I saw this on some program the other day - and I'm wondering, how the **** can some animals become gay?

They mate, hunt, sleep and perform other functions due to an inherited instinct, they don't have the capacity to conceptualise anything in detail (at least nothing major), the live in the moment, so how the **** can they become gay? It's not like they have choices, they **** because they want too, they eat because they are hungry.

Does this alleviate to the possibility that being gay is "hardwired" in them before they are born, while they are still fetus'? Does this lend to the other possibility that homosexuality in humans is not acquired in society, but is rather a genetic disposition?

I know some chimps are homosexual.

I think being gay is both nature and nurture.

no, I'm talking about animals that aren't even related to us - like lions.

dont bears masterbate?

only on sundays.

I hate a really good picture for this sort of thread and now I can't find it.

This thread can only get ugly.

That's if it gets going...


- J.

haha i like goat sex!!

its actually turning into a pretty interesting discussion over at sherdogs, this is something I wrote in response to someone:

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I'm no expert in the field, far from it, I just find this interesting discussion - but from what I've learned (admittedly very little) in basic psychology ****, animals ARE individual, and they have individual characteristics, BUT animals only have a very small ability to conceptualise and become "their" own, they dont think about the future, they dont dwell on the past, they live only in the moment.

I personally think this tiny allowance for development of individual characteristics in animals is nature's method of giving them a buffer - in case the animal is brought up in an environment different from whence it's ancestors came. However, I don't think that this basic ability to develope quirks extends as far as overiding the basic survival and reproduction functions.

well you are articulate to the point that i didnt read it... But youuse big words.


good repy man.

did i tell you I used to read Stephen King? Its true, I can describe a simple setting in no less than 50 pages :)

Without an ability to learn from past experiences and an ability to prepare for the future, there is no difference between individuals of a subspecies.

Ergo, their personas (and resultant individuality) are extremely limited.

Therefore, I believe comparisons between animals and human pyschology on this subject is flawed as it is reliant on a flawed presumption - that humans and animals both have unique personalities.

- J.

Jarrod, interesting point, but in nature there are ways of passing information to the next generation - perhaps not in the same fashion that occurs with humans but gets the job done anyway.

There is a butterfly that every winter, apparently flies back to where it's predessesors came from, as you know, butterflies do not have a long life span. These butterflies will not make the full length of the trip, but they will mate before they die in order to replicate themselves and these offspring will continue the journey that it's parent started. This is something called genetic memory, I believe, and a "map" back to it's homeland is hard coded into it's genes and allows the creature to return to somewhere it has never been before.

Its a nature vs nurture issue.
But i personally think its nature. Animals dont have access to richard simmons and elton john, which turn humans into homosexuals. They dont have to see soap operas and tv shows like my 2 dads which further promote homosexuality.
Id also like to know which animals are gay because i would stop eating them away. Does the gayness of the animal rub off? when a dog sticks out a paw is it now gay? If eaten by a human does that human start having gay sex? Well gay groups start lobbying for the protection of gay animal rights? Will eminem write a song about gay animals? The world is an interesting place...