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Kick them out


Gladly. they can **** off if they come near me with that anti Alan ****.

.....Yeah, nice job allowing those ****ing scum bags to take hold.

In all seriousness Jihad has been waged on the western world and the only way to avoid it is to induct sharia law into our laws (which wont happen).

I really despise people in our country that follow this bull****. Its like take a year out of your religion do some original research and realise that its all rubbish :nonono:

you lot are taking over Spain, just move there

lot of **** bein talked Islam is a real peaceful religion but obvioysly like everything sum people get carried away.
Jihad has various meanings and has been taken out of context to an extent

I'm sure the many thousands who fought and died in World war 2 are turning in their graves.
Imagine if they could speak today what they would say to what has become of Britain.
Not just on Race & Religious issues but right across the board from the Welfare state to the lack of morals and Rampant crime.
Those who fought did so with the intention of keeping the British nation free from Zealots & Fanatacism.
They encountered terrible conditions , which most people could never dream of.
Seeing their freinds blown to pieces then having to sleep next to them at night in their trenches.
Lessons that should never have been forgotten.
Ah well.
Rule Britannia.......

I'm sure the many thousands who fought and died in World war 2 are turning in their graves.
Imagine if they could speak today what they would say to what has become of Britain.
Not just on Race & Religious issues but right across the board from the Welfare state to the lack of morals and Rampant crime.
Those who fought did so with the intention of keeping the British nation free from Zealots & Fanatacism.
They encountered terrible conditions , which most people could never dream of.
Seeing their freinds blown to pieces then having to sleep next to them at night in their trenches.
Lessons that should never have been forgotten.
Ah well.
Rule Britannia.......

I was thinking if king Henry the 8th was around today we would not have none of this ****.

Every Mosque in the UK should be burnt to a cinder and Islam outlawed.

This is the UK not New Islamabad. If you don't like it, **** off.

End of story.

I was thinking if king Henry the 8th was around today we would not have none of this ****.
Cromwell would be a better alt than Henry VIII, it's the scared to say anything incase I upset people **** I don't like.

What a pointless ****ing thread...

Seriously, if you dont like what's happening in YOUR country then get the **** up and do something about it, don't sit behind your computer and post this useless trash....

What a pointless ****ing thread...

Seriously, if you dont like what's happening in YOUR country then get the **** up and do something about it, don't sit behind your computer and post this useless trash....

What can one do without being labeled a racist or blown into smitherines o tell me fasman.

What can one do without being labeled a racist or blown into smitherines o tell me fasman.

Become ****ing politicians...

If your all so eager to throw muslims out, then use your ****ing brains and think...

If you're being labelled racists that is because what you speak of is racism and dont gimme that bull**** about being blown up, when was a last BNP member of the party blown up, or when were the last group of Skinheads blown up....

Become ****ing politicians...

If your all so eager to throw muslims out, then use your ****ing brains and think...

If you're being labelled racists that is because what you speak of is racism and dont gimme that bull**** about being blown up, when was a last BNP member of the party blown up, or when were the last group of Skinheads blown up....

Lmao do you really think i could become a politician?

Become ****ing politicians...

If your all so eager to throw muslims out, then use your ****ing brains and think...

If you're being labelled racists that is because what you speak of is racism and dont gimme that bull**** about being blown up, when was a last BNP member of the party blown up, or when were the last group of Skinheads blown up....


I have no problems with muslims, most are genuinely nice people but their religion has a history of violence and there are partd of it that are really unethical which we're starting to see now.

And to get anywhere as a politician you have to stay in the middle. Anyone who is strongly opinionated isnt getting anywhere.

What a pointless ****ing thread...

Seriously, if you dont like what's happening in YOUR country then get the **** up and do something about it, don't sit behind your computer and post this useless trash....

Become ****ing politicians...

If your all so eager to throw muslims out, then use your ****ing brains and think...

If you're being labelled racists that is because what you speak of is racism and dont gimme that bull**** about being blown up, when was a last BNP member of the party blown up, or when were the last group of Skinheads blown up....

Calm down sunshine! Nothing wrong with a bit of internet *****ing. Every protest or uprising or watever was started with people just expressing their opinions.
Its true that if people really feel stronglyabout it they should be writing to their MP's. But i dont think many people feel they will be listened to by a bunch of fat cats who want to say the right thing and not rock the boat.

I think Britain needs to grow some balls, and have open debates with these extremist wankers and broadcast the debates. Just to show how their religous dogma is dangerous and ****ing stupid.

It all boils down to their belief Mohammed heard God and rewrote the bible. What a pile of ****!!
That gives them the right to kill us if we dare draw a cartoon of Mohammed having a wank.

Well, i say ****'em. "peeleft:

the problem now, in my opinion is as a nation we have become scared to say what we think and to actually take the appropriate action. there is a political correctness gone mad

when did we allow people like that hook wearing idiot preach in OUR streets about the evilness of our state and nation, and allow him to reside here for the number of years that he did? why wasn't he and his followers swiftly ****ed off back to afghanistan/pakistan?? too much *****footing around in my opinion.

Calm down sunshine! Nothing wrong with a bit of internet *****ing. Every protest or uprising or watever was started with people just expressing their opinions.
Its true that if people really feel stronglyabout it they should be writing to their MP's. But i dont think many people feel they will be listened to by a bunch of fat cats who want to say the right thing and not rock the boat.

I think Britain needs to grow some balls, and have open debates with these extremist wankers and broadcast the debates. Just to show how their religous dogma is dangerous and ****ing stupid.

It all boils down to their belief Mohammed heard God and rewrote the bible. What a pile of ****!!
That gives them the right to kill us if we dare draw a cartoon of Mohammed having a wank.

Well, i say ****'em. "peeleft:


Pure arrogance.....

Are yeah for your info, no-one rewrote the bible, there is only one Qur'an whereas there are many versions of the bible....

Carry on talking because there's nothing you lot can do, just small talk...:poke:

Well, i say **** you lot..:bounce:

lets be brutally honest.... religion is a complete farce

it was something used back in the day to control people and strike fear into them through the use of a higher power

ALL religious texts and claims are fundamentally flawed, and religion seems to be at the root of most modern day wars and fall outs. its being used by extremists to fuel their own vendettas and agendas

lets be brutally honest.... religion is a complete farce

it was something used back in the day to control people and strike fear into them through the use of a higher power

ALL religious texts and claims are fundamentally flawed, and religion seems to be at the root of most modern day wars and fall outs. its being used by extremists to fuel their own vendettas and agendas

If that's your view, then you've gotta respect that, it's your own view and opinion..

But there are some people who have a strong faith and belief, you cannot try to discriminate them and say what they have been believing in is a FAKE... Just let it be, thats what i say....

If that's your view, then you've gotta respect that, it's your own view and opinion..

But there are some people who have a strong faith and belief, you cannot try to discriminate them and say what they have been believing in is a FAKE... Just let it be, thats what i say....
by no means do i discriminate against anyone who follows religion....

what i wont accept however is individuals pushing their faith onto me... that includes islam, christianity, jehovas witnesses etc etc

explain to me why that geezer with the hook was allowed to preach in BRITISH streets the way he did and encourage terrorism??

surely you cant deny that all religious scripts have massive inaccuracies and contradict themselves constantly....??

Pure arrogance.....

Are yeah for your info, no-one rewrote the bible, there is only one Qur'an whereas there are many versions of the bible....

Carry on talking because there's nothing you lot can do, just small talk...:poke:

Well, i say **** you lot:

lol, what exactly was arrogant about what i said??
And im sure Mohammed didnt just rewrite the bible. No, God told him what to write because the bible had been corrupted over the years.
Yea, thats much more plausible.

Theres nothing u lot can do.... well thank God we have optimists like u contributing such valuable input.

If that's your view, then you've gotta respect that, it's your own view and opinion..

But there are some people who have a strong faith and belief, you cannot try to discriminate them and say what they have been believing in is a FAKE... Just let it be, thats what i say....

Just let it be...

So, wen we have young people being indoctrined into a belief system that justifies killing infidels and suicided bombers planning how to take out as many people as possble as we speak...we should just ...let it be.

We dont have to simply say that peoples faith in God is bull****, but we cant allow kids to be brainwashed into martardom and self sacrifice.
The consequences of some peoples beliefs is dangerous. :wank:

I think all religion is geared to control people rather than enlighten people, if the people who instigate and fuel religious hatred practiced what the preach but they don’t, would Bin Laden strap explosives to himself no he wouldn’t nor would any of his close henchmen, they and people like them are cowards they can’t stand up for what they are supposed to believe in, but they force other people to do it throu duress. It just so happens to be the Muslims turn to kick off.
Britain will never ever be a Muslim state, they might get more representation in parliament in the years to come but it will never be enough, government don’t run the country it’s business that runs the country, and do you think you will ever see a day when Christmas is banned, no because it makes so much money as do all the other so called religious holidays.
Do we want to see a Britain where women can’t work for a living, be seen in public, have access to doctors or education that is what it is like in a Muslim state.

Pure arrogance.....

Are yeah for your info, no-one rewrote the bible, there is only one Qur'an whereas there are many versions of the bible....

Carry on talking because there's nothing you lot can do, just small talk...:poke:

Well, i say **** you lot..:bounce:

Actually you are misinformed, there aren't many versions of the Bible, there is only one. They are different translations of the Bible but the word has never changed. That is one of many fallacies that the Muslim world preaches about Christianity and the Bible. Other's include the misunderstanding of the trinity and not admiting the errors in the Quran and justifying it by saying it was the Bible and Torah that were changed by evil jews...lol.

Islam isn't a religion of peace, it's a religion of submitance, that's what Islam really means. "To submit one's self"

No where in the Bible or Torah will you find a command by God to kill if people don't convert to your beliefs. Yet it's one of the most powerful sura's in the Quran:9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

Basically kill them if they don't convert but if they do then show mercy on them??lol

The Bible cannot be corrupted because the original texts from which the Bible was coppied are still in existence today. So how can you change something when the original exists for refference?

by no means do i discriminate against anyone who follows religion....

what i wont accept however is individuals pushing their faith onto me... that includes islam, christianity, jehovas witnesses etc etc

explain to me why that geezer with the hook was allowed to preach in BRITISH streets the way he did and encourage terrorism??

surely you cant deny that all religious scripts have massive inaccuracies and contradict themselves constantly....??



the guy on the hook deserved what he got.....

He did incite hatred, but you have to remember he does not represent the rest of the muslim world....

lol, what exactly was arrogant about what i said??
And im sure Mohammed didnt just rewrite the bible. No, God told him what to write because the bible had been corrupted over the years.
Yea, thats much more plausible.

Theres nothing u lot can do.... well thank God we have optimists like u contributing such valuable input.

I never said the bible was corrupt...

By saying "There's nothing you lot can do", what i meant was that, no matter what you say unless you go out there and do something putting useless threads wont change anything. I didn't mean you lot as in the British public, i meant it as you lot as in everyone who commented in this thread....




Just let it be...

So, wen we have young people being indoctrined into a belief system that justifies killing infidels and suicided bombers planning how to take out as many people as possble as we speak...we should just ...let it be.

We dont have to simply say that peoples faith in God is bull****, but we cant allow kids to be brainwashed into martardom and self sacrifice.
The consequences of some peoples beliefs is dangerous. :wank:

Ok... but from all muslims in Britain 99.99% are not terrorists and do not want to indoctrinate people.... It's just the radical 0.001%... Say what you like but Islam is a religion of peace..... Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say go and blow up innocent kids and women.... These people do it out there own will and by killing innnocent people they're the radical ones, do not be misled....

Actually you are misinformed, there aren't many versions of the Bible, there is only one. They are different translations of the Bible but the word has never changed. That is one of many fallacies that the Muslim world preaches about Christianity and the Bible. Other's include the misunderstanding of the trinity and not admiting the errors in the Quran and justifying it by saying it was the Bible and Torah that were changed by evil jews...lol.

Islam isn't a religion of peace, it's a religion of submitance, that's what Islam really means. "To submit one's self"

No where in the Bible or Torah will you find a command by God to kill if people don't convert to your beliefs. Yet it's one of the most powerful sura's in the Quran:9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

Basically kill them if they don't convert but if they do then show mercy on them??lol

The Bible cannot be corrupted because the original texts from which the Bible was coppied are still in existence today. So how can you change something when the original exists for refference?


haha... A common mistake there, actually Christians want to confuse people by saying they have different translations and not different versions, just watch this video, everything will be explained....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJTZrPsNGAk


Well, if you had read the full surah, or the surahs before it you would have understood it better...

9:5 is the fifth verse in Surah Tawbah. Incidentally, Surah Tawbah is the only chapter in the Quran which does not begin with the words “In the Name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful.” Every other of the 113 chapters are separated from one another with that phrase; every chapter except Surah Tawbah. Commentators on the Quran take this to mean that Surah Tawbah is not an independent chapter in itself, but is connected to the Surah Al-Anfal which precedes it. Surah Al-Anfal, in turn, is thematically connected to two other Surahs that come before it: Surah Al-Anaam, and Surah Al-Araf.

As we are aware, the “slayer verse” is the fifth verse in the Surah. It bears looking at verses 1 to 5 to see exactly what the circumstances of the verse happen to be:

“A declaration of the dissolution of agreements from God and His messenger to the idolaters with whom you have made [no-war] agreements. Thus, you [O polytheists] may freely traverse in the land for four months, but know that you shall not escape God’s judgment and that God shall surely humble the unbelievers. A proclamation [should be made] to these people from God and His messenger on the day of Hajj-e-Akbar, [declaring] that God and His messenger are no longer under any obligation toward these polytheists. If you repent, [O polytheists,] it shall be better for you but if you turn your backs [paying no heed], then know that you shall not be able to escape God’s judgment. Give these rejecters the glad tidings of a painful punishment, except those polytheists who have not dishonored their treaties with you and have not aided anyone against you. With these, fulfill your treaties till the appointed term. Indeed, God loves the righteous. When the sacred months are over, slay the polytheists wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them.” ( Al-Taubah 9: 1 - 5).


A close look at the above verses shall suffice as evidence to the fact that the directive, “Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them” is given against those polytheists with whom the Muslims, under the leadership of the Prophet (pbuh), had entered into an agreement and who had disregarded this agreement and aided others against the Muslims. Obviously, these qualities cannot be generalized on all the polytheists of the world [today].

We know that 9:5 relates to treaties in the time of the Prophet between the Prophet and the polytheists of Mecca from verse 9:7, which states:

“How can there be any responsibility of these agreements on God and His messenger, except those with whom you made agreements at the Sacred Mosque? Thus, so long as they uphold their part of the treaty, you should uphold yours. Indeed God loves the righteous.” (Al-Taubah 9: 7)

In other words, looking at the circumstances and context of verse 9:5 it becomes very difficult to reach the conclusion that the verse is a timeless directive to all Muslims for all times to kill all polytheists in all places. It seems, from a merely cursory reading of the Quran, that it is a verse telling the Muslims of the time of the Prophet how to engage with those “polytheists” with whom they were having difficulty with certain treaties.

So do not pick a few lines and cry wolf, read the whole thing first....

haha... A common mistake there, actually Christians want to confuse people by saying they have different translations and not different versions, just watch this video, everything will be explained....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJTZrPsNGAk


Well, if you had read the full surah, or the surahs before it you would have understood it better...

9:5 is the fifth verse in Surah Tawbah. Incidentally, Surah Tawbah is the only chapter in the Quran which does not begin with the words “In the Name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful.” Every other of the 113 chapters are separated from one another with that phrase; every chapter except Surah Tawbah. Commentators on the Quran take this to mean that Surah Tawbah is not an independent chapter in itself, but is connected to the Surah Al-Anfal which precedes it. Surah Al-Anfal, in turn, is thematically connected to two other Surahs that come before it: Surah Al-Anaam, and Surah Al-Araf.

As we are aware, the “slayer verse” is the fifth verse in the Surah. It bears looking at verses 1 to 5 to see exactly what the circumstances of the verse happen to be:

“A declaration of the dissolution of agreements from God and His messenger to the idolaters with whom you have made [no-war] agreements. Thus, you [O polytheists] may freely traverse in the land for four months, but know that you shall not escape God’s judgment and that God shall surely humble the unbelievers. A proclamation [should be made] to these people from God and His messenger on the day of Hajj-e-Akbar, [declaring] that God and His messenger are no longer under any obligation toward these polytheists. If you repent, [O polytheists,] it shall be better for you but if you turn your backs [paying no heed], then know that you shall not be able to escape God’s judgment. Give these rejecters the glad tidings of a painful punishment, except those polytheists who have not dishonored their treaties with you and have not aided anyone against you. With these, fulfill your treaties till the appointed term. Indeed, God loves the righteous. When the sacred months are over, slay the polytheists wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them.” ( Al-Taubah 9: 1 - 5).


A close look at the above verses shall suffice as evidence to the fact that the directive, “Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them” is given against those polytheists with whom the Muslims, under the leadership of the Prophet (pbuh), had entered into an agreement and who had disregarded this agreement and aided others against the Muslims. Obviously, these qualities cannot be generalized on all the polytheists of the world [today].

We know that 9:5 relates to treaties in the time of the Prophet between the Prophet and the polytheists of Mecca from verse 9:7, which states:

“How can there be any responsibility of these agreements on God and His messenger, except those with whom you made agreements at the Sacred Mosque? Thus, so long as they uphold their part of the treaty, you should uphold yours. Indeed God loves the righteous.” (Al-Taubah 9: 7)

In other words, looking at the circumstances and context of verse 9:5 it becomes very difficult to reach the conclusion that the verse is a timeless directive to all Muslims for all times to kill all polytheists in all places. It seems, from a merely cursory reading of the Quran, that it is a verse telling the Muslims of the time of the Prophet how to engage with those “polytheists” with whom they were having difficulty with certain treaties.

So do not pick a few lines and cry wolf, read the whole thing first....

Exactly Muslims call Christians polythiest all the time because they do not understand the Trinity. Muslims have been missinformed of what the Trinity is and claim that Christians believe in 3 Gods. Unfortunatly I can't watch the video you posted with sound where I am but I will when I get home.

The Bible hasn't been changed or has different versions, it has different translations. I will say to you once more, how can a book that it's ORIGINAL texts that are still in existance, be changed or corrupted? Don't you think scholars that have studied the text would be outraged or discredit any changes??

Also any claims by Muslims that the Bible has been changed or corrupted is going against what the Quran and Mohammed himself taught:


- Surah 2:87 - And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit,

- Surah 3:48 - And He (Isa/Jesus) will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat (Torah) and the Injeel (Christian Gospel).

- Surah 3:50 - And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat (Torah) and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

- Surah 5:44 - "Surely We revealed the Taurat (Torah/Bible Old Testament) in which was guidance and light", with it the prophets who submitted themselves....

So you see, any talk of the Bible or the Torah as corrupt or changed is going against the teachings of Islam.

It is the Quran that has been changed and I can put that forward for you as well.

Correct me but which wasn't it ****ain that went like a ***** following the US to impose its will on a muslim country Iraq? wasn't it? impose democacy and kill hundreds of thousonds along the way, wasn't it ****ain that split the whole mddle east up and make the mess in the middleast? huh? savage trash.

Exactly Muslims call Christians polythiest all the time because they do not understand the Trinity. Muslims have been missinformed of what the Trinity is and claim that Christians believe in 3 Gods. Unfortunatly I can't watch the video you posted with sound where I am but I will when I get home.

The Bible hasn't been changed or has different versions, it has different translations. I will say to you once more, how can a book that it's ORIGINAL texts that are still in existance, be changed or corrupted? Don't you think scholars that have studied the text would be outraged or discredit any changes??

Also any claims by Muslims that the Bible has been changed or corrupted is going against what the Quran and Mohammed himself taught:


- Surah 2:87 - And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit,

- Surah 3:48 - And He (Isa/Jesus) will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat (Torah) and the Injeel (Christian Gospel).

- Surah 3:50 - And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat (Torah) and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

- Surah 5:44 - "Surely We revealed the Taurat (Torah/Bible Old Testament) in which was guidance and light", with it the prophets who submitted themselves....

So you see, any talk of the Bible or the Torah as corrupt or changed is going against the teachings of Islam.

It is the Quran that has been changed and I can put that forward for you as well.


The reference to polythiesm, was when peopled worshipped idols at the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), i.e, they worshipped more than one idol....

I can also put forward my arguments claiming the bible has many versions, but like i said its better for me and you if you just see that video i posted, otherwise i will have to write it all out, and you may misinterpret me....

The bible has many versions, now many people don't know the difference between a version and a translation....Those quotes do not justify any of your points, because they just simply claim that the bible and Torah was revealed, it does not say anything about old testaments, new testaments, different things taken out, contradictions etc...

The Bible can be changed, things can be taken out of it....

The reference to polythiesm, was when peopled worshipped idols at the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), i.e, they worshipped more than one idol....

I can also put forward my arguments claiming the bible has many versions, but like i said its better for me and you if you just see that video i posted, otherwise i will have to write it all out, and you may misinterpret me....

The bible has many versions, now many people don't know the difference between a version and a translation....Those quotes do not justify any of your points, because they just simply claim that the bible and Torah was revealed, it does not say anything about old testaments, new testaments, different things taken out, contradictions etc...

The Bible can be changed, things can be taken out of it....

The Bible consists of the Old testament (Torah) and the New Testament (injil as it's mentioned in the Quran). So those quotes I gave you are very clear in the approval of Muslims to the authenticity of the Bible. Not until AFTER Judism and Christianity rejected Islam as a sister religion did Mohammed claim that the Torah was corrupted, which I find very convenient.

Verisons and translations are very different things. I will admit that there are many translations of the Bible that differ in the exact words of the scripture but that does not mean it is corrupted or changed.

There are four more "safeguards" for the integrity of the Bible. (1) Jesus Himself read from Isaiah scroll in a Synagogue in Nazareth and declared it as Scripture (inspired from God), Luke 4:16-21; (2) The Dead Sea scrolls, found in 1947, verified the Jewish Torah back to 100 AD to 200 BC, when they were copied. Prior to this discovery, the oldest Torah dated to the 9th century AD. The Dead Sea scroll of Isaiah verified almost exactly the Isaiah scroll copied in the 9th century; (3) Early Church Fathers like Ignatius, Clement of Rome, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Irenaeus, who wrote from between 90-160 AD all cited in their writings Christian Gospel accounts (Guthrie, 1990, page 24); (4) We know that the writings of Moses were preserved as far back as 621 BC. 2 Kings 22 speaks of this at the time of the Israeli King Josiah. Ezra 7:14, Nehemiah 8:1-18, and Jeremiah 36 also speaks of the Jews maintaining Scripture.

Additionally, the New Testament was handed down from apostolic times and its genuineness was guarded by Christian churches, and it was zealously watched by enemies of Christianity. A very wide protest would have resulted from both sides were it tampered with. Likewise, the Septuagint edition of the Old Testament was always in the hands of both Christians and Jews, both rivals in religion. Any attempts to change this by either side would have been vigorously attacked.

I think I should end this discussion because I don't want to offend you but the Quran is the one that's been altered and changed. Christianity and Judism are DIAMETRICALLY opposed to Islam. Islam came 700 years after Christianity and was used by the warrior Mohammed to unite the people's of the Arabian penisula, no more.

The Bible is the Old testament (Torah) and the New Testament (injil as it's mentioned in the Quran)

Verisons and translations are very different things. I will admit that there are many translations of the Bible that differ in the exact words of the scripture but that does not mean it is corrupted or changed.

[I][There are four more "safeguards" for the integrity of the Bible. (1) Jesus Himself read from Isaiah scroll in a Synagogue in Nazareth and declared it as Scripture (inspired from God), Luke 4:16-21; (2) The Dead Sea scrolls, found in 1947, verified the Jewish Torah back to 100 AD to 200 BC, when they were copied. Prior to this discovery, the oldest Torah dated to the 9th century AD. The Dead Sea scroll of Isaiah verified almost exactly the Isaiah scroll copied in the 9th century; (3) Early Church Fathers like Ignatius, Clement of Rome, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Irenaeus, who wrote from between 90-160 AD all cited in their writings Christian Gospel accounts (Guthrie, 1990, page 24); (4) We know that the writings of Moses were preserved as far back as 621 BC. 2 Kings 22 speaks of this at the time of the Israeli King Josiah. Ezra 7:14, Nehemiah 8:1-18, and Jeremiah 36 also speaks of the Jews maintaining Scripture./I]

Additionally, the New Testament was handed down from apostolic times and its genuineness was guarded by Christian churches, and it was zealously watched by enemies of Christianity. A very wide protest would have resulted from both sides were it tampered with. Likewise, the Septuagint edition of the Old Testament was always in the hands of both Christians and Jews, both rivals in religion. Any attempts to change this by either side would have been vigorously attacked.

I think I should end this discussion because I don't want to offend you but the Quran is the one that's been altered and changed. Christianity and Judism are DIAMETRICALLY opposed to Islam. Islam came 700 years after Christianity and was used by the warrior Mohammed to unite the people's of the Arabian penisula.


No, No, don't stop on my account, because I don't want to offend you, i will not stop until i get my full point across, believe me...

There is no evidence that the Qu'ran has been changed there is only one version, but many translations....

You have the Roman Catholic version of the bible, that version has 73 books inside, also the one that the protestant world holds is the King James Version of the bible this version has 66 books.. This is NOT a translation.. Those 7 books were thrown out due to doubtful authority, in other words they were not the words of god...

The most accurate rendering of the bible is the Revised Standard Version (RSV), 32 scholars of highest eminence, backed by 50 corporating denominations said a beautiful thing about King James version, which every Christian takes oath by, said that the King James version had grave defects which were swimming in so serious that it needed to be revised, so it was revised.. They threw out the word "begotten", also the holy trinity, the bedrock of Christianity.. The only place in that bible where it mentioned was in 1st Epistle of John Ch 5 Verse 7,

'For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy ghost: and these three are one'

It is thrown out of the RSV due to fabrication... It is a VERSION....

Then the ascension of Jesus the only places in the gospel where it occurred are:

Mark ch 16 v. 19
Luke ch 24 v. 51

'that he ascended into heaven', they were thrown out by your scholars due to fabrication, that is VERSION...

Its not a translation, things that are not meant to be there were thrown out

This religious debate could go on for many lifetimes, and already has. All claim to be the one that is true and original, and in many cases correct. Religious scripts differ greatly from religion to religion, although a lot of the main ideas are present in all.

The main point of this thread, however, was not to discuss the validity of religion by quoting texts, but simply to point out that Britain is fast becoming an islamic state. This is a fact. Just the other day I was visiting an old friend in a street I lived in no more than 9 years ago. Back then, there was a few black families but only the one asian family, the eldest son of whom was the friend I had chosen to visit. As kids, the fact he was a muslim and I was a christian made little to no difference.

Today, white families are outnumbered in the area 3 to 1 by muslims, and blacks are outnumbered 2 to 1 by muslims. Its not even as if these people have always lived in this country, my friend is treated like **** by them because he was born here and they consider themselves better because they were born in an islamic state. He is treated no better than an animal for the simple fact he was born in a different country to them, but really, from a moral standpoint, its HIS country they are doing this in. He was born here, his parents were born here and their parents before them. Just because somewhere down the line his ancestors moved away from their country to come to britain, people who share the same beliefs, same skin colour, same country of origin and even the same language, treat him as if he is nothing better than the dog **** in the street.

I dont class myself as a member of any religion anymore, but my friend is a strict muslim, through his own choice, his parents always told him he didnt have to do anything he didnt want to, including praying and all the associated religious stuff. There have been british values instilled on him and his family, and with his family I have no problem. They have integrated themselves into our society. He refers to his neighbours as "dirty muslim bastards", and to me that says it all.

This religious debate could go on for many lifetimes, and already has. All claim to be the one that is true and original, and in many cases correct. Religious scripts differ greatly from religion to religion, although a lot of the main ideas are present in all.

The main point of this thread, however, was not to discuss the validity of religion by quoting texts, but simply to point out that Britain is fast becoming an islamic state. This is a fact. Just the other day I was visiting an old friend in a street I lived in no more than 9 years ago. Back then, there was a few black families but only the one asian family, the eldest son of whom was the friend I had chosen to visit. As kids, the fact he was a muslim and I was a christian made little to no difference.

Today, white families are outnumbered in the area 3 to 1 by muslims, and blacks are outnumbered 2 to 1 by muslims. Its not even as if these people have always lived in this country, my friend is treated like **** by them because he was born here and they consider themselves better because they were born in an islamic state. He is treated no better than an animal for the simple fact he was born in a different country to them, but really, from a moral standpoint, its HIS country they are doing this in. He was born here, his parents were born here and their parents before them. Just because somewhere down the line his ancestors moved away from their country to come to britain, people who share the same beliefs, same skin colour, same country of origin and even the same language, treat him as if he is nothing better than the dog **** in the street.

I dont class myself as a member of any religion anymore, but my friend is a strict muslim, through his own choice, his parents always told him he didnt have to do anything he didnt want to, including praying and all the associated religious stuff. There have been british values instilled on him and his family, and with his family I have no problem. They have integrated themselves into our society. He refers to his neighbours as "dirty muslim bastards", and to me that says it all.


Those neighbours cannot be misinterpreted as the face of islam or of the muslims who live in britain today, i live in a mainly asian part of b'ham, but its by one of the most deprived areas in UK, i have even heard rumours that its one of the most deprived areas in europe, we live peacefully with all colours and races, we dont blow up people or preach on the streets...

Dont forget the british white citizens still outnumber muslims by a huge proportion....

what the neighbours are doing is wrong you can't judge anyone, no-one has the right to judge somebody or claim to be superior if that asian family does then i say bollocks to them....

A convo in Uni started a while back about this asian kid attacked doing a paper round by a bunch of white men.... Going up2 him slapping him around taking his phone then breaking it in front of his face, calling him a '**** bastard'..... The kid was around 14 i think, but we didn't come to a conclusion that all white men are racist, 3 of our white mates were also with us and they were appalled.... sitting speechless, We didnt turn to them and tell them to **** off, you're all racist...

Every race, religion, belief, cult or whatever has good and bad people..

I never said the bible was corrupt...

By saying "There's nothing you lot can do", what i meant was that, no matter what you say unless you go out there and do something putting useless threads wont change anything. I didn't mean you lot as in the British public, i meant it as you lot as in everyone who commented in this thread....





Ok... but from all muslims in Britain 99.99% are not terrorists and do not want to indoctrinate people.... It's just the radical 0.001%... Say what you like but Islam is a religion of peace..... Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say go and blow up innocent kids and women.... These people do it out there own will and by killing innnocent people they're the radical ones, do not be misled....

What a pointless ****ing thread...

Seriously, if you dont like what's happening in YOUR country then get the **** up and do something about it, don't sit behind your computer and post this useless trash....
After reading the whole thread again. I actually agree with u.

Personally i dont have a problem with Muslims, and the vast majority are peaceful and cool.

The terrorists are winning by causing the tension and conflict people have talked about in this thread.

Maybe the major issue is the governments over sensitivity to Islam and caving in on certain issues. Plus the problem with immigrants not intergrating into society and it becomes a racial cultural divide.

People do need to be sensitive about peoples faith, but it doesnt deserve special treatment. Our government are *******.

This religious debate could go on for many lifetimes, and already has. All claim to be the one that is true and original, and in many cases correct. Religious scripts differ greatly from religion to religion, although a lot of the main ideas are present in all.

The main point of this thread, however, was not to discuss the validity of religion by quoting texts, but simply to point out that Britain is fast becoming an islamic state. This is a fact. Just the other day I was visiting an old friend in a street I lived in no more than 9 years ago. Back then, there was a few black families but only the one asian family, the eldest son of whom was the friend I had chosen to visit. As kids, the fact he was a muslim and I was a christian made little to no difference.

Today, white families are outnumbered in the area 3 to 1 by muslims, and blacks are outnumbered 2 to 1 by muslims. Its not even as if these people have always lived in this country, my friend is treated like **** by them because he was born here and they consider themselves better because they were born in an islamic state. He is treated no better than an animal for the simple fact he was born in a different country to them, but really, from a moral standpoint, its HIS country they are doing this in. He was born here, his parents were born here and their parents before them. Just because somewhere down the line his ancestors moved away from their country to come to britain, people who share the same beliefs, same skin colour, same country of origin and even the same language, treat him as if he is nothing better than the dog **** in the street.

I dont class myself as a member of any religion anymore, but my friend is a strict muslim, through his own choice, his parents always told him he didnt have to do anything he didnt want to, including praying and all the associated religious stuff. There have been british values instilled on him and his family, and with his family I have no problem. They have integrated themselves into our society. He refers to his neighbours as "dirty muslim bastards", and to me that says it all.

Your absolutely right and that's why I stopped the argument over Christianity over Islam, there's no point in arguing it. I live in the U.S.A and we don't seem to have the same problems that you do in Europe with extremism. The funny thing about the whole situation is, I don't think there is such a thing as an extremist Muslim. That's like saying your a fundamentalist Christian.

The biggest mistake people make when talking about Christianity, Judism or Islam is that the holy books are incredibly hard to understand and you have to have a degree just to read them or interpret them......that's false.

While the Bible has been put in hundreds of different translations and it is full of historical accounts that differ in verbage from author to author, the teachings of Christ, which are the most important thing in the Bible, are very simple and easy to understand and have remained the same.

Same in Islam and Judism, the teachings of Moses and the prophets, as well as the teachings of Mohammed are plain and simple.

Now, if you want to put names with places and dates and times, then yes you need to study and become ordained or a Rabbi or an Imam. In that case the Bible, Torah and Quran are complex books that need to be studied over many years and thus these types of conversations.

Going back to my "extreme Muslim", there's no such thing. Osama Bin Laden isn't an extremist, he's just a good Muslim. The biggest fundamental difference between Judism + Christianity and Islam (other than Jesus being the Messiah) is that Islam is the only religion that preaches non-tolerance. In the Bible many times over God says he has unconditional love for his children, Look through the Quran - there is no attribute of unconditional love accorded Allah to his Muslims--but once. Ironically, in Surah 20:390 Allah does unconditionally say he loves one man - the Hebrew Moses.

Muslims look upon Christians as weak because we preach tolerance, loving thy enemy and "turning the other cheek". I have heard it from the most liberal Muslims I have worked with, I can only imagine what more conseravative Muslims think.

My point is that Islam is a religion that is spreading throught the world and Muslims always claim that it is "BAD" muslims that are "hi-jacking" their religion. In reality, they are just not dedicated Muslims because the whole teaching and conclusion to Islam is an Islamic world taken by force. It is preached many times a day in every country in the world and don't let the "political correct" things you here from Muslim leaders fool you. Behind the closed doors of the Mosque, they aren't preaching the same things.

Quote:Muslims look upon Christians as weak because we preach tolerance, loving thy enemy and "turning the other cheek". I have heard it from the most liberal Muslims I have worked with, I can only imagine what more conseravative Muslims think.

You are extremely stupid, in fact thats a complement, imbecile Christianity has the most violent history of all religions, you think turning cheeks caused all those millions murdered in the name of Christianity in the past?, Christianity is weak because it false, last I checked fool the peaceful US at the command of its master Israel has been threatening Iran almost after the toppling of Saddam, don't mention peace and Christianity in the same sentence.

Isn't most of the country atheists? I'd rather be a muslim than an atheist. So this could be good news.

Isn't most of the country atheists? I'd rather be a muslim than an atheist. So this could be good news.
why would you rather be a muslim than an atheist? are you so weak minded that you will follow any religion as opposed to accepting the facts in front of your face?

Quote:Muslims look upon Christians as weak because we preach tolerance, loving thy enemy and "turning the other cheek". I have heard it from the most liberal Muslims I have worked with, I can only imagine what more conseravative Muslims think.

You are extremely stupid, in fact thats a complement, imbecile Christianity has the most violent history of all religions, you think turning cheeks caused all those millions murdered in the name of Christianity in the past?, Christianity is weak because it false, last I checked fool the peaceful US at the command of its master Israel has been threatening Iran almost after the toppling of Saddam, don't mention peace and Christianity in the same sentence.

Thank you for proving my point...lol. I suppose you want to harm me or kill me now?? Yet Christians are the one's who are violent. Insult all you want, I expect that from you but you didn't read or maybe understand the points I made.

I never once said that HUMANS haven't killed or done terrible things in the name of every religion. My point was that it is only Islam that actually teaches it in it's doctrines. Every Christian that fought in the Crusades did it against the teachings of Christ. The Roman Catholic Church is one of the most violent and corrupt organizations ever, but that is man's missinterpretation if the scripture.

Whereas Christians do bad things because they fall away fromt he scripture, Muslims are only carrying out what the Quran has dictated and commanded.

Interesting views.
I always thought that if Christians truly believed in hell they should all take to the streets and spread the word of God as urgently as possible.

I cant be bothered studying the Quran and Bible to try and figure out peoples beliefs. Their faith isnt concerned with reason and rational.

The religious texts remain unchanged, yet the violence associated with them has risen and fallen during different ages, and this would suggest there is more to it than just peoples faiths.

When those cartoons were published and Muslims protested to the streets calling for the deaths of the newspaper editors, the government should have clearly stated that this is the west and we believe in freedom of speech. They caved in and allowed the protests to escalate resulting in peoples deaths. If bad behaviour is not dealt with properly u reinforce it, and the problem gets bigger.

Immargrants should be adapting their culture so that it fits in with ours, not the other way around!

There is no evidence that the Qu'ran has been changed there is only one version, but many translations....


** Study up time for you dear chap.

First off, the Quran was compiled AFTER the death of Muhammad by rounding up many disparate sources on wood, stone, partchment, and taking oral testimony from different locales. After compilation, composition, and initial publication, Qurans were altered by various Imams which corrupted the so called "original." These differing, corrupted versions of the Quran were supposed to be rounded up and burned, but seeing as how the Quran was spread over half the known world by then, it's doubtful these other versions were completely confiscated.

-------To wit: During the time of Uthman, by which time Islam had spread far and wide, differences in reading the Quran in different dialiects of Arabic language became obvious. A group of companions, headed by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, who was then stationed in Iraq, came to Uthman and urged him to "save the Muslim ummah before they differ about the Quran". Uthman obtained the manuscript of the Quran from Hafsah and again summoned the leading authority, Zayd ibn Thabit, and some other companions to make copies of it[citation needed]. Zayd was put in charge of the task [1]. The style of Arabic dialect used was that of the Quraish tribe. Hence this style was emphasized over all others.

Zayd and other Companions copied many copies. One of these was sent to every Muslim province with the order that all other Quranic materials, whether fragmentary or complete copies, be burnt. When standard copies were made and were widely available to the Muslim community everywhere then all other material was burnt voluntarily by Muslim community themselves. This was important in order to eliminate variations or differences in the dialect from the standard text of the Quran. The Caliph Uthman kept a copy for himself and returned the original manuscript to Hafsah."--------

In short, from 632, after Muhammad, until 650, many different versions of the Quran or Quranic text existed. Since scholarship in the middle east is tightly restricted, even fatal, doubtless there is much more that could be learned, perhaps even finding hidden copies of "corrupted Qurans." I doubt something like that could ever occur until the Islamic reformation is complete which may take another hundred years or more of civil war and millions of deaths.

Cheerio for now........

The religious texts remain unchanged, yet the violence associated with them has risen and fallen during different ages, and this would suggest there is more to it than just peoples faiths.
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** If you get the wrong people gathered around eating popsicles, could be a brawl breaks out and someone stabbed to death with a popsicle stick.

Sounds like you could use an anthropology course, not religious lessons. Roots of violence predate religious texts by tens and hundreds of thousands of years. Usually territorial/tribal if you combine studies with biology, ect and believe in evolution.

Adolph Hitler brilliantly used politics, religion, and science to brand his evil stamp on the world. I could go on, but hopefully you're a fast enough learner so we don't have to always recount history to understand it.

Thank you for proving my point...lol. I suppose you want to harm me or kill me now?? Yet Christians are the one's who are violent. Insult all you want, I expect that from you but you didn't read or maybe understand the points I made.

I never once said that HUMANS haven't killed or done terrible things in the name of every religion. My point was that it is only Islam that actually teaches it in it's doctrines. Every Christian that fought in the Crusades did it against the teachings of Christ. The Roman Catholic Church is one of the most violent and corrupt organizations ever, but that is man's missinterpretation if the scripture.

Whereas Christians do bad things because they fall away fromt he scripture, Muslims are only carrying out what the Quran has dictated and commanded.


Why would I want to kill you? you're trash and will rot in hell for believing a man is god, and thats none of my business, but to say your religion is peaceful is simply a joke, the US has massacred more people in its short history than muslims have in 1400 years, there are many verses in the bible that justify these terror against the gentile, so spare the bullcrap about turning cheek. Last I looked its christian nations attacking countries that have been under 15 years sanctions, oo very mighty, lay off cnn and fox and see the reality you deluded crack head.

** Study up time for you dear chap.

First off, the Quran was compiled AFTER the death of Muhammad by rounding up many disparate sources on wood, stone, partchment, and taking oral testimony from different locales. After compilation, composition, and initial publication, Qurans were altered by various Imams which corrupted the so called "original." These differing, corrupted versions of the Quran were supposed to be rounded up and burned, but seeing as how the Quran was spread over half the known world by then, it's doubtful these other versions were completely confiscated.

-------To wit: During the time of Uthman, by which time Islam had spread far and wide, differences in reading the Quran in different dialiects of Arabic language became obvious. A group of companions, headed by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, who was then stationed in Iraq, came to Uthman and urged him to "save the Muslim ummah before they differ about the Quran". Uthman obtained the manuscript of the Quran from Hafsah and again summoned the leading authority, Zayd ibn Thabit, and some other companions to make copies of it[citation needed]. Zayd was put in charge of the task [1]. The style of Arabic dialect used was that of the Quraish tribe. Hence this style was emphasized over all others.

Zayd and other Companions copied many copies. One of these was sent to every Muslim province with the order that all other Quranic materials, whether fragmentary or complete copies, be burnt. When standard copies were made and were widely available to the Muslim community everywhere then all other material was burnt voluntarily by Muslim community themselves. This was important in order to eliminate variations or differences in the dialect from the standard text of the Quran. The Caliph Uthman kept a copy for himself and returned the original manuscript to Hafsah."--------

In short, from 632, after Muhammad, until 650, many different versions of the Quran or Quranic text existed. Since scholarship in the middle east is tightly restricted, even fatal, doubtless there is much more that could be learned, perhaps even finding hidden copies of "corrupted Qurans." I doubt something like that could ever occur until the Islamic reformation is complete which may take another hundred years or more of civil war and millions of deaths.

Cheerio for now........



that means nothing to me...."peeleft:

You type all that and im just meant to believe it...hahahaha

you wasted your time....

cheerio:wave:

you wasted your time....


** Could be I wasted my time learning something.

More likely you've wasted your life and know nothing.

I prefer my choice.

** Could be I wasted my time learning something.

More likely you've wasted your life and know nothing.

I prefer my choice.



Or it could be that your chatting ****, and i actually dont have time to research up on your silly assumptions, because i have better things to do....

Why would I want to kill you? you're trash and will rot in hell for believing a man is god, and thats none of my business, but to say your religion is peaceful is simply a joke, the US has massacred more people in its short history than muslims have in 1400 years, there are many verses in the bible that justify these terror against the gentile, so spare the bullcrap about turning cheek. Last I looked its christian nations attacking countries that have been under 15 years sanctions, oo very mighty, lay off cnn and fox and see the reality you deluded crack head.

Or it could be that your chatting ****, and i actually dont have time to research up on your silly assumptions, because i have better things to do....

I really can't think of any better way our points were proven. One insults and shows his true nature and the other just denies the whole thing and dismises anything people say. That's why in the history of Islam, no Imam or scholar of the Islamic faith has ever accepted a serious theological debate with any Christian or Jew about their religion.......it would be fatal for Islam to do so and I understand that.

I really can't think of any better way our points were proven. One insults and shows his true nature and the other just denies the whole thing and dismises anything people say. That's why in the history of Islam, no Imam or scholar of the Islamic faith has ever accepted a serious theological debate with any Christian or Jew about their religion.......it would be fatal for Islam to do so and I understand that.



hahahahaha...:haha:

oh dear oh dear....:nono:

Ever heard of the Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, go and research him up and look at his videos on youtube...

Not only does he challenge other scholars but dismisses them with EASE.....

Some Christian scholar challenges him, he lets that scholar choose the topic then wins the debate easily.....

Leaving them speechless.....

I'm not denying anything but when some next man gives his interpretation of what happened and expects me to believe it, do you just expect me to believe it, that is his version, i know what the truth it and its not what his saying. I am compatible enough to come to a conclusion by myself and believe what i want.....

:wave:

Next!!!!

yawn.............

hahahahaha...:haha:

oh dear oh dear....:nono:

Ever heard of the Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, go and research him up and look at his videos on youtube...

Not only does he challenge other scholars but dismisses them with EASE.....

Some Christian scholar challenges him, he lets that scholar choose the topic then wins the debate easily.....

Leaving them speechless.....

I'm not denying anything but when some next man gives his interpretation of what happened and expects me to believe it, do you just expect me to believe it, that is his version, i know what the truth it and its not what his saying. I am compatible enough to come to a conclusion by myself and believe what i want.....

:wave:

Next!!!!

Those were the exact debates I was talking about and they were with stipulations. If you read my post, I said SERIOUS debates. Many Islamic scholars have been challlenged and in the same manner you just denied someone's point of view, they have as well.

Bottom line is, if you deny the authenticity of Christianity and Judism, you go against the teaching in the Quran. So it poses quite a predicament for you doesn't it?

I'm done...WAAYYYY to serious of a topic I should have never responded, I got the typical answer's I always get in this discussion.

Peace...........out

Those were the exact debates I was talking about and they were with stipulations. If you read my post, I said SERIOUS debates. Many Islamic scholars have been challlenged and in the same manner you just denied someone's point of view, they have as well.

Bottom line is, if you deny the authenticity of Christianity and Judism, you go against the teaching in the Quran. So it poses quite a predicament for you doesn't it?

I'm done...WAAYYYY to serious of a topic I should have never responded, I got the typical answer's I always get in this discussion.

Peace...........out


Nah, you know what boss.. I've always respected other's religions and opinions...

If that's you point of view then that's point of view, i cant change it or influence it...

But what i don't like is people coming and trying to educate me, that's not me been ignorant it's the truth, i will follow my path you all follow your path don't tell me what's right or wrong, i know what's right or wrong... If you don't like it well, Tough...

My responses have never been harsh against other peoples religions but there's some things just best left alone....

If all of you can provide me proof of what you all claim then i am willing to read it, but don't just write something without evidence...

I can do the same thing if i wanted, just make any bollocks up without evidence or links and post it here.....

:dance:

why would you rather be a muslim than an atheist? are you so weak minded that you will follow any religion as opposed to accepting the facts in front of your face?

And the facts are?

Atheists are weakerminded.

Ever heard of the Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, go and research him up and look at his videos on youtube...

Not only does he challenge other scholars but dismisses them with EASE.....

Some Christian scholar challenges him, he lets that scholar choose the topic then wins the debate easily.....

Leaving them speechless.....

Next!!!!
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** Easy to rattle empty noggins in the Western world. An empty garbage can always rattles loudest.

Where your religion comes from, any debate, any challenge of Islamic law means chopped tongues and lopped heads, "leaving them speechless." Just possessing non Islamic religious document is a death sentence. Your people come to the west because they are tired of medieval ways of life and want opportunity, all while the middle east has steadily purged Jews, Christians, minority Muslim sects, and pre Jewish religions until they hardly exist any more in these countries. Lebanon and Iran and Israel are the only countries they have anything but a trace presence anymore.

Face it, if you were a boxer, the best you've got is Naseem Hamed, a talented little fellow with no heart for combat against the best it turns out and you can't even fill out his pants as well as he has.

I learned much about the Islamic religion a few years back from dedicated, honorable Muslims. We had a few like you on the message boards, and we all understood what rock they crawled out of.

Keep on keeping on drinking the koolaide. Those that have never had an original thought in their lives need the refreshment.

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** Easy to rattle empty noggins in the Western world. An empty garbage can always rattles loudest.

Where your religion comes from, any debate, any challenge of Islamic law means chopped tongues and lopped heads, "leaving them speechless." Just possessing non Islamic religious document is a death sentence. Your people come to the west because they are tired of medieval ways of life and want opportunity, all while the middle east has steadily purged Jews, Christians, minority Muslim sects, and pre Jewish religions until they hardly exist any more in these countries. Lebanon and Iran and Israel are the only countries they have anything but a trace presence anymore.

Face it, if you were a boxer, the best you've got is Naseem Hamed, a talented little fellow with no heart for combat against the best it turns out and you can't even fill out his pants as well as he has.

I learned much about the Islamic religion a few years back from dedicated, honorable Muslims. We had a few like you on the message boards, and we all understood what rock they crawled out of.

Keep on keeping on drinking the koolaide. Those that have never had an original thought in their lives need the refreshment.


:lame:

It's all about Muhammad Ali...... :banana:

Seriously, what are you on about....

You have some serious issues, i suggest you go and speak to someone who gives a ****, you've been babbling on for quite a while now... No1 cares what you think, i'm bored out my arse....

Your responses are filled with nothing but lectures on useless things....

No1 knows what your trying to get at our what point your trying to get across, stop whining like a baby, Islam this, Islam that..


:wave:

This is the most ridicilous thread ever. These is no Islamification of the UK. The comments that sparked this entire debate, those of the AoC, were:

Firstly, not made by a Muslim, but by a Xtian clergyman.

Secondly, they asked only to consider that Muslims be allowed Islamic rulings on civil matters if both parties agreed. This is exactly what Jews enjoy with Beth Din courts in the UK, so why would someone discriminate against one minority?

Thirdly, the comments here show the level of ignorance. How many of you know anything about Islam beyond what you see in the press, in the paper?

You should do your own research.

And 1496 you're position is untenable. The Islamic ruling on Xtianity and Judasim is that they represented in there original form a revelation, but both that suffered from manipulation and misinterpretation by men over the years. This is a process called Tarhir (sp?).

Origianl Judaism preached the oneness of God (still does) and a linear inheritor of the one eternal message. The Jews lost there way and thus God sent his message again with Jesus.

Christ preached the oneness of God, but his message was ruined by the council of Synod which in 309Ad (?), chose what would go into the faith and what would not. Consider how the Xtian message of trinity in out of sync with every other prophetic message, and thus clearly the product of corruption in the scripture.

Islam is a return to the original prophetic message, that is the one from Adam to now. We accept that in the original forms the other Abrahamic faiths correlated with Islam, they were true at inception, but those that take the names of these faiths today, they follow corrupted man-changed ideologies no longer in-line with the original preachings.

Islam is a return to the original prophetic message, that is the one from Adam to now.

** I thought Joseph Smith took care of all that.

Or was it David Koresh? I know Charley Manson thinks he's the one, but he's just pants.

Of course the Raelians have taken the prophet to a whole 'nother world.:angel:

**** ALLAH

AND **** FASMAN:banana:

**** ALLAH

AND **** FASMAN:banana:


:lame:

CHUMP....... GET A LIFE!!!!!

:wave:

This is the most ridicilous thread ever. These is no Islamification of the UK. The comments that sparked this entire debate, those of the AoC, were:

Firstly, not made by a Muslim, but by a Xtian clergyman.

Secondly, they asked only to consider that Muslims be allowed Islamic rulings on civil matters if both parties agreed. This is exactly what Jews enjoy with Beth Din courts in the UK, so why would someone discriminate against one minority?

Thirdly, the comments here show the level of ignorance. How many of you know anything about Islam beyond what you see in the press, in the paper?

You should do your own research.

And 1496 you're position is untenable. The Islamic ruling on Xtianity and Judasim is that they represented in there original form a revelation, but both that suffered from manipulation and misinterpretation by men over the years. This is a process called Tarhir (sp?).

Origianl Judaism preached the oneness of God (still does) and a linear inheritor of the one eternal message. The Jews lost there way and thus God sent his message again with Jesus.

Christ preached the oneness of God, but his message was ruined by the council of Synod which in 309Ad (?), chose what would go into the faith and what would not. Consider how the Xtian message of trinity in out of sync with every other prophetic message, and thus clearly the product of corruption in the scripture.

Islam is a return to the original prophetic message, that is the one from Adam to now. We accept that in the original forms the other Abrahamic faiths correlated with Islam, they were true at inception, but those that take the names of these faiths today, they follow corrupted man-changed ideologies no longer in-line with the original preachings.

We have covered that and I guess you didn't even bother reading my response...........

Nah, you know what boss.. I've always respected other's religions and opinions...

If that's you point of view then that's point of view, i cant change it or influence it...

But what i don't like is people coming and trying to educate me, that's not me been ignorant it's the truth, i will follow my path you all follow your path don't tell me what's right or wrong, i know what's right or wrong... If you don't like it well, Tough...

My responses have never been harsh against other peoples religions but there's some things just best left alone....

If all of you can provide me proof of what you all claim then i am willing to read it, but don't just write something without evidence...

I can do the same thing if i wanted, just make any bollocks up without evidence or links and post it here.....

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But you don't respect other's beliefs or religion's. You were the one that came on here and said the Bible was changed and corrupted. When you were challenged on that you got mad and one of your buddies proved my point and started insulting and making my point.

It's ok man, I should have never got into this discussion. I will drop it and you can answer anything you want. let's get back to boxing can we......?

But you don't respect other's beliefs or religion's. You were the one that came on here and said the Bible was changed and corrupted. When you were challenged on that you got mad and one of your buddies proved my point and started insulting and making my point.

It's ok man, I should have never got into this discussion. I will drop it and you can answer anything you want. let's get back to boxing can we......?


Boss, you and a few others came on here claiming that the Qu'ran and Islam was fabricated, my original discussion had nothing to do with that...

By the way the other guy who came on here, i don't even know who he is, why did you even presume he was my friend just because he challenged your views....

seriously, im getting bored too...:werd:

if people wanna say something then let them say it, its upto them... But once they say my name or get me personally involved then i will answer....

I say let's get back to boxing and all that, i've had enough for a while.....

I say let's get back to boxing and all that, i've had enough for a while.....

** I say what you and your little non-buddy know about boxing wouldn't fill half a sura.

That's clear to anyone who reviews both of your most recent posts which have almost zer0 to with boxing.

The thread, to be fair, was a negative one about the Islamification of Britain. Westerners in general are very concerned about the motives of Euro Muslim immigrants and those immigrants feel left out and discriminated against. The issues are ongoing and constantly being developed. The thread could have been more diplomatic and broader in it's approach.

The thread moved to the history of and veracity of each religion and religion in general. I suggest you find a more capable surragote to represent your position rather than do any more damage to your cause.

Stay out of the ring also as that ain't your style. Mainly you really need to study up as you're on the wrong forum with the wrong topic with your current skill set.

** I say what you and your little non-buddy know about boxing wouldn't fill half a sura.

That's clear to anyone who reviews both of your most recent posts which have almost zer0 to with boxing.

The thread, to be fair, was a negative one about the Islamification of Britain. Westerners in general are very concerned about the motives of Euro Muslim immigrants and those immigrants feel left out and discriminated against. The issues are ongoing and constantly being developed. The thread could have been more diplomatic and broader in it's approach.

The thread moved to the history of and veracity of each religion and religion in general. I suggest you find a more capable surragote to represent your position rather than do any more damage to your cause.

Stay out of the ring also as that ain't your style. Mainly you really need to study up as you're on the wrong forum with the wrong topic with your current skill set.


To be fair i know quite a lot about boxing, and have been doing boxing and MMA (vale-Tudo to be precise) for many years.... I just choose not to get involved with the topics because i prefer the Limey lounge and Hip-Hop Forum....:dance:

I only got involved with this because some people just got too carried away and a discussion turned into a racist type rant....:nonono:

I'll always be involved with subjects and topics that i think are total bollocks and are turning slightly racist.....

Criticism i can take, racism i cannot....:wave:

Some of the racism in this thread is very worrying indeed.