It was pretty ****in good, i gotta admit.

The Liddell-Silva fight was SOOOOO boring in the first round, i thought it was gonna be a waste, but the 2nd and 3rd rounds were pretty exciting.

The Announcers really tried to sell that fight though. They said it was a historic fight, one of the best... idk much about MMA, but im pretty sure that was a ****in beatdown by Liddell, he had Silva out on his feet like all of round 2 and he was bleeding like a maniac... It was pretty exciting but onesided, and i cant imagine that being anything close to one of the best UFC fights...

Not to mention, the entire fight was basically a glorified boxing match because of the small gloves.

Another thing, anyone else shocked by the lack of stamina? They were both exhausted midway into round 2... i personally think its because they are all muscle, and just like Jeff Lacy, it starts to burn out after a couple of minutes...

But that Hughes vs St-Pierre fight was boring. I hate the wrestling part of MMA, its a real turn off for me. In the tale of the tape it said St-Pierre was only 1 inch taller? bull****... he seemed huge in comparison.

that first round was funny though, with that hump move that St-Pierre did towards the end. lol. wtf was that all about.

But Hughes didnt seem like he had a chance, he just got his ass kicked. idk much about MMA though...






oh, and they have to kill Bruce Buffer. Firing him is just not enough. Its a good start, but ending his life altogether would make everybody happier.

Was it good? I've tried to get into MMA, but god the wrestiling just kills it for me. I was pretty interested in tonight's fight though.

Does anyone have a download link? I've heard good things about Chuck? Does he not wrestle that much? If so, it'll make me a fan.

I'm kicking myself for missing this. I thought Lidell would lose.

MMA is garbage I got the same rush watching some kids fight at the mall...

So Liddell and GSP won, good ****. GSP is going to smash on Serra when the time comes.

the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years.

Was it good? I've tried to get into MMA, but god the wrestiling just kills it for me. I was pretty interested in tonight's fight though.

Does anyone have a download link? I've heard good things about Chuck? Does he not wrestle that much? If so, it'll make me a fan.

idk, he tackled the guy once but it was almost entirely a boxing match.

But one of the undercards that i watched a bit of (flipped back and forth between this and giants-pats) was UNBEARABLEY boring, the announcers were even ragging on the fighters.

Other then that it was pretty fun

I'm kicking myself for missing this. I thought Lidell would lose.

I put a 1$ bet on liddell and you read that correctly :D just for fun. And i won.

I think they gassed out because they are pretty damn old by now. Silva is younger but he has been beaten badly many times and Chuck is like 38.

Both are legends of MMA but were at their best a year or two ago. It has only been downhill for both since then.

the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years.


I heard st. pierre and hughes was boring as **** with all the wrestiling (?)

Do you even watch boxing? Boxing is wayyyy more exciting.

good fight but the 30-27 for liddel is bs.Rounds 1 and 2 could have gone either way.only round 3 where it was clear that liddel won.I had it 29-28 for silva.No way was wandy going to win in chucks home by decision.

I heard st. pierre and hughes was boring as **** with all the wrestiling (?)

Do you even watch boxing? Boxing is wayyyy more exciting.

your absolutely insane.
do you know anything about wrestling?
do you know anything about jujitsu?
do you know anything about muy thai?

there are so many more variables in mma than boxing and the fights arent fixed.
boxing is a snooze fest by comparison specially with pbf being the guy to watch.

I heard st. pierre and hughes was boring as **** with all the wrestiling (?)

Do you even watch boxing? Boxing is wayyyy more exciting.

Both were REALLY onesided, i dont believe for a second that he means that at all.

And Pierre-Hughes was definetly boring as ****. All Wrestling, with a couple of good flurried by Pierre, and then he got Hughes's arm all twisted up and Hughes tapped out

it was boring but i guess if you know MMA u were impressed, and i dont know MMA.

Neither were anything remotely close to the entertainment of even a Marquez-Barrera type boxing match.

But to each his own i guess...

your absolutely insane.
do you know anything about wrestling?
do you know anything about jujitsu?
do you know anything about muy thai?

there are so many more variables in mma than boxing and the fights arent fixed.
boxing is a snooze fest by comparison specially with pbf being the guy to watch.

nope nope and nope, because they are all boring

the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years.

Let's not talk as much.

My boys GSP and Liddell won, I heard it was an amazing PPV.

GSP is the Top P4P fighter in MMA along with Fedor Emelianenko.

I wanna see Fedor Emelianenko vs Randy Couture, that's the best fight that can be made in MMA right now. I have no doubt in my mind that Fedor will destroy Couture if they ever fight.

nope nope and nope, because they are all boring

great response. traditional cultural warfare is definately boring. specially when we get to see it without bull**** managers and promoter getting their pockets lined.
i used to feel the same way until i did some research so i could understand what was happening and i will never watch another boxing match again as long as there is mma to watch instead it is inconsevably better on countless levels.

My boys GSP and Liddell won, I heard it was an amazing PPV.

GSP is the Top P4P fighter in MMA along with Fedor Emelianenko.

I wanna see Fedor Emelianenko vs Randy Couture, that's the best fight that can be made in MMA right now. I have no doubt in my mind that Fedor will destroy Couture if they ever fight.

It had some really good fights, but i wouldnt call it amazing.

The one thing i really gotta give major props to UFC for, is they make complete cards, and the fans are really into it.

Boxing has 2 or 3 really compelling cards from start to finish every year, and the others are almost entirely main event worthy, if that.

If you like MMA, u get ur moneys worth with UFC. I cant say the same thing about Boxing

The Liddell-Silva fight was cool, i mean it was just two guys punching eachother, really really amateurish, just picture two highschool kids in a back yard brawl, but entertaining to watch. The whole time im thinking, throw a jab because if either did it wouldve been a very easy fight. If they tried to fight any real boxer like that, im saying any boxer from 160 on up knocks them out within two rounds.

St.Pierre is a great athlete and dominated the whole fight. He trains with boxer Joachim Alcine, saw them sparring together on tv, so its good for the guy with the boxing connection to win, ha.

It had some really good fights, but i wouldnt call it amazing.

The one thing i really gotta give major props to UFC for, is they make complete cards, and the fans are really into it.

Boxing has 2 or 3 really compelling cards from start to finish every year, and the others are almost entirely main event worthy, if that.

If you like MMA, u get ur moneys worth with UFC. I cant say the same thing about Boxing

Slowly but surely that is changing and the fans will benefit from this change

GSP is the Top P4P fighter in MMA along with Fedor Emelianenko.



Aren't you forgetting Anderson Silva??

great response. traditional cultural warfare is definately boring. specially when we get to see it without bull**** managers and promoter getting their pockets lined.
i used to feel the same way until i did some research so i could understand what was happening and i will never watch another boxing match again as long as there is mma to watch instead it is inconsevably better on countless levels.

well ive been watching all the major UFC fights... and its always really boring when the wrestle...

The crowd becomes almost completely silent, there is almost entirely no action, and they make these silent agreements like they are both not going to do anything while they catch their breath.

But when they stand and fight its great cause it satisfies that blood lust and that action we all want.

The Wrestling is Very entertaining when the are actually doing something, but they never seem to be unless one guy is completely better and is just tearing his opponent apart

Entertainment wise, Both have their major plusses, but i can not imagine myself every giving up boxing to watch UFC... ever. Its good, but not that good.

But im glad its around because Boxing has really bettered itself and has put together some amazing fights

Aren't you forgetting Anderson Silva??

Anderson Silva is a great fighter, but he is the best of a weak Middleweight Division and the names on his resume in the UFC aren't that impressive. Here's his UFC resume.

Franklin - overrated

Mardquart - gatekeeper

Lutter - who??

Leben - gatekeeper

I'm not that impressed....Dan Henderson will kick the **** out of Silva when they fight in 2008.

It was a damn good fight, especially if you've followed both fighters and know what they are capable of. Silva should have pressed a little more and been more aggressive. Liddell was dead tired at the end of that fight, but damn, he landed the most brutal punches I've seen him hit anyone with and Silva was still standing, in a daze, but standing and willing to trade. It must come from Silva's Vale Tudo, which translates to anything goes, fight which enabled him to stay up during those exchanges. Tito wilted under the same kinda Chuck attack.

The Liddell-Silva fight was cool, i mean it was just two guys punching eachother, really really amateurish, just picture two highschool kids in a back yard brawl, but entertaining to watch. The whole time im thinking, throw a jab because if either did it wouldve been a very easy fight. If they tried to fight any real boxer like that, im saying any boxer from 160 on up knocks them out within two rounds.

St.Pierre is a great athlete and dominated the whole fight. He trains with boxer Joachim Alcine, saw them sparring together on tv, so its good for the guy with the boxing connection to win, ha.

yea really omg, Liddell is as amatuerish as im have ever seen a top level athelete look.

I dont care how much u love MMA or UFC, you HAVE to admit that.

He leaves his chin WIDE open and just wings wild punches. Any good boxer could SPANK that guy cause it doesnt seem like he can or wants to wrestle

well ive been watching all the major UFC fights... and its always really boring when the wrestle...

The crowd becomes almost completely silent, there is almost entirely no action, and they make these silent agreements like they are both not going to do anything while they catch their breath.

But when they stand and fight its great cause it satisfies that blood lust and that action we all want.

The Wrestling is Very entertaining when the are actually doing something, but they never seem to be unless one guy is completely better and is just tearing his opponent apart

Entertainment wise, Both have their major plusses, but i can not imagine myself every giving up boxing to watch UFC... ever. Its good, but not that good.

But im glad its around because Boxing has really bettered itself and has put together some amazing fights

i really hope that boxing will continue to better its game because of mma, i remember boxing matches from when i was a kid and they were ****ing great, and it wasnt just because i was a kid watching them,(i have rewatched them) but the diversity that an mma card offers is a lot more fun for me, now that i know more about whats going on. i actually like the wrestling if they are good wrestlers that is.

I know boxing had a great year with Mayweather-De la Hoya , Mayweather-Hatton, Calzaghe-Kessler, etc. but is it bad that I still get upset when there are UFC threads on my boxing forum? I mean, I didn't start the battle but...it's there. Every time a UFC fight is on, even on ****e tv, the same night as a boxing fight and I go to a bar to watch it- look out. People ***** and moan about boxing being boring, etc.

I'm a mature, intelligent guy but it still pisses me off to see an MMA thread in the Non Stop Boxing forum.

Just a natural reaction.

your absolutely insane.
do you know anything about wrestling?
do you know anything about jujitsu?
do you know anything about muy thai?

there are so many more variables in mma than boxing and the fights arent fixed.
boxing is a snooze fest by comparison specially with pbf being the guy to watch.

i think you are definately in the wrong place then.

Chuck knows how to wrestle, it's almost impossible to take/keep him down (watch Randy/Tito fights) but he is so damn sloppy. If you can strike well enough you don't even have to take him down, the only defence Chuck has is his chin and his punch.

This time his chin lasted the punches but I don't think Chuck can win another match against a class opponent unless it was someone as old/shot/slow/sloppy as himself.

His style worked against lesser strikers when he was a lot younger and could actually see the punches coming.

I know boxing had a great year with Mayweather-De la Hoya , Mayweather-Hatton, Calzaghe-Kessler, etc. but is it bad that I still get upset when there are UFC threads on my boxing forum? I mean, I didn't start the battle but...it's there. Every time a UFC fight is on, even on ****e tv, the same night as a boxing fight and I go to a bar to watch it- look out. People ***** and moan about boxing being boring, etc.

I'm a mature, intelligent guy but it still pisses me off to see an MMA thread in the Non Stop Boxing forum.

Just a natural reaction.

i actually think a deepening the pool of competition is good for boxing and mma. so i think this thread being here as a discussion of that symbiotic relationship is valid in this forum

i really hope that boxing will continue to better its game because of mma, i remember boxing matches from when i was a kid and they were ****ing great, and it wasnt just because i was a kid watching them,(i have rewatched them) but the diversity that an mma card offers is a lot more fun for me, now that i know more about whats going on. i actually like the wrestling if they are good wrestlers that is.

Yea i was watching that Hughes vs St-Pierre fight and the announcers were going crazy when St-Pierre would take Hughes down so easy.

And i had no idea what they were so suprised and entertained about. But im sure had i followed Hughes and St-Pierre, i would have understood.

And Boxing is making those great fights again, the end year stretch was absolutely amazing.

Cotto-Mosley, Calzaghe-kessler, Pavlik-Taylor... these fights were like the old time fights.

Unfortunelty, the best fights are reserved for PPV with terrible undercards, that nobody wants to buy for just one fight.

MMA has really given the promoters a clue, and the PPV sales have definetly increased lately due to better undercards and better main events

i think you are definately in the wrong place then.

you should read threads from about a year ago where i say the opposite because i didnt get it then.
i used to hate mma for the same reasons a lot of boxing fans do but i actually took the time to figure out what was going on.

the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years.

LMAO....

Nice one.

I started laughing when Chuck's trainer told him he was telegraphing his right punch like he had some type of insight, it was pretty much the most obvious statement ever and something he has always done

i actually think a deepening the pool of competition is good for boxing and mma. so i think this thread being here as a discussion of that symbiotic relationship is valid in this forum

How is the relationship between boxing and MMA symbiotic? You make half your points by emphasizing that UFC is superior. Better diversity, more fighting techinques, etc. "Boxing used to be good.." No. They are amazing fighters every year. You were probably just busy watching two nearly naked men wrestle on the ground while trying to gouge eachother's eyes out.

It's not symbiotic when most UFC fans take your approach- talking **** about OUR sport. Believe it or not...the existence of MMA is not changing boxing in any shape, way, or form. Boxers are doing what they do, as are the promoters and trainers- as they always have.

People like Joe Rogan get on television and talk about how much better UFC is- you know what? **** that. Symbiotic relationship? Try parasitic.

you should read threads from about a year ago where i say the opposite because i didnt get it then.
i used to hate mma for the same reasons a lot of boxing fans do but i actually took the time to figure out what was going on.

I know who you are, your posts still resemble your name.

i actually think a deepening the pool of competition is good for boxing and mma. so i think this thread being here as a discussion of that symbiotic relationship is valid in this forum

MMA fans like yourself are so defensive of your sport because in your minds, you think you have to over-power boxing to make MMA huge, which is wrong.

not only is it wrong, its impossible.

take some notes from kball and be a humble fan of your own sport, instead of trying to insult the other, which your clearly trying to do.

MMA fans like yourself are so defensive of your sport because in your minds, you think you have to over-power boxing to make MMA huge, which is wrong.

not only is it wrong, its impossible.

take some notes from kball and be a humble fan of your own sport, instead of trying to insult the other, which your clearly trying to do.

Great post, Azza.

I don't see why people have to down boxing so much in order to up their own sport.

MMA fans like yourself are so defensive of your sport because in your minds, you think you have to over-power boxing to make MMA huge, which is wrong.

not only is it wrong, its impossible.

take some notes from kball and be a humble fan of your own sport, instead of trying to insult the other, which your clearly trying to do.

the irony of your post is that is contradicts the ambevelent tone of mine that you quoted. i never said any of the things that you are asserting and it would appear that you are the defensive one.

nice try though

the irony of your post is that is contradicts the ambevelent tone of mine that you quoted. i never said any of the things that you are asserting and it would appear that you are the defensive one.

nice try though

man speak ****in english, i dont understand these big word mumbo jumbos man im no english major... shiiiiiit lol

man speak ****in english, i dont understand these big word mumbo jumbos man im no english major... shiiiiiit lol

seriously, i guess i came on too strong with my (personal) disappointment with boxing lately. you guys sure are fiesty in here.
whoo.

the irony of your post is that is contradicts the ambevelent tone of mine that you quoted. i never said any of the things that you are asserting and it would appear that you are the defensive one.

nice try though

"the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years."

-blockhead

Do you see how maybe, just maybe... people may take that as you trying to discredit boxing while making UFC seem better?

man speak ****in english, i dont understand these big word mumbo jumbos man im no english major... shiiiiiit lol

Don't worry- he doesn't spell any of those big words correctly.

seriously, i guess i came on too strong with my (personal) disappointment with boxing lately. you guys sure are fiesty in here.
whoo.

Why'd u put "personal" in parenthesis???

And if you've been watching boxing, how in the world could be dissapointed??? You chose a BAAAAAD year to leave boxing man, lol. For the past 5 years boxing has been pretty slow, with a good fight here and there... but 2007 was awsome... just a terrible year to leave boxing

joe rogan's a douchebag by the way.

joe rogan's a douchebag by the way.

Answer my question.

Why'd u put "personal" in parenthesis???

And if you've been watching boxing, how in the world could be dissapointed??? You chose a BAAAAAD year to leave boxing man, lol. For the past 5 years boxing has been pretty slow, with a good fight here and there... but 2007 was awsome... just a terrible year to leave boxing

personal because i "personally" have been frustated with boxing. and i guess i got the bad luck of the draw to start my boxing boycott this year.

KBALL15 your a traitor to the boxing community and should be banned for saying UFC 79 was somewhat entertaining, get the hell off of this forum

joe rogan's a douchebag by the way.

So is Bruce Buffer. They should fight, I would pay big money to see one of those two guys get Knocked out.

Better yet, as i suggested in my first post, They should end both of their lives entirely on like christmas or something, via a televised execution. It would be the best gift ever for the fans...

[QUOTE=Kaynan;2994736]"the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years."

-blockhead

Do you see how maybe, just maybe... people may take that as you trying to discredit boxing while making UFC seem better?[/QU

sure, they can take it how they want but the main word in that statement is "I", as in me, as in this individual.
i love boxing i just dont love what the promoters and managers and ppv people have done to it over the past few decades and i hope the same thing doesnt happen to mma.

KBALL15 your a traitor to the boxing community and should be banned for saying UFC 79 was somewhat entertaining, get the hell off of this forum

Just ignore this guy.

[QUOTE=Kaynan;2994736]"the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years."

-blockhead

Do you see how maybe, just maybe... people may take that as you trying to discredit boxing while making UFC seem better?[/QU

sure, they can take it how they want but the main word in that statement is "I", as in me, as in this individual.
i love boxing i just dont love what the promoters and managers and ppv people have done to it over the past few decades and i hope the same thing doesnt happen to mma.

You also told Azza that you (as in YOU) never said anything to try and discredit boxing.

So is Bruce Buffer. They should fight, I would pay big money to see one of those two guys get Knocked out.

Better yet, as i suggested in my first post, They should end both of their lives entirely on like christmas or something, via a televised execution. It would be the best gift ever for the fans...

i definately get some good laughs out of the corny anouncers and preview **** on ufc, i think how b movie style it all is; is probably another reason why i like it

[QUOTE=blockhead;2994753]

You also told Azza that you (as in YOU) never said anything to try and discredit boxing.

the only people who have discredited boxing are the people in your avatar and sig.

sure, they can take it how they want but the main word in that statement is "I", as in me, as in this individual.
i love boxing i just dont love what the promoters and managers and ppv people have done to it over the past few decades and i hope the same thing doesnt happen to mma.

I think something similar will happen to MMA once the fighters realize how much more boxers are making then them, and they realize they could be making that much as well.

I mean this year Boxings biggest name in Mayweather earned nearly FIFTY MILLION BUCKS!!!!!

The big names in UFC are lucky to make that in a career. If they dont complain or do SOMETHING eventually, they must not like money

the only people who have discredited boxing are the people in your avatar and sig.

LMFAO. Great argument. I see your great logic, there.

This guy...

They have already realized. Randy quit the UFC and Fedor didn't want to sign with them. Let's see if any other fighters will follow.

There has been a lot of talk about low payments compared to what other athletes are making.

I think something similar will happen to MMA once the fighters realize how much more boxers are making then them, and they realize they could be making that much as well.

I mean this year Boxings biggest name in Mayweather earned nearly FIFTY MILLION BUCKS!!!!!

The big names in UFC are lucky to make that in a career. If they dont complain or do SOMETHING eventually, they must not like money

oh i definately think your right. there is a short window of opportunity for us to enjoy the way it is now before it gets to that point.

[QUOTE=Kaynan;2994758]

the only people who have discredited boxing are the people in your avatar and sig.

ooooooooooo low blow...

What were the songs that Chuck and Wanderlei came into tonight. I have only heard that Chuck enterance song during his last fight, and the Silva song I've heard before, just don't know that name. If anyone knows pls let me know, thanks.

LMFAO. Great argument. I see your great logic, there.

This guy...

are you argueing that zab judah hasnt been a discrace to boxing?

[QUOTE=blockhead;2994770]

ooooooooooo low blow...

Haha... <lol>

LMFAO. Great argument. I see your great logic, there.

This guy...

See...I see you using logic and reason and he's backed himself into a corner:

"I say tonight's UFC was better than any boxing fights in the last ten years."

Well...that's offensive to boxing fans.

"What?? I used to be a boxing fan. I didn't say anything offensive."

"You said boxing has sucked and UFC is better. Pretty much."

"No...I said I say...as in I...not as in anyone else..."

"Yeah...so...YOU..as in..YOU...pissed us off.."

"What??"

What were the songs that Chuck and Wanderlei came into tonight. I have only heard that Chuck enterance song during his last fight, and the Silva song I've heard before, just don't know that name. If anyone knows pls let me know, thanks.

Silva: Darude - Sandstrom
Chuck: DMX - Intro

oh i definately think your right. there is a short window of opportunity for us to enjoy the way it is now before it gets to that point.

Dan White is a smart dude.

U may know this already, but Dana White and some investors bought the UFC for nearly 2 million bucks or something like that, and now its worth in the hundreds of millions.

Dana White is a smart dude, he'll probably figure something out. But thats gonna be a major problem i think

I'm arguing that you are trying to divert what we're talking about, which is very childish. Like a kid crying 'He did it first!'.. Lol, 2nd grade is over buddy.

See...I see you using logic and reason and he's backed himself into a corner:

"I say tonight's UFC was better than any boxing fights in the last ten years."

Well...that's offensive to boxing fans.

"What?? I used to be a boxing fan. I didn't say anything offensive."

"You said boxing has sucked and UFC is better. Pretty much."

"No...I said I say...as in I...not as in anyone else..."

"Yeah...so...YOU..as in..YOU...pissed us off.."

"What??"

do you know how to follow an argument?

See...I see you using logic and reason and he's backed himself into a corner:

"I say tonight's UFC was better than any boxing fights in the last ten years."

Well...that's offensive to boxing fans.

"What?? I used to be a boxing fan. I didn't say anything offensive."

"You said boxing has sucked and UFC is better. Pretty much."

"No...I said I say...as in I...not as in anyone else..."

"Yeah...so...YOU..as in..YOU...pissed us off.."

"What??"

Shhhhh...

He might read that and diss my avatar and signature...

are you argueing that zab judah hasnt been a discrace to boxing?

He took his beating from Cotto like a ****ing man...

I'm arguing that you are trying to divert what we're talking about, which is very childish. Like a kid crying 'He did it first!'.. Lol, 2nd grade is over buddy.

what do you want to hear?
that i think modern boxing is a ****ing sham.? yes i do.
do i think that mma is far more genuine and interesting? yes i do.
do i think that boxing promoters are riping fans off? yes i do.
do i wish that boxing would actually give decent cards at reasonable prices like mma? yes i do.
do i think that all of these things are to the detrement of boxing?
yes i do.

He took his beating from Cotto like a ****ing man...

i have to say that cotto is the man.

Not to take anything away from the mma guys because you have to have balls to step into the octagon,but lets be perfectly clear, If anyone here watched the Liddell silvia fight then you will notice that neither of these two guys have any Idea how to box. They both held their hands very low(I noticed Liddell does this In just about every fight)and they were both great at throwing wide looping wind mill like punches.Put them In the ring with a world class boxer and the result would be both of them trying to locate their teeth after they woke up.

what do you want to hear?
that i think modern boxing is a ****ing sham.? yes i do.
do i think that mma is far more genuine and interesting? yes i do.
do i think that boxing promoters are riping fans off? yes i do.
do i wish that boxing would actually give decent cards at reasonable prices like mma? yes i do.
do i think that all of these things are to the detrement of boxing?
yes i do.

then there is no real reason for you to be here, with your feelings on the subject as strong as they are, what reason do we have to be subjected to your posts which add nothing to a boxing discussion and in reality, dont even provide much insight into this MMA thread other than you ripping on everyone elses opinions in favor of your own.

i have to say that cotto is the man.

yea i love Cotto, was there for the Judah and Mosley fights.

U ever see Pavlik fight? youd probably like him as well. Search Taylor-Pavlik on youtube if u havent seen the highlights.

Pavlik is the guy littered in my avator and sig

what do you want to hear?
that i think modern boxing is a ****ing sham.? yes i do.
do i think that mma is far more genuine and interesting? yes i do.
do i think that boxing promoters are riping fans off? yes i do.
do i wish that boxing would actually give decent cards at reasonable prices like mma? yes i do.
do i think that all of these things are to the detrement of boxing?
yes i do.

Then why are you here? Bye.

then there is no real reason for you to be here, with your feelings on the subject as strong as they are, what reason do we have to be subjected to your posts which add nothing to a boxing discussion and in reality, dont even provide much insight into this MMA thread other than you ripping on everyone elses opinions in favor of your own.

there is one good reason for me to be here.
and it is this, a difference of opinion that creates debate and hopefully makes some of these things better, if we as fans of the sport demand more we will eventually get it.

then there is no real reason for you to be here, with your feelings on the subject as strong as they are, what reason do we have to be subjected to your posts which add nothing to a boxing discussion and in reality, dont even provide much insight into this MMA thread other than you ripping on everyone elses opinions in favor of your own.

Thank ****ing god. Amen, brother. Why are you here? Kball may like UFC but he doesn't diss boxing. He's a fan of both- fine. Many of us may not agree, we may dislike UFC, but we're not going to be an ass to him because he's an intelligent poster who adds to boxing discussions. What about you??

yea i love Cotto, was there for the Judah and Mosley fights.

U ever see Pavlik fight? youd probably like him as well. Search Taylor-Pavlik on youtube if u havent seen the highlights.

Pavlik is the guy littered in my avator and sig

i havent seen much of him, taylor (more dibella) is one of the reasons that i am really disenfranchised with boxing.

They don't know **** about boxing but they are fighting in MMA. They were both keeping their hands down to defend takedowns and leg/body kicks, but because there weren't many of those it looked like a glorified boxing brawl in a cage.

If either of them had kept hands up constantly he would've been taken down and low kicked for the whole match. You can't fight MMA like boxing.

But in this case because they both brawled it out a traditional boxer would've wiped the floor with both of them.
They should both straighten out their punches but in MMA you only need one good haymaker to put the other man out with those gloves.
That's why it was so cool to see both of them eat those shots like they were nothing.

And blockhead watch Pavlik and Cotto you might get into boxing again.

Ok,so why does a boxing site and forum wanna know that UFC was good,for again?

there is one good reason for me to be here.
and it is this, a difference of opinion that creates debate and hopefully makes some of these things better, if we as fans of the sport demand more we will eventually get it.

Yeah, you're right. I don't like Joe Rogan- why don't you call Dana White and tell him to fire that *****. Wait...what? You're just some ****er on a forum who really doesn't control anything that happens in UFC? What about this whole 'debate creates change'? Oh...you're really just an inconsequential fool wasting time of boxing fans under the ruse of making some sort of intellectual exchange when you spend most of your time dissing our sport and then having the balls to say "WE fans of the sport"? **** off.

Not to rag on UFC or anything, but i got a very good laugh out of them showing Many Moore and David Spade as their celebrities at the fights.

Not to rag on UFC or anything, but i got a very good laugh out of them showing Many Moore and David Spade as their celebrities at the fights.

that **** was hilarious.
david spade was so coked out i thought he was going to collapse.

i havent seen much of him, taylor (more dibella) is one of the reasons that i am really disenfranchised with boxing.

well then you will enjoy the very beggining of this video, which sums of the first half of '07.

Very short vid, please watch

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Silva: Darude - Sandstrom
Chuck: DMX - Intro


Thanx man!

well then you will enjoy the very beggining of this video, which sums of the first half of '07.

Very short vid, please watch

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nice, taylor never should have had that title. and cotto is just fun to watch.
i think he is the only boxer i would pay to watch now.

This is what ive been saying for a long time:

If had MADISON SQUARE GARDEN and you put a massive banner on the outside that said ONLY "BOXING," the truth is that you would sell very few tickets.

If you put a Massive banner that said "UFC" with no names, you'd sell a lot more tickets.

HOWEVER, if you put a Massive Banner outside MSG that said MIGUEL COTTO, youd sell a lot more tickets then a banner that said CHUCK LIDELL.

Cotto is just a bigger draw in NY, and has been promoted very well. Where as the Sport of UFC gets much better promotion then the fighter CHUCK LIDDELL, its the opposite for boxing.

This is what ive been saying for a long time:

If had MADISON SQUARE GARDEN and you put a massive banner on the outside that said ONLY "BOXING," the truth is that you would sell very few tickets.

If you put a Massive banner that said "UFC" with no names, you'd sell a lot more tickets.

HOWEVER, if you put a Massive Banner outside MSG that said MIGUEL COTTO, youd sell a lot more tickets then a banner that said CHUCK LIDELL.

Cotto is just a bigger draw in NY, and has been promoted very well. Where as the Sport of UFC gets much better promotion then the fighter CHUCK LIDDELL, its the opposite for boxing.

thats true, its weird, to me boxing is a much more introductory fan friendly sport where as mma seems more esoteric, but i guess the bloodlust gets them in the door.

the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years.



here you go my homie. hopefully you will actually check these links out and give an honest opinion rather than ignore and continue to use both Mayweather fights as the examples of "boring boxing" for 2007 like alot of the MMA followers I have show this too.

Here is what has been voted by Ring Magazine 2007 Fight of The Year and 2007 Round of the Year, 3rd Round.

Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Vazquez II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihnpaSJHKU

Here are a couple of links to footage of some of great fights in 2007. Only listed the footage that was the shortest because I'm sure the average diehard MMA fan and boxing detractor wont give it much attention.

Cordington/Bika
The Contender Finale which was in the running for FOY AND Round Of The Year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCuOqjboPxU

Donaire/Darchinian
Won KO of the Year, great story too, Darchi fought Donaire's brother the year before breaking his jaw and Donaire was able to avenge that incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48IDY61whtY

Nwodo/Wilson
Should have won KO of the year imo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS77moBJnTM&feature=related

Kirkland/Conyers
Was a contender for round of the year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsQfiGXv_-s

and theres still Pavlik/Taylor and Cotto/Judah. If you havent been watching Boxing recently, you're missing out.

I just get really annoyed when people say Boxing is dead or boring and when you ask them what the last fight they have seen is, they always point out a Mayweather fight and thats it. They really didnt watch any other fight. How can they even make that claim?

here you go my homie. hopefully you will actually check these links out and give an honest opinion rather than ignore and continue to use both Mayweather fights as the examples of "boring boxing" for 2007 like alot of the MMA followers I have show this too.

Here is what has been voted by Ring Magazine 2007 Fight of The Year and 2007 Round of the Year, 3rd Round.

Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Vazquez II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihnpaSJHKU

Here are a couple of links to footage of some of great fights in 2007. Only listed the footage that was the shortest because I'm sure the average diehard MMA fan and boxing detractor wont give it much attention.

Cordington/Bika
The Contender Finale which was in the running for FOY AND Round Of The Year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCuOqjboPxU

Donaire/Darchinian
Won KO of the Year, great story too, Darchi fought Donaire's brother the year before breaking his jaw and Donaire was able to avenge that incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48IDY61whtY

Nwodo/Wilson
Should have won KO of the year imo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS77moBJnTM&feature=related

Kirkland/Conyers
Was a contender for round of the year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsQfiGXv_-s

and theres still Pavlik/Taylor and Cotto/Judah. If you havent been watching Boxing recently, you're missing out.

that knockout of the year clip is ****ing dope, and i do like boxing but i have grown oddly fond of the other techniques that are legal in mma.
i guess i am just disgruntled by the big name fights.
there will always be really good fights but the ones that get the big billing are usually ****.

that knockout of the year clip is ****ing dope

I call that "The knock out heard around the world" because it was ****ing loud.


and i do like boxing but i have grown oddly fond of the other techniques that are legal in mma.
i guess i am just disgruntled by the big name fights.
there will always be really good fights but the ones that get the big billing are usually ****.

I feel the same way but competition stepped up in 2007 and things have changed. The only real boring fights were Mayweather/DLH and Hopkins/Wright. But i definitely understand where you are coming from.

the liddel vs silva fight and the st pierre vs hughes fights were both better than any boxing match i have seen in at least ten years.

Seriously, are you an idiot? I watch MMA very much, but the liddel and Silva fight was the most sloppiest form of fighting i'v ever seen. Two guys who would rather "box" than use any form of so called mma. That had to be the most sloppiest form of "boxing" I'v ever seen. Atleast the pierre and hughes match showed another form of fighting which I can respect. It still wasn't memorable by any means. And your idol Silva, the one you have a picture of has less intelligence of a drunk guy, for he doesn't know how to defend himself against someone that swings like a drunk guy.

good fight but the 30-27 for liddel is bs.Rounds 1 and 2 could have gone either way.only round 3 where it was clear that liddel won.I had it 29-28 for silva.No way was wandy going to win in chucks home by decision.
Dude are you ****in blind ? Liddell rocked Wandi at least 4 or 5 times and Wandi never hurt Liddell. Plus Liddell had 2 take downs. Learn about MMA before you go running your mouth trying to score an MMA match. This aint boxing foo !

GSP is crazy. He outwrestled the wrestler and has shown crazy skills in his career.

He is the best athlete for MMA to ever come across. What am onster.

The Liddell-Silva fight was cool, i mean it was just two guys punching eachother, really really amateurish, just picture two highschool kids in a back yard brawl, but entertaining to watch. The whole time im thinking, throw a jab because if either did it wouldve been a very easy fight. If they tried to fight any real boxer like that, im saying any boxer from 160 on up knocks them out within two rounds.

St.Pierre is a great athlete and dominated the whole fight. He trains with boxer Joachim Alcine, saw them sparring together on tv, so its good for the guy with the boxing connection to win, ha.

Every mmartist has a boxing coach you numbnut

I heard st. pierre and hughes was boring as **** with all the wrestiling (?)

Do you even watch boxing? Boxing is wayyyy more exciting.

Only idiotic boxing fans think GRAPPLING (not just wrestling involved) was boring.

Just like most people think 99 percent of Floyd fights are boring as ****.

GSP is probably one of the greatest athletes alive today. He put on a clinic on what Mixed Martial Arts is. He had striking, wrestling, judo, and finished with a submission.

It was one of the most dominant performances of all time.


As far as Silva Lidell. It was a good fight. Lidell lost the 2nd round, he got dropped and Silva connected more. Lidell one the first and dominated the third. You have to understand tho, both of those guys are old, they both went toe to toe. You can't compare it to boxing, it's a different style of fighting. Lidell does Hawain Kempo, Wanderlei fight Muay Thai. It might look sloppy compared to boxing, but thats the fighting style. It's effective because it utilizes elbows, knees and kicks.

UFC 79 was better then any boxing event I have seen in at least a decade, and thats coming from a fan of both sports.

I know GSP, and talked with him many times since he has gotten into the UFC. You have to understand. This kid didn't start seriously wrestling till he was 21 and has out wrestled some of the greatest NCAA wrestlers, America has produced that are in MMA. He could also, at will, make Team Canada and compete at the Olympics. He is a Black belt in Karate, a black belt in TKD, a brown belt in BJJ and has even shown glimpses of Judo.

You guys might think grappling is boring, but it's more exciting then striking for MANY people. It is complicated and takes an extremely intelligent person to pull off. You will never ever find a dumb grappler, the same can't be said for strikers.

Dude are you ****in blind ? Liddell rocked Wandi at least 4 or 5 times and Wandi never hurt Liddell. Plus Liddell had 2 take downs. Learn about MMA before you go running your mouth trying to score an MMA match. This aint boxing foo !

Wandy beat Chuck in the 2nd round, he landed more punches and dropped Chuck. Even Dana white said Chuck was rocked on ESPN radio. Most people who understand the sport gave it to Chuck 2 rounds to 1. I have watched the fight about 20 times.

Also for those people saying Chuck V Wandy was amateurish and garbage.

You can't fight MMA like boxing, period. If a boxer was in there against them, they would have kicked him to ****, put him in a Thai Clinch, kneed him to **** and taken him down.

Striking in MMA is different then boxing. You have to be looking out for take downs and KICKS all the ****ing time. In boxing you never worry about this, so keeping your hands up is how to protect your self. It's simply not the same in MMA. It might have looked sloppy to someone who doesn't understand the sport, but thats how you have to fight to be defensive in MMA.

If someone used the philly shell in MMA, they would be brutalized, destroyed and would look like an amateur MMA fighter. Just like if an MMA fighter used their defensive game in a boxing match.

The worst fight on the entire was was Sanchez Vs Sao. That should not have been there. THe only reason it was, was because Eddie essentially agreed to fight Mirko when Mirko came to the UFC and put himself in real danger. So the UFC tossed him a bone. You won't see that anymore, trust me.

GSP is crazy. He outwrestled the wrestler and has shown crazy skills in his career.

He is the best athlete for MMA to ever come across. What am onster.

I agree with you he probably is the best athlete in the UFC. I love watching the second Hughes fight becuase he shows just how athletic he is and how well rounded of a MMA fighter he is. Hopefully he gets he's rematch with Serra, beat his ass and then has a long stay as the champion in the UFC.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/595/ican7rpscmb1.jpg

And Pierre-Hughes was definetly boring as ****. All Wrestling, with a couple of good flurried by Pierre, and then he got Hughes's arm all twisted up and Hughes tapped out

it was boring but i guess if you know MMA u were impressed, and i dont know MMA.

Neither were anything remotely close to the entertainment of even a Marquez-Barrera type boxing match.

But to each his own i guess...


Ignorant statement. Just because you don't know anything MMA doesn't mean the fight was bad... your going to find the ground fighting boring if you dont watch MMA.

Its like some casual guy who watches a boxing match and *****es that there wasn't a KO. MMA and boxing have the same problems with casual viewers...in MMA if it hits the ground for more than a min everyone *****es...in boxing if there isn't a KO everyone *****es.

Also for those people saying Chuck V Wandy was amateurish and garbage.

You can't fight MMA like boxing, period. If a boxer was in there against them, they would have kicked him to ****, put him in a Thai Clinch, kneed him to **** and taken him down.

Striking in MMA is different then boxing. You have to be looking out for take downs and KICKS all the ****ing time. In boxing you never worry about this, so keeping your hands up is how to protect your self. It's simply not the same in MMA. It might have looked sloppy to someone who doesn't understand the sport, but thats how you have to fight to be defensive in MMA.

If someone used the philly shell in MMA, they would be brutalized, destroyed and would look like an amateur MMA fighter. Just like if an MMA fighter used their defensive game in a boxing match.

The worst fight on the entire was was Sanchez Vs Sao. That should not have been there. THe only reason it was, was because Eddie essentially agreed to fight Mirko when Mirko came to the UFC and put himself in real danger. So the UFC tossed him a bone. You won't see that anymore, trust me.

100% agree.

I can't believe anyone would ***** at the Silva Liddell fight. The was a fun fight to watch period...those guys bang away with 4 oz gloves and put it all out there. Give those guys credit.

Also that was a very good PPV card overall. You definitely get your moneys worth with that PPV. Its rare that I go to a house party for a boxing card and anyone pays attention to any fights except the main event...I have to give the UFC credit...they put on a good card....people actually watched all the fights with interest. (Except the crap Sanchez fight)

O.k. first off I did order the event and was not disappointed. I found the undercard a tad lacking but the double main event to be quite exciting. If you're strictly a boxing fan and can't appreciate the wrestling/ground game of MMA you should stick to boxing cause it's a big part of the sport. If all you want to see is stand up wouldn't it be a better idea to stick to boxing/kick boxing? I enjoy both sports but recognize them and appreciate them for what they are. Now truth be told I have seen some fights where yes the ground fighting is both boring and tought to watch. That being said I've also seen a thousand hug fests in boxing. I really can't understand why seeing some of the posts you'd even tune in to watch MMA if you can't appreciate that this is MIXED martial arts. Yes mixed this includes stand up like Mua Tai etc. and ground work like wrestling and BJJ for example. This is my first post yes but my friend J on here put me onto the site a long time ago and I have been a spectator watching numerous posts slamming MMA. Why not just stick to boxing and those forums? It's obvious there's enough fans of the sports here to recognize it as having it's own board but if all you're gonna do is hate why even post on here? This is directed at nobody or no post in particular but the overrall feel I get. Look forward to choppin' it up with yall though about both of the fine sports MMA AND boxing.