View Full Version : Someone tell me how Cotto beats Floyd..


SkilledB
02-19-2008, 02:46 AM
I would like someone to explain why they think Cotto will win this fight without hanging off one fighters nuts and hating on the other...

SkilledB
02-19-2008, 07:40 PM
Just like I thought

boxingsmash69
02-20-2008, 12:07 AM
he will box circles around mayweather with his hammer jab.

dalliance13
02-20-2008, 12:20 AM
I think by crowding Mayweather and going to the body a LOT to slow him down.

Left2body
02-20-2008, 01:11 AM
Watch the Quintana, Malignagi, Judah, Mosley fights. You'll see that Cotto has done well against fast slick boxers. He landed more leather on those guys than any had before.

Cotto is not blazing fast but deceptively fast, has excellent timing and a very good power jab.

How about you answer the question who at WW poses the biggest risk to PBF? Who is the most deserving opponent for PBF?

No real boxing fan can intelligently debate why PBF shouldn't fight Cotto. Does PBF have to fight Cotto? (No he has done enough and can retire with me never saying he ducked Cotto).....but if he doesn't retire and stays active then he SHOULD fight Cotto no ands, ifs or buts about it.

Biggus Dickus
02-20-2008, 01:54 AM
There are numerous possible ways he can win: KO, TKO, UD, SD, MD

Mikie
02-20-2008, 11:32 AM
Watch the Quintana, Malignagi, Judah, Mosley fights. You'll see that Cotto has done well against fast slick boxers. He landed more leather on those guys than any had before.

Cotto is not blazing fast but deceptively fast, has excellent timing and a very good power jab.

How about you answer the question who at WW poses the biggest risk to PBF? Who is the most deserving opponent for PBF?

No real boxing fan can intelligently debate why PBF shouldn't fight Cotto. Does PBF have to fight Cotto? (No he has done enough and can retire with me never saying he ducked Cotto).....but if he doesn't retire and stays active then he SHOULD fight Cotto no ands, ifs or buts about it.



These are all boxers who have no and I absolutely mean no defense. This combination in conjunction with Cotto being too damn slow and getting hit entirely too much is a recipe disaster!

THe TRiNiTY
02-20-2008, 12:20 PM
The way he COULD beat Mayweather is by mixing up his attack, like he did with Mosley. Only difference is, he can't let those last 3 or 4 rounds go the same way. He has a relatively solid defense. Other then the few lapses when he lets his hands down because he gets over-confident and commits to the body shots, TOO MUCH. He'd have to use his more overall punishing jab and cirlce a bit more.. then try to get him on the ropes, like Oscar, except he'd need to be more deliberate. He's a natural swarmer. Hit him to the body, uppercuts, fight hard. Dirty if he needs to. Agaisnt stronger fighters, Floyd can be put against the ropes. He has a GREAT defense and can do great in-fighting, but Cotto is up there with him, in terms of that. When it's in the middle of the ring, he needs to double up the jab, to get him to jab up. Combos, and get off first. Double his punch output (Floyds) and try and keep up with his punches landed. Get off before Floyd does, allowing Mayweather to have less time to think and plan. Floyd likes to be able to dictate the fight, Cotto needs to stop that.

The five keys..
Dictate the pace.
Get off first.
Jab, and double-jab to get him on the ropes.
Calm, but VERY aggresive bodyshot and uppercut attack against the ropes.
JAB JAB and JAB!

Left2body
02-20-2008, 01:17 PM
These are all boxers who have no and I absolutely mean no defense. This combination in conjunction with Cotto being too damn slow and getting hit entirely too much is a recipe disaster!

ROFL, dude your watching the wrong sport if you think Quintana, Malignagi, Judah and Mosley have no defense. You dont know what your talking about and its not worth debating with you.

Spirit
02-20-2008, 01:47 PM
These are all boxers who have no and I absolutely mean no defense. This combination in conjunction with Cotto being too damn slow and getting hit entirely too much is a recipe disaster!

No defense? Are you serious? If Malinaggi doesn't keep his hands up or shoulder to protect his chin, he moves away by using his timing and speed. Malinaggi utilizes the same defense Judah does when he's focused. Mosley isn't the best defensive fighter and I haven't seen Quintana that much.

Back on topic, Cotto could beat Mayweather with his timing. What did Floyd Sr. say will beat his son? Timing. He's well conditioned and can walk through Mayweather's punches. Some people forget he's as good as he is inside as he is on the outside. Mayweather is too, so this makes for an exciting fight

Mikie
02-20-2008, 02:30 PM
ROFL, dude your watching the wrong sport if you think Quintana, Malignagi, Judah and Mosley have no defense. You dont know what your talking about and its not worth debating with you.


First of all, thanks for the opinionated response. It's fight fans like yourself that helps feed the knowledge of fight fans all over.
Am I watching the wrong sport? Investigate the facts, then talk to me! The Cotto-Mosley fight (in which I thought Cotto won by 8-4) was a prime example of guys taking unnecessary punches and often getting caught with their guard down, but a great fight . In the Cotto-Malignagi fight, if Paulie knew what defense was, maybe the fight could have been closer, but his toughness can never be question. In the Cotto-Quintana, this is yet another example of a supposed good fighter get caught with there guard down. As for the Cotto-Judah fight, Zab's lack of concentration is nothing more than an excuse and he has always had big problems with physical fighters. At this point in his career, Cotto can and will not beat PBF for the reasons I mentioned in the previous thread, but what do I know. If I we're Cotto, I would hope Margarito beats Cintron because I like his chance better vs "Tony" the volume puncher than I do against a one punch knockout guy like Cintron. Thanks for the response But again, what do I know!

Left2body
02-20-2008, 02:57 PM
First of all, thanks for the opinionated response. It's fight fans like yourself that helps feed the knowledge of fight fans all over.
Am I watching the wrong sport? Investigate the facts, then talk to me! The Cotto-Mosley fight (in which I thought Cotto won by 8-4) was a prime example of guys taking unnecessary punches and often getting caught with their guard down, but a great fight . In the Cotto-Malignagi fight, if Paulie knew what defense was, maybe the fight could have been closer, but his toughness can never be question. In the Cotto-Quintana, this is yet another example of a supposed good fighter get caught with there guard down. As for the Cotto-Judah fight, Zab's lack of concentration is nothing more than an excuse and he has always had big problems with physical fighters. At this point in his career, Cotto can and will not beat PBF for the reasons I mentioned in the previous thread, but what do I know. If I we're Cotto, I would hope Margarito beats Cintron because I like his chance better vs "Tony" the volume puncher than I do against a one punch knockout guy like Cintron. Thanks for the response But again, what do I know!

LOL at this guy trying to discredity every Cotto win. Lets see:

1)Quintana: Showed superb defense vs Joel Julio. Paul Williams was a 100 punch per round fighter and Quintana's defense brought down his output and hit percentage to less than half his usual number.

2)Judah: Judah's defense was never questioned, people have mostly questioned his focus, chin and stamina not his defense. Please show me where people question Judah's defense (not his chin his defense).

3)Malignagi: Malignagi is known for his defense and ability to hit and not be hit. Hell it sure aint his power that has earned him a share of the jrWW championship.

4)Mosley: Is an experienced top fighter. His defense seemed to be very good a few months prior to Cotto when he fought Collazo.

People say that these fighters tried to slug it out with Cotto and would've won if they only fought defensively but fail to give Cotto respect for dictating that type of fight. Cotto didn't allow Quintana, Malignagi or Judah and forced them to fight with his pressure, timing, jab, power and ability to cut off the ring.

RL_GMA
02-20-2008, 03:05 PM
LOL at this guy trying to discredity every Cotto win. Lets see:

1)Quintana: Showed superb defense vs Joel Julio. Paul Williams was a 100 punch per round fighter and Quintana's defense brought down his output and hit percentage to less than half his usual number.

2)Judah: Judah's defense was never questioned, people have mostly questioned his focus, chin and stamina not his defense. Please show me where people question Judah's defense (not his chin his defense).

3)Malignagi: Malignagi is known for his defense and ability to hit and not be hit. Hell it sure aint his power that has earned him a share of the jrWW championship.

4)Mosley: Is an experienced top fighter. His defense seemed to be very good a few months prior to Cotto when he fought Collazo.

People say that these fighters tried to slug it out with Cotto and would've won if they only fought defensively but fail to give Cotto respect for dictating that type of fight. Cotto didn't allow Quintana, Malignagi or Judah and forced them to fight with his pressure, timing, jab, power and ability to cut off the ring.

End of thread

Mikie
02-20-2008, 03:48 PM
End of thread


Well let's hope all fight fans get what we want. Then we can really end this thread. Until then, it is and always will be opinionated speculations Quality stuff though!

SkilledB
02-20-2008, 04:06 PM
Thanks guys, I wasn't implying that Cotto doesn't deserve a shot at Floyd. I want to see this matchup more than anything..I just wanted some real opinions without the regular "Cottos gonna KTFO Gayweather" That **** gets redundant real quick.

Mikie
02-20-2008, 04:15 PM
Thanks guys, I wasn't implying that Cotto doesn't deserve a shot at Floyd. I want to see this matchup more than anything..I just wanted some real opinions without the regular "Cottos gonna KTFO Gayweather" That **** gets redundant real quick.


I totally agree!

LoftyDog
02-20-2008, 07:00 PM
There are numerous possible ways he can win: KO, TKO, UD, SD, MD

Don't forget DQ