This is a lot harder then you might think......but i would like to see everyones list of greatest rappers in order (if you can) just to get a taste of what flavours people are bringin' to this board.

Heres mine after hours of careful consideration. (i guarantee you this will be different next week)


1. Rakim (Eric B. & Rakim/Solo)
2. Kool G Rap
3. Big L
4. GZA (Wu Tang)
5. MC Ren (Solo/NWA)
6. Inspectah Deck (Wu Tang/Solo)
7. Nas
8. Pharoahe Monche (Solo/Organized Konfusion)
9. Big Daddy Kane
10. Grand Puba (Solo/ Brand Nubian)
11. Guru (GangStarr)
12. KRS-One (BDP/Solo)
13. Big Pun
14. CL Smooth
15. Notorious BIG
16. Slick Rick
17. Masta Ace
18. Ghostface (Solo/Wu Tang)
19. Prodigy (Mobb Deep)
20. Ice Cube (Solo/NWA)



The ones that nearly made it:

Cannibus, Sadat X, Raekwon, Treach (Naughty by Nature), Kurupt, Ras Kass, Marc 7even (J5), AZ, Black Thought (Roots), MC Lyte, Mos + Talib, 2pac

daaaamn playa;

2pac, kurupt and eminem not in your top 20...

and biggie at number 15....

I'll list my 20 off my head, hoping I can amend later if I make any ridiculous omissions

2Pac
Notorious BIG
Jay-Z
Nas
Eminem
Chuck D
Ice Cube
Big Boi
Guru
LL Cool J
Big Pun
Redman
Scarface
Ludacris
Treach
Slick Rick
Erick Sermon
Q Tip
Rakim
Snoop

daaaamn playa;

2pac, kurupt and eminem not in your top 20...

and biggie at number 15....


Its not easy man....like i said, ask me next week and the list will probably be different.

Kurupt would have been on there, but Ice Cube grabbed my 20th place. Better lyricist, more consistent and his old skool aggresive flow takes some to beat him. (well 19 other rappers from what my list tells me)

This is a 'favourite' list....not 'Greatest rappers' list. Tupac and Eminem would no doubt be on anyones list of greats......but not favourites of mine.

I'll list my 20 off my head, hoping I can amend later if I make any ridiculous omissions

2Pac
Notorious BIG
Jay-Z
Nas
Eminem
Chuck D
Ice Cube
Big Boi
Guru
LL Cool J
Big Pun
Redman
Scarface
Ludacris
Treach
Slick Rick
Erick Sermon
Q Tip
Rakim
Snoop


Nice list....i like the fact you rate Big Boi better then Andre (thought i was the only one)....plus i totally forgot about Q-Tip....then theres Krayzie Bone....

This is a lot harder then you might think......but i would like to see everyones list of greatest rappers in order (if you can) just to get a taste of what flavours people are bringin' to this board.

Heres mine after hours of careful consideration. (i guarantee you this will be different next week)


1. Rakim (Eric B. & Rakim/Solo)
2. Kool G Rap
3. Big L
4. GZA (Wu Tang)
5. MC Ren (Solo/NWA)
6. Inspectah Deck (Wu Tang/Solo)
7. Nas
8. Pharoahe Monche (Solo/Organized Konfusion)
9. Big Daddy Kane
10. Grand Puba (Solo/ Brand Nubian)
11. Guru (GangStarr)
12. KRS-One (BDP/Solo)
13. Big Pun
14. CL Smooth
15. Notorious BIG
16. Slick Rick
17. Masta Ace
18. Ghostface (Solo/Wu Tang)
19. Prodigy (Mobb Deep)
20. Ice Cube (Solo/NWA)



The ones that nearly made it:

Cannibus, Sadat X, Raekwon, Treach (Naughty by Nature), Kurupt, Ras Kass, Marc 7even (J5), AZ, Black Thought (Roots), MC Lyte, Mos + Talib, 2pac


1. 2pac
2. Biggie
3. Nas
4. Jay Z
5. Lupe Fiasco < Based on current tracks & potential
6. Big L
7. Tech N9ne
8. Eminem
9. Common
10. Pharoahe Monch
11. Rakim
12. Ludacris
13. Redman
14. Talib Kweli
15. Snoop
16. Busta Rhymes
17. Big Pun
18. KRS-One
19. Method Man
20. Krayzie Bone

This will change virtually everyweek!

daaaamn playa;

2pac, kurupt and eminem not in your top 20...

and biggie at number 15....

Three Wu-tang members in there?? WTF. ...and none of them Method Man.

Why not just put Cappadonna at #1?

Three Wu-tang members in there?? WTF. ...and none of them Method Man.

Why not just put Cappadonna at #1?

Lol....like i said, ask me next week and he'll probably be there...as for Cappadonna.....is it me or is he getting better? Not Top 20 better....or Top 100 for that matter....but hes gettin better as a lyricist.

1. Nas
2. Tupac
3. Big Pun
4. Eminem
5. The Notorious B.I.G.
6. Ice Cube (All of Eazy-E's ****, his own ****. Classics out the ass)
7. Royce Da 5'9"
8. Jay-Z
9. Kurupt
10. Joe Budden
11. The D.O.C.
12. Vinnie Paz
13. Big L
14. Andre 3000
15. Rakim
16. KRS-One
17. Lupe Fiasco
18. Talib Kweli
19. Canibus
20. Slug

The first five are in exact order for me, the rest, change from mood to mood. Nonetheless, close as I'll get to narrowing it down.

The criteria of this list is a combination of lyricall skill, microphone presence and mpact on Hip Hop (Respect to Tupac as an artist but never really felt him so I have no idea where i would put him on a list like this).


1) Rakim
2) Nas
3) Big Daddy Kane
4) Notorious B.I.G
5) Krs-One
6) Kool G rap
7) Reasonable Doubt :)
8) Black Thought
9) Chuck Dee
10) Method Man
11) Common
12) Big Pun
13) GZA
14) A.Z.
15) Guru
16) Red Man
17) Treach
18) Big L
19) C.L. Smooth
20) Mos Def

The criteria of this list is a combination of lyricall skill, microphone presence and mpact on Hip Hop (Respect to Tupac as an artist but never really felt him so I have no idea where i would put him on a list like this).


1) Rakim
2) Nas
3) Big Daddy Kane
4) Notorious B.I.G
5) Krs-One
6) Kool G rap
7) Reasonable Doubt :)
8) Black Thought
9) Chuck Dee
10) Method Man
11) Common
12) Big Pun
13) GZA
14) A.Z.
15) Guru
16) Red Man
17) Treach
18) Big L
19) C.L. Smooth
20) Mos Def

Even if you was never into Tupac's music to have 'impact on hip hop' as one of the criterias to get on your list and then not have Tupac in the top 20 is really bad.

Like his music or not he is the most influential hip hop artist of all time.

Tupac
Biggie
Rakim
Big L
Kool G Rap
Big Pun
Eminem
Ice Cube
Luda
Ghostface
Nas
Jay Z
Chuck D
Prodigy
Redman (underrated)
Method Man
Common
Andre 3000
GZA
Canibus

Even if you was never into Tupac's music to have 'impact on hip hop' as one of the criterias to get on your list and then not have Tupac in the top 20 is really bad.

Like his music or not he is the most influential hip hop artist of all time.

I think if i were to argue that pac didn't belong on a list like this that would be bad. I wouldn't have a problem with someone putting Pac anywhere on the list I gave accept for over Rakim. My point was that I don't personally know WHERE to put him and so if i don't know where to put him, how do I include him? Do I just put him off to the side? But that is sort of what i did by writing the disclaimer before my list.

As for pac being the most influential rapper of all time, i suppose it depends on what you mean by that. If you mean global influence (People listening to him in China and Russia and stuff like that) o.k. probably, but that wasn't the kind of influence i was talking about. Now if you meant influence in the sense that i said i did: influence within Hip Hop I think that is incorrect to say that pac was the most influential rapper in history. Pac dosen't even break the top 5 for influence in Hip Hop.

Honestly though, there is certainly truth to what your saying about my list in general. I've always known that Pac was the big hurdle for me in making lists like this. I admit that it's incomplete.

I think if i were to argue that pac didn't belong on a list like this that would be bad. I wouldn't have a problem with someone putting Pac anywhere on the list I gave accept for over Rakim. My point was that I don't personally know WHERE to put him and so if i don't know where to put him, how do I include him? Do I just put him off to the side? But that is sort of what i did by writing the disclaimer before my list.

As for pac being the most influential rapper of all time, i suppose it depends on what you mean by that. If you mean global influence (People listening to him in China and Russia and stuff like that) o.k. probably, but that wasn't the kind of influence i was talking about. Now if you meant influence in the sense that i said i did: influence within Hip Hop I think that is incorrect to say that pac was the most influential rapper in history. Pac dosen't even break the top 5 for influence in Hip Hop.

Honestly though, there is certainly truth to what your saying about my list in general. I've always known that Pac was the big hurdle for me in making lists like this. I admit that it's incomplete.

Another thing that's tough for me is whether to give the three spot to Biggie or Kane. lyrics or influence? To tell you the truth I go back and forth, Big had that number 3 spot not too long ago and he'll probably get it again soon :lol1:.

1. Lil Wayne
2. Chamillioniare
3. Luda
4. Big Boy
4. Andre 3000
6. Slim Thug
7. Master P.
8. Trick Daddy
9. T.I
10. Pimp-C
11. Bun-B
12. Lil Ke Ke
13. Lil Flip
14. Bushwick Bill
15. Trina
16. Willie D
17. Lil Webbie
18. Hurricane Chris
19. Souja Boy
20. Scarface

1. Lil Wayne
2. Chamillioniare
3. Luda
4. Big Boy
4. Andre 3000
6. Slim Thug
7. Master P.
8. Trick Daddy
9. T.I
10. Pimp-C
11. Bun-B
12. Lil Ke Ke
13. Lil Flip
14. Bushwick Bill
15. Trina
16. Willie D
17. Lil Webbie
18. Hurricane Chris
19. Souja Boy
20. Scarface

Is this supposed to be a serious list?

Is this supposed to be a serious list?
What the hell you mean?? I didn't question your list at all..

What the hell you mean?? I didn't question your list at all..

Your welcome to question my list.

My big question is how could Soulja Boy possibly be ahead of Scarface?

Ermm i dont know about top 15, but here goes...

1)L-Macc
2)Vanilla Ice (cant mess with his lyrics)
3)Milli Vanilli
4)Sugar Hill Gang
5)John Barnes (In the Liverpool fa cup final song and the england world cup song)
6)Dmx ('' give a dog a bone, give a dog a home, let a dog roam and he'll find his way home")
7)Bravehearts ("First the studio, then a video, then i **** a ho, count my cash flow")

Thats all i got for now, real talk.

Your welcome to question my list.

My big question is how could Soulja Boy possibly be ahead of Scarface?
Souja Boy's Superman has out sold & jammed everything Face has put out..

1. Lil Wayne
2. Chamillioniare
3. Luda
4. Big Boy
4. Andre 3000
6. Slim Thug
7. Master P.
8. Trick Daddy
9. T.I
10. Pimp-C
11. Bun-B
12. Lil Ke Ke
13. Lil Flip
14. Bushwick Bill
15. Trina
16. Willie D
17. Lil Webbie
18. Hurricane Chris
19. Souja Boy
20. Scarface

Lil Wayne ahead of Chamillionaire, Luda, Big Boi and Andre 3000? You can't be serious.

Lil Wayne ahead of Chamillionaire, Luda, Big Boi and Andre 3000? You can't be serious.
That's just me playa...sorry.

1. Lil Wayne
2. Chamillioniare
3. Luda
4. Big Boy
4. Andre 3000
6. Slim Thug
7. Master P.
8. Trick Daddy
9. T.I
10. Pimp-C
11. Bun-B
12. Lil Ke Ke
13. Lil Flip
14. Bushwick Bill
15. Trina
16. Willie D
17. Lil Webbie
18. Hurricane Chris
19. Souja Boy
20. Scarface

What a joke!!!!!

Is somebody a tad bias towards rappers from the south??

ERRMM. I think so!!

This is absolute DOG ****!! The fact that you have soulja boy on the list means I will no longer EVER pay attention to anything you have to say about hip hop after this post. When you have a list for the top 20 MCs and somebody (you) makes a list and the likes of Rakim, Nas, 2pac, Biggie and Jay Z are nowhere to be seen it just shows you have NO idea what you're talking about. The 5 I mentioned should be in most peoples top 10 somewhere but you don't even have them on your list AT ALL!! NOT A SINGLE ONE!!! Yet you have names like Trick Daddy, T.I, and Soulja Boy on there.

If you are serious and do love Hip Hop then please do me a favour and just broaden your outlook because with you being so into the south you're missing out on so much.

What a joke!!!!!

Is somebody a tad bias towards rappers from the south??

ERRMM. I think so!!

This is absolute DOG ****!! The fact that you have soulja boy on the list means I will no longer EVER pay attention to anything you have to say about hip hop after this post. When you have a list for the top 20 MCs and somebody (you) makes a list and the likes of Rakim, Nas, 2pac, Biggie and Jay Z are nowhere to be seen it just shows you have NO idea what you're talking about. The 5 I mentioned should be in most peoples top 10 somewhere but you don't even have them on your list AT ALL!! NOT A SINGLE ONE!!! Yet you have names like Trick Daddy, T.I, and Soulja Boy on there.

If you are serious and do love Hip Hop then please do me a favour and just broaden your outlook because with you being so into the south you're missing out on so much.



I don't even know who Lil keke is :lol1:

I don't even know who Lil keke is :lol1:

**** him, do you know who L-Macc is?

Cant beat this guy, one of the best of all time.

What a joke!!!!!

Is somebody a tad bias towards rappers from the south??

ERRMM. I think so!!

This is absolute DOG ****!! The fact that you have soulja boy on the list means I will no longer EVER pay attention to anything you have to say about hip hop after this post. When you have a list for the top 20 MCs and somebody (you) makes a list and the likes of Rakim, Nas, 2pac, Biggie and Jay Z are nowhere to be seen it just shows you have NO idea what you're talking about. The 5 I mentioned should be in most peoples top 10 somewhere but you don't even have them on your list AT ALL!! NOT A SINGLE ONE!!! Yet you have names like Trick Daddy, T.I, and Soulja Boy on there.

If you are serious and do love Hip Hop then please do me a favour and just broaden your outlook because with you being so into the south you're missing out on so much.
What can I say playa, I love the South..Rakim, Nas, biggie all suck...Souja Boy's one hit superman has out sold & played everyone on your list best hit...

I don't even know who Lil keke is :lol1:
Lil Kee, original Screwed Up Click representa....Hit songs like Sothside, Pimpin the Pen, Don't **** with Texas....

What can I say playa, I love the South..Rakim, Nas, biggie all suck...Souja Boy's one hit superman has out sold & played everyone on your list best hit...


Biggie sucks? :ugh:

Lil Kee, original Screwed Up Click representa....Hit songs like Sothside, Pimpin the Pen, Don't **** with Texas....

If sales is your criteria where is Tupac and Jay Z? None of the people on your list can come anywhere close to them for sales.

Biggie sucks? :ugh:
Biggie was overrated with a capital O.....He made good music but damn...I'll go Pac over Biggie any day....As well as Lil Wayne over the both of them..feel me?

Biggie sucks? :ugh:

Seriously now, Rosewood is a legend.

but,

I cant believe he went for Soulja boy over biggie and Nas,

Absolutely Shocking.

:ugh:

Biggie sucks? :ugh:

Biggie Smalls is the wickedest
*****z say I'm *****? I dare you to stick your dick in this
If I was ***** I'd be filled with syphillis
Herpes, gonorrhea, chlamydia, gettin rid of ya
Got it locked like the penitentiary
*****z mention me for M.C. execution, who you choosin?
The wack MC? Or the black fat MC?
Jack Dempsey would start shakin
All it's takin, is some marijuana and I'm makin
MC's break fast like flapjacks and bacon
Backspins to windmill, who's still the gin drinker
Ill thinker - explodin when the paper hits the ink, uhh
Take your gangsta chronicles, turn to page 666
Holocaust, Big the merciless
*****z press they luck-and they get a butt****-in
Straight up the ass, raw dog with the rash
and I don't **** wit the condoms
The condoms is a problem from the AIDS gettin sprayed
Diseases, Big pleases, MC's across the seas
is just the way I clutch my prey, hey
I'm crazy and deranged
Blowin *****z out the frame, simple and plain
But gettin back, to the black, rhinocerous of rap
Big took a loss, how preposterous is that *****?
Recognize.. notorious Biggie Smalls, ninety-four, "Ready to Die"

AMAZING!!

Biggie Smalls is the wickedest
*****z say I'm *****? I dare you to stick your dick in this
If I was ***** I'd be filled with syphillis
Herpes, gonorrhea, chlamydia, gettin rid of ya
Got it locked like the penitentiary
*****z mention me for M.C. execution, who you choosin?
The wack MC? Or the black fat MC?
Jack Dempsey would start shakin
All it's takin, is some marijuana and I'm makin
MC's break fast like flapjacks and bacon
Backspins to windmill, who's still the gin drinker
Ill thinker - explodin when the paper hits the ink, uhh
Take your gangsta chronicles, turn to page 666
Holocaust, Big the merciless
*****z press they luck-and they get a butt****-in
Straight up the ass, raw dog with the rash
and I don't **** wit the condoms
The condoms is a problem from the AIDS gettin sprayed
Diseases, Big pleases, MC's across the seas
is just the way I clutch my prey, hey
I'm crazy and deranged
Blowin *****z out the frame, simple and plain
But gettin back, to the black, rhinocerous of rap
Big took a loss, how preposterous is that *****?
Recognize.. notorious Biggie Smalls, ninety-four, "Ready to Die"

AMAZING!!

and that was a freestyle...a REAL one.

and that was a freestyle...a REAL one.
I was just BSing with Biggie...Biggie is nice with the mic.

1. Lil Wayne
2. Chamillioniare
3. Luda
4. Big Boy
4. Andre 3000
6. Slim Thug
7. Master P.
8. Trick Daddy
9. T.I
10. Pimp-C
11. Bun-B
12. Lil Ke Ke
13. Lil Flip
14. Bushwick Bill
15. Trina
16. Willie D
17. Lil Webbie
18. Hurricane Chris
19. Souja Boy
20. Scarface


Scarface number 20 a bit harsh maybe, i reckon his top 15 if not top 10.......

Scarface number 20 a bit harsh maybe, i reckon his top 15 if not top 10.......
Scarface's flow is a little suspect to me..Although he's from the home town, I was never a fan of his...GhettoBoy yea, Scarface No..

What can I say playa, I love the South..Rakim, Nas, biggie all suck...Souja Boy's one hit superman has out sold & played everyone on your list best hit...


LMAO. So? Then your list should be topped by Vanilla Ice and Mc Hammer. They have outsold Lil' Wayne. So, you're new top two are Mc hammer and Vanilla Ice, OKay?

In no order

Rakim
Nas
Scarface
KRS-ONE
Masta Ace
B.I.G.
Guru
Tech N9ne
Q-Tip
Common
Chino XL
Eminem
Pharoahe Monch
Pun
Everlast
Gza
Ice Cube
LL Cool J
Slick Rick
Chuck D

LMAO. So? Then your list should be topped by Vanilla Ice and Mc Hammer. They have outsold Lil' Wayne. So, you're new top two are Mc hammer and Vanilla Ice, OKay?

Yeah I said something similar about jay Z and Pac but he never responds to that particular argument. Jay Z and Pac are all time best selling artists of American music period, regardless of genre, but some how, Lil Ke Ke made it and they didn't.

rakim
bdk
n9na
kgr
nas
cube
ll
krs
az
monch
jay
acey
masta
chuck d
common
notorious
tupac
face
guru
slick rick

something like that^

Oh, Tuggers (and anyone else interested0 maybe i should clarify myself a little bit about what I mean when I say "influence within Hip Hop". This is actually a talent category. In order to have an influence within Hip Hop you had to have been an innovator within Hip Hop. That is the only way you have a strong influence INSIDE of it, as a culture, not a business. It takes more talent to innovate something and use it then it takes to just use something that someone else innovates. That is exactly why I say it is a talent category. As for global influence that is something completely different, i don't factor that in because i'm not sure what fame tells you about how great a rapper someone is. I mean M.C. hammer's global fame and influence would make him atleast third or fourth in that area. However what does that say about whether or not he should be put on a list like this?

C-Drone & RES: Souja Boy's two radio hits (Superman & Souja Girl) have and will continue to sell more that any one hit wonder ever, in History, except for a Michael Jackson hit...Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Pac nor Jay has had a HIT to product the rave that Superman has...It will be played for years to come...Everyone in America is still trying to learn the Superman dance..People mastered the running man & typewriter that Hammer and Ice did in seconds..You don't see Dave Lederman, Jimmy Kimble, Leno or Carson Daily doing the damn running man..But they all brought that young cat on their show to learn the Superman..Its a rave that all races, backgrounds, classes and ages want to learn...So Superman that hoe!!!

With that being said, my list shall remain the same..Thanks

In no order

Rakim
Nas
Scarface
KRS-ONE
Masta Ace
B.I.G.
Guru
Tech N9ne
Q-Tip
Common
Chino XL
Eminem
Pharoahe Monch
Pun
Everlast
Gza
Ice Cube
LL Cool J
Slick Rick
Chuck D

rakim
bdk
n9na
kgr
nas
cube
ll
krs
az
monch
jay
acey
masta
chuck d
common
notorious
tupac
face
guru
slick rick

something like that^

He should be on everybodys list. He's so underrated its a joke. Has got one of the best flows ive ever heard in my life.

Pac had influence. Notice how everybody tried to imitae how he did his hooks for a while. And also his work ethic. Look at all these mixtape rappers. And take Wayne for example they have **** loads of material that is being released. Pac had so much material that all these other rappers started grindin harder.

C-Drone & RES: Souja Boy's two radio hits (Superman & Souja Girl) have and will continue to sell more that any one hit wonder ever, in History, except for a Michael Jackson hit...Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Pac nor Jay has had a HIT to product the rave that Superman has...It will be played for years to come...Everyone in America is still trying to learn the Superman dance..People mastered the running man & typewriter that Hammer and Ice did in seconds..You don't see Dave Lederman, Jimmy Kimble, Leno or Carson Daily doing the damn running man..But they all brought that young cat on their show to learn the Superman..Its a rave that all races, backgrounds, classes and ages want to learn...So Superman that hoe!!!

With that being said, my list shall remain the same..Thanks
If you're going to count Soulja Girl and Superman...does that make him a one-hit wonder anymore? (smilie)

C-Drone & RES: Souja Boy's two radio hits (Superman & Souja Girl) have and will continue to sell more that any one hit wonder ever, in History, except for a Michael Jackson hit...Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Pac nor Jay has had a HIT to product the rave that Superman has...It will be played for years to come...Everyone in America is still trying to learn the Superman dance..People mastered the running man & typewriter that Hammer and Ice did in seconds..You don't see Dave Lederman, Jimmy Kimble, Leno or Carson Daily doing the damn running man..But they all brought that young cat on their show to learn the Superman..Its a rave that all races, backgrounds, classes and ages want to learn...So Superman that hoe!!!

With that being said, my list shall remain the same..Thanks

Yeah.. You keep thinking that Soulja Boy is a good rapper. And I'll keep laughing.

He's not the biggest one hit wonder, either. By the way. Maybe in terms of ringtones, but he's breakin' NO records in that debartment, either. Plus, essentially, in the grand scheme of things, his album bricked. For example, Chamillionaire, a REAL rapper, has sold more ringtones. Jay-Z, a real rapper, has sold more albums. So, he's done nothing impressive.

By the way, they didn't need some piece of **** dance to do either of those things.

C-Drone & RES: Souja Boy's two radio hits (Superman & Souja Girl) have and will continue to sell more that any one hit wonder ever, in History, except for a Michael Jackson hit...Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Pac nor Jay has had a HIT to product the rave that Superman has...It will be played for years to come...Everyone in America is still trying to learn the Superman dance..People mastered the running man & typewriter that Hammer and Ice did in seconds..You don't see Dave Lederman, Jimmy Kimble, Leno or Carson Daily doing the damn running man..But they all brought that young cat on their show to learn the Superman..Its a rave that all races, backgrounds, classes and ages want to learn...So Superman that hoe!!!

With that being said, my list shall remain the same..Thanks


Ummm I think you should have ended with your "number of units sold" argument. Once you got into "a hit to produce the rave that superman has" you got waaay off track. Listen to me. No single rap song has ever, had the mainstream popularity that M.C. Hammer's song U Can't Touch this had. Almost all of M.C. Hammer's mainstream fame rested upon that song and M.C. Hammer in his prime was more famous than any other rapper has ever been in their prime, including P Diddy and Jay Z. You could go into a senior citizens home in the early 90's and they would know who M.C. Hammer was. i think I need to find you a Time machine because comparing Superman to U can't Touch This as a cultural sensation is a joke. I know so many people (mostly older ofcourse) that don't know the song Superman that's it's not even funny. Infact if you went on the street (in a non all Black neighborhood which represents the general public) and asked random middle aged people whether they knew that song you would get "no's" all over the place. If you did the same thing with song U can't Touch This by m.c. hammer, even now, 18 YEARS later you would get the opposite result. You think Superman will last 18 years? HAHAHA, trust me it won't even last five; especially considering the rate at which the South is cranking out new dance hits. Oh and if you want to compare sales you have to put things in perspective to get the math right. There were 50 million fewer people in this country alone when Hammer was big.

Ummm I think you should have ended with your "number of units sold" argument. Once you got into "a hit to produce the rave that superman has" you got waaay off track. Listen to me. No single rap song has ever, had the mainstream popularity that M.C. Hammer's song U Can't Touch this had. Almost all of M.C. Hammer's mainstream fame rested upon that song and M.C. Hammer in his prime was more famous than any other rapper has ever been in their prime, including P Diddy and Jay Z. You could go into a senior citizens home in the early 90's and they would know who M.C. Hammer was. i think I need to find you a Time machine because comparing Superman to U can't Touch This as a cultural sensation is a joke. I know so many people (mostly older ofcourse) that don't know the song Superman that's it's not even funny. Infact if you went on the street (in a non all Black neighborhood which represents the general public) and asked random middle aged people whether they knew that song you would get "no's" all over the place. If you did the same thing with song U can't Touch This by m.c. hammer, even now, 18 YEARS later you would get the opposite result. You think Superman will last 18 years? HAHAHA, trust me it won't even last five; especially considering the rate at which the South is cranking out new dance hits. Oh and if you want to compare sales you have to put things in perspective to get the math right. There were 50 million fewer people in this country alone when Hammer was big.
I would say Superman isn't as big as Whoomp! There It Is or Ice Ice Baby or Baby Got Back either... Maybe Gangsta's Paradise too

If you're going to count Soulja Girl and Superman...does that make him a one-hit wonder anymore? (smilie)
He will be the alltime One Hit Wonder of the world..Superman will give him that title. Souja Girl is getting radio play off that hype..

Ummm I think you should have ended with your "number of units sold" argument. Once you got into "a hit to produce the rave that superman has" you got waaay off track. Listen to me. No single rap song has ever, had the mainstream popularity that M.C. Hammer's song U Can't Touch this had. Almost all of M.C. Hammer's mainstream fame rested upon that song and M.C. Hammer in his prime was more famous than any other rapper has ever been in their prime, including P Diddy and Jay Z. You could go into a senior citizens home in the early 90's and they would know who M.C. Hammer was. i think I need to find you a Time machine because comparing Superman to U can't Touch This as a cultural sensation is a joke. I know so many people (mostly older ofcourse) that don't know the song Superman that's it's not even funny. Infact if you went on the street (in a non all Black neighborhood which represents the general public) and asked random middle aged people whether they knew that song you would get "no's" all over the place. If you did the same thing with song U can't Touch This by m.c. hammer, even now, 18 YEARS later you would get the opposite result. You think Superman will last 18 years? HAHAHA, trust me it won't even last five; especially considering the rate at which the South is cranking out new dance hits. Oh and if you want to compare sales you have to put things in perspective to get the math right. There were 50 million fewer people in this country alone when Hammer was big.
I would have to disagree with you RES...Superman has only been out you 1 year or so and you still hear it with the hottest song on the radio playlist, not to mention it was voted the 1 video of the year..In the years to come, people will still be trying to learn the damn Superman. I don't know where the hell you stay but everybody and their mamma is doing this young cats dance..My nephew is 2yrs old and he knows the track and dance.....I'll stop here but trust me when I say time will tell..

I would say Superman isn't as big as Whoomp! There It Is or Ice Ice Baby or Baby Got Back either... Maybe Gangsta's Paradise too
I completely disagree with that Neils..

I completely disagree with that Neils..
Being that I got all the reaction I expected from you cats, I can now tell you that my list a complete joke..I just wanted to see how the boxing scene hip hop GODS would react....But as you guys can see, I can argue both sides...

RES,C-Drone, Neils, etc..yall can now take that chill pill..

Being that I got all the reaction I expected from you cats, I can now tell you that my list a complete joke..I just wanted to see how the boxing scene hip hop GODS would react....But as you guys can see, I can argue both sides...

RES,C-Drone, Neils, etc..yall can now take that chill pill..

I've been calm.

I've been calm.

I flipped my lid BIG TIME! haha

Nobody leaves Biggie, Pac and Nas out of a top 20 GOAT list and gets away with it when I'm around.

Come on then Rosewood, show us your real list.

and PLEASE don't put Lil Wayne at the top.

I would have to disagree with you RES...Superman has only been out you 1 year or so and you still hear it with the hottest song on the radio playlist, not to mention it was voted the 1 video of the year..In the years to come, people will still be trying to learn the damn Superman. I don't know where the hell you stay but everybody and their mamma is doing this young cats dance..My nephew is 2yrs old and he knows the track and dance.....I'll stop here but trust me when I say time will tell..



Where i am is somewhere where there are not just Black folks from the South. I am in New York City, (the most diverse city in the world) and see every ethnicity, the full picture of the country. Nice that it got video of the year but that's far from the TWO GRAMMIES that Hammer's U can't Touch This got. Superman can't begin to come close to the number of people that recognize that song in every type of neighborhood, among all ethnicities, no matter how old...and it's 18 years later!

Being that I got all the reaction I expected from you cats, I can now tell you that my list a complete joke..I just wanted to see how the boxing scene hip hop GODS would react....But as you guys can see, I can argue both sides...

RES,C-Drone, Neils, etc..yall can now take that chill pill..

lol Well Rose that would have been played well if i hadn't have asked you if it was a joke in the first place

I flipped my lid BIG TIME! haha

Nobody leaves Biggie, Pac and Nas out of a top 20 GOAT list and gets away with it when I'm around.

Come on then Rosewood, show us your real list.

and PLEASE don't put Lil Wayne at the top.
To be honest Tug, I really can't put together a list. I love music period and I'm not just south Bias as people may think.. Let me see..

IN NO ORDER..

UGK (Bun B & Pimp)
Ghetto Boys (Not really a face solo fan)
KRS-ONE (the criminal minded one)
B.I.G.
Common
Slim Shady
Ice Cube
LL Cool J
Slick Rick
Public Enemy (Chuck couldn't have done it without Flav.)
Jay z
2 Pac
Lil Wayne
Chamillion
Dr. Dre
Master P. (produced some great music in his time on top)
Snoop (Mr. Plat.)
Eazy E ( A straight up G)
MC Lyte (This is the baddest chic on the mic)
DMX (Lyrical GOD)
Kanye (Make GREAT Music)
Method Man/ODB (The only cats I really like from WU)
TI (Makes great music)
A TRIBE CALLED QUEST
Cee-Loo Green
OutKast (Big Boi & Andre 3000)
R. Kelly (the 40% hip hop one)
Fabalous (Very Underrated)
Slim thug (He's a underground legend down in Houston)
The Entire oldschool Swisha House & Screwed Up Click
etc.

I could go on forever...

IN NO ORDER..

UGK (Bun B & Pimp)
Ghetto Boys (Not really a face solo fan)
KRS-ONE (the criminal minded one)
B.I.G.
Common
Slim Shady
Ice Cube
LL Cool J
Slick Rick
Public Enemy (Chuck couldn't have done it without Flav.)
Jay z
2 Pac
Lil Wayne
Chamillion
Dr. Dre
Master P. (produced some great music in his time on top)
Snoop (Mr. Plat.)
Eazy E ( A straight up G)
MC Lyte (This is the baddest chic on the mic)
DMX (Lyrical GOD)
Kanye (Make GREAT Music)
Method Man/ODB (The only cats I really like from WU)
TI (Makes great music)
A TRIBE CALLED QUEST
Cee-Loo Green
OutKast (Big Boi & Andre 3000)
R. Kelly (the 40% hip hop one)
Fabalous (Very Underrated)
Slim thug (He's a underground legend down in Houston)
The Entire oldschool Swisha House & Screwed Up Click
etc.

I could go on forever...

I agree about Fab being underrated. He reminds me of Method Man. So much skill on the mic and potential but never really made it big the way he should have. Same goes for Pharoahe Monch

I agree about Fab being underrated. He reminds me of Method Man. So much skill on the mic and potential but never really made it big the way he should have. Same goes for Pharoahe Monch


Fab needs to do more with his flow, not just throw out punchlines, even though their good punchlines.

Fab needs to do more with his flow, not just throw out punchlines, even though their good punchlines.
I agree!!! Fab has done the different flavor of music but still his voice is at the same tone over and over...

Fab is nice on the mic. His new album he did things a little differently. He balanced out the album this time around. It's the only Fab album I ever really liked. But his punches are dope without a doubt. Just go through his mixtapes if you wanna hear straight heat throughout.

Fab is nice on the mic. His new album he did things a little differently. He balanced out the album this time around. It's the only Fab album I ever really liked. But his punches are dope without a doubt. Just go through his mixtapes if you wanna hear straight heat throughout.
Real Talk was his best album to me....123 yall don't really want to F with me..