I know in the past I pretty much flamed people who took Kimbo seriously. However, I have heard interviews with Bas where he is just glowing about Kimbo. I think he is taking his training seriously. i'm even willing to say he probably is farther along than Lesnar is. I wanted to put this out there before the fight tonight. I just would like to see him against better competition than against a guy who basically threw a fight, a broke down boxer, or a has been street brawler in Tank. He needs some serious competition.

i agree i dont doubt the mans work ethic, im pretty sure he trains hard but until he fights some serious competition he's gonna remain and MMA novelty act.

he is stepping up in competition. Although Abbott is a fat old man, he was a Bone Fide MMA fighter. Its a step up from Mercer, who basically can`t do anything other than box.

Next fight will be someone better, in 5 fights time, i think it will be the top guys, assuming he doesn`t lose

i just watched the weigh in and boy did Tank look old beat up and out of shape. Im even debating if i want to watch this match, Abbot really shouldn't be doing this anymore but i guess money talks. Theres still Antonio Silva vs Ricco Rodriguez which should be slightly more entertaining.

First guy to connect on Kimbo .....Knocks him the **** out.
His win over a tired confused ancient Mercer was worth **** all.
A fat out of shape Gannon gave Kimbo all the trouble in the world.
Kimbo has ZERO stamina.

I know in the past I pretty much flamed people who took Kimbo seriously. However, I have heard interviews with Bas where he is just glowing about Kimbo. I think he is taking his training seriously. i'm even willing to say he probably is farther along than Lesnar is. I wanted to put this out there before the fight tonight. I just would like to see him against better competition than against a guy who basically threw a fight, a broke down boxer, or a has been street brawler in Tank. He needs some serious competition.
Boxers go 20 fights usually before fighting major contenders. Why should someone in MMA step it up in his 2nd true MMA fight?

Boxers go 20 fights usually before fighting major contenders. Why should someone in MMA step it up in his 2nd true MMA fight?

Most boxers don't start there pro careers at 34 either or do they make their 20 warmup fights the main card of the night. He should go fight in KOTC if he wants a bunch of cans to fight. He went to one of the big shows. He should at least fight someone a little better than the 3 he has fought. He looked good doing it last night though.

Harms is right on, except about Kimbo being further along than Lesnar. Kimbo still has fought no one, and Lesnar looked good until he got caught by an ex Hevyweight Champion who is not over the hill.

To those calling Tank a step up, remember Tank has won ONE fight in the last 10 years.

And while boxers do take more time building their records there are reasons. MAinly that there are alot more boxers than MMA guys to fight. And yes, boxers building their records early in their careers are not headling major cards.

First guy to connect on Kimbo .....Knocks him the **** out.
His win over a tired confused ancient Mercer was worth **** all.
A fat out of shape Gannon gave Kimbo all the trouble in the world.
Kimbo has ZERO stamina.

HAD zero stamina. It kills me the way some of you hate on people you have no clue about. First off, Kimbo is a cool ass dude, second, the guys is training his ass off to make some money in a sport he's a rookie in. The fight with Gannon was when he knew NOTHING about MMA, and he went the distance and messed Gannon up pretty badly. So much so, that Gannon has never been right after that fight. i heard the guys had to wuit his job and has mental problems from the beating he took at the hands of Kimbo.

It isn't like he's going into this mouthing off, or acting like an *******. Kimbo has natural talent and alot of it. He's a beast physicaly and he's learning things he never once thought he could learn. He can box very well, his stand up with his hands is very good, I would say just as good as most in the MMA world.

His ground game hasn't been seen but he's got the right people in his corner to at least prepare him for what's ahead. If anything, Kimbo has a puncher's chance against anyone because he hits like a ton of bricks.

I like him and I think he can make money in this sport and at lease be competative enough to make for some exciting fight's. No one is saying he's going to walk through everyone in the sport but I think soem of you will be suprised as to how far he can go. It's all a matter of how much he learns and how he applies it in the ring.

HAD zero stamina. It kills me the way some of you hate on people you have no clue about. First off, Kimbo is a cool ass dude, second, the guys is training his ass off to make some money in a sport he's a rookie in. The fight with Gannon was when he knew NOTHING about MMA, and he went the distance and messed Gannon up pretty badly. So much so, that Gannon has never been right after that fight. i heard the guys had to wuit his job and has mental problems from the beating he took at the hands of Kimbo.

It isn't like he's going into this mouthing off, or acting like an *******. Kimbo has natural talent and alot of it. He's a beast physicaly and he's learning things he never once thought he could learn. He can box very well, his stand up with his hands is very good, I would say just as good as most in the MMA world.

His ground game hasn't been seen but he's got the right people in his corner to at least prepare him for what's ahead. If anything, Kimbo has a puncher's chance against anyone because he hits like a ton of bricks.

I like him and I think he can make money in this sport and at lease be competative enough to make for some exciting fight's. No one is saying he's going to walk through everyone in the sport but I think soem of you will be suprised as to how far he can go. It's all a matter of how much he learns and how he applies it in the ring.

This is where I would have dropped a Kimbo sucks a few months ago. I agree now though. Gannon was a pre-mma trained Kimbo. It really shouldn't be brought up anymore. One of the things I like about Kimbo is that he isn't coming across as an *******. It is nice to see. I'm curious where people keep pulling he has zero stamina from. In all of his MMA fights, we haven't really seen him go any real distance. He is being trained by Bas who is a stamina beast, so I find it really hard to believe stamina hasn't been worked on.

Harms is right on, except about Kimbo being further along than Lesnar. Kimbo still has fought no one, and Lesnar looked good until he got caught by an ex Hevyweight Champion who is not over the hill.

To those calling Tank a step up, remember Tank has won ONE fight in the last 10 years.

My problem with Lesnar is he is waayyy to one dimensional. All I have ever seen him do is takedown and gnp. I've seen zero standup or jj from him. At least with Kimbo we have seen a sub. The potential is huge for both, so I'm not trying to knock Lesnar.

Anybody with a solid double leg beats Kimbo....

I'll admit as well that Kimbo has improved, but he's really not faced anybody good. I mean the first guy he fought in EliteXC basically took one punch and then immediately started tapping out. Then Tank hasn't won a significant MMA match in quite some time. I would like to see Kimbo up against someone next that isn't taylor made for him. I don't if he will anytime soon because I think EliteXC like the attention Kimbo is giving them.

:nonono: still no respect for Kimbo, Brock is the better prospect of the 2 and is taking the sport alot more serious then the street thug fighting fixed fights.
and i don't know what improvemnts he's made, i haven't seen any, his fight against tank looked jus like one of his youtube backyard fights.
an the guillatine choke he put on the washed up boxer was half assed an anyone with half a brain could have escaped.
:nonono: kimbo don't have my respect.

I respect him more than I did pure and simply because upon seeing his videos I said 'Go and fight a proper fighter and you'll get your arse kicked' and he went and fought proper fighters and won. Yes they were ****e or washed up, but at first I even expected they would beat him. The reason they didnt is because he's working ****ing hard.

I still expect that even a DECENT fighter will beat him. But he's always stepping up bit by bit in my estimations. Admittedly, I still detest his moronic followers.

I respect him more than I did pure and simply because upon seeing his videos I said 'Go and fight a proper fighter and you'll get your arse kicked' and he went and fought proper fighters and won. Yes they were ****e or washed up, but at first I even expected they would beat him. The reason they didnt is because he's working ****ing hard.

I still expect that even a DECENT fighter will beat him. But he's always stepping up bit by bit in my estimations. Admittedly, I still detest his moronic followers.

Me too. Honestly I really don't mind Kimbo, but his fans get to me. I guess in a way as well Im not too hyped up about Kimbo is because I've met some younger kids that know who Kimbo is, but don't know really know any of the great boxers of today. I guess that's America for you though when hype overwhelms results.

I respect him more than I did pure and simply because upon seeing his videos I said 'Go and fight a proper fighter and you'll get your arse kicked' and he went and fought proper fighters and won. Yes they were ****e or washed up, but at first I even expected they would beat him. The reason they didnt is because he's working ****ing hard.

I still expect that even a DECENT fighter will beat him. But he's always stepping up bit by bit in my estimations. Admittedly, I still detest his moronic followers.

Good points, he does deserve props for at least stepping into the pro ring. He definatly has potential, though I think stamina will always be a problem for him given his bulk. I'm really not sure of his ability to go 3 hard rounds, let alone 5. He seams like the type of fighter that needs to end it early to get a win.

Kimbo appears to be taking this chance very seriously and training very hard. He looked the best shape I've ever seen him last weekend and his power is undeniable......But I can see him being submitted rather easily if taken down by the right fighter. Should be interesting to see though. I don't see him waiting around since he is 34....He'll have a big fight soon.

:nonono: still no respect for Kimbo, Brock is the better prospect of the 2 and is taking the sport alot more serious then the street thug fighting fixed fights.
and i don't know what improvemnts he's made, i haven't seen any, his fight against tank looked jus like one of his youtube backyard fights.
an the guillatine choke he put on the washed up boxer was half assed an anyone with half a brain could have escaped.
:nonono: kimbo don't have my respect.

Your missing the entire point, stop the envy and just realize Kimbo is doing the best he can with what he's got. Nobody is saying he's going to win a world championship but he's definitly fun to watch and he's training his ass off with a world class fighter in Bas.

I'm sure Kimbo is not staying up at night wondering whether you respect him or not.

Part of the respect thing is that real fans of the sport want to see a MAIN EVENT with 2 good fighters, not some circus act.

:nonono: still no respect for Kimbo, Brock is the better prospect of the 2 and is taking the sport alot more serious then the street thug fighting fixed fights.and i don't know what improvemnts he's made, i haven't seen any, his fight against tank looked jus like one of his youtube backyard fights.
an the guillatine choke he put on the washed up boxer was half assed an anyone with half a brain could have escaped.
:nonono: kimbo don't have my respect.

You're an ******* man..... Seriously, you've been hating on him since day one. Give him a ****ing chance.

It sounds like you dont know what the **** you're talking about. "a street thug winning fixed fights" get the **** on. YOu sound rather racist.(just my opinion)

:feedback: how am i racist? for saying that brock is the better prospect of the 2?
Honestly Now who would u sign 2 a contract if u had your own promotion, NCAA Wrestling Champ or Backyard Fighter?
i think pretty much everyone would pick the NCAA Champ, so race has nothing 2 do with why i said Brock was the Better Prospect.
or do u think i'm a racist cause i dont' like Kimbo as a MMA fighter?
i've posted a vid on the other kimbo thread on as why i don't like the guy as a fighter hell i'll post it again.
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Sucker Punching a guy who does not want 2 fight anymore and walks away from you, No Class as a Fighter.
that is where the street thug comment came from.
as far as the fixed fight comment just look at the Bo Cantrell Fight and tell me he didn't take a dive.
i put my facts out there now explain 2 me how am i a racist.

:feedback: how am i racist? for saying that brock is the better prospect of the 2?
Honestly Now who would u sign 2 a contract if u had your own promotion, NCAA Wrestling Champ or Backyard Fighter?
i think pretty much everyone would pick the NCAA Champ, so race has nothing 2 do with why i said Brock was the Better Prospect.
or do u think i'm a racist cause i dont' like Kimbo as a MMA fighter?
i've posted a vid on the other kimbo thread on as why i don't like the guy as a fighter hell i'll post it again.
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Sucker Punching a guy who does not want 2 fight anymore and walks away from you, No Class as a Fighter.
that is where the street thug comment came from.
as far as the fixed fight comment just look at the Bo Cantrell Fight and tell me he didn't take a dive.
i put my facts out there now explain 2 me how am i a racist.

Its how you put it out their. I didnt come to this conclusion from the post in this thread(even though it played some roll in it) I said that because you made the comment that he doesnt belong in the UFC( I cant remember the exact thread). Now how can you say that without giving him a chance. So he isnt good enought for the UFC. He is just getting started with his MMA career and you're shooting him down already. Hell, everybody wasnt born with a gold spoon in their mouth.(like you it seems) The Kimbo is taking his chance very seriously as you can see.

Its also who you voice it. Every little Kimbo thing I've seen you respond to, you were rather hostile towards him. Like I said... IMO you really show a lot of hatred towards him without giving reason for it.

kimbo needs to face a B class fighter before i even ponder about him

I Believe I or someone else also explained in that thread that the UFC has stated that they as a MMA company want 2 get away from the Street Fight in a cage or ****fighting image that they were labled with by alot of people an sports casters out there.
and where does kimbo come from, street fights, back yard fights.
would it make sense 2 sign this kind of fighter 2 a contract when u are trying 2 get away from that image.
No so he does not belong in the UFC.
as far as not liking Kimbo as a fighter i've posted it above with the Vid, He Showed No Class whatsoever.
he's one tough dude but if someone pulls crap like that in a fight and is happy about doing it i can't get behind them one bit.
if u have looked over some of the post i've made u'd also see that i don't like Michael Bipsing or Matt Hughes either.
the fighters race has nothing on why i dont' like them as fighters.

Part of the respect thing is that real fans of the sport want to see a MAIN EVENT with 2 good fighters, not some circus act.

Exactly. In both of Kimbo's fights the opponent has been somebody he can just beat on. I mean watch that first fight with Cantrel and you can't help but laugh when Cantrel takes one shot and starts tapping out immediately. Then Tank is a known name from the early days of UFC who was basically just a out of shape street brawler and hasn't won a meaninful MMA fight in forever. I'll admit Kimbo looks to be working hard and does seem to be taking this rather seriously, but does he deserve to be in a main event when he hasn't fought anybody of note yet and is in against an opponent that really doesn't have a shot against him.

I Believe I or someone else also explained in that thread that the UFC has stated that they as a MMA company want 2 get away from the Street Fight in a cage or ****fighting image that they were labled with by alot of people an sports casters out there.
and where does kimbo come from, street fights, back yard fights.
would it make sense 2 sign this kind of fighter 2 a contract when u are trying 2 get away from that image.
No so he does not belong in the UFC.
as far as not liking Kimbo as a fighter i've posted it above with the Vid, He Showed No Class whatsoever.
he's one tough dude but if someone pulls crap like that in a fight and is happy about doing it i can't get behind them one bit.
if u have looked over some of the post i've made u'd also see that i don't like Michael Bipsing or Matt Hughes either.
the fighters race has nothing on why i dont' like them as fighters.

Dude, where are you from and do you relaize you are making no sense at all.

First off, IT'S A STREET FIGHT!!! LOL

I don't know if you noticed that but the same "sportsmanship" that exist's in a pro fight doesn't apply here. Kimbo was "selling" himself with the thug thing and attitude. When you listen to him talk, you will relize he's a smart dude and understands exactly what he's doing in the world of MMA.

I love it when people get emotionaly involved with people they don't know. I never understood why people did that.....you do realize that alot of this is just show...right?

Kimbo is a guy who grew up in a rough area of Miami, never had much and now is using this to take care of his family and get the most he can out of it.

The thing that impressed me the most in a recent interview was how he said he's not going to buy stupid things, he actually hired an inverstor to manage his money that he will be making. He recently signed a 6 fight deal worth 6 figures for each fight.

I say prop's to the dude for making something out of nothing.

I look at it this way, I give the guy props for training hard. He gets props for being pretty humble. And I applaud he is doing the best he can to make money for his family. Those are good qualities to have.

The problem I have is that he is fighting in main events. As an MMA fan I want the main event to be the best fighters on the card, not just the most hyped guy fighting a bum or a has-been.

I look at it this way, I give the guy props for training hard. He gets props for being pretty humble. And I applaud he is doing the best he can to make money for his family. Those are good qualities to have.

The problem I have is that he is fighting in main events. As an MMA fan I want the main event to be the best fighters on the card, not just the most hyped guy fighting a bum or a has-been.

Exactly. It's the same problem that I have with Kimbo. He gets put in a Main Event in a mismatch so just basically his hype can be built up even more.

I don't know if you noticed that but the same "sportsmanship" that exist's in a pro fight doesn't apply here.

Then why were his 'crew' trying to stop Gannon from using any 'streetfight' method he wanted to win their fight?


Again, I dont dislike Kimbo, I do think that he's a thug who shouldnt be main-eventing PPVs (but thats hardly his fault, thats just good management), but I will always loathe and detest the crew of his that gladly, he seems to have wised up and is getting rid of now.

:feedback: how am i racist? for saying that brock is the better prospect of the 2?
Honestly Now who would u sign 2 a contract if u had your own promotion, NCAA Wrestling Champ or Backyard Fighter?
i think pretty much everyone would pick the NCAA Champ, so race has nothing 2 do with why i said Brock was the Better Prospect.
or do u think i'm a racist cause i dont' like Kimbo as a MMA fighter?
i've posted a vid on the other kimbo thread on as why i don't like the guy as a fighter hell i'll post it again.
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Sucker Punching a guy who does not want 2 fight anymore and walks away from you, No Class as a Fighter.
that is where the street thug comment came from.
as far as the fixed fight comment just look at the Bo Cantrell Fight and tell me he didn't take a dive.
i put my facts out there now explain 2 me how am i a racist.

And tell me who would you sign someone who people don't really know or someone who people know already and you know would bring an audience? The only reason anybody knows brock is because of wwe other then that pretty much nobody would know who this guy is. And you can't say brock is the better prospect because brock has no stand up whatsoever, kimbo and brock are both on the same level kimbo has the stand up and brock has the ground game, the difference is they started lesnar in a bad spot. And in case you didn't notice thats street fight so that class **** is no good there. And as for the bo fight if you really think it was fixed then no wonder your even hating lol.

Brock has no stand-up?

Actually Lesnar was quite well known before his stint in WWE. He had the option of fighting MMA in Japan or the US, offers to coach wrestling, or to go into pro-wrestling.

Kurt Angle was the same in that way too. Angle just stayed in pro-wrestling alot longer than Lesnar did.

And as for had the better skills before training in MMA, would anyone really say a guy who did a few backyard Internet fights or a world-class Div 1A wrestler?

Get real.

:pat: i've explained myself it why i dont' like kimbo an i'm done with posting back an forth with his youtube fans.
but what i'd like 2 know is how am i racist for not liking the guy? :wtf:

Brock has no stand-up?

hell no he hasn't even fought standing up for more then 1 min in his 2 fights combined

To all you guys saying Lesnar and Kimbo are about equal; what is your MMA experience? Do you actually train in it? How long? If you don't train in it, how long have you followed the sport?

To all you guys saying Lesnar and Kimbo are about equal; what is your MMA experience? Do you actually train in it? How long? If you don't train in it, how long have you followed the sport?

I did tkd for yrs and have followed the sport for a couple yrs, and yea lesnar and kimbo are about the same in experience but as far as there game is concerned kimbo is a stand up brawler fighter and brock is a wrestler ground n pound and as far as size there pretty much the same.

Well they are NOT the same in experience. Thats a fact.

Like I said, before they entered MMA one guy had a few backyard Internet fights and one guy was a top-notch Div 1A wrestler. That is far from equal.

In terms of MMA fights, Lesnar beat a guy bigger than him in Japan and lost to an ex-UFC HW champ still in his prime years. Kimbo beat three guys; one quit when he got touched, and the other 2 were over 40. And one of the old guys had no MMA experience and the other had won ONE fight in the last 10 years. Again, that is far from equal.

Well they are NOT the same in experience. Thats a fact.

Like I said, before they entered MMA one guy had a few backyard Internet fights and one guy was a top-notch Div 1A wrestler. That is far from equal.

In terms of MMA fights, Lesnar beat a guy bigger than him in Japan and lost to an ex-UFC HW champ still in his prime years. Kimbo beat three guys; one quit when he got touched, and the other 2 were over 40. And one of the old guys had no MMA experience and the other had won ONE fight in the last 10 years. Again, that is far from equal.

You forgot he was also a wwe champ that must be why there not equal. Oh and lesnar didn't beat a guy bigger than him in japan min soo kim weighed in at 255 6'1 while lesnar weighed in at 262 6'2 so yea lesnar actually beat up on somebody smaller then him,he also came in bigger for the mir fight and I dont think you read my statement correctly I'm not talking about equal in there opponents but in there mma fighting abilities one has good stand up and the other has good ground.

Again, how do you know Kimbo has good standup?

He took Mercer down and did not trade with him, the 2nd guy quit when he got touched, and Tank had won only 1 fight in the last 10 years. That proves NOTHING.

Brock actually took down at will an ex HW champ, and did some good gnp before getting caught by a damn BJJ Black Belt. There is NO comparison.

Now should Kimbo beat someone like Buentello, I'll be the first here to say he beat a legit guy.

And no offense, but doing some TKD and being a fan for a few years does not mean you are very educated about MMA.

Again, how do you know Kimbo has good standup?

He took Mercer down and did not trade with him, the 2nd guy quit when he got touched, and Tank had won only 1 fight in the last 10 years. That proves NOTHING.

Brock actually took down at will an ex HW champ, and did some good gnp before getting caught by a damn BJJ Black Belt. There is NO comparison.

Now should Kimbo beat someone like Buentello, I'll be the first here to say he beat a legit guy.

Well look at his street fights all he does is pretty much box and stand up so yea his stand up is good compared to brock's and tank could still very well knock you out with one of those punches, and yea brock was suppose to take down mir he's a wrestler thats what wrestlers do it wouldn't make sense if a wrestler tried to stand up with you.
And no offense, but doing some TKD and being a fan for a few years does not mean you are very educated about MMA.

Well in case you didn't know tkd is a martial art and MMA is a mixed martial arts sport which tkd is included in, in the early days of MMA fighters came from specific fighting styles such as wrestling, Taekwondo, karate, judo, kickboxing, or jiu-jitsu but they also started training in other styles to better up there game an example is bruce lee who was one of the many to combine it and bring it mainstream by teaching the style of no style(putting it in simple words). And no I havent been a fan of mma since I was 5 but I know its history and its roots and what it stands for and as a practitioner of one of its styles I know the hard work,discipline and dedication it takes to be successful l in it. So don't judge by knowledge of the sport.;)

Well look at his street fights all he does is pretty much box and stand up so yea his stand up is good compared to brock's...

Dude, he was fighting guys off the street!!!!!

So don't judge by knowledge of the sport.;)

That's EXACTLY how you get judged on a forum. You honestly have very little knowledge of the sport and your posts show that.

You're honestly just a Kimbo nutrider who has fallen for the hype.

Dude, he was fighting guys off the street!!!!!



That's EXACTLY how you get judged on a forum. You honestly have very little knowledge of the sport and your posts show that.

You're honestly just a Kimbo nutrider who has fallen for the hype.

So because I'm a fan of kimbo's that means I have no knowledge of the sport? :lol1:
please show me which one of my posts shows that I have no knowledge of the sport.
And I haven't fallen for **** I know he probly wont make it far and is gonna get exposed when he fights one of the top contenders of the sport but in the meanwhile I'm enjoying his fights.

So is that the best you can come up with nutrider?:lol1: pathetic;)

please show me which one of my posts shows that I have no knowledge of the sport.

Here are some of your ridiculous posts:

The only reason anybody knows brock is because of wwe other then that pretty much nobody would know who this guy is.

kimbo and brock are both on the same level kimbo has the stand up and brock has the ground game, the difference is they started lesnar in a bad spot.

...and yea lesnar and kimbo are about the same in experience...

Well look at his street fights all he does is pretty much box and stand up so yea his stand up is good compared to brock's...

Do you still want to continue?

Here are some of your ridiculous posts:









Do you still want to continue?
ok I'll break it down for you:

where did brock get his stardom from?

does or doesn't kimbo have stand up? does or doesn't brock have ground?

how many fights do each have in MMA? yea pretty much same in experience and no I'm not talking about there opponents.

And you tell me whos stand up is better?

But what I want to know is which one of my posts questions my knowledge of the sport of MMA?

where did brock get his stardom from?

He was known before the WWE. He was WELL known in the MMA community back then. They were quite disappointed he chose WWE over MMA. The same thing happened with Kurt Angle. Had you been following MMA back then you would have known these FACTS.

does or doesn't kimbo have stand up? does or doesn't brock have ground?

We don't know. That's my point!!! Kimbo fought a shot boxer and did not trade with him. He grazed his 2nd opponent, who then quit. And he just beat a guy who won ONE fight in the last 10 years. Again, based on his opponents, you cannot tell much about him.

Lesnar has excellent takedowns and good gnp. He needs to work on submission defense. But the guy who tapped him was a BJJ Black Belt!

how many fights do each have in MMA? yea pretty much same in experience and no I'm not talking about there opponents.

It's exactly the quality that counts!!! You can't honestly think that only numbers count and not quality can you?

And you tell me whos stand up is better?

Again, based on their fights you cannot tell. Kimbo has fought 3 HORRIBLE opponents. He Ko'd 2 of them. Lesnar fought 2 fights. He won 1 and lost to a BJJ Black Belt.

I will say that if Lesnar took a few guys off the street and only did standup with them he would KO them easy. But you seem to think this proves Kimbo has good standup.


And I posted above what quotes you had that were stupid. Again, you have NEVER trained MMA and you've only been a fan recently. You honestly do not know much about MMA and are proving it arguing with me.

He was known before the WWE. He was WELL known in the MMA community back then. They were quite disappointed he chose WWE over MMA. The same thing happened with Kurt Angle. Had you been following MMA back then you would have known these FACTS.


Right he would have been a real big hit back then huh I bet his first mma fight he would have brought in 600k buys like he did 3 weeks ago.:lol1:
We don't know. That's my point!!! Kimbo fought a shot boxer and did not trade with him. He grazed his 2nd opponent, who then quit. And he just beat a guy who won ONE fight in the last 10 years. Again, based on his opponents, you cannot tell much about him.
But you know for a fact that kimbo's stand up is better then lesnars

Lesnar has excellent takedowns and good gnp. He needs to work on submission defense. But the guy who tapped him was a BJJ Black Belt!

So lesnar has excellent take downs? and you can tell this by watching 2 fights of his? but can't tell if Kimbo has good stand up because why?



It's exactly the quality that counts!!! You can't honestly think that only numbers count and not quality can you? of course, but I'm not talking about that I'm saying both of them have almost the same number of MMA fights on there record.



Again, based on their fights you cannot tell. Kimbo has fought 3 HORRIBLE opponents. He Ko'd 2 of them. Lesnar fought 2 fights. He won 1 and lost to a BJJ Black Belt. And I agree he hasn't fought the best opponents but whats wrong with that? should they have put him in with the #1 contender? and why do you say based on their fights you cannot tell but yet you say lesnar has excellent takedowns? where do you base this off, his two fights? dude your hate is easy to see

I will say that if Lesnar took a few guys off the street and only did standup with them he would KO them easy. But you seem to think this proves Kimbo has good standup.


And I posted above what quotes you had that were stupid. Again, you have NEVER trained MMA and you've only been a fan recently. You honestly do not know much about MMA and are proving it arguing with me.
No kimbo hasn't took a few guys off the street he's taken alot and some good actually and plus his mma fights which are not the best but proves he does have good stand up game.

I've explained each one of my "stupid" posts but I've have yet to see a real logical answer to my question so I'll ask it again

Which one of my posts questions my knowledge of the sport of MMA, not lesnar or kimbobut about MMA
And WTF does me not ever training MMA have to do with being knowledgeable of the sport? So your saying all the mma analysts and writers ect that have never trained mma don't know **** about the sport? :wtf1: now this is what I call a "stupid" post.:lol1:
Seriously dude your trying too hard just stop while your at it.:)

I'm not gonna even try and argue with a fanboy with no experience in MMA who is a moron, but I gotta answer this gem of stupidity:

So lesnar has excellent take downs? and you can tell this by watching 2 fights of his? but can't tell if Kimbo has good stand up because why?

Try this on for size. These are Lesnar's collegiate accomplishments.

1998 Junior College National Champion
Big Ten Title (1999-2000)
1999 NCAA Division I runner-up
Ranked the #1 Heavyweight in the Big Ten (2000)
2000 NCAA Division I Champion

In case your stupid ass missed it, thats how you can tell the guy has excellent takedowns.

I'm not gonna even try and argue with a fanboy with no experience in MMA who is a moron, but I gotta answer this gem of stupidity:



Try this on for size. These are Lesnar's collegiate accomplishments.

1998 Junior College National Champion
Big Ten Title (1999-2000)
1999 NCAA Division I runner-up
Ranked the #1 Heavyweight in the Big Ten (2000)
2000 NCAA Division I Champion

In case your stupid ass missed it, thats how you can tell the guy has excellent takedowns.
HaHAHAHhaha now I'm a fanboy and a moron so were name calling now? WOW:lol1:

Well in case your stupid ass missed it, this is MMA not collegiate wrestling so that don't mean he's gonna have excellent takedowns in mma idiot:slap:
Like I asked before what does me not having mma experience have to do with me being knowledgeable of the sport and same for mma analysts and writers? is that too hard too answer?

I told you stop trying so hard its not working out for you:)

Just look in the other Kimbo thread and see how others think of you.

Just look in the other Kimbo thread and see how others think of you.

You think I care what others think of me? but yet nobody has proved me wrong LOL

The fans that like circus act fights are the rednecks everyone makes fun of....they seem to be alot on this forum. As soon as Kimbo loses to a B class fighter I'd like to see all of ya kimbo guerilla nuthuggers to speak up after. I'd rather watch 2 world class fighters fight then kimbo's fights.

so how does being a NCAA Wrestling Champ mean your not good at takedowns??? u lost me on that part, but isn't that what wrestlers do take people down an control em on the ground.
every collegiate wrestler or olympic wrestler in mma that i've seen have excellent take downs from that kind of base skill.
Matt Hamill,Josh Koscheck,Matt LIndland, the list can go on and on with fighters with wreslting backrounds that take other fighters down at will in mma.
i donno jus thought i'd throw my 2 cents on the topic.
peace.

so how does being a NCAA Wrestling Champ mean your not good at takedowns??? u lost me on that part, but isn't that what wrestlers do take people down an control em on the ground.
every collegiate wrestler or olympic wrestler in mma that i've seen have excellent take downs from that kind of base skill.
Matt Hamill,Josh Koscheck,Matt LIndland, the list can go on and on with fighters with wreslting backrounds that take other fighters down at will in mma.
i donno jus thought i'd throw my 2 cents on the topic.
peace.

True, but I never said brock didn't have good takedowns I just said how did he know he had excellent takedowns from just two fights. And I know his wrestling background but it dont mean his takedowns are excellent right now. and if you've read my earlier posts you know I've given lesnar his credit on his ground game theres no doubt his ground game good.

Although I'm probably wasting my time, I'll try.

Not only does Lesnar have excellent wrestling credentials, he took down an ex UFC HW Champion down with ease IN MMA. You did see that right?

Or were you too busy watching your hero fight a fat 43-year old guy?

Although I'm probably wasting my time, I'll try.

Not only does Lesnar have excellent wrestling credentials, he took down an ex UFC HW Champion down with ease IN MMA. You did see that right?

Or were you too busy watching your hero fight a fat 43-year old guy?

And I don't take that away from him, I know he's a great wrestler and has bright future ahead of him. You act like as if I'm the one talking **** about lesnar lol and you know he got submitted with ease too right?:lol1: and no he's not my hero:fing02:

with a backround Brocks that 1bad listed above anyone should know b4 he even stepped foot in mma his take downs would b great. its what he's been trained 2 do up to that point.

and i also like the point u brought up 2swell i'd like 2 see quality fights 2 instead of some circus act fights.
its a shame Fedor has fallen into that Category lately as well.

with a backround Brocks that 1bad listed above anyone should know b4 he even stepped foot in mma his take downs would b great. its what he's been trained 2 do up to that point.

and i also like the point u brought up 2swell i'd like 2 see quality fights 2 instead of some circus act fights.
its a shame Fedor has fallen into that Category lately as well.

**** of course you gotta expect an ex ncaa champ to be good with takedowns and his ground game. its like kimbo as well he's fought standing his whole life so you gotta expect his stand up to be good, and you can argue that its street fighting and bums ect but it dont take away his stand up is good.

its like kimbo as well he's fought standing his whole life...

He has?!?! What are his accomplishments?

You do know that when his backyard fights first hit the Net he was claiming to be an ex-con who had boxed in prison right? You do know that dont you?

He has?!?! What are his accomplishments?

You do know that when his backyard fights first hit the Net he was claiming to be an ex-con who had boxed in prison right? You do know that dont you?

Did you even read the rest of my post? lol and yea I read up he was claiming to be an ex-con and all that **** but supposedly his managers said he had never had been incarcerated before lol but I don't really care point is he's fought stand up and has improved it with everyone of his fights.

My point is he is all hype. And alot of it is complete bs.

How many legit fighters do you know who totally lie about being in prison or allow their handlers to tell the lies?

My point is he is all hype. And alot of it is complete bs.

How many legit fighters do you know who totally lie about being in prison or allow their handlers to tell the lies?

well actually I found a vid where he sais he's never been to prison check it out.

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:boxing: Kimbo is strong thats pretty much a given fact, but once he steps in there with a decent mma striker(muay thai, boxer) i think Kimbo's goin 2 sleep.

:nono: now i'm not tryin 2 argue with my post that i've made, i like these lil debate type things on these forums, gets people goin on mma :)
u've (HotSizzle) brought up alot of good points throughout the day :biggthump
i just can't get behind kimbo right now, MMA has finally got some credibility and has gotten away from the Human ****fighting thing that alot of boxing announcers and promoters have called it.
and with them tryin 2 get away from that image bringing Kimbo in and trying 2 Market him as a Big Star jus don't sit well with alot of mma fans (me included as u saw with my post).
as far as Brock and Kimbo Go i do believe Brock is the better fighter now an has a better future in store for him in mma then kimbo does.
well thats all for me i'm bloody tired an gonna go get some sleep.
peace.
Edit:
jus thought i'd throw this in after seein the last few post....Kimbo's stand up still looks the same 2 me as it did when he fought in the backyards, i personally didn't see any improvement what so ever.
Edit2:
UFC 82 is coming up next week an we can get off this Kimbo Crap an get down 2 some real MMA fighters
i'll have my picks up sometime next week.
Edit3:
and the Cheap shot in the vid i posted about kimbo can't respect a guy that would do that.

:boxing: Kimbo is strong thats pretty much a given fact, but once he steps in there with a decent mma striker(muay thai, boxer) i think Kimbo's goin 2 sleep.

:nono: now i'm not tryin 2 argue with my post that i've made, i like these lil debate type things on these forums, gets people goin on mma :)
u've (HotSizzle) brought up alot of good points throughout the day :biggthump
i just can't get behind kimbo right now, MMA has finally got some credibility and has gotten away from the Human ****fighting thing that alot of boxing announcers and promoters have called it.
and with them tryin 2 get away from that image bringing Kimbo in and trying 2 Market him as a Big Star jus don't sit well with alot of mma fans (me included as u saw with my post).
as far as Brock and Kimbo Go i do believe Brock is the better fighter now an has a better future in store for him in mma then kimbo does.
well thats all for me i'm bloody tired an gonna go get some sleep.
peace.
Edit:
jus thought i'd throw this in after seein the last few post....Kimbo's stand up still looks the same 2 me as it did when he fought in the backyards, i personally didn't see any improvement what so ever.
Edit2:
UFC 82 is coming up next week an we can get off this Kimbo Crap an get down 2 some real MMA fighters
i'll have my picks up sometime next week.
peace.

yea the silva/henderson fight should be good I'm going with silva

**** of course you gotta expect an ex ncaa champ to be good with takedowns and his ground game. its like kimbo as well he's fought standing his whole life so you gotta expect his stand up to be good, and you can argue that its street fighting and bums ect but it dont take away his stand up is good.

Kimbo's standup is good but not as great as u make it sound. Kimbo's fights only lasted over a minute or less so we havent really seen his standup in the cage. He's fought washed up boxer, washed up mma fighter and Bo "dive" Cantrell, hopefully his next fight would be against someone decent.

Kimbo's standup is good but not as great as u make it sound. Kimbo's fights only lasted over a minute or less so we havent really seen his standup in the cage. He's fought washed up boxer, washed up mma fighter and Bo "dive" Cantrell, hopefully his next fight would be against someone decent.

Bo "dive" cantrell LMAO but nah I just said its good and better then brocks, but yea we'll see what he has against someone decent.

Brock may have all these wrestling accomplishments, but I fail to see how that makes him a better fighter than Kimbo. Last I checked, college wrestling is a bit different than MMA. He has an excellent base talent to work from. I'd also argue that Kimbo has a good base talent to work from as well. To say that Kimbo doesn't have let's say above average standup is really just hating Kimbo to hate Kimbo. I agree that the talent he has fought is severely lacking. Lesnar on the other hand, to his credit, wants to fight the top of the HW division, which I think isn't the best idea for him. You gotta walk before you can run.

I don't fault Lesnar for losing to Mir, he was way out of his league on the ground and unfortunately for him, going to the ground is all he has shown he can do. There really isn't enough film on either guy in actual MMA competition to say whom is better or farther along. This was only my humble opinion from what I have seen.

While wrestling is not a complete gauge on how a guy will do in MMA, look at what other MMA greats had wrestling as their base art: Mark Coleman, Dan Henderson, Matt Hughes, Sean Sherk, Randy Couture, just to name a few.

Like I said, if you gave me two guys who were getting into MMA and one was a top wrestler and the other was a backyard fighter I would say that the wrestler would probably go further in MMA.

I think Kimbo's standup is not very technical, but he does have 'heavy hands'. I want to see him bang with a good striker with good technique.

While I just named several guys who are considered top notch MMA fighters who came from wrestling backgrounds, I bet no one can name ANY that started as backyard fighters.

Tank Abbot comes close 2 where Kimbo came from :lol1: and look at Tanks record.

and yes there have been a **** load of wreslters with college or olympic expierience that have gone far, and there are up an coming fighters right now that i think have a bright future in the sport becuase of their wreslting backrounds-Matt Hamill,Jake O'Brien,Brock Lesnar.

[QUOTE=Harms;3161828]To say that Kimbo doesn't have let's say above average standup is really just hating Kimbo to hate Kimbo.[QUOTE]

I'll give it to him that yes he got's power, which is evident, but to say he's got above average standup is pretty ridiculous. I mean he's faced backyard guys and now three fighters that really weren't that good. Plus the one guy he could have shown his standup against was Mercer. Instead he chose to go to the ground in that fight pretty early which was smart, but if his standup was really that good he would have tried to trade with Mercer. Like I said he has power, but when you fight backyard bums and now three washed up fighters you can't say his standup is above average.

I know in the past I pretty much flamed people who took Kimbo seriously. However, I have heard interviews with Bas where he is just glowing about Kimbo. I think he is taking his training seriously. i'm even willing to say he probably is farther along than Lesnar is. I wanted to put this out there before the fight tonight. I just would like to see him against better competition than against a guy who basically threw a fight, a broke down boxer, or a has been street brawler in Tank. He needs some serious competition.


You're kind of changing your mind on the stregnth of Kimbo beating up a 43-year old washed up has been? I cannot wait until the UFC signs Batista and the Undertaker too. And LOL at everyone saying Lesnar had an awesome showing - all 80 seconds of it leading to his inevitable tapout.

You're kind of changing your mind on the stregnth of Kimbo beating up a 43-year old washed up has been? I cannot wait until the UFC signs Batista and the Undertaker too. And LOL at everyone saying Lesnar had an awesome showing - all 80 seconds of it leading to his inevitable tapout.

No, I'm changing my mind on what Bas has been saying. I'm not sold on Kimbo, but I'm not chanting my "Kimbo sucks, go away Kimbo teetsucker!" either.

Let's say Kimbo has 15 more fights left in him. If he goes 10-5 against serious competition, I'd say his crossover has been a success. Most of you, and the old Harms included, would have said it was an absolute failure. My level of expectation has only risen. I know longer pray he loses.

My big problem with him was the fact he was everything MMA was trying not to be. If more backyard fights come out with him fighting or he starts up his whole thug persona, I'll turn on him. He is taking it seriously and acting like a pro fighter should. I guess what I'm saying is I am willing to give him a chance.