Regarding our National team and the constant so-called failures I don't think it matters who would be manager we will never win a major tournament until things change. First off we have some great players who would get into any club side in the world and most have achieved success either in the premier league or in european competition. So why can't we replicate this in the national side.

I think there are quite a few things wrong and none of them have to do with who is managing. There have been some great points made recently especially in MickeyB's thread regarding home grown players and some of these points translate into why we fail at national level, particulary our technical ability and composure on the ball. But I don't think it just ends there. First off I'm gonna start with the old chestnut that we play too many games and I believe it is a factor. Take the top4 where the majority of our national side come from. Apart from 38 games in the premiership these 4 teams dominate the domestic cups and invariably get into the last 4 then add to that the champions league group stages which they nearly always get through these players are playing 60 games a season and that's without internationals. Now I know there are plenty of foreign players playing and the same applies to them so why doesn't it affect them come world cup time.
I think they look after themselves better than the english players do. Clubs can introduce diets but do they follow them when away from their clubs, I don't think they do as much as the foreign players do. Also we all know about the drinking culture in this country and that doesn't help either.

But I think it goes further than this and one of the biggest problems which I can't see changing is the fact that these players don't spend enough time togeather on the training field and on the field of play. If England wants success at a national level then the FA need to act, whether they can force the recommendations I would like to see is another matter, but I think if England have an important game coming up then our players should be released from their respective clubs a month before hand so they can train togeather and have plenty of time to understand how they all play to their best and work on tactics and become a real team that know each other inside out. This is highly unlikely to happen though because of the amount of money in the premiership and football at the moment and the Chelsea's and Man Utd's etc are hardly going to want to co-operate and risk not winning the league or the european cup.

Look at Greece the reigning European Champions not many would have picked them for champions but I actually had them as my dark horses and after 3 games then predicted they will win it because while they never had the greatest of individual players they all worked hard for each other and played as a team and not individuals, they had a game plan and stuck to it and were deserving winners. They also spent a hell of a lot of time togeather both on and off the pitch and this showed in the way that they played.

So I think whoever is manager is fighting a losing battle and will be criticized and blamed for our failures. Players attitudes need to change and this can be done, and also a change in the european format of cups such as champions league and uefa etc, this hasn't helped either, but it's a case of more games more money and that's what talks so that's not gonna change either. But as I've just said togeatherness is so important not just on a personal level like we've heard many times before 'Oh the dressing room is one of the best I've been in we are like a family', having a laugh and a joke doesn't count for **** on the field. We need togeatherness on the field and an understanding and until changes are made and they can spend the necessary preperation time togeather and forge a real team then I think we are destined for more failures.

Oh! one more thing why don't the players stop wearing these stupid ****ing boots and breaking their metartarsels. How many bloody times has it happened and more than once to more than one player. Wise up lads them studs just ain't doing you any good.

Sorry chaps for the rant and I don't know if any of you will agree or just call me a stupid old fool but it's my opinion and I needed to vent it.

Regarding our National team and the constant so-called failures I don't think it matters who would be manager we will never win a major tournament until things change. First off we have some great players who would get into any club side in the world and most have achieved success either in the premier league or in european competition. So why can't we replicate this in the national side.

I think there are quite a few things wrong and none of them have to do with who is managing. There have been some great points made recently especially in MickeyB's thread regarding home grown players and some of these points translate into why we fail at national level, particulary our technical ability and composure on the ball. But I don't think it just ends there. First off I'm gonna start with the old chestnut that we play too many games and I believe it is a factor. Take the top4 where the majority of our national side come from. Apart from 38 games in the premiership these 4 teams dominate the domestic cups and invariably get into the last 4 then add to that the champions league group stages which they nearly always get through these players are playing 60 games a season and that's without internationals. Now I know there are plenty of foreign players playing and the same applies to them so why doesn't it affect them come world cup time.
I think they look after themselves better than the english players do. Clubs can introduce diets but do they follow them when away from their clubs, I don't think they do as much as the foreign players do. Also we all know about the drinking culture in this country and that doesn't help either.

But I think it goes further than this and one of the biggest problems which I can't see changing is the fact that these players don't spend enough time togeather on the training field and on the field of play. If England wants success at a national level then the FA need to act, whether they can force the recommendations I would like to see is another matter, but I think if England have an important game coming up then our players should be released from their respective clubs a month before hand so they can train togeather and have plenty of time to understand how they all play to their best and work on tactics and become a real team that know each other inside out. This is highly unlikely to happen though because of the amount of money in the premiership and football at the moment and the Chelsea's and Man Utd's etc are hardly going to want to co-operate and risk not winning the league or the european cup.

Look at Greece the reigning European Champions not many would have picked them for champions but I actually had them as my dark horses and after 3 games then predicted they will win it because while they never had the greatest of individual players they all worked hard for each other and played as a team and not individuals, they had a game plan and stuck to it and were deserving winners. They also spent a hell of a lot of time togeather both on and off the pitch and this showed in the way that they played.

So I think whoever is manager is fighting a losing battle and will be criticized and blamed for our failures. Players attitudes need to change and this can be done, and also a change in the european format of cups such as champions league and uefa etc, this hasn't helped either, but it's a case of more games more money and that's what talks so that's not gonna change either. But as I've just said togeatherness is so important not just on a personal level like we've heard many times before 'Oh the dressing room is one of the best I've been in we are like a family', having a laugh and a joke doesn't count for **** on the field. We need togeatherness on the field and an understanding and until changes are made and they can spend the necessary preperation time togeather and forge a real team then I think we are destined for more failures.

Oh! one more thing why don't the players stop wearing these stupid ****ing boots and breaking their metartarsels. How many bloody times has it happened and more than once to more than one player. Wise up lads them studs just ain't doing you any good.

Sorry chaps for the rant and I don't know if any of you will agree or just call me a stupid old fool but it's my opinion and I needed to vent it.

realistically the manager should 'nt make that much difference i mean France got to the final of the wrold cup and had that clown Domenech in charge but id say that was in spite of him not because of him ,but they are multitalented players Englsih players are'nt

a good manager is needed to manage England because most of the player's are 1 dimmensional & they can only really play 1 system 4-4-2 and in thier own positions they are not interchangable most of them cannot keep the ball either ,so if your a coach u need to comabt these flaws that they have , its obvious if u play to these players strength u can make them a good side im not saying successfull

but the Tehcnique has to be lookeed at youth level etc coachnig & what not i agree 100%

Steve McClaren was ****, he put Scott Carson in goal and left out Andy Cole in the Croatia game, he did loads more mistakes in that game too. THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME AND HE ****S WITH THE SQUAD! :mad:


Why the hell did an assistant manager get the job anyway?

IMO England's failure boils down to lack of Technique ,they have all the other ingredients except for Tehcnique ,Technique is'nt everyhting there is a lot more to Football than just Tehcnique, however it is something that our players lack in abundance ,if Football were just about Tehcnique then technically superior side's like Paraguay ,Uraguay,etc would beat England but fact is their is more to football than just technique that is why England qualify for most Tournaments & why we have 3 quarter final places in the last 3 Tournametns & why superior technical sides have gone out much ealier or have nt even qualified for the competition ,but Tehcnique is an ingredient that is stopping England form Advancing further in competitions

England players are good but 1 dimmensional u have to play to their strength's & that is why England dont function well as a team ,the reason they are 1 dimmensional is because they lack technical ability

IMO England's failure boils down to lack of Technique ,they have all the other ingredients except for Tehcnique ,Technique is'nt everyhting there is a lot more to Football than just Tehcnique, however it is something that our players lack in abundance ,if Football were just about Tehcnique then technically superior side's like Paraguay ,Uraguay,etc would beat England but fact is their is more to football than just technique that is why England qualify for most Tournaments & why we have 3 quarter final places in the last 3 Tournametns & why superior technical sides have gone out much ealier or have nt even qualified for the competition ,but Tehcnique is an ingredient that is stopping England form Advancing further in competitions

England players are good but 1 dimmensional u have to play to their strength's & that is why England dont function well as a team ,the reason they are 1 dimmensional is because they lack technical ability

Agree with you but don't you also think that they don't have enough time togeather on and off the field. If players were released then this would also benefit the national side a lot. Like you said we've reached q-finals and even s-finals before and a bit more technique would go a long way but so would time on the training field and on the pitch.

Agree with you but don't you also think that they don't have enough time togeather on and off the field. If players were released then this would also benefit the national side a lot. Like you said we've reached q-finals and even s-finals before and a bit more technique would go a long way but so would time on the training field and on the pitch.


Im an advoacte of anything will develop our players technique , i was thinking could u imagine telling Lampard & Gerrard they are being sent to work with a coach was gonna try & improve thier touch & technique lmao they would probably quit international football ,Egotistical bastards lol

Im an advoacte of anything will develop our players technique , i was thinking could u imagine telling Lampard & Gerrard they are being sent to work with a coach was gonna try & improve thier touch & technique lmao they would probably quit international football ,Egotistical bastards lol

Indeed you are right they are so egotistical and play for themselves half the time. That's my point they need to become a TEAM and play as a team and not a team of individuals.

Indeed you are right they are so egotistical and play for themselves half the time. That's my point they need to become a TEAM and play as a team and not a team of individuals.

for me England only have a handfull of technically good players & one of them is retired

Scholes ,Beckham ,Rooney ,Joe Cole, Bentley ,Walcott ,Mark Noble ,Huddlestone

Im finding it very difficult to remember any others

You guys got an identity crisis.

You guys take pride in the fact that your players are 'tough'.

LOL. DOUBLE LOL. TRIPLE LOL.

What good is supposed 'toughness' When a guy can dipsee doodle and nutmeg you at the blink of an eye.

And I'm not tryign to say you guys are mugs out their. You clearly arent. You have lots of very good players. But at the elite level, you guys are mugs compared to the greats.

Other than Gerrard Cole and Ferdinand, you guys have alot of ability but no real talent or skill. Ya dig???