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THe TRiNiTY
02-15-2008, 07:17 AM
Here's their list of the top five 147 pounders, challenging for Mayweathers welterweight title.

C C 97 FLOYD MAYWEATHER 39-0 (25)
1 1 63 MIGUEL COTTO 31-0 (25)
2 3 53 SHANE MOSLEY 44-5 (37)
3 - 1 CARLOS QUINTANA 25-1 (19)
4 2 90 PAUL WILLIAMS 33-1 (24)
5 4 344 ANTONIO MARGARITO 35-5 (25)

Your thoughts? Agree or disagree?

Take part in the poll and discuss.

VegasDude702
02-15-2008, 07:31 AM
Cotto obviously presents himself as the biggest challenge we all know that. Its now a fact of filling in the puzzle pieces behind that. Mosley would be a nice fight if your going for that "big name" aspect. Quintana i think isn't great, i think he fought a flawed Paul Williams and stuck to the game plan on Williams which has been there all along. Margarito, i just dont see what he has to be honest but benefit of the doubt.


my rankings of people who could give Money May the matchups.

Cotto
Margarito
Mosley
Quintana
Williams.

OldSkool
02-15-2008, 09:38 AM
i think the list contains the top 5 contenders however i would position them differently:

Cotto
Mosley
Williams
Mararito
Quintana

i know tht is probably controversial after wht happened in williams llast fight. but i honestly believe he stands a much better chance of winning (even though this is probably little to none) against floyd than quintana.

THe TRiNiTY
02-15-2008, 10:10 AM
i think the list contains the top 5 contenders however i would position them differently:

Cotto
Mosley
Williams
Mararito
Quintana

i know tht is probably controversial after wht happened in williams llast fight. but i honestly believe he stands a much better chance of winning (even though this is probably little to none) against floyd than quintana.

Mayweather fights better inside then most give him credit for. Williams has trouble finding his range with those who can hold their own within his reach. It's easier then most think to get inside that range, if you have movement. I see Mayweather getting into more movement if he fought Williams and shooting off combos on the inside. I think he busts Williams up, to be honest. I've always said that movement against a taller, longer-armed foe is the key, and Williams isn't anything, if he isn't a tall, long-armed opponent.

Mosley, I still think has the SPEED AND POWER to give Mayweather the most trouble out of the five, if you ask me. He just has the right tools. His age is catching up, so it needs to happen by the beginning of next year for him to have a true chance.

Margarito has the chin to keep going forward, his problem is that he needs to quit looping his punches. He hits a bit harder then Baldy does (my opinion) AND he is probably a BIT quicker. He's got a decent beard, except he throws more then Carlos does. That COULD create a problem for Mayweather as it's harder to dictate the pace against a busier and determined fighter.

Cotto can box well, and hits hard. Combinations are good, crisp punches, doesn't seem to fade, can stay on his toes and cuts off the ring to wear his opponents down, EXCEPTIONALLY well. He can go to the body like Hatton, except better and stronger with more skill. His problem is his chin. The punch you don't see (a fast one) is the one that hurts the most. And if Corley can get to his jaw and hurt him, so can Mayweather.

Quintana is a very good fighter. His problem is that he CAN get discouraged. Against Mayweather, that's NOT a good sign. HOWEVER, he hits pretty hard, good conditioning-wise, and has nice skills, in terms of overall boxing. He can stick to a gameplan, he just needs to stay focused. If he can keep his guard up and be as cagey against Floyd as he was against Julio and Williams, he has a boxer-punchers chance, so to speak. His problem will be that he has to keep busy and not let the fact that a lot of early and later rounds wil go to Mayweather if his workrate drops, bother him.

Mayweather can beat these guys, but I can see a couple of them being able to beat him.

I also think an honorable mention is Cintron. He's ALWAYS in it with a punch like his. But, if Feliciano can damn-near outbox you, (or outwork you, in that fight, it was the same thing), you'll be in trouble against Mayweather.

acelinofreitas1
02-15-2008, 10:24 AM
Mayweather is duckin cotto, why should he be up there?

THe TRiNiTY
02-15-2008, 10:32 AM
Mayweather is duckin cotto, why should he be up there?

Because he beat the TRUE champ. Ducking people can't ALWAYS be bad to you. Freitas ducked Casamayor...........


NOTE: Can someone move this.. I meant to open this up in Non Stop Boxing.

Gareth Ivanovic
02-15-2008, 12:20 PM
I agree with that list pretty much.

RageX
02-15-2008, 12:24 PM
By that ranking, Mayweather only needs to fight Cotto and then can retire for all I care.

Margarito lost to Williams
Williams recently lost to Quintana
Quintana lost to Cotto

He wont fight them because they lost recently and he wouldn't get much credit anyway. I know styles make fights but no way Mayweather fights them because they recently lost. Cotto is the guy who can present Money with the most Money out of that list. Know what I mean?

I hope the cotto fight happens when both of them are undefeated, because I heard Cotto is fighting Gomez, Mayorga and then Margarito for 2008 and IMO thats a bit of tough task for Miguel. so the Mayweather fight will happen in 2009 probably with Floyd fighting Oscar in September. and then March 2009 its on...hopefully

Left2body
02-15-2008, 12:46 PM
Mayweather fights better inside then most give him credit for. Williams has trouble finding his range with those who can hold their own within his reach. It's easier then most think to get inside that range, if you have movement. I see Mayweather getting into more movement if he fought Williams and shooting off combos on the inside. I think he busts Williams up, to be honest. I've always said that movement against a taller, longer-armed foe is the key, and Williams isn't anything, if he isn't a tall, long-armed opponent.

Mosley, I still think has the SPEED AND POWER to give Mayweather the most trouble out of the five, if you ask me. He just has the right tools. His age is catching up, so it needs to happen by the beginning of next year for him to have a true chance.

Margarito has the chin to keep going forward, his problem is that he needs to quit looping his punches. He hits a bit harder then Baldy does (my opinion) AND he is probably a BIT quicker. He's got a decent beard, except he throws more then Carlos does. That COULD create a problem for Mayweather as it's harder to dictate the pace against a busier and determined fighter.

Cotto can box well, and hits hard. Combinations are good, crisp punches, doesn't seem to fade, can stay on his toes and cuts off the ring to wear his opponents down, EXCEPTIONALLY well. He can go to the body like Hatton, except better and stronger with more skill. His problem is his chin. The punch you don't see (a fast one) is the one that hurts the most. And if Corley can get to his jaw and hurt him, so can Mayweather.

Quintana is a very good fighter. His problem is that he CAN get discouraged. Against Mayweather, that's NOT a good sign. HOWEVER, he hits pretty hard, good conditioning-wise, and has nice skills, in terms of overall boxing. He can stick to a gameplan, he just needs to stay focused. If he can keep his guard up and be as cagey against Floyd as he was against Julio and Williams, he has a boxer-punchers chance, so to speak. His problem will be that he has to keep busy and not let the fact that a lot of early and later rounds wil go to Mayweather if his workrate drops, bother him.

Mayweather can beat these guys, but I can see a couple of them being able to beat him.

I also think an honorable mention is Cintron. He's ALWAYS in it with a punch like his. But, if Feliciano can damn-near outbox you, (or outwork you, in that fight, it was the same thing), you'll be in trouble against Mayweather.

Not a bad assesment. I agree with most of it.

pabcs
02-15-2008, 02:18 PM
margarito should be above williams and quintana. quintana has one good win but margarito has been destroying welterweights for years and quintana would get brutally knocked out by the tijuana tornado.

ABOSWORTH
02-15-2008, 02:33 PM
margarito should be above williams and quintana. quintana has one good win but margarito has been destroying welterweights for years and quintana would get brutally knocked out by the tijuana tornado.

Pure and basic common sense.

El Chicano
02-15-2008, 04:22 PM
Because he beat the TRUE champ. Ducking people can't ALWAYS be bad to you. Freitas ducked Casamayor...........


NOTE: Can someone move this.. I meant to open this up in Non Stop Boxing.

How is Baldomir, The True Champ?!?! Come on now! By nature, the Ring Championship carried true weight when it first originated. They started by making the best fighters out there, who met a certain criteria the Ring Champion. But after a few years as the belt got passed on, it became the same as the alphabet titles. The Ring needs to relieve the Champion of his title if he fails to fight the Ring's Number One Challenger within a specified time period. That would be Cotto in the Welter Weight divsion. Cotto should be Ring Champ by now by pure virtue of Floyd ducking him and taking easy fights. Floyd is not the best in the division until he beats the best in the division, anything else is pure speculation.

Run
02-15-2008, 05:20 PM
my rankings of people who could give Money May the matchups.

Cotto
Margarito
Mosley
Quintana
Williams.

I agree with this. Although it's important to note that Williams is considered a more live body at this point than is Mosley. But that's of course not discrediting the basic fact that Mosley is the better fighter and More established.

Cotto would clearly be the guy right behind Floyd, (Really makes him the #1 challenger in most people's eyes) and based on quality of fighters alone (ring experience etc) Tony is just better than the rest of the WW division aside from those two.

Run
02-15-2008, 05:22 PM
Pure and basic common sense.

Yeah and it's not rocket science, he's clearly the third best welter taking into consideration that we're not counting De La Hoya.

THe TRiNiTY
02-15-2008, 06:01 PM
How is Baldomir, The True Champ?!?! Come on now! By nature, the Ring Championship carried true weight when it first originated. They started by making the best fighters out there, who met a certain criteria the Ring Champion. But after a few years as the belt got passed on, it became the same as the alphabet titles. The Ring needs to relieve the Champion of his title if he fails to fight the Ring's Number One Challenger within a specified time period. That would be Cotto in the Welter Weight divsion. Cotto should be Ring Champ by now by pure virtue of Floyd ducking him and taking easy fights. Floyd is not the best in the division until he beats the best in the division, anything else is pure speculation.

Mosley had the WBA and the IBA title and he unified with Oscar with the WBC title. Mosley won the unification bout and was the TRUE champion at the weight. He lost the title to Forrest, who then lost it to Ricardo Mayorga. Mayorga lost to Spinks, who then lost to Judah. Judah then lost to Baldomir and Mayweather beat Baldy.

How ISN'T he the champion?