View Full Version : Whitaker v Floyd Mayweather


Ryn0
12-13-2007, 10:33 AM
I say Whitaker by Decision. One of only 3 people I'd pick to beat Floyd by Decision.

jack_the_rippuh
12-13-2007, 01:00 PM
Yeah right.
Floyd beats him.

Brockton Lip
12-13-2007, 01:06 PM
Whitaker beats him by Unanimous Decision.

Ironside
12-13-2007, 05:20 PM
Floyd is more complete, he wins a UD.

dadon5
12-13-2007, 08:03 PM
1000 time this thread been made

QuCongee
12-13-2007, 08:04 PM
You can't be serious.

Pick a weight, any weight. Whitaker by UD. Southpaw, Just as fast as Floyd, better movement, better defense, better all around skill.

An over the hill Whitaker took a prime De La Hoya to school. Floyd beat an over the hill De La Hoya by 1 point on 1 card.

Mayweather is ill but he's not Whitaker.

onetwopunch
12-17-2007, 03:29 AM
Whitacker, Whitacker will make him miss all night. In his prime Sweet Pea was no joke and Sweet Pea had power which alot of people really arent aware of when Sweet Pea really sat down on his punches he could bang.

Sweet Pete
12-17-2007, 05:03 PM
Yeah right.
Floyd beats him.

Awesome analysis. Way to counter his post.

Pea by UD.

Sweet Pete
12-17-2007, 05:04 PM
You can't be serious.

Pick a weight, any weight. Whitaker by UD. Southpaw, Just as fast as Floyd, better movement, better defense, better all around skill.

An over the hill Whitaker took a prime De La Hoya to school. Floyd beat an over the hill De La Hoya by 1 point on 1 card.

Mayweather is ill but he's not Whitaker.Well your analysis is quite a bit off, but I agree with the overall point.

Burning Desire
12-17-2007, 05:07 PM
Im not sure about this match up, Mayweather hits harder, Whitaker has better reflexes, both have superb defense, both have superb jabs, i can't split em and it makes it even harder when they both my All Time favorites i would say a draw.

wmute
12-21-2007, 07:36 PM
At this point I would go with Mayweather.

Simply put, if the fight is in Whitaker comfort zone, then it would be a close fight with Whitaker VERY possibly coming out on top.

On the other hand Mayweather has shown by know that he has plan a,b,c,d,... and so on. Not saying that Whitaker can fight only one fight, but Mayweather's versatility is simply amazing.

So my money goes on Mayweather (also because judges were never in love with pea anyways)

slicksouthpaw16
12-21-2007, 10:25 PM
prime sweat pea at lightweight beats Floyd. Floyd at welterweight beats pea.

flat1985
12-23-2007, 10:41 AM
Floyd by sd

Silencers
12-23-2007, 12:55 PM
Whitaker beats Mayweather by UD.

Sweet Pete
12-24-2007, 01:21 PM
At this point I would go with Mayweather.

Simply put, if the fight is in Whitaker comfort zone, then it would be a close fight with Whitaker VERY possibly coming out on top.

On the other hand Mayweather has shown by know that he has plan a,b,c,d,... and so on. Not saying that Whitaker can fight only one fight, but Mayweather's versatility is simply amazing.

So my money goes on Mayweather (also because judges were never in love with pea anyways)We're asking for your opinion on who wins, not the make believe judges, that is irrelevant.

Mayweather has great adaptability yes, but here's where they differ and where people get the false impression that Floyd was more complete, whereas I say Pea is just a step ahead.

Floyd is often losing a tough fight early because he is unable to fight right off the bat at that style, often he is able to adapt though, which is what makes him so good. Pea on the other hand, never needed to adapt, he could fight at any range vs any style right off the bat, which is why he handled someone like Chavez so easily straight from the get go, which I SERIOUSLY doubt would've happened with Floyd. Pea gives Floyd trouble in many areas early on(southpaw, jab, workrate, to go along with other assets at least matching Floyd like defense and speed), and is therefore up by a decent bit around the midway point when Mayweather starts to adapt and make things a bit more interesting.

Either way, he loses the decision the way I see it, though the second half is closer, based on their history and fighting styles.

wmute
12-25-2007, 05:14 PM
We're asking for your opinion on who wins, not the make believe judges, that is irrelevant.

Mayweather has great adaptability yes, but here's where they differ and where people get the false impression that Floyd was more complete, whereas I say Pea is just a step ahead.

Floyd is often losing a tough fight early because he is unable to fight right off the bat at that style, often he is able to adapt though, which is what makes him so good. Pea on the other hand, never needed to adapt, he could fight at any range vs any style right off the bat, which is why he handled someone like Chavez so easily straight from the get go, which I SERIOUSLY doubt would've happened with Floyd. Pea gives Floyd trouble in many areas early on(southpaw, jab, workrate, to go along with other assets at least matching Floyd like defense and speed), and is therefore up by a decent bit around the midway point when Mayweather starts to adapt and make things a bit more interesting.

Either way, he loses the decision the way I see it, though the second half is closer, based on their history and fighting styles.

We'll have to agree on disagreeing.

IMO, when it comes to fighting Mayweather, not needing to make adjustments for most of his career is going to be very bad for Pea. Simply put neither of them faced anyone quite like the other, and when two great fighters face off, I usually go with versatility.

Clearly Whitaker poses plenty of trouble for anyone, not just for Maywether. Workrate is not one of those, though, because when Mayweather does not need to worry about big punching power (Oscar) he usually matches his opponents punch for punch in terms of workrate.

As for the judges being irrelevant, this fight is most likely going to be close and hard to score, so judges will matter, and both fighters history in close fights seems to me a relevant issue.

Sweet Pete
12-25-2007, 05:21 PM
We'll have to agree on disagreeing.

IMO, when it comes to fighting Mayweather, not needing to make adjustments for most of his career is going to be very bad for Pea. Simply put neither of them faced anyone quite like the other, and when two great fighters face off, I usually go with versatility.

Clearly Whitaker poses plenty of trouble for anyone, not just for Maywether. Workrate is not one of those, though, because when Mayweather does not need to worry about big punching power (Oscar) he usually matches his opponents punch for punch in terms of workrate.

As for the judges being irrelevant, this fight is most likely going to be close and hard to score, so judges will matter, and both fighters history in close fights seems to me a relevant issue.I was saying imaginary judges don't matter because this fight will never happen. Who do YOU think personally would win if you were the judge is the question.

As for the highlighted line, that is why I go with Whitaker. He has the skills of Mayweather from the get-go, never needing time to adapt, switch up, and lose rounds in the process, as i pointed out earlier.

Precision
12-26-2007, 12:24 PM
mayweather by close decision

wmute
12-26-2007, 12:32 PM
I was saying imaginary judges don't matter because this fight will never happen. Who do YOU think personally would win if you were the judge is the question.

As for the highlighted line, that is why I go with Whitaker. He has the skills of Mayweather from the get-go, never needing time to adapt, switch up, and lose rounds in the process, as i pointed out earlier.

gotcha.

basically

You believe that Pea will build too much of a lead in the first part of the fight.

I believe Mayweather will win too many rounds in the second part of the fight.

kayjay
12-26-2007, 12:59 PM
You can't be serious.

Pick a weight, any weight. Whitaker by UD. Southpaw, Just as fast as Floyd, better movement, better defense, better all around skill.

An over the hill Whitaker took a prime De La Hoya to school. Floyd beat an over the hill De La Hoya by 1 point on 1 card.

Mayweather is ill but he's not Whitaker.

Whitaker lost a very wide decision to Oscar. To school? Are you serious?

Floyd beat an older Oscar but did so very cleanly

slicksouthpaw16
12-26-2007, 01:12 PM
Whitaker lost a very wide decision to Oscar. To school? Are you serious?

Floyd beat an older Oscar but did so very cleanly

yeah right,

Whitaker landed the most shots and was dictating the pace. Oscar got out boxed and was was fighting sweat pea's fight. for some reason the judges didn't like Pea. they robbed him in the Jose Luis Ramirez fight, the Chavez draw, and the Oscar fight. he really beat Oscar and was well past his prime when he did it. thats the greatness of sweet pea.

Sweet Pete
12-26-2007, 01:25 PM
Whitaker lost a very wide decision to Oscar. To school? Are you serious?

Floyd beat an older Oscar but did so very cleanly
Have you actually watched Pea's fight with Oscar or are you just looking at the scorecards? Pea KD'd Oscar in a later round, and the judges were so biased and very possibly paid off that I believe they all scored the round even so as to not give Pea any rounds. They were scoring decent for the first half of the fight, their scorecards for the second half are all nearly identical, with Pea losing every single round, which is complete and total bullshit.

I scored it for Pea by two points. He threw more, landed more, landed at a higher precentage rate, dropped Oscar, and made him miss to an embarassing degree. Oscar threw more power shots, most of them missing. Pea also dictated the pace of the fight. He deserved the win. And again, this was an old Pea against a prime Oscar, as opposed to an Old Oscar vs a prime Mayweather.

kayjay
12-26-2007, 01:33 PM
Have you actually watched Pea's fight with Oscar or are you just looking at the scorecards? Pea KD'd Oscar in a later round, and the judges were so biased and very possibly paid off that I believe they all scored the round even so as to not give Pea any rounds.They were scoring decent for the first half of the fight, their scorecards for the second half are all nearly identical, with Pea losing every single round, which is complete and total bullshit.

I scored it for Pea by two points. He threw more, landed more, landed at a higher precentage rate, dropped Oscar, and made him miss to an embarassing degree. Oscar threw more power shots, most of them missing. Pea also dictated the pace of the fight. He deserved the win. And again, this was an old Pea against a prime Oscar, as opposed to an Old Oscar vs a prime Mayweather.

Oscar won that fight. Ten years later an internet rumor begins that it was a robbery, when it wasn't even contestable

Sweet Pete
12-26-2007, 01:42 PM
Oscar won that fight. Ten years later an internet rumor begins that it was a robbery, when it wasn't even contestable

LOL, an internet rumor? I believe Larry Merchant and many others were contesting it as soon as it happened, though Merchant didn't say it outright.

Again, I don't get how a match when the loser lands more, throws more, lands at a higher percentage, dictates the pace of the fight, KD's the winner, and clowns the winner all night is not contestable. Seems a bit odd to me.

I suppose an internet rumor started the theory that Pea was robbed of the win against Chavez too, eh?

slicksouthpaw16
12-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Oscar won that fight. Ten years later an internet rumor begins that it was a robbery, when it wasn't even contestable

see for yourself,

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TheManchine
12-26-2007, 02:46 PM
Part 1 (www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFV7B4ZYTPQ)
Part 2 (www.youtube.com/watch?v=atONMjfkxso)
Here's a good vid about the Whitaker vs De La Hoya match.
Lampley and Merchant discuss the fight with De La Hoya and Whitaker

The look on Whitaker's face when Buffer announces the decision is priceless.

Sweet Pete
12-26-2007, 02:49 PM
see for yourself,

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LOL, I love how Lampley goes wild for Oscar when Whitaker dodges every single punch he threw in that one combo. He did that on moire than just the one combo as well, that happened a few times.

The big factors for Oscar in the fight were the fans and the reaction he got every time he hit air. As long as he threw, the crowd went wild, and so did Lampley. Not realizing he was missing badly.

slicksouthpaw16
12-26-2007, 02:57 PM
LOL, I love how Lampley goes wild for Oscar when Whitaker dodges every single punch he threw in that one combo. He did that on moire than just the one combo as well, that happened a few times.

The big factors for Oscar in the fight were the fans and the reaction he got every time he hit air. As long as he threw, the crowd went wild, and so did Lampley. Not realizing he was missing badly.

Exactly, even though he missed and was hitiing nothing but air, the crowd reacted like he was landing, which impressed the judges. and i noticed that in the Oscar/Mayweather fight too. when Oscar would do something little like land a little shot or make Floyd miss, the crowd over reacted and it won Oscar those rounds. i had Floyd winning by 2 points.

Azteca
12-26-2007, 03:05 PM
I got Whitaker.

Will Whitaker's punch output drop against Mayweather? Most likely, Floyd doesn't like to engage unless forced to and he likes the quick pot shot in and out routine.

I personally think that style won't work on Whitaker because unlike the rest of Floyd's opponents, Pea has the defensive ability to make those quick single shots miss. If Mayweather can't hit him with single shots, which I suspect he won't be able to, Floyd will be in big trouble in the fight. If Whitaker can't hit Mayweather with single shots he'll probably still find a way to do it by doing what he does best, throwing in combination.

Maybe not as frequently as he would against others, but enough to win most rounds.

Sweet Pete
12-26-2007, 03:13 PM
I got Whitaker.

Will Whitaker's punch output drop against Mayweather? Most likely, Floyd doesn't like to engage unless forced to and he likes the quick pot shot in and out routine.

I personally think that style won't work on Whitaker because unlike the rest of Floyd's opponents, Pea has the defensive ability to make those quick single shots miss. If Mayweather can't hit him with single shots, which I suspect he won't be able to, Floyd will be in big trouble in the fight. If Whitaker can't hit Mayweather with single shots he'll probably still find a way to do it by doing what he does best, throwing in combination.

Maybe not as frequently as he would against others, but enough to win most rounds.Good analysis, fair from both perspectives, makes sense. What article did you copy and paste it from?

Azteca
12-26-2007, 03:23 PM
Good analysis, fair from both perspectives, makes sense. What article did you copy and paste it from?

It's called The Brain by the famous auther "Medulla Oblongota".

You should look him up.

Sweet Pete
12-26-2007, 03:34 PM
It's called The Brain by the famous auther "Medulla Oblongota".

You should look him up.
That's quite a brain, tell it though, despite it's amazing intelligence, that the word is spelled "author".

Thanks.

dadon5
12-26-2007, 04:04 PM
floyd Mayweatherrrrrrr

titoi
12-26-2007, 11:15 PM
Very tough fight to call. PBF has adaptability and an incredible level of fitness that could have him winning the late rounds. Pea has an intrinsic meanness that can't be overlooked on top of his remarkable ring intelligence. I think I'd go with the guy who said Pea at lightweight and PBF at welter, but it's really a toss-up. It would very likely go to the cards and then as mute said it might be about who was friendlier with the judges... :question: :confused: