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ZZZzzz....... 12-14-2007, 10:58 PM how great could he have been?the guy was the youngest champ ever at 17 and the youngest three weight champ in history at 23.i've heard about his lack of training and focus,had he not been reckless,how much better could he have been?
even thou he wasn't a train lover he was so underrated he fought great competition and he has great boxing skillz i think he would of done alot more if it wasn't for the drugs.
ZZZzzz....... 12-14-2007, 11:38 PM even thou he wasn't a train lover he was so underrated he fought great competition and he has great boxing skillz i think he would of done alot more if it wasn't for the drugs.
dude i declare him the greatest pr fighter,i know i said ortiz than gomez,gomez was more complete,but what el radar did blows my mind.
dude i declare him the greatest pr fighter,i know i said ortiz than gomez,gomez was more complete,but what el radar did blows my mind.
i think his fight with hearns was a draw man.
ZZZzzz....... 12-15-2007, 01:32 AM i think his fight with hearns was a draw man.
bro,i didn't even realize he won three titles at three weight classes by the time he was 23.that's ridiculous.
Terry A 12-15-2007, 01:36 AM If he only had just a little more pop in his shots, he would really have been in the upper crust of the all time elite. His best assets were his supreme confidence in himself, in his ability & skills, and also his unbelievable talent defensive-wise. He was not called "Radar" for nothing.
I think part of the reason he lost his zeal for training was that his father Gregorio was so tuff and unrelenting on him that he took the fun and then his love out of boxing. Wilfredo still loved the glamor, fame and money that went with him fighting, but he equated boxing with the hassles his father put him thru. So he decided he would get by with minimal training and rely more on his inate talent then to put himself thru the rigors of having his dad hound him thru out training.
I don't believe he is ever given his rightful respect and due by most boxing fans. Only the real knowledgable & die hard fan recognizes his oodles of natural talent.
He is now in as bad a shape as Bobby Chacon. Very sad ending to a bonafide legend.
I wish him peace.
Sweet Pete 12-15-2007, 04:06 PM i think his fight with hearns was a draw man.
Are you serious? You don't get a draw by trying to survive for an entire fight and then coming on a bit late, while still getting outboxed.
Anyways, Benitez was one of the best defensive fighters of all time in terms of movement, in his prime, maybe the most skilled in fact in terms of head movement and slipping punches. His performance at 17 against Cervantes was awesome.
I don't consider him the best PR fighter ever though, didn't accompli9sh as much as someone like Ortiz or really even Trinidad.
Azteca 12-15-2007, 04:07 PM He cant hold Ortiz' jockstrap. Same with Wilfredo Gomez.
Other then, he's aight. He had some pretty crazy defensive skils ala Floyd Mayweather but more of a classic sense. I thought Hearns outboxed him.
ZZZzzz....... 12-15-2007, 04:38 PM Are you serious? You don't get a draw by trying to survive for an entire fight and then coming on a bit late, while still getting outboxed.
Anyways, Benitez was one of the best defensive fighters of all time in terms of movement, in his prime, maybe the most skilled in fact in terms of head movement and slipping punches. His performance at 17 against Cervantes was awesome.
I don't consider him the best PR fighter ever though, didn't accompli9sh as much as someone like Ortiz or really even Trinidad.
your joking about not accomplishing as much as trinidad or ortiz right?3 weight titlist by the ripe ol' age of 23.i think he's more accomplished then both.obviously ortiz and gomez are more complete because they had power with skills,but benitez's skills where so good he didn't really need it.
ZZZzzz....... 12-15-2007, 04:39 PM He cant hold Ortiz' jockstrap. Same with Wilfredo Gomez.
Other then, he's aight. He had some pretty crazy defensive skils ala Floyd Mayweather but more of a classic sense. I thought Hearns outboxed him.
i reitarate azteca,
3 weight champ by the ripe ol' age of 23.
Sweet Pete 12-15-2007, 05:00 PM your joking about not accomplishing as much as trinidad or ortiz right?3 weight titlist by the ripe ol' age of 23.i think he's more accomplished then both.obviously ortiz and gomez are more complete because they had power with skills,but benitez's skills where so good he didn't really need it.
Compare his wins resume to that of Ortiz or Trinidad. I'm not talking about titles, they can be easily downgraded, but who you beat can't often be, unless the opponent was past his prime or it was on a technicality.
benitez did had pop but he was better at being defensive just look at his fight with maurice hope.
ZZZzzz....... 12-15-2007, 05:05 PM Compare his wins resume to that of Ortiz or Trinidad. I'm not talking about titles, they can be easily downgraded, but who you beat can't often be, unless the opponent was past his prime or it was on a technicality.
well let's be honest the fight vs leonard was even till that last round.that fight was stop prematurely,and he beat duran.so.in my opinion you can take and pick at anything from any fighter.fact is what he did probably will never be done again.
Are you serious? You don't get a draw by trying to survive for an entire fight and then coming on a bit late, while still getting outboxed.
Anyways, Benitez was one of the best defensive fighters of all time in terms of movement, in his prime, maybe the most skilled in fact in terms of head movement and slipping punches. His performance at 17 against Cervantes was awesome.
I don't consider him the best PR fighter ever though, didn't accompli9sh as much as someone like Ortiz or really even Trinidad.
i don't really complain about that fight it was either a draw or a hearns victory im i agree even thou he was impressive by being a young champion he may not be the best from PR.
Sweet Pete 12-15-2007, 05:14 PM well let's be honest the fight vs leonard was even till that last round.that fight was stop prematurely,and he beat duran.so.in my opinion you can take and pick at anything from any fighter.fact is what he did probably will never be done again.He was past his prime by age 23, and did hardly anything else the rest of his career. He can't be rated that highly based on having a good few years. He beat Duran, that is a very good win, but otherwise, he lost to Leonard, and it was only close late, as Benitez started going for broke, as he was actually being outboxed for most of it. He lost to Hearns, beat Cervantes and Palomino. Very good fighter in his prime, but he didn't last, nor did he do enough throughout a full career to rank ahead of a guy like Ortiz.
ZZZzzz....... 12-15-2007, 05:17 PM He was past his prime by age 23, and did hardly anything else the rest of his career. He can't be rated that highly based on having a good few years. He beat Duran, that is a very good win, but otherwise, he lost to Leonard, and it was only close late, as Benitez started going for broke, as he was actually being outboxed for most of it. He lost to Hearns, beat Cervantes and Palomino. Very good fighter in his prime, but he didn't last, nor did he do enough throughout a full career to rank ahead of a guy like Ortiz.
as far as the leonard fight that's your opinion.it was even to me untill the ko,and as far as past his prime by the time he was 23,most likely so was tyson,and many people think he's an all timer in the upper echelon.
Sweet Pete 12-15-2007, 05:21 PM as far as the leonard fight that's your opinion.it was even to me untill the ko,and as far as past his prime by the time he was 23,most likely so was tyson,and many people think he's an all timer in the upper echelon.
Tyson actually accomplished a deal more when past his prime, and was quite a ways more dominant than Benitez in his prime. Either way though, Tyson is no top tier echelon ATG, some would argue he's not even a top 10 HW of all time. He is a top 10 HW in my book, but P4P? No way.
ZZZzzz....... 12-15-2007, 05:48 PM Tyson actually accomplished a deal more when past his prime, and was quite a ways more dominant than Benitez in his prime. Either way though, Tyson is no top tier echelon ATG, some would argue he's not even a top 10 HW of all time. He is a top 10 HW in my book, but P4P? No way.
you have to take into account benitez's brain damage as well at the age of 27.in my opinion it wasn't something that just showed up.anyway,those are my sentimental favorites.
BennyST 12-17-2007, 09:52 PM He cant hold Ortiz' jockstrap. Same with Wilfredo Gomez.
Other then, he's aight. He had some pretty crazy defensive skils ala Floyd Mayweather but more of a classic sense. I thought Hearns outboxed him.
Couldn't hold their jockstrap?! What!? Go through his career. He was easily as good as those guys. As good, not better. He was an amazing fighter who did amazing things. He beat some of the best competition ever!
Beat Cervantes for the LWW title then made some great defenses of it against top fighters like Emilliano Villa, Tony Petronelli.
Beat Carlos Palomino for the WW title and lost it Leonard. That was his first loss. Went on to beat Maurice Hope for the light Middleweight title defending that against many great fighters like Carlos Santos, Roberto Duran. Was then out-boxed by Hearns.
After Duran I think he thought he had done everything he could because after that he started losing to fighters he should have beat. Fought Hamsho whom he lost to and Davey Moore who was given a horrible beat-down by Duran only two fights earlier. Also lost to Matthew Hilton who was meant to be the next great fighter. His last decent win was against Paul Whittaker (20-0), I think his record was.
sterling 12-18-2007, 06:35 AM yeh great fighter i gta admit he was dam gd
grayfist 12-18-2007, 08:34 AM Benitez is one of the very, very few who, whenever they come up in conversations, are cited for what they could have accomplished as much as what they have actually accomplished, even though they have already accomplished a lot.
wmute 12-21-2007, 06:28 PM Benitez is my favorite PR fighter, I am not sure he is the best, as Gomez/Ortiz are pretty damn good. Maybe the best is Ortiz.
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