View Full Version : lead left as opposed to the jab


danny stash
02-11-2008, 09:48 PM
Anyone use this much and to what effectiveness??

I use my jab as more of a weapon and sometimes my right hand is off the mark cuz the dudes head is snapped back so I am thinking what about just trying to knock dudes heads off with the lead left into a left hook??

gimme some feedback guys:boxing:

Count Patron
02-11-2008, 10:02 PM
A lead left is a jab... a left hook is a left hook. I don't get what you mean?

NachoMan
02-11-2008, 10:05 PM
A lead left is a jab... a left hook is a left hook. I don't get what you mean?

A lead left is not a jab. A lead left is is thrown from the rear foot from a southpaw stance. It is essentially the opposite of a lead right from a conventional stance.

Count Patron
02-11-2008, 10:07 PM
A lead left is not a jab. A lead left is is thrown from the rear (left) foot from a southpaw stance. It is essentially the opposite of a lead right from a conventional stance.

Eh yeah I guess... I just don't see the purpose of it.

danny stash
02-11-2008, 10:10 PM
I am confusing you guys, you are both right. I was talking more about using the jab as a KO punch and torqueing alot of body into it. I guess kinda like vlad klit. Just wondering if anyone throws a jab with bad intentions or do most of you just use it as your supposed to...

Count Patron
02-11-2008, 10:12 PM
I am confusing you guys, you are both right. I was talking more about using the jab as a KO punch and torqueing alot of body into it. I guess kinda like vlad klit. Just wondering if anyone throws a jab with bad intentions or do most of you just use it as your supposed to...

I've seen people throw their left more like a straight (more loading up on it) than as a jab. I personally use the left hook A LOT, never really a left "straight" though.

danny stash
02-11-2008, 10:16 PM
I've seen people throw their left more like a straight (more loading up on it) than as a jab. I personally use the left hook A LOT, never really a left "straight" though.
cool man, this is the responses I was looking for..

NachoMan
02-11-2008, 10:16 PM
Anyone use this much and to what effectiveness??

I use my jab as more of a weapon and sometimes my right hand is off the mark cuz the dudes head is snapped back so I am thinking what about just trying to knock dudes heads off with the lead left into a left hook??

gimme some feedback guys:boxing:

From what you say, sounds like you fight in a conventional stance. To throw a lead left, you'll need to be fighting southpaw. I wouldn't recommend switching to southpaw to throw a lead left followed by a left hook. That's pretty awkward. You'll be way off balance and you won't be throwing your left hook properly or with any power if it follows a southpaw lead left. Since you are worried about jabbing his head back with the left hand and missing with the follow-up right hand, I would simply recommend getting in the habit of pumping a double jab before you throw the right hand. I think that should help improve the timing of your right hand. I also think a double jab is good practice anyway, especially if your first jab comes up short. Just an idea.

danny stash
02-11-2008, 10:20 PM
From what you say, sounds like you fight in a conventional stance. To throw a lead left, you'll need to be fighting southpaw. I wouldn't recommend switching to southpaw to throw a lead left followed by a left hook. That's pretty awkward. You'll be way off balance and you won't be throwing your left hook properly or with any power if it follows a southpaw lead left. Since you are worried about jabbing his head back with the left hand and missing with the follow-up right hand, I would simply recommend getting in the habit of pumping a double jab before you throw the right hand. I think that should help improve the timing of your right hand. I also think a double jab is good practice anyway, especially if your first jab comes up short. Just an idea.
great point, I have been working on that as well as the single touch jab into the right...

Count Patron
02-11-2008, 10:27 PM
From what you say, sounds like you fight in a conventional stance. To throw a lead left, you'll need to be fighting southpaw. I wouldn't recommend switching to southpaw to throw a lead left followed by a left hook. That's pretty awkward. You'll be way off balance and you won't be throwing your left hook properly or with any power if it follows a southpaw lead left. Since you are worried about jabbing his head back with the left hand and missing with the follow-up right hand, I would simply recommend getting in the habit of pumping a double jab before you throw the right hand. I think that should help improve the timing of your right hand. I also think a double jab is good practice anyway, especially if your first jab comes up short. Just an idea.

What he is talking about is not what you are talking about. Some guys throw a more loaded jab from a conventional stance.... Klitscho being one of them. My concern with it is that I get a lot of power from my right straight from the downward angle it takes and the distance it has to build speed, with a left "straight" I don't see that happening without opening one's self up to a right counter punch... Klitscho did it well though, so it's not to be said it couldn't be done, I just wouldn't recommend a new person to use it, I have eaten several counter punches throwing left hooks, it's all timing and learning when and when not to throw it.

NachoMan
02-11-2008, 10:33 PM
I am confusing you guys, you are both right. I was talking more about using the jab as a KO punch and torqueing alot of body into it. I guess kinda like vlad klit. Just wondering if anyone throws a jab with bad intentions or do most of you just use it as your supposed to...

A jab should always be thrown with authority. A weak feeler-type jab serves little purpose. If you have trouble generating power from the jab, then its most likely a matter of technique. I would get with a trainer or other fighter in the gym who knows how to throw a proper jab. The jab isn't just a set-up punch, but rather the most important weapon a fighter has, so its definitely worth learning to throw it.

Talon
02-11-2008, 10:35 PM
he's talking about the left mosley was using against cotto.. i think its a good weapon to have in your toolbox . watch cotto vs mosley to see how it's done right

danny stash
02-11-2008, 10:42 PM
A jab should always be thrown with authority. A weak feeler-type jab serves little purpose. If you have trouble generating power from the jab, then its most likely a matter of technique. I would get with a trainer or other fighter in the gym who knows how to throw a proper jab. The jab isn't just a set-up punch, but rather the most important weapon a fighter has, so its definitely worth learning to throw it.
dude, I think you are totally confused or something, I am saying my jab sometimes can be too powerful and does not set up my right properly. I apreciate all the advice though...

danny stash
02-11-2008, 10:42 PM
he's talking about the left mosley was using against cotto.. i think its a good weapon to have in your toolbox . watch cotto vs mosley to see how it's done right
YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

danny stash
02-11-2008, 10:44 PM
What he is talking about is not what you are talking about. Some guys throw a more loaded jab from a conventional stance.... Klitscho being one of them. My concern with it is that I get a lot of power from my right straight from the downward angle it takes and the distance it has to build speed, with a left "straight" I don't see that happening without opening one's self up to a right counter punch... Klitscho did it well though, so it's not to be said it couldn't be done, I just wouldn't recommend a new person to use it, I have eaten several counter punches throwing left hooks, it's all timing and learning when and when not to throw it.
I here you bud, but I am not saying I am "new" necessarily but experimenting with some new techniques...

Thank you for your time and sage advice.

NachoMan
02-11-2008, 10:51 PM
dude, I think you are totally confused or something, I am saying my jab sometimes can be too powerful and does not set up my right properly. I apreciate all the advice though...

Very good then. I was sort of confused with what you were saying from post to post. You first indicated that you were popping guys heads back too much with your jab and then you asked if anybody throws their jab with bad intentions or if they "just used it as their supposed to." I understood the latter comment to mean "other than with bad intentions."

danny stash
02-11-2008, 10:52 PM
Very good then. I was sort of confused with what you were saying from post to post. You first indicated that you were popping guys heads back too much with your jab and then you asked if anybody throws their jab with bad intentions or if they "just used it as their supposed to." I understood the latter comment to mean "other than with bad intentions."
ahhh...clarity


LOL

thanks

fraidycat
02-11-2008, 11:51 PM
There's a time and a place for the lead straight but IMO it's not often. I think of it like the overhand punch or the uppercut; learn it and have it there when you need it.

mightymouse2k
02-12-2008, 08:58 AM
I use the lead left fairly often, usually to stophit an advancing opponent. Also i've had some success with a "rising" lead left to the opponents throat.

moin126
02-12-2008, 09:31 AM
moselys left? are you ****ing kidding me. His jab looks like a ****ing powder punch, IMO. Instead look at cotto's jab in the same fight, now thats a good jab.