when will he run and chicken peck through another fight

He's too busy whining about how he was winning the fight, how it was a punch and not a headbutt, how the 4th round should have been scored 10-7 and not 10-9, and how Nady should have penalized Wlad a point for clinching.

He's too busy whining about how he was winning the fight, how it was a punch and not a headbutt, how the 4th round should have been scored 10-7 and not 10-9, and how Nady should have penalized Wlad a point for clinching.


i have always said that TOS is trash, even before the Mesi microwave bout.

What is this crap about running-he was moving about as fast as my 85 yr old granny blame Wlad for being Mr. Punch Scared and just lumbering and following him around like a retard the whole fight.

What is this crap about running-he was moving about as fast as my 85 yr old granny blame Wlad for being Mr. Punch Scared and just lumbering and following him around like a retard the whole fight.

Except for the fact that Wlad more than 100 punches more than TOS and landed in a 3-1 ratio over TOS.

Except for the fact that Wlad more than 100 punches more than TOS and landed in a 3-1 ratio over TOS.

I cant believe people thought the fight was close, and that TOS wants a rematch. Yes, it was boring, and a ****ty fight. And yes Wlad outlanded TOS 3-1, no way the fight was close, and no way does TOS deserve a rematch.

That's what happens when you let your blind hatred of a fighter get in the way of you objectively judging a fight. I really need to repost the punch stats. This is not a close fight:

Klitschko
J P T
1) 8/28 9/12 17/40
2) 7/26 8/12 15/38
3) 8/35 6/6 14/41
4) 10/24 17/24 27/48
5) 12/28 3/4 15/32
T) 45/141 43/58 88/199

TOS
J P T
1) 1/9 3/5 4/14
2) 5/11 3/7 8/18
3) 4/10 0/4 4/14
4) 4/8 6/21 10/29
5) 4/10 0/1 4/11
T) 18/48 12/38 30/86

That's what happens when you let your blind hatred of a fighter get in the way of you objectively judging a fight. I really need to repost the punch stats. This is not a close fight:

Klitschko
J P T
1) 8/28 9/12 17/40
2) 7/26 8/12 15/38
3) 8/35 6/6 14/41
4) 10/24 17/24 27/48
5) 12/28 3/4 15/32
T) 45/141 43/58 88/199

TOS
J P T
1) 1/9 3/5 4/14
2) 5/11 3/7 8/18
3) 4/10 0/4 4/14
4) 4/8 6/21 10/29
5) 4/10 0/1 4/11
T) 18/48 12/38 30/86


88 to 30? damn. that is overwhelming. haha TOS, go fight Cedric Boswell or something, haha, or Ray Austin! :D

It sounds like you want a some TOS merchandise.

http://www.tosboxing.com/all_fed_up.htm

He's too busy whining about how he was winning the fight, how it was a punch and not a headbutt, how the 4th round should have been scored 10-7 and not 10-9, and how Nady should have penalized Wlad a point for clinching.
Touch of Stiff is a bum. But him crying about the scoring in that fight is about as ridiculous as him complaining about having too much vaseline on his legs.

Can you believe this whiny touch of **** wants 20 bones for a tshirt. Thats like buying John Kerry Merchandise or
as bad as voting for John kerry!!!!!!

Yeah it is rediculous. Almost as bad as him linking to ESB and not BoxingScene.

I never said TOS fought an entertaining fight. But Wlad did nothing to add to the excitement except land the occasional straight right hand. Wlad fought a C class opponent like a little girl-he's the definition of gun-shy. TOS came into the fight with the plan of a 5 year old:
-Wlad has stamina issues, run the first 3-4 rounds, then step up the attack etc. And Wlad completly obliged him, and was getting tired at the end of the fight and even got knocked down. Don't blame TOS b/c Wlad can't dispose of a 36 yr old fringe contender . . .

Williamson-Wlad was a meaningless fight....at least it should have been. It should not have been discussed beyond the Monday morning that followed.

But, because Wlad Klit could not make this fight the mismatch it should have been, it's still getting "debated".

Shame on this supposed "future great".

I never said TOS fought an entertaining fight. But Wlad did nothing to add to the excitement except land the occasional straight right hand. Wlad fought a C class opponent like a little girl-he's the definition of gun-shy. TOS came into the fight with the plan of a 5 year old:
-Wlad has stamina issues, run the first 3-4 rounds, then step up the attack etc. And Wlad completly obliged him, and was getting tired at the end of the fight and even got knocked down. Don't blame TOS b/c Wlad can't dispose of a 36 yr old fringe contender . . .

How does a C class opponent come into the fight ranked 6 by the WBO, 11 by the IBF, and 10 by the WBC? How was he getting tired as well? I must have missed that part.

Williamson-Wlad was a meaningless fight....at least it should have been. It should not have been discussed beyond the Monday morning that followed.

But, because Wlad Klit could not make this fight the mismatch it should have been, it's still getting "debated".

Shame on this supposed "future great".


Who would have seen it coming up until the night of the Sanders fight? i thought Wlad was destined for greatness as well.

How does a C class opponent come into the fight ranked 6 by the WBO, 11 by the IBF, and 10 by the WBC? How was he getting tired as well? I must have missed that part.
You're using the rankings of sanctioning bodies to prove TOS is credible? he got KO'd by Willie Champman (didn't he shoot Lennon?) and Baby Slow Joe Mesi.

These are the same groups who have been known to have DEAD FIGHTERS ranked in their top 10.

If that's your proof, once again, you've failed. You don't know much about boxing do you?

That was his 4th fight when he got TKO'd by Chapman. He may not be as good as the rankings would have us believe, but he is not a C level fighter.

That was his 4th fight when he got TKO'd by Chapman. He may not be as good as the rankings would have us believe, but he is not a C level fighter.
LOOOOOOOOOOL. DaVarryl is horrible. he's increibly sloppy.

This isn't because of the Klit fight. I thought Mesi would KO Williamnson inside of 5 rounds. And I think Mesi is dog****. Mesi destroyed him in one, which makes TOS in my mind 5 times worse than I ever thought.

4th pro fight or 40th, he got KO'd by Willie Chapman. that's pathetic.

of course, DaVarryl is one of the few boxers I've seen get knocked out cold as an amateur with those bigger gloves and the headgear. Felix Savon put him in a coma.

DaVarryl getting Ko'd in his 4th fight has ntohing to do with it being his 4th fight. It has to do with not having a chin.

LOOOOOOOOOOL. DaVarryl is horrible. he's increibly sloppy.

This isn't because of the Klit fight. I thought Mesi would KO Williamnson inside of 5 rounds. And I think Mesi is dog****. Mesi destroyed him in one, which makes TOS in my mind 5 times worse than I ever thought.

4th pro fight or 40th, he got KO'd by Willie Chapman. that's pathetic.

of course, DaVarryl is one of the few boxers I've seen get knocked out cold as an amateur with those bigger gloves and the headgear. Felix Savon put him in a coma.

DaVarryl getting Ko'd in his 4th fight has ntohing to do with it being his 4th fight. It has to do with not having a chin.

Well regardless of how good or bad his chin is, its better than Shufford's, so that's not saying much Shufford. How is Mesi dog****? Mesi would be a top 5 heavyweight if he wasn't for his bleeding of the brain. If Mesi is dog****, then that makes Monte Barrett, James Toney, and Jirov also dog****, and I don't think that that's the case.

TOS isnt tht bad, he was using a strategy people, what did you expect him to go right at wlad in the first round? why would he do that when the whole world knows, except for some of you that he runs out of gas in the mid rounds. he would have kayoed wlad before that fight was over, i dont care if wlad landed a 1000 punches to tos's 1, 1 punch is all it would have took in the late rounds, he knocked him down with ease in the 3rd round

Yes he may have a stamina problem, but I've never seen him exausted when his opponents no pressure on him.

Yes he may have a stamina problem, but I've never seen him exausted when his opponents no pressure on him.

perfect example of your statement=the mercer and mccline fights, even they were more active against wlad, you dont see them asking for rematches.

perfect example of your statement=the mercer and mccline fights, even they were more active against wlad, you dont see them asking for rematches.

Yeah the saddest thing about that is that you are right. McCline was more active against Wlad than TOS was. I remember Merchant talking about McCline in the 10th round saying, "Sometimes an athlete just doesn't know when he isn't trying."

Well regardless of how good or bad his chin is, its better than Shufford's, so that's not saying much Shufford. How is Mesi dog****? Mesi would be a top 5 heavyweight if he wasn't for his bleeding of the brain. If Mesi is dog****, then that makes Monte Barrett, James Toney, and Jirov also dog****, and I don't think that that's the case.
Jirov was a cruiserweight who looked like crap in his other 2 fights as a heavyweight. As a crusierweight, Jirov is a top 3 fighter. Monte Barrett is a good test for any fighter, but he's not a top level heavyweight. He's borderline B/C level at best.

The fact that Mesi got knocked down and almost beat by that guy is sad. Wlad beat Barrett the way a true top heavyweight is supposed to beat a guy of B/C level. He brutalized him. Barrett didnt' win a round. That's what a top 5 heavyweight does with Barrett. you don't have a competitive match and get knocked down by a guy who can't punch, which is what happened to Sloppy Joe Messy

Unfortuantely for Wlad, that was 2 years ago? Wlad doesn't not have that same confidence when he fights. Getting knocked out does that to fighters (as well as realizing you don't have a chin). Same thing happened with Michael Grant, though Wlad was 10 times more skilled. If you don't have the chin and the heart to match your skill, your skill don't mean ****

Can you believe this whiny touch of **** wants 20 bones for a tshirt. Thats like buying John Kerry Merchandise or
as bad as voting for John kerry!!!!!!


lol!!! that **** was funny

Jirov was a cruiserweight who looked like crap in his other 2 fights as a heavyweight. As a crusierweight, Jirov is a top 3 fighter. Monte Barrett is a good test for any fighter, but he's not a top level heavyweight. He's borderline B/C level at best.

The fact that Mesi got knocked down and almost beat by that guy is sad. Wlad beat Barrett the way a true top heavyweight is supposed to beat a guy of B/C level. He brutalized him. Barrett didnt' win a round. That's what a top 5 heavyweight does with Barrett. you don't have a competitive match and get knocked down by a guy who can't punch, which is what happened to Sloppy Joe Messy

Unfortuantely for Wlad, that was 2 years ago? Wlad doesn't not have that same confidence when he fights. Getting knocked out does that to fighters (as well as realizing you don't have a chin). Same thing happened with Michael Grant, though Wlad was 10 times more skilled. If you don't have the chin and the heart to match your skill, your skill don't mean ****

This just in todays heavyweight division is trash, so you don't have to be that great to a be a top fighter which is one of the main reasons why I refuse to count Wlad out. What about the fact that Mesi outboxed Jirov to a greater extent than Toney could?

This just in todays heavyweight division is trash, so you don't have to be that great to a be a top fighter which is one of the main reasons why I refuse to count Wlad out. What about the fact that Mesi outboxed Jirov to a greater extent than Toney could?

Did you watch these fights? Jirov put relentless pressure on Toney like I've never seen before but it wasn't very smart of him because James wanted that. Jirov looked unenthused and uninterested against Mesi until the final 3 rounds or so. Toney really beat the living hell out of Jirov. Mesi didn't really hurt Jirov all that bad and it showed as Jirov would have stopped Mesi if he had another 30 seconds. Toney could have fought 5 more rounds, although he wouldn't have had to because he would have stopped Jirov in the next round. Jirov threw an insane amount of punches at James and landed very few of them (I don't remember the actual punch stat numbers).

Oh and TOS is just about as gay as it gets. He's seriously one of the biggest joke fighters I've ever seen. There's no reason why he shouldn't have been manhandled by Wladdy.

Did you watch these fights? Jirov put relentless pressure on Toney like I've never seen before but it wasn't very smart of him because James wanted that. Jirov looked unenthused and uninterested against Mesi until the final 3 rounds or so. Toney really beat the living hell out of Jirov. Mesi didn't really hurt Jirov all that bad and it showed as Jirov would have stopped Mesi if he had another 30 seconds. Toney could have fought 5 more rounds, although he wouldn't have had to because he would have stopped Jirov in the next round. Jirov threw an insane amount of punches at James and landed very few of them (I don't remember the actual punch stat numbers).

I'm not talking about who hurt who. I am talking about outboxing someone. Yes I have seen both fights. Mesi won every round except the first and the last 2 when he ran out of gas. Mesi was 253/773 and Jirov was 160/373. Mesi outlanded Jirov in rounds 3-9. Toney lost 4 and 3 rounds, but it was closer than that. Toney landed 380/816 and Jirov landed 248/1032.

Jirov won rounds in the Toney fight based on SHEER VOLUME. 1032 punches is insane. Toney grossly outlanded him...I had it Toney 6 to Jirov 5 going into the 12th i'm pretty sure or maybe 5 to 5 with 1 round a draw. The Jirov who fought Toney was a completely different fighter than the one who fought Mesi. Jirov put very little pressure on Joe.

For a second there, I thought you were speaking about Chris Byrd. Another contender for the Chicken **** award!

This just in todays heavyweight division is trash, so you don't have to be that great to a be a top fighter which is one of the main reasons why I refuse to count Wlad out. What about the fact that Mesi outboxed Jirov to a greater extent than Toney could?
Mesi is 6-2, 230 pounds. Toney isn't nowhere near that big. Even when he's blown up.

Jirov's approach vs. Mesi was common sense. He had to let the bigger strong guy shoot his bullets then turn it up late. if he would've made it a war from the first round, Mesi would've gotten him on sheer size and strength.

The division is ****. Wlad could have a chance to be back IF he had the heart and the chin. If you don't have those 2 qualities, it doesn't matter. You can't be a china chin heavyweight or not have the desire. You can't train for that. Where you and I differ is you think Wlad can get that back. I think he never had it the minute he woke up from the Corrie Sanders KO.

that was no strategy by jirov, by the 8th round the commentators were saying he looked like a beaten man, and he was, he landed a lucky rabit punch and that is what ****ed up mesi, and wlad is a bum, he is afraid of getting kayoed again, ya tos put no pressure on him, but he still knocked him down once, wlad is 6-6 250 and he went down from a not so devastating punch, and no he was not that off balance. the guy who kicked barretts ass doesnt exist anymore, face it

mesi was knocked down in consecutive fights,but he still got the w, that is more than you can say for wlad, mesi showed mad heart in that last round, most guys would have layed on the canvas

i saw some of Messy's fights where he got the win, like the Monte Barrett fight, and i think Messy's fights are fixed