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Dynamite Kid 02-06-2008, 06:07 PM Positives from Englands performance .thought Bentley was class ive been wanting Bentley to get his chance for England since i saw him play for England u21 in the 1st game back at wembley against Italy he was absolute class in that game & reasurred me then he was easily good enough for the 1st team ,Quality delivery ,creative ,Scores Goals ,great technique awswell
i was pleased with the way England controlled the game more than usual they seem to be solid defensively compact ,for once they actually saw the game out without panicking even when there was only a 1 goal difference between the side ,the McClaren side would have dropped deeper & deeper got nervous & would have ended up conceding an equaliser
Mozza 02-06-2008, 06:42 PM Finally an England manager who knows how to use Joe Cole. The second half performance was probably England's best since the friendly win over Argentina a few years ago. It will be interesting to see whether there is a place for Lampard when he comes back, I have my doubts.
fasman 02-06-2008, 06:50 PM joe cole played well, bentley was class....
Gerrard patrolled the midfield with ease....
Overall a confidence booster.....
Dynamite Kid 02-06-2008, 07:07 PM Finally an England manager who knows how to use Joe Cole. The second half performance was probably England's best since the friendly win over Argentina a few years ago. It will be interesting to see whether there is a place for Lampard when he comes back, I have my doubts.
i agree , i dont think Fat Frank gets back in id bench him
the thing that impressed me the most was The Patience England showed ,under Sven & McClaren there was to much Long ball football and not enough Football played through Midfeild
i still hear England fans booing:nonono: though ,what do they want England to do attack with reckless abandon the way they did under McClaren against Coatia that is one of the reasons they lost to Croatia IMO not playing intelligently enough ,playing Patient football is how u win games at International level ,England need to realise we need to sacrifice this all out attack style to be more successfull in Tournaments
denboy 02-06-2008, 07:57 PM I am glad Psychos getting involved now, as long as Capello remains the brains of the outfit.
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I thought it was a terrible performance to be honest. Rooney was ****, he couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.
Too right the fans booed, it was a friendly and we were playing ****ing Switzerland not Brazil.
Why did he not play Owen, our best striker?
Bentley sucks, I don't care what you say he didn't do **** all and he free kicks and corners were ****. When I saw Crouch come on I knew this manager was a joke.
DURAN_IS_GOD 02-07-2008, 04:19 AM you seriously think michael owen is our best striker? dear oh dear, this is 2008 not 2000 mate
he has lost the one thing he had in his favour.... pace. His first touch has always been **** and he's relied on getting on the defenders shoulders and being fed balls by players such as gerard, scholes, beckham. Now his pace has eluded him we finally see his overall game is not good enough.
duffgun 02-07-2008, 04:49 AM I thought the performance was good enough, The team just needs to work together now it doesn’t really matter if its not 100% at the moment its still ages before the world cup qualifiers. Owen should not play imo.
Technical_Skill 02-07-2008, 04:52 AM For what its worth, i saw about 3 mins of this game, in those 3 mins for the second half i saw england PASSING the ball around and managing to keep it for more than 4 passes, thats a start, Capello is a winner, i cant stand him, but he wins, and he wins quickly, you cant write off england with this guy in charge.
MickyHatton 02-07-2008, 05:00 AM I think it was a nervous performance first half but an encouraging second half.
Positives - Bentley, Joe Cole, Jenas. Gerrard looked more like himself and we looked fairly compact and assured.
Negatives - Ashley Cole was extremely poor, Wes Brown and Barry didn't have the best games either IMO.
As for the Crouch criticism, I'm not sure why after so many goals and decent performances for England he still receives grief? 14 goals in 24 games is superb!!! (That's the same amount as Rooney in 16 less games) Also he links the play, holds up the ball and makes chances (like the flick on last night that led to the WP goal.
As for Owen, great finisher still but he has lost so much pace that he is not the Owen of old. Time will tell, but at the moment he needs games.
In summary a good overall performance of the back of the Croatia disaster, Cappello is possibly the best qualified manager we have ever had and understands international football.
A step in the right direction.
duffgun 02-07-2008, 05:20 AM I think it was a nervous performance first half but an encouraging second half.
Positives - Bentley, Joe Cole, Jenas. Gerrard looked more like himself and we looked fairly compact and assured.
Negatives - Ashley Cole was extremely poor, Wes Brown and Barry didn't have the best games either IMO.
As for the Crouch criticism, I'm not sure why after so many goals and decent performances for England he still receives grief? 14 goals in 24 games is superb!!! (That's the same amount as Rooney in 16 less games) Also he links the play, holds up the ball and makes chances (like the flick on last night that led to the WP goal.
As for Owen, great finisher still but he has lost so much pace that he is not the Owen of old. Time will tell, but at the moment he needs games.
In summary a good overall performance of the back of the Croatia disaster, Cappello is possibly the best qualified manager we have ever had and understands international football.
A step in the right direction.
I always think that crouch is a good player to have on the bench as he gives you a different option and he does score goals.
Don Gorgon 02-07-2008, 05:39 AM Very functional performance, glad that Jenas scored (naturally).
Given that Capello only had 3 days to work with the players I think he did well, the most important thing was to win. We were never going to turn them over 6-0.
Our next game away to France will be obviously much tougher, we'll have Lamps (maybe JT) back as well so it'll be interesting to see how Capello plays it.
I'd have started with Hargreaves over Barry to be honest, Hargreaves has a higher workrate. But I'm happy Capello has picked what he believes is the strongest team, not the media's team. Also everyone played in their natural positions which was refreshing.
DURAN_IS_GOD 02-07-2008, 05:50 AM i didn't see the game last night, i was out on a date... thats right im the man!
however from what i've read bentley, rooney, cole and gerard were the star men. Don Gordon, i think hargreaves is a good hustling player and gets about the park well, however his passing at times is poor and his first touch can be off.... you could argue barry offers a bit more technically. However i guess in the holding role your main job is breaking things up and giving the ball to the players that create
Don Gorgon 02-07-2008, 06:58 AM to be fair I'm happy to have 2 good quality players battling it out for that position. better than putting centre backs there! what a pile of bollox that was!
Dynamite Kid 02-07-2008, 10:38 AM I thought it was a terrible performance to be honest. Rooney was ****, he couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.
Too right the fans booed, it was a friendly and we were playing ****ing Switzerland not Brazil.
Why did he not play Owen, our best striker?
Bentley sucks, I don't care what you say he didn't do **** all and he free kicks and corners were ****. When I saw Crouch come on I knew this manager was a joke.
England fans like u make me sick
yes England could have played more openly & won by a bigger margine but this exercise is about adapting to a formation a tactics that we can apply to most games that we play in ,against the so called lesser teams we play a 4-4-2 with no holding Midfielder , we know we are superior but what is the point of that when we change our formation alltogther against the Top sides ,whats the point in spanking averaged sides with one formation 4-4-2 & then going 3-5-2 ,4-4-1-1 against a top side we might aswell use the exercise to experimant against the lesser teams for when we come up against the top sides
we need to think about life after Beckham & Owen ,if your team is bulit around 2 players it is a bit sad IMO, especially when u consider one is an old man & the other is never Injury free ,we might aswell bench them for a whille & concentrate on developing other players in the side who can gain valuable experience
WTF Bentely sucks Lmao he showed the best vision best touch out of every England player on the pitch ,the kid is quality
u have to remember how low this team was after the McClaren mess ,Capello has had 3 days to work with these lads a bit of patience would'nt go a miss ,what is the point of going to the match if your gonna Boo the players ,talk about counter productive your called a supporter for a reason the clue is in the title
get behind the team , stop being a hater
MickyHatton 02-07-2008, 11:38 AM I always think that crouch is a good player to have on the bench as he gives you a different option and he does score goals.
He is mate.
I like a lot of Liverpool fans inwardly groaned when I heard we were signing him because he looks so awkward and gangly but he is absolute quality.
His control and touch is fantastic, he has flair and can score goals. If he is played from the start he can hold the ball up and bring the midfield into play, if he comes off the bench he offers a route 1 option.
He isn't the quickest but he offers something different and can score goals, in fact he has scored more goals for England than many of the so called super strikers namely Fowler, Wright, Beardsley and Sheringham playing either a similar amount or far less games!
col Blake 02-07-2008, 01:04 PM Bentley didn’t seem to tired to play for England last night unlike his under-21s no-show the prick, wonder how Stu Pearce thinks of him now as he now part of the full teams backroom staff.
PATO 1 02-07-2008, 02:13 PM good performance first half they were nervous and i think the pressue shown
2nd half england passed well opened up the swiss with brilliant through balls and delicate chips
capello is the best manager in the world an england are lucky to have him
col Blake 02-07-2008, 03:15 PM i didn't see the game last night, i was out on a date... thats right im the man!
however from what i've read bentley, rooney, cole and gerard were the star men. Don Gordon, i think hargreaves is a good hustling player and gets about the park well, however his passing at times is poor and his first touch can be off.... you could argue barry offers a bit more technically. However i guess in the holding role your main job is breaking things up and giving the ball to the players that create
out with a bird when the match was on
you have it bad man.
England fans like u make me sick
yes England could have played more openly & won by a bigger margine but this exercise is about adapting to a formation a tactics that we can apply to most games that we play in ,against the so called lesser teams we play a 4-4-2 with no holding Midfielder , we know we are superior but what is the point of that when we change our formation alltogther against the Top sides ,whats the point in spanking averaged sides with one formation 4-4-2 & then going 3-5-2 ,4-4-1-1 against a top side we might aswell use the exercise to experimant against the lesser teams for when we come up against the top sides
we need to think about life after Beckham & Owen ,if your team is bulit around 2 players it is a bit sad IMO, especially when u consider one is an old man & the other is never Injury free ,we might aswell bench them for a whille & concentrate on developing other players in the side who can gain valuable experience
WTF Bentely sucks Lmao he showed the best vision best touch out of every England player on the pitch ,the kid is quality
u have to remember how low this team was after the McClaren mess ,Capello has had 3 days to work with these lads a bit of patience would'nt go a miss ,what is the point of going to the match if your gonna Boo the players ,talk about counter productive your called a supporter for a reason the clue is in the title
get behind the team , stop being a hater
I'm not a fan of the team, they play **** and that game proved it. All the fans after the game said it was a terrible performance and it was.
It was a friendly not a real game, fans went to see attacking football and goals, instead they saw England barley scrape by with a win.
England were playing an extremely weak Switzerland side and still we couldn't beat them convincingly. The constant passing back was painful to watch.
DURAN_IS_GOD 02-07-2008, 03:39 PM out with a bird when the match was on
you have it bad man.
the worst part is i only got a kiss and a cuddle.... ****ing 3rd date and she's still playing hard to get...
i think its time to call it a day with her
col Blake 02-07-2008, 05:04 PM the worst part is i only got a kiss and a cuddle.... ****ing 3rd date and she's still playing hard to get...
i think its time to call it a day with her
we used to call that top hand outside
Dynamite Kid 02-07-2008, 05:46 PM I'm not a fan of the team, they play **** and that game proved it. All the fans after the game said it was a terrible performance and it was.
It was a friendly not a real game, fans went to see attacking football and goals, instead they saw England barley scrape by with a win.
England were playing an extremely weak Switzerland side and still we couldn't beat them convincingly. The constant passing back was painful to watch.
Most England fans criticise cause they are 'nt realistic we are'nt Brazil no matter how much some England fans like to believe we are ,the Switzerlamd side were Extremely weak well they cant be that bad they qualified for 2004 & they were into the last 16 of the World Cup in 2006 not bad credentials for an extremely weak side eh
like i said it is Capello 1st game in charge ,we were experimenting with a new Formation a different Team WTF do u expect from them ,we played patient football cause thats how u achieve success at international football ,what do u suggest we do take risks & try & steam roll them like we tried to do to Croatia & end up leaving space for them to exploit ,the footaball u want us to play is the football we have been unsuccessfull with for over 40 years clearly it is time for a more methodical balanced approach to games ,if we have to sacrifice a bit of entertainment then so be it as far as im concerned
i did'nt even think England played badly either ,they were a bit boring 1st half but they were much better 2nd half ,the changes towards then end of the game upset the Rythm some what but all in all i was pleased with the performance
Unseen 02-07-2008, 06:01 PM tbh where are the ****ign hooligans. i use to be proud that we would destroy pubs and abrs and make the opposition scared. now all we have are real english supporters who don't make no trouble. bastards.
Most England fans criticise cause they are 'nt realistic we are'nt Brazil no matter how much some England fans like to believe we are ,the Switzerlamd side were Extremely weak well they cant be that bad they qualified for 2004 & they were into the last 16 of the World Cup in 2006 not bad credentials for an extremely weak side eh
like i said it is Capello 1st game in charge ,we were experimenting with a new Formation a different Team WTF do u expect from them ,we played patient football cause thats how u achieve success at international football ,what do u suggest we do take risks & try & steam roll them like we tried to do to Croatia & end up leaving space for them to exploit ,the footaball u want us to play is the football we have been unsuccessfull with for over 40 years clearly it is time for a more methodical balanced approach to games ,if we have to sacrifice a bit of entertainment then so be it as far as im concerned
i did'nt even think England played badly either ,they were a bit boring 1st half but they were much better 2nd half ,the changes towards then end of the game upset the Rythm some what but all in all i was pleased with the performance
The team England played were extremely weak, I think only 2 regulars were on the side. Cappello is no means a great manger, he goes into big clubs and wins trophies. You or me could do that, it's not a hard thing to do when you have world class players like he did. I should be England manager because I know best. :D
Richards and Wright-Phillps on the right. Bridge and Cole on the left. You are guaranteed a win, if we attack.
Dynamite Kid 02-07-2008, 11:06 PM The team England played were extremely weak, I think only 2 regulars were on the side. Cappello is no means a great manger, he goes into big clubs and wins trophies. You or me could do that, it's not a hard thing to do when you have world class players like he did. I should be England manager because I know best. :D
Richards and Wright-Phillps on the right. Bridge and Cole on the left. You are guaranteed a win, if we attack.
Bridge & Cole on the left LMFAO
Bridge & Cole on the left LMFAO
Wayne Bridge and Joe Cole on the left wing...what's wrong with that? :confused:
DURAN_IS_GOD 02-08-2008, 04:26 AM Wayne Bridge and Joe Cole on the left wing...what's wrong with that? :confused:
i think he thought you meant cashley cole....
regardless mate you still think michael owen should be in the team.... give me a break. At least capello is picking a team based on form which is good news and gets rid of the Primadonna attitude we've had for the past few years
i think he thought you meant cashley cole....
regardless mate you still think michael owen should be in the team.... give me a break. At least capello is picking a team based on form which is good news and gets rid of the Primadonna attitude we've had for the past few years
Owen proved to be invaluable to England, he doesn't play well for the toon, but he does for England. He is Englands only natural goal scorer, I don't care what anybody says about Crouch, he sucks and it still a shock to see him play.
Rooney had about 10 shots and only 1 on target, but yet I still here "he was man of the match, best player on the field" he is a striker for gods sake, not a winger, or full back.
Every time I saw him he was ****ing up.
War For 94 02-08-2008, 09:49 AM People who boo their own team whether it's international or club football just don't understand football and shouldn't be anywhere near a football stadium.
In short; They should be shot.
People who boo their own team whether it's international or club football just don't understand football and shouldn't be anywhere near a football stadium.
In short; They should be shot.
I couldn't read your posts, my eyes couldn't move from the boobs.
Don Gorgon 02-08-2008, 09:59 AM I'm just happy that Capello is picking on form, I can't help but think the usual suspects will return in a year though. Lamps/Gerrard centre mid.
PATO 1 02-08-2008, 01:10 PM The team England played were extremely weak, I think only 2 regulars were on the side. Cappello is no means a great manger, he goes into big clubs and wins trophies. You or me could do that, it's not a hard thing to do when you have world class players like he did. I should be England manager because I know best. :D
Richards and Wright-Phillps on the right. Bridge and Cole on the left. You are guaranteed a win, if we attack.
capello isnt a great manager
HAHAHAHAHHA
capello isnt a great manager
HAHAHAHAHHA
I'm glad we can agree.
Dynamite Kid 02-08-2008, 02:38 PM Rizoom
U Say Wayne Bridge should replace Ashley Cole LOL, Bridge is **** mate he is the most one footed player ive ever seen his defending is'nt no where near as good as Ashley Cole's ,the only adavantage u get with Bridge from what ive seen is he is a better crosser of the ball & he likes to hug the touch line to give u more width but lets not get it twisted his primary Job is defending & Cole does that far better & Cole's allround attacking dimmension is better
as for Owen ,yes he is a great goal scorer but we are building aTEAMnow ,we cannot build our hopes on the fitness of one Player who is constantly Injured that is the reason we failed to qualify IMO if we had a TEAM that was not based around Michael Owen scoring the decisve Goals we would have qualified for the Euro
Owen is not strong enough ,has a poor touch ,his passing is abismal ,he is a good player if u play to his strengths but we are trying to build a team not base it around individuals cause they are 1 dimmensional ,what variety of Formation can u play with Owen in your side besides 4-4-2 none because he is to small to play up on his own he does'nt bring people into the game his game is based on sniffing out chances ,i would rather have a striker who can create opurtunites & openings for the TEAMas well as score goals
Rizoom
U Say Wayne Bridge should replace Ashley Cole LOL, Bridge is **** mate he is the most one footed player ive ever seen his defending is'nt no where near as good as Ashley Cole's ,the only adavantage u get with Bridge from what ive seen is he is a better crosser of the ball & he likes to hug the touch line to give u more width but lets not get it twisted his primary Job is defending & Cole does that far better & Cole's allround attacking dimmension is better
as for Owen ,yes he is a great goal scorer but we are building aTEAMnow ,we cannot build our hopes on the fitness of one Player who is constantly Injured that is the reason we failed to qualify IMO if we had a TEAM that was not based around Michael Owen scoring the decisve Goals we would have qualified for the Euro
Owen is not strong enough ,has a poor touch ,his passing is abismal ,he is a good player if u play to his strengths but we are trying to build a team not base it around individuals cause they are 1 dimmensional ,what variety of Formation can u play with Owen in your side besides 4-4-2 none because he is to small to play up on his own he does'nt bring people into the game is game is based on sniffing out chances ,i would rather have a striker who can create opurtunites & openings for the TEAMas well as score goals
I couldn't be bothered to read the whole post because you don't know what your talking about. Bridge is a better left back A. Cole every Chelsea fan says so and to say that the reason we didn't qualify for Euro 08 was Owen fault is plain ludicrous, he is the only reason we came close, IMO.
He scored 1 against Estonia, 1 against Israel and 2 against Russia.
Rooney scored in the game against Estonia and the loss in Russia.
Dynamite Kid 02-08-2008, 03:15 PM I couldn't be bothered to read the whole post because you don't know what your talking about. Bridge is a better left back A. Cole every Chelsea fan says so and to say that the reason we didn't qualify for Euro 08 was Owen fault is plain ludicrous, he is the only reason we came close, IMO.
He scored 1 against Estonia, 1 against Israel and 2 against Russia.
Rooney scored in the game against Estonia and the loss in Russia.
i dont know what im talking about or the common sense i posted was scrambling your brain :smashfrea
Cole has been in poor form but he is a far better Player than Bridge i dont need to ask Chelsea fans im an Arsenal fan i no how good Cole is
i said one of the reason was Owen i did'nt say Owen was the only reason :bottle: ,but if we had developed a better Team ethic we would 'nt have missed Owen's Goals could we would have got by without him we relied on him & we paid the price for it
u think Bridge is better than Cole :nonono: & u think David Bently played poorly & im the one who know dont know what im talking about :owned2:
col Blake 02-08-2008, 03:17 PM picking on form, how the **** did A.Cole play then, he's been ****e, but you're right about the others though least he looks outside the big four a bit
i dont know what im talking about or the common sense i posted was scrambling your brain :smashfrea
Cole has been in poor form but he is a far better Player than Bridge i dont need to ask Chelsea fans im an Arsenal fan i no how good Cole is
i said one of the reason was Owen i did'nt say Owen was the only reason :bottle: ,but if we had developed a better Team ethic we would 'nt have missed Owen's Goals could we would have got by without him we relied on him & we paid the price for it
u think Bridge is better than Cole :nonono: & u think David Bently played poorly & im the one who know dont know what im talking about :owned2:
I hope I'm proven wrong, but I just didn't see anything positive in that friendly. Do you really think Bentley would be first choice over Wrighty and Beckham?
Dynamite Kid 02-09-2008, 12:38 AM I hope I'm proven wrong, but I just didn't see anything positive in that friendly. Do you really think Bentley would be first choice over Wrighty and Beckham?
damn right i do SWP has poor delievery ,his 1st touch is often poor aswell the biggest + with SWP is he scores Goals & he is quick he can stretch the defence
as for Beckham ,how old will he be in 2010 exaclty ,there is no point in relying on him he wil more than likely be finished by the time 2010 comes around ,Imo perfect reason to blood people like Bentley ,Young ,Lennon,etc so they can get valuable experience for when 2010 comes around
u seem to me like a very pessimistic person by nature ,think positive :beerchug:
Bentley has great Technique ,great passer short & long scores Goals ,scores set pieces what more do u want from a wide man
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