I've just been cautioned guys and my brief has been warned that I may be charged with a section 18?

Towards the back end of November I was in a club on the Wirral and a Premiership footballer come in who I knew as a kid (he was my brothers mate), I went to talk to him and he was OK but he had an entourage who were a bunch of dicks.
This fat one told me that I had to move away as it was too crowded at the bar by this player, I obviously ignored him, in fact I just laughed at him and got my order and went back to my seat.

Later on as I was leaving, three of this 'entourage' followed me to a Chinese and waited until I came out (BTW I was on my own with my missus), they surrounded me as I came out so I waded in.
Long story short, the fat one ended up with a broken jaw (although I didn't know that until yesterday). At the time the Police were called and I made a statement but because of the time span had assumed that this was forgotten.

Anyway last night I was called by the copper who took my statement and was asked to report this morning where I was cautioned.

Thoughts guys, am I in the ****? I threw the first punch but they came at me and surrounded me?

I'm no expert on the law but you did it in self defence and to protect your missus, the fact that theres a group of them tells me your highly unlikely to start on them for no reson whatsoever, I should imagine you'll just get a slap on the wrist and a warning, you did what anybody else would do. What bar were you in btw im off out in liverpool later tonight.

Since you were alone with your wife and they followed you, I expect you'll be cleared.

I know it's nothing to laugh about but I'm glad to see your amateur boxing career came in handy.

3 on 1 and you with the wife.

You could have speared him with a freakin fire extinguisher and they would have cleared you.

Always press on the fact that your wife was with you and you were scared for her life and health. That usually works better then just telling them you were afraid for yourself.

All in all, the authorities should look at you favourably in this one.

I have no comment on the situation, but I enjoyed how the Yanks took "missus" to mean wife.

I have no comment on the situation, but I enjoyed how the Yanks took "missus" to mean wife.

Uh, I'm pretty sure Micky was talking about his wife. He always calls her that.

I have no comment on the situation, but I enjoyed how the Yanks took "missus" to mean wife.

Micky got a wife, as far as I remember about him.
So.....

I'm no expert on the law but you did it in self defence and to protect your missus, the fact that theres a group of them tells me your highly unlikely to start on them for no reson whatsoever, I should imagine you'll just get a slap on the wrist and a warning, you did what anybody else would do. What bar were you in btw im off out in liverpool later tonight.

That was my take on the matter, I mean its hardly the first scrape I've been in but....my brief was warned that I would be possibly be charged with a Section 18?
The law in the UK is a strange one, I have to prove apparently that I or my missus (wife) were in direct danger. The fact that three big guys aggressively surrounded me doesn't apparently prove that. However there were several witnesses so I'm fairly comfortable.

Cheers guys. I'll keep you informed.

Do you know if it is the fat guy whose jaw you broke that is pressing charges?

Do you know if it is the fat guy whose jaw you broke that is pressing charges?

Two of the three including the fat one, the only one who isn't is the third one, hes a doorman and I suppose it wont look good for his image!

Uh, I'm pretty sure Micky was talking about his wife. He always calls her that.

No biggie, it's just sweet. :luvbed: It's a colloquial term that all chavs call their girlfriends. Though he may well be married.

I've just been cautioned guys and my brief has been warned that I may be charged with a section 18?

Towards the back end of November I was in a club on the Wirral and a Premiership footballer come in who I knew as a kid (he was my brothers mate), I went to talk to him and he was OK but he had an entourage who were a bunch of dicks.
This fat one told me that I had to move away as it was too crowded at the bar by this player, I obviously ignored him, in fact I just laughed at him and got my order and went back to my seat.

Later on as I was leaving, three of this 'entourage' followed me to a Chinese and waited until I came out (BTW I was on my own with my missus), they surrounded me as I came out so I waded in.
Long story short, the fat one ended up with a broken jaw (although I didn't know that until yesterday). At the time the Police were called and I made a statement but because of the time span had assumed that this was forgotten.

Anyway last night I was called by the copper who took my statement and was asked to report this morning where I was cautioned.

Thoughts guys, am I in the ****? I threw the first punch but they came at me and surrounded me?
Sounds to me like you're in the **** mate. Section 18 is ****ing serious, my mate got charged with that and got four years - and he was lucky. It depends how the look at it, really. If the guy was an ethnic minority you're definitely ****ed because they don't want to appear racist. And if you threw the first punch then you were the first person to get violent. I hope I'm wrong mate, but you could be ****ed. A lot of people that get Section 18 get 7 or 8 years.

Sounds to me like you're in the **** mate. Section 18 is ****ing serious, my mate got charged with that and got four years - and he was lucky. It depends how the look at it, really. If the guy was an ethnic minority you're definitely ****ed because they don't want to appear racist. And if you threw the first punch then you were the first person to get violent. I hope I'm wrong mate, but you could be ****ed. A lot of people that get Section 18 get 7 or 8 years.

Yep, I was warned that this could be the worse case senario although highly unlikely based on the initial investigation.

No biggie, it's just sweet. :luvbed: It's a colloquial term that all chavs call their girlfriends. Though he may well be married.

I am married mate and definately not a chav, just a scouse term maybe?

Yep, I was warned that this could be the worse case senario although highly unlikely based on the initial investigation.
I can't believe they actually went to the old bill - **** suckers.

I think they'll have big problems trying to get you done with a section 18 anyway.

I think they'll have big problems trying to get you done with a section 18 anyway.

I ****in hope so mate.

I can't believe they actually went to the old bill - **** suckers.

They were called to the scene because the ambulance was so....they obviously then pressed charges.

What will go in my favour is that I actually called the Paramedics, plus they were threatening me from outside the Chinese takeaway and one of them took off his shirt before coming towards me so....

You shouldn't have anything to worry about. It will be your word against theirs 3 on 2 in their favour. They have to prove that they didn't start it. You can say they started it by shouting abuse at you in a club they followed you around.

You shouldn't have anything to worry about. It will be your word against theirs 3 on 2 in their favour. They have to prove that they didn't start it. You can say they started it by shouting abuse at you in a club they followed you around.

They also have to prove that excessive force was used during the fight. They have obviously pressed for a section 18 because of the broken jaw but they have to prove that the injury occurred as a result of unusual violence i.e. repeatedly striking in a way likely to cause serious injury. A couple of punches in a brawl doesn't really constitute that.

They were called to the scene because the ambulance was so....they obviously then pressed charges.

What will go in my favour is that I actually called the Paramedics, plus they were threatening me from outside the Chinese takeaway and one of them took off his shirt before coming towards me so....

Micky, always press the issue that your wife was in an immediate danger. I mean, I am gonna repeat this for as often as possible. From a legal standpoint it would have been better that you had kids around as well too.


That could help to fight off the charge, judges look favorable at cases of protection, and you can always say they started to close in on your wife and you did not have a choise but to defend(don't say 'attack', avoid the word at all costs, always stress the issue that you were defending/selfdefending)

They also have to prove that excessive force was used during the fight. They have obviously pressed for a section 18 because of the broken jaw but they have to prove that the injury occurred as a result of unusual violence i.e. repeatedly striking in a way likely to cause serious injury. A couple of punches in a brawl doesn't really constitute that.

That's it, common sense dictates plus my brief agreed that the injury is dictating the level of charge however the circumstances are stacked way in my favour.

Micky, always press the issue that your wife was in an immediate danger. I mean, I am gonna repeat this for as often as possible. From a legal standpoint it would have been better that you had kids around as well too.


That could help to fight off the charge, judges look favorable at cases of protection, and you can always say they started to close in on your wife and you did not have a choise but to defend(don't say 'attack', avoid the word at all costs, always stress the issue that you were defending/selfdefending)

Good advice agreed, that the stance I have taken, three guys threatened me and were about to attack me and my wife and I defended myself with minimum force. I then tended one of the injured men before calling an ambulance.

Good advice agreed, that the stance I have taken, three guys threatened me and were about to attack me and my wife and I defended myself with minimum force. I then tended one of the injured men before calling an ambulance.

This is very good, it will fight off any sort of "malicious intent" charge.

I am married mate and definately not a chav, just a scouse term maybe?

Didn't mean it brother (I thought I was talking to MickeyB actually... whoops)

Didn't mean it brother (I thought I was talking to MickeyB actually... whoops)

I did own a Shell suit or two once though :o

if convicted you will probably get a small fine+costs, worst case suspended sentence, looking back though it might be worth it, least that prick wont be eating a Chinese for a while.
Downside though is a conviction that will follow you around could harm future job prospects.

if convicted you will probably get a small fine+costs, worst case suspended sentence, looking back though it might be worth it, least that prick wont be eating a Chinese for a while.
Downside though is a conviction that will follow you around could harm future job prospects.

Outside a spell in nick this is all I'm worried about.

I've got a criminal record mate - unless you wanna work with kids etc then it's not a problem. Just don't tell em! I've had it for coming up to 6 years and not been caught for not telling any employers. In fact, I'm now a manager lol.

The only **** thing really is that you can't get into the US. Ever.

I've got a criminal record mate - unless you wanna work with kids etc then it's not a problem. Just don't tell em! I've had it for coming up to 6 years and not been caught for not telling any employers. In fact, I'm now a manager lol.

The only **** thing really is that you can't get into the US. Ever.

I am Regional Business Manager for the NHS mate, becuase I have access to 'sensitive' data from time to time I have to submit to a yearly CRB check so......

Mate, DON'T tell the cops that you have got boxing experience. That would be a mistake, and the CPS could use it against you.

From what you have said Micky you should be OK, they approached you, they came in force, one of them took of his shirt and you aided one of them and called an ambulance.

If the CPS put this through I will be surprised, if it goes in front of a judge then I cant see him convicting you especially with your military record etc.

From what you have said Micky you should be OK, they approached you, they came in force, one of them took of his shirt and you aided one of them and called an ambulance.

If the CPS put this through I will be surprised, if it goes in front of a judge then I cant see him convicting you especially with your military record etc.

My brief is confident mate, plus apparently there is CCTV footage so...

Storm in a tea cup anyone?

Storm in a tea cup anyone?
not just now thankyou maybe later

I aint put N kettle on gain.

Storm in a tea cup anyone?

How? The guy could do time? Why bother commenting?

my mate got charged with section 18 but he did alot worse, a gang of lads turned up outside his house wanting a fight so he went out with a snooker cue and broke it over one of the lads heads, the lad was in hospital for 5 months and he only got tagged so .. youll prolli get away with it, he had been in prison before too

How? The guy could do time? Why bother commenting?
yes but it's incredibly unlikely, court costs and the ticking off, it’s the mark on his record that is worrying him, might stop him getting certain jobs spent convictions can now come back and bite you on the arse recent law changes makes back ground checks compulsory with certain jobs, civil service jobs, education hospitals, before the change you didn’t need to inform anyone of a spent conviction.

Storm in a tea cup anyone?

If you say so mate.

yes but it's incredibly unlikely, court costs and the ticking off, it’s the mark on his record that is worrying him, might stop him getting certain jobs spent convictions can now come back and bite you on the arse recent law changes makes back ground checks compulsory with certain jobs, civil service jobs, education hospitals, before the change you didn’t need to inform anyone of a spent conviction.

Yep, I've worked ****in hard to get to where I am and because of a couple of dickheads.....

Hopefully I'll find out soon so I can get back to reality, or not!

Lady Justice was raped and killed a long time ago in the UK....
The only place on Earth where the criminals have more rights than the victims.. and the Honest working man is the scrounge of society...

No matter who was at fault.. the point is.. Mickyhatton is a Good guy and and an Honest working man... I suspect he is ****ed.. :puppy_dog

Lady Justice was raped and killed a long time ago in the UK....
The only place on Earth where the criminals have more rights than the victims.. and the Honest working man is the scrounge of society...

No matter who was at fault.. the point is.. Mickyhatton is a Good guy and and an Honest working man... I suspect he is ****ed.. :puppy_dog

Lol, you may be right Welter :(

If you say so mate.

What I'm saying is that it will be fine.

If you have been cautioned then it is the end of the matter as far as the police are concerned.. The people may pursue you in a civil court and you may have to pay them but there will be no jail.

If you have been cautioned then it is the end of the matter as far as the police are concerned.. The people may pursue you in a civil court and you may have to pay them but there will be no jail.

Nope, I have been 'read my rights' i.e. cautioned. I wont know if I am being charged until perhaps next week.

What I'm saying is that it will be fine.

Oh OK, didn't seem like that but I am a bit touchy at the minute. :)

Nope, I have been 'read my rights' i.e. cautioned. I wont know if I am being charged until perhaps next week.
you will get a letter one way or the other saying whats going to happen, chances are the filth will drop it, fingers crossed anyway matey, let us know though, wouldn't worry about civil case though, it's pretty much worthless.

That was my take on the matter, I mean its hardly the first scrape I've been in but....my brief was warned that I would be possibly be charged with a Section 18?
The law in the UK is a strange one, I have to prove apparently that I or my missus (wife) were in direct danger. The fact that three big guys aggressively surrounded me doesn't apparently prove that. However there were several witnesses so I'm fairly comfortable.

Cheers guys. I'll keep you informed.

If you could get your brothers mate to say what happened in the club it would work in your favour too. The fact that they were seen being aggressive in a different place, and obviously must have followed you, that pretty much proves that it was they who had the malicious intent, not you. You were with the wife, you helped the guy and phoned for help and he took his shirt off (LMAO, btw), you *should* have all charges dropped. I would hate to get your hopes up only for you to get done, but I think you will be ok. Good luck mate. :kiss:

you will get a letter one way or the other saying whats going to happen, chances are the filth will drop it, fingers crossed anyway matey, let us know though, wouldn't worry about civil case though, it's pretty much worthless.

If you could get your brothers mate to say what happened in the club it would work in your favour too. The fact that they were seen being aggressive in a different place, and obviously must have followed you, that pretty much proves that it was they who had the malicious intent, not you. You were with the wife, you helped the guy and phoned for help and he took his shirt off (LMAO, btw), you *should* have all charges dropped. I would hate to get your hopes up only for you to get done, but I think you will be ok. Good luck mate. :kiss:

Cheers guys. The shirt is funny now you come to mention it :D

As for my brothers mate, I wouldn't know where to reach him, he plays for Wigan these days so....

Cheers guys. The shirt is funny now you come to mention it :D

As for my brothers mate, I wouldn't know where to reach him, he plays for Wigan these days so....

Well the place must have CCTV to prove you were speaking to him. That and a name is all it would take, the police down Wigan would take a statement and it would be sent to your local station, hopefully then all charges will dropped.

Well the place must have CCTV to prove you were speaking to him. That and a name is all it would take, the police down Wigan would take a statement and it would be sent to your local station, hopefully then all charges will dropped.

Excellent point, Ill mention that, cheers!

Excellent point, Ill mention that, cheers!

No problem, all the best.

One other thing though, good on you for ****ing the kids jaw up, sounds like that ****head deserved it. :boxing:

In my experience restaurants fastfood outlets wont get involved, and any CCTV footage will be long gone now as they reuse the tape very quickly afterwards, if the police haven’t said anything about video footage by now then it probably wont exist.
Takeaways hate getting involved with anything that doesn’t involve their shop, I have seen it many times when I have been out in Newcastle were this thing happens every weekend.

That was my take on the matter, I mean its hardly the first scrape I've been in but....my brief was warned that I would be possibly be charged with a Section 18?
The law in the UK is a strange one, I have to prove apparently that I or my missus (wife) were in direct danger. The fact that three big guys aggressively surrounded me doesn't apparently prove that. However there were several witnesses so I'm fairly comfortable.

Cheers guys. I'll keep you informed.

Your brief always tells you the worst case scenario so you are prepared.
I have experience...

On another note I know a guy who was up in Bradford crown court for a similar "offence".
3 lads tried to have him over for GBH and actual bodily harm etc....
When it got to court the jury came back unanimous within 30 minutes....not guilty.
And he didn't have a bird with him.

It depends, If they came and were aggressive towards you and you felt like they were going to attack you, you could have them for ASSULT.

If this was the case then you were committing self defence, both sides to the case would then kind of counter act each other, so nothing will probably be done to both parties.

Just had a call regarding this, the CPS do not want to pursue this case any further so unless it becomes civil then.....I'm in the clear!

Thank **** for that, back to my life.

Just had a call regarding this, the CPS do not want to pursue this case any further so unless it becomes civil then.....I'm in the clear!

Thank **** for that, back to my life.
fair play mate pleased for ya

remember you saying how hard you'd worked in your current job to get where you was.... now you can get back to trying to convince your missus for that threesome with the page 3 girl!!

Just had a call regarding this, the CPS do not want to pursue this case any further so unless it becomes civil then.....I'm in the clear!

Thank **** for that, back to my life.

Pleased to hear that mate. I never really thought there was a case to answer but you never know with the Pigs these days.

Just had a call regarding this, the CPS do not want to pursue this case any further so unless it becomes civil then.....I'm in the clear!

Thank **** for that, back to my life.

Ye great news man

:friday:

fair play mate pleased for ya

remember you saying how hard you'd worked in your current job to get where you was.... now you can get back to trying to convince your missus for that threesome with the page 3 girl!!

Cheers buddy, as for the threesome I've got ****in no hope.

Pleased to hear that mate. I never really thought there was a case to answer but you never know with the Pigs these days.

Ye great news man

:friday:

Cheers guys.

Good to hear that, british justice has gone tits up if they even considered punishing for protecting yourself and wife against three men who showed threatening behaviour

Cheers buddy, as for the threesome I've got ****in no hope.

You never know, the good old "Remember when I stopped those men from killing you? Well it's your turn to help me......" might work :banana:

Yeah technically you'd have to be actually attacked for it to be classed as self defence. The circumstances seem to be in your favour though.

Yeah technically you'd have to be actually attacked for it to be classed as self defence. The circumstances seem to be in your favour though.

Yeah mate, it seems that way hence its been dropped. Could have gone pear shaped though!