booming and it would be big stuff there and symbolic of Russians helping out poor beleaguered Americans who can barely help themselves these days it seems, and with Holy's standing as a recent "title" contender, maybe dig up some title like the Russian Orthodox Boxing Organization, ROBO belt.

Truth much stranger than fiction because it's real.

Ok, with Tyson-Holyfield III taking up a large part of the boxing news i decided to watch their fights and see How holyfield won. Now please remember tyson is my favourite fighter but i think of myself as an unbiased fan, for instance i dnt rate him as number 1 or think he would destroy some1 like foreman.

From the first fight i gatherd this. Round 1 Tyson started of brilliantly and rocked holyfield with the first punch, evander then started tieing tyson up and gave a good account of himself. The second round was either even or went holyfields way. By the 4th and 5th round Tyson was starting to show more dominance, he rocked holyfield got in some clean shots. The commentators are talking about how holyfield has tierd and tysons strength has taken its toll. Round 6 tyson again started off well, until the headbutt, tyson was cut. He got nervous and the crowed were making it clear whos side they were on he rushed in and got caught off balance. This was the downfall of the fight, and the unoficial score card had tyson ahead wen he was cut. So i ask you to watch this fight, watch it as though u have never seen it before and tell me whether u think im right? or you think im being an idiot lol!

Once this is discussed we can move on the II and the possibility of III

I agree I had Tyson ahead jst before the cut he seemed to be settling into a rhythm then bang he went to pieces as soon as he got cut. I have heard people saying that Tyson was completely out classed but I don’t agree he was jst ahead going into the 6th, I think it does show though that Tyson was not mentally strong by this point.

tyson if he was a mentally strong fighter he wud of beeen the best but he fell apart

I think that with all the hoopla that surrounds/ed Mike in his boxing career, one thing has been nearly completely missed...

Under Cuss he became a defensive genious. If he didnt knock those guys out with 1st or 2nd attacks, he could go 12 rounds without hardly being hit.

For a guy his size, he was freakishly explosive in all parts of bodily movement. In the Danny Williams fight, he boxed a little on the back foot, but not too far away, simply ducking away from shots and coutering with 2 punch combinations. He did it 2 or 3 times, his power evident. Then there was a moment when he idd his knee and the fight was done.

In the McBride fight he simply went after a big fat bum and tried to knock him out like he did when he was 21.

Its very obvious that he isnt the explosive tank that he was back then... but what he still is, is naturally quicker than most HVs out there, with a better punch.

Now my theory is, and its just mine, im not trying to convert anyone... (so dont rip into me on this:) is that if he got himself into shape, and trained to fight conservatively, ducking weaving and counterpunching, for 12 rounds, he could be a contender again. (Im not saying anything like hel batter Klitschko, but he may be pretty good..)

Maybe now, his more peaceful state of mind, what seems like a slightly calmer preception of the world, and dire financial situation will be the motivation for him to get in serious shape, drop the weight and train to be like what I said above.

Im not holding my breath, but while hes in debt and still under 45... theres always a slim chance... so I am hopeful. (not of a 250 pound mike getting pounded and quitting after 4 rounds somehwere in russia... but of what i mentioned above:))

Would obvuiously like to hear some thoughts on this, and if theres anybody who thinks anything similar...

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The first fight, was really a good fight. Tyson was so strong and aggressive, he came out so hard. Holyfield had a good plan, and stuck to it, he worked the body, made sure to not be backed up, he pushed Tyson around, used a good left jab, and made sure to hit, and hurt Tyson. Tyson did indeed get some good licks in, but in the end just was the worse for wear, and took the heavier punishment. Awesome fight, &what a night for boxing. I was jumping up and down when Mike went down in the 5th from that off balance body shot.

Thanks for the opinions people. Its weird, it had been drilled into me that Tyson was outclassed in the first fight, but wen u watch it properly u realise that is not the case. As for Tyson - Holyfield III, i would love mike to win, but i just cant see it happening, even if he does get in shape he hasnt fought for almost 3 years.

Tyson is never beating Holyfield, peak or not. He does not like being pushed backward and taking dozens of punches each round and thats Holyfield's game. It takes Tyson out of his game because he is use to being the aggressor. Evander is a machine that never stops coming and i can't see Mike holding up mentally. Tyson likes to be the bully and Holyfield has always proved that hes the bully.

I see the third fight being similar to Willams/Tyson or McBride/Tyson. Where Tyson puts in effort in the first three rounds until he gives up. Holyfield has more in left in the tank. Physically and mentally. Holyfield TKO 4 in the end of their trilogy. (If it happens)

Tyson is never beating Holyfield, peak or not. He does not like being pushed backward and taking dozens of punches each round and thats Holyfield's game. It takes Tyson out of his game because he is use to being the aggressor. Evander is a machine that never stops coming and i can't see Mike holding up mentally. Tyson likes to be the bully and Holyfield has always proved that hes the bully.

I see the third fight being similar to Willams/Tyson or McBride/Tyson. Where Tyson puts in effort in the first three rounds until he gives up. Holyfield has more in left in the tank. Physically and mentally. Holyfield TKO 4 in the end of their trilogy. (If it happens)


I agree that Holyfield beats him now, and a 34 year old Evander sure seemed to have a 30 yo Tyson's number, but do you think that Evander (at any point) would have beaten a 22/23 year old Mike?

I agree that Holyfield beats him now, and a 34 year old Evander sure seemed to have a 30 yo Tyson's number, but do you think that Evander (at any point) would have beaten a 22/23 year old Mike?

Yes, Tyson is used to being the aggressor and Holyfield does not allow him to do that. Tyson needs to be pushing his opponent back in order to be comfortable. Holyfield's work rate would be too much for Tyson's heart to handle. When the momentum is not in his favor, then he will lose confidence.

Tyson would look better an opponent that is trying to out box him, then he will be fighting his fight and doing what he is used to. Holyfield/Liston/Ibeabuchi,Foreman/Tua/Frazier ect would all be too much for him because they will not fight his fight and back him up.

The selfish part of me wants to see Tyson fight again, but mostly, I want to see him stay in retirement, and in a few years, be inducted into the international boxing hall of fame, and never get hit for money again.

Tyson-Holyfield III?...The general consensus is that Holyfield has more left, and stops Tyson again, but much sooner than the 1st fight. Holy has been pretty active, and has fought a few decent fighters, and hasn't had trouble going 10-12 rounds, he hasn't been busted up, can still put combinations together pretty well, and move on his toes for an entire fight, his conditioning for an athlete his age is impeccable. Mike has been out of the ring for a while, and in his last bout, despite what his trainer &himself had to say about his conditioning, he had a hard time after 3 or 4 rounds, and ultimately got frustrated, and decided to call it a night after getting pushed around and beat up a little, in a fight he could have won. I would love to see Tyson back in the the ring, in great shape, ready to go 10 tough rounds, but I don't see that happening, he's 41 years old, and has been out for to long.

Wow, some ridiculous comments here. Despite Tyson knocking out a bunch of nobody's after prison, he would never be the fighter he was under Rooney. Besides all that, I think he took Holyfield too lightly. Holyfield, even though going through his own troubles, remained active all those years Tyson was locked up. At this point you can throw in all the right strategies Holyfield used to neutralize Tyson's power, but that was just a fraction of what helped him win that fight. Tyson was also in just as good of shape as he was against Douglas, which isn't saying much. Hopefully some of you will someday realize that there is much more to boxing than boxing. Tyson lost what he had long before the Holyfield fights, and if they fight a third time, Tyson gets knocked out again. He has no chance what so ever.

a third fight could go both ways. Holyfield is nothing compared to what he used to be also, hell, he got koed by James Toney.

If it goes later rounds Holyfield still probably has it in the bag, but for the first 3 rounds if he gets tagged or injured things could be looking good for mike.

Holyfield is more like his old self, than tyson (if his last fights are anything to go by) Its no coincidence that the losses on his great record are at the end of his carrer. His Last 12 fights : 5-5-0-2(NC).(5KOs)

Holyfields last 12 fights : 6-5-1(2KOS).

Actually looking at it like that, holyfield should get the **** out of Boxing!

kevin mcbride, he lost to kevin mcbride, anything is possible.

If the fight was made as a four round exhibition I could see Tyson winning on points over this distance! Not that this would mean much!

He looked good against Williams for three rounds, had a good couple of rounds early on against Lewis and was surely ahead after four with Mcbride.

The reason why Tyson has not adapted to fighting well into the twilight years of boxing is because he has always tried to fight early on with a high pace, characteristic of his early years. The reason George Foreman and Archie Moore fought well into their forties was because they lowered their punch rate per round and conserved energy over the distance of the fight.

I will be watching the fight if it happens, the lure of a Tyson fight is always interesting!