I watched back to back last evening the battle between both Hopkins / Tito and Hopkins / DLH. Who do you guys think by comparing these two fights performed better against B. Hopkins? Oscar or Felix?

I'd say Oscar because he had his moments in the fight. Trinidad was absolutely dismantled. Tito was able to get in good shots but Hopkins would always do more. Hopkins was just the much better fighter and only allowed Trinidad to throw one shot at a time. Tito would throw a punch and Hopkins would counter with two or three shots and get out of the way. He also neutralized the lefthook entirely. Most of Tito's work came from bodyshots and even Hopkins admitted his ribs were sore after the fight.

Trinidad....

Because he fought a better Hopkins....& there was always that air of danger for Hopkins.
There was no chance of Oscar hurting Bernard.

Hopkins was more tentative than he needed to be against Oscar. Had he come out & went right to work, even just a little more, he'd have shut Oscar right down.

Also...Oscar folded right up once the heat got turned on..whether it was by choice or by force....he's weak either way.

In my opinion had Hopkins come out after Oscar that would of been better for Oscar who really wanted to stick and move. He did what he should of done against Oscar and that was to stay back and allow Delahoya to gain confidence and start becoming the aggressor so he can counter. There were times when Oscar would come in and Hopkins countered quick and Oscar had a shocked look on his face. I knew they were baiting Oscar in when Bouie told Bernard "He's starting to come now".

I'd say Oscar because he had his moments in the fight. Trinidad was absolutely dismantled. Tito was able to get in good shots but Hopkins would always do more. Hopkins was just the much better fighter and only allowed Trinidad to throw one shot at a time. Tito would throw a punch and Hopkins would counter with two or three shots and get out of the way. He also neutralized the lefthook entirely. Most of Tito's work came from bodyshots and even Hopkins admitted his ribs were sore after the fight.

I agree with you.

Tito, at least he fight till the 12rd.

Tito, at least he fight till the 12rd.

It hurt me to see Tito lose but he took a beating for 12 rounds.

Oscar landed less significant punches against Hopkins than did Trinidad.

Seriously...Oscar's effectiveness the other night has been greatly exaggerrated.

I still say Oscar did better because he was at least able to win some rounds against Hopkins. If Hopkins would of stepped it up a little maybe Oscar would of been shut out but that's not what happened. There were only two close rounds in the Trinidad fight and even those went to Hopkins in my opinion.

I still haven't seen the fight so I'm waiting for the encore. However, I strongly believe that no one could have done worse than Tito.

jack....
Oscar folded as soon as Hopkins stopped playing.
If you don't consider Oscar a bigger ***** than Tito after that....I just don't know whether it's homosexuality or stupidity that has you not thinking....

Looks like someone is getting a little hostile.. Like I said, I've yet to see the fight, so I'll call it when I see it.

Oscar was on his way to getting beat but it was a good bodyshot that took him out not because Hopkins was punishing him.

DLH did better. DLH took some early rounds and was always compatetive while Tito didn't win a round and was pretty beaten to a pulp.

Jay Leno: Were you holding back in the fight?

Bernard Hopkins: No I just couldn't catch him, he was too fast.

Hopkins desrcibing his fight with DLH

I'd say Oscar did better but I didn't think he had any chance of winning...Tito always (in my opinion) had a chance to unload that 2 handed punching power on Hop and KO him. He just couldn't execute. I think Tito had a more realistic shot at beating Hop than DLH did.

I dont think Tito ever had a shot either. Beranrd Hopkins has an iron chin

tito did poorly and took a beating. oscar won a fair amount of the rounds and i had it scored 5-3 hopkins. had dlh not have been stopped he could have pulled it out on the judges cards.

I dont think Tito ever had a shot either. Beranrd Hopkins has an iron chin

So you're telling me Tito never had a shot to KO Hopkins? If Tito were to catch 'Nard in that fight with a big left hook we would seen a different fight. If DLH caught him Hop would have shaken it off easily. It's reasonable to say that Tito always has a shot at knocking out whoever he fights including Hopkins. DLH could never knock out Hop unless someone put cement in his gloves.

If Echols and Roy Jones couldn't hurt Hopkins then Tito wouldn't be able to.

Yes I know Echols knocked Hopkins down but that punch came on a break and Hopkins was not hurt and just got up and continued to whoop his ass.

Tito never had a shot at a KO

I respect your opinion jose...good point about echols and jones...but I still think Tito has better power in both hands than those two. Echols was more powerful overall and Jones is Jones but Tito's punching power in both hands ranks up there. You hate Tito don't you? :D

well my Mexican blood does make it difficult to side with a Puerto Rican , but in this one im just calling it like I see it. I have never seen Hopkins rocked in a fight and he has shown nothing but an iron chin.

I just dont see anyone rocking him especially someone who came up from 147.

147? you mean 130lbs, DLH did alot better than alot though he would, I for one had the fight even going into the 9th, if anyone here has not seen it, when you watch try to score the fight and let us know how you had it by the 9th. Now as far as tito /DLH vs Nard, I am going to say DLH, yeah tito was always coming and never backing up which cost him the KO, other than that I bet that had Nard landed that shot top the liver on Tito ,he aswell may have folded up too, but hey you never know. Hopkins is a must see middle weight, look foward for him fighting,Winky or Mosley or Mayorga

no 147 I was talking about Tito being able to rock Hopkins not DLH

Tito did waaaaaaaay better than Oscar!

First off, did Oscar even land a clean blow? Maybe a jab here and an arm punch there, but he never landed a good punch.
Tito was landing his punches at a moderate rate, and they where not weak punches either.
Hopkins didn't even have to work that much in his fight with Oscar, but with Tito he fought his ass off.

Plus De La Hoya was screaming like he got raped, nuff said.

hahaha

oh ok

I see someone is a little bias

Tito do have awsome power at 160 ask Joppy about it.Tito never caught Nard with a big hand.I heard a joke of DLH,heard he had diarrhea on that fight and when Bernard Gave him that punch he **** his pants and couldn't get up.LOL

dude of course most people will say dlh..but remember hopkins set him up for it...between round is trainer even said ok it working he starting to come in more now...

damn what a smart fighter..gave oscar confidence so when oscar later in the fight came in thinking he was stil on top..hopkins started landing more and finally koing him
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By no means i am i trying to be a tito nuthugger or take away from his win..but you guys do know why tito wants a rematch right

tito was helping at a lot of homeless centers after the 9-11 attack..and he didnt train i thin it was a whole week before the fight cuz he was helping..thats why he saids he wants a rematch just to prove to himeself the if he loses it will be at his best

recently his exact words were" i am not trying to make people feel sorry for me ..or take away from hopkins win over me that night..this is for me..i knwo i was not at my best..and want just one more shot..as week speak hopkins is still mad cuz even after dlh fight he has not gotten respecy he wants..well hopkins here it is"

tito on hopkins bloack in first round-"i know it was a plan all along thats why i was surprised i kept saying to myself..even mayorga would get past that defense..then he started getting better as rounds past"

hahaha

oh ok

I see someone is a little bias


But if you read the examples I wrote, you will find everything to be true. That is what I based my assesment on.

My conclusion:
Doing something and paying for it(Tito) is better than doing nothing and paying for it(DLH).

Although Oscar was KO'ed by Hopkins quicker, at least he managed to win some rounds along the way. Tito was the victim of what was basically a clean sweep up until he got knocked out. Oscar was doing some decent things in the ring- he was just by far the weaker man. Tito had no answer whatsoever for what Hopkins was doing to him- by that logic I think Oscar performed better.

As far as doing better against B-Hop I have to say Oscar showed the better skills. But when it comes to heart and determination then I have to say Tito. To me those will always make a true champion. Yes B-Hop dismantled Tito but never once did he give up trying to land the big Left hook. Never once did he stay down on the canvas. Tito always got back up, Tito didn't quit in his fight against B-Hop. While DLH quit, I really don't believe Hopkins has the power to KO someone with a body shot.

i have to say oscar fought better, he looked better in handling his ass whoopin. tito got stomped on for 12rds. and hopkins made him look bad...**** he even made him retire, really, his last fight was a chump just to get a win and then retire. hopkins really sent him there....now he's back. i think it will be short lived, but who knows....

You don't have to extreme power to KO someone with a body shot but Hopkins hits alot harder than he gets credit for. Delahoya didn't quit in the ring. You all act like you have never seen someone get hit from a good body shot before.

i have to say oscar fought better, he looked better in handling his ass whoopin. tito got stomped on for 12rds. and hopkins made him look bad...**** he even made him retire, really, his last fight was a chump just to get a win and then retire. hopkins really sent him there....now he's back. i think it will be short lived, but who knows....


Oscar took a body shot, & went down....after rounds of tedium between the two.

Explain how this is better than a man who kept coming, with KO power in his hands, until he was DRIVEN into the ground ?

Oscar didn't DO a damn thing against Hopkins. Nothing.
If you guys were impressed with that early stuff......damn.

I'll say this about the style match ups, both Trinidad and Delahoya made Hopkins approach the fight differently from his normal fight. Bernard was very cautious about his fight with Trinidad. After all Trinidad had just destroyed the number 2 man in the division. He forced Hopkins to box and move to avoid being hit from the lefthook. He fought an almost picture perfect fight with very little mistakes. Especially against the ropes where Trinidad would of been his most dangerous. Hopkins backed up on the ropes on his own accord and did some of his best work. In one round he made Tito come to him and countered him with a quick right hand. Seconds later he did the same thing. It was just brilliant to watch. It was also hard to watch since Tito is one of my top two favorite fighters of all-time. I have to admit though it was a masterful performance.

With Delahoya he had to fight more intellegent. If he had came out and rushed Oscar I think he would been countered punched alot and look very bad doing it. He knows his legs couldn't keep up with Oscar's. So what did he do? He laid back and waited for Oscar to get enough confidence to start move forward and he started doing the counterpunching. He lost some rounds early but it was a smart move on his part. He wouldn't have to move as much and would be able to clinch and bully Oscar a bit when he got close enough. In round 7 and 8 Oscar started to move more but still he wasn't moving enough to where Bernard couldn't get to him. In the 9th round he threw a very good bodyshot to stop Oscar.

"In the 9th round he threw a very good bodyshot to stop Oscar."


See....I think he threw an ORDINARY body punch to stop Oscar.

It was a good shot that he set up. Oscar was to busy worrying about slipping the right hand and left his body exposed and Hopkins took advantage with a lefthook to the liver. I'll take Hopkins word when said he heard Oscar lose his breath after he landed the punch. I know people are saying Oscar took a dive or he could of got up or whatever but I think that takes away from Hopkins victory.

I am a Hopkins fan. But, I think it was a very questionable-looking punch.
Oscar was also overly-defensive, without being questioned on it, about the issue.

I truly believe he felt like he fought long enough, well enough...& got himself out of there unscathed.

So you're telling me Tito never had a shot to KO Hopkins? If Tito were to catch 'Nard in that fight with a big left hook we would seen a different fight. If DLH caught him Hop would have shaken it off easily. It's reasonable to say that Tito always has a shot at knocking out whoever he fights including Hopkins. DLH could never knock out Hop unless someone put cement in his gloves.

Tito has one of the hardest left hooks in history. Ring Magazine published a magazine a year ago that listed some of the hardest hitters within the sport of boxing (Surprising DLH was not listed). I think B. Hopkins has the hardest head in history. All bone up there about 6 inches thick. ;)

I think he was being more defensive because he had to. Hopkins was starting to really turn it on. I don't think the fight was fixed or Delahoya just gave up. You have to remember that Delahoya is a fighter and fighter with alot of pride in my eyes. When everybody sees him they say he's a pretty boy or he's got movie star looks but I have never heard Oscar say he was going to be a movie star and I think the media should really stop saying that. They praise him one line and the next line they say all that stuff. He's a fighter and always has been. Yeah he made a mistake against Trinidad but he admits it. I don't think he would lay down that easy.

I'm talking about him (Oscar) being defensive in the interview.

I'm talking about him (Oscar) being defensive in the interview.

What were they asking him?

Wow....Oscar won some rounds.
Wait, Hopkins gave him those rounds.

At least Trinidad pressed the fight, HAD SOME SPIRITED EXCHANGES, posed a threat, & WENT OUT LIKE A FIGHTER !

What were they asking him?


Mic...

That's what I'm talikng about...they asked him NOTHING, & he was emphatic about how he has the heart to get up.
Why ? Because he was feeling GUILTY.

All he said was he tried to get but he couldn't. If you watch the fight you can see he makes an effort to get up but went back down. That wasn't acting he was in pain.

No, he said more than that. Check it again.


I can't believe that just-O.K. punch left an in-shape, world class fighter in that much pain.
When Gatti BLASTED Dorin, did Dorin roll around, writhing in pain ?

That a hard question. Hopkins overestimated Oscar, which isn't bad, better safe than sorry. But Oscar got knocked out 3 rounds earlier than Tito. But Tito got a beat down mostly throughout. I'd have to say, Tito had a better performance against Bernard. Hopkins fought the fight he should have fought against DLH against Tito and Tito droppped in the 12th still trying to fight hard. Hopkins started to bring the fight to Oscar later than usually and Oscar didn't last very long.

No, he said more than that. Check it again.


I can't believe that just-O.K. punch left an in-shape, world class fighter in that much pain.
When Gatti BLASTED Dorin, did Dorin roll around, writhing in pain ?

It was more than just an OK punch. The punch landed good. He didn't turn the punch over completely but it was far from a slap or whatever else people want to call it. It doesn't matter how good of shape a fighter is in if they get hit to the body good especially to the liver they can go down. When Oscar got hit he went down holding his side and when he tried to get up he fell back down and rolled over to his side. It's not like Kenny Bayless reached the ten count and he sprung up he was down for awhile. A lot of the older fighters have always said that a shot to the liver is the worst punch to get hit with.

u ****in ignorant *****es that say dlh sucks

have u forgot about his wins against PERNELL WHITAKER, ike quartey, arturo gatti, fernando vargas,julio caesar chavez, jesse james leija, hector camacho, miguel angel gonzalez,Rafael Ruelas, ETC.

Oscar De La Hoya is a very great fighter. He is one of my favorites. I can't wait to see his next fight.

u ****in ignorant *****es that say dlh sucks

have u forgot about his wins against PERNELL WHITAKER, ike quartey, arturo gatti, fernando vargas,julio caesar chavez, jesse james leija, hector camacho, miguel angel gonzalez,Rafael Ruelas, ETC.

We have not forgot, or are saying DLH sucks because obviously he may be the greatest figher in this era. But this is about his fight with big bad Bernard.

And tell me, what did DLH do in the Hopkins fight that impressed you?

Oscar took a body shot, & went down....after rounds of tedium between the two.

Explain how this is better than a man who kept coming, with KO power in his hands, until he was DRIVEN into the ground ?

Oscar didn't DO a damn thing against Hopkins. Nothing.
If you guys were impressed with that early stuff......damn.

i really don't give a ****, and i wasn't impressed. i said dlh looked better in getting his ass whooped. dlh was suckered into gainning confidence and then was ko'd.. tito was beat every round and looked confused,and embarassed, until he was stopped and daddy came to the rescue........so chata!!!

Tito, at least he fight till the 12rd.


more like got beaten up till the 12th.

De La Hoya performed better than Tito. He at least was able to fight on even terms with Hop for 4 or 5 rounds. He won some rounds. Although his punches didn`t carry the power Tito`s did, at least he landed a few ( did Tito land any?? ).
If Oscar had been at middleweight for 2 or 3 years he may have been able to last the distance, even make things interesting on the scorecards. As for Tito, he was Hopkins ***** in that fight.
Robert Allen did better in his fight with Hop, Echols did better too!

I'd say that Tito had the better fight against Oscar.....one of the main reasons being that Tito wasn't dropped until the final round, and wasn't hurt until...what was it the 10th or 11th when he was stumbling right before the bell? Oscar had no chance of hurting Bernard, his punching power that night was.....eh, not anything to be concerned with. Besides that, when Bernard started feelin more comfortable in the fight Oscar started was starting to get roughed up. Tito took some ill shots from Bernard and kept tryin to bring it. Oscar took some good shots and started backin up instead of tryin to follow like he was doin at first.

oscar made a better fight

against trinidad, hopkins never trailed the whole fight. from round 1 to the last it was tito who played catch-up. tito, on his part, threw hard punches, but hopkins seemed ready for them. he was not stunned and he countered with heavier punches. and hopkins was more accurate against trinidad than he (hopkins) was against oscar.

like trinidad, dela hoya went toe-to-toe against hopkins. i even believe that prior to that round where he (oscar) was knocked out, he was ahead of points (against hopkins) and BH had a sense of urgency. hopkins was rather unprepared for dela hoya than he was against tito. it was dela hoya who controlled the fight.

but of course, hopkins emerged as the better fighter in the end.

oscar is the second fighter that has won more than 3 rounds against Hopkins since Hopkins lost his last fight.

I dont know if Hopkins let oscar win to give him confidence or not but Oscar did alright up until he got hit with the body shot.

The trinidad fight wasnt even a fight, it was a jail rape.

The only thing worthy of comparison is

Trinidad was KOed in the 12th round after an accumulation of punches

De La Hoya was beaten by a shot to the arm and he went down in tears

Trinidad remains the better fighter

DLH won more rounds. Its not that difficult.

He lasted fewer

I watched back to back last evening the battle between both Hopkins / Tito and Hopkins / DLH. Who do you guys think by comparing these two fights performed better against B. Hopkins? Oscar or Felix?

i really dont like Oscar
i doubted his heart untill i saw him
fight B-Hop
he really fought like a man
and well we all know how the Tito Fight went

well yeah Tito faught more rounds but he won less rounds that oscar and oscar faught less

Why do you all hate so much on both of these fighters? It's just a matter of style. Oscar uses his head, and should not be dissed for it.

Tito uses grit, and that's fine too.

I personally would say Oscar did better because at least with his brain and footwork he was able to look good at times. However, I can respect someone's opinion who disagrees. I cannot respect someone's opinion who totally disses either fighter, saying things like "Tito got raped" or "DLH fought like a *****".

Ridiculous.

what are you talking about man????? Tito uses his head when he boxes.















He blocks with it

i think tha same

speaking of hopkins fight dident the delahoya body shot look fake??

Trinidad performed better.

Oscar won some rounds because Hopkins was tentative. And that argument that being aggressive will play to DLH's favor? Hell NO!!!

The moment Hopkins concluded that DLH has nothing in him to be cautious of, Hopkins became aggressive and put up the pressure.

What happened?

Dela Hoya folded like a butterfly stung by a bee.