im picking Klitchko in this one by late KO. Vitali has a concreit chin and could take Foreman's shots. I think Vitali would keep George at bay with his left jab and set him up with right hands and left hooks all night. I think George would have his moments, but i see Vitali prevailing in this one. hes too skillful for George IMO. Vitali is even bigger than George. 6'8 and over 240 lbs. If Vitali didn't have brittle hands, he would definatley be dominate today.

I'm picking Big george by brutal KO early on, George would bomb him out as soon as he landed on the button.
Wlad couldnt take Georges shots.

I'm picking Big george by brutal KO early on, George would bomb him out as soon as he landed on the button.
Wlad couldnt take Georges shots.

i said Vitali :)

lmao my bad sorry, i'd still pick him to KO Vitali tho.

foreman would throw the whole kitchen grill at him .ko.

i agree with slicksouthpaw. foreman was an amazing fighter, but he would be succeptable to vitali's constant jabs until he nails those rights to seal the deal

Foreman KO's Vitali IMO.

Foreman would put Klitchko in a wicked pine box, ready to go, UPS, Russia, EU! Klitchko has never faced as brutal a puncher as George and if Klitchko quits with a broken, I mean sore hand like he did against Byrd, what chance does he stand against Foreman's Sledgehammer???

brittley quitschko can only beat contenders if they are old, fat, or old and fat. so maybe quitali can beat the old version of foreman who was fat, but foreman was in shape in his early 40s, he was just fat. not like kirk johnson or corrie sanders who were in poor shape when overweight.

Foreman would put Klitchko in a wicked pine box, ready to go, UPS, Russia, EU! Klitchko has never faced as brutal a puncher as George and if Klitchko quits with a broken, I mean sore hand like he did against Byrd, what chance does he stand against Foreman's Sledgehammer???

did Vitali quit against Lewis? no. Vitali has never quit because of losing a fight, only broken hands. a Vitali who does not have any injuries Ko's Foreman IMO. and Sander's has dynamite in his hands and Vitali was not fased by his shots, as well as Lewis. Foreman wouldn't even get close to Vitali because Vitali would keep his distance and pick Foreman apart from the outside. Foreman was too stiff when he was in his prime. you can't be stiff when facing an all around fighter like Vitali.

did Vitali quit against Lewis? no. Vitali has never quit because of losing a fight, only broken hands. a Vitali who does not have any injuries Ko's Foreman IMO. and Sander's has dynamite in his hands and Vitali was not fased by his shots, as well as Lewis. Foreman wouldn't even get close to Vitali because Vitali would keep his distance and pick Foreman apart from the outside. Foreman was too stiff when he was in his prime. you can't be stiff when facing an all around fighter like Vitali.

Sanders did not get the chance to hit him with flush shots, he wasn't as powerful as Foreman anyway. Lewis had Vitali out on his feet several times by single punches. A prime Foreman would definitely follow up.

And Foreman would get close enough to hit him. Do you know how good Foreman was at cutting off the ring? And besides, Klitchko is no Boxer that fights backwards on his toes. His stance just made him space, and his strength in the clinches helped him out as well. Big George was the physically strongest fighter ever in the clinches, he would push Vitali off, fire shots, hit him with uppercuts on the inside etc. Foreman would get hit in return at times, but he would prevail IMO.

Sanders did not get the chance to hit him with flush shots, he wasn't as powerful as Foreman anyway. Lewis had Vitali out on his feet several times by single punches. A prime Foreman would definitely follow up.

And Foreman would get close enough to hit him. Do you know how good Foreman was at cutting off the ring? And besides, Klitchko is no Boxer that fights backwards on his toes. His stance just made him space, and his strength in the clinches helped him out as well. Big George was the physically strongest fighter ever in the clinches, he would push Vitali off, fire shots, hit him with uppercuts on the inside etc. Foreman would get hit in return at times, but he would prevail IMO.

i understand where you are coming from, but prime Foreman was a fighter that did not like to get hit by hard punchers. you are talking about a fighter who was knocked down and was out on his feet several times against Ron Lyle. Vitali, a more skillfull, bigger, and better boxer would be too much for george to handle. and so what if Lewis rocked Vitali, Foreman is no where ever a great pure boxer like Lewis is. Lewis hit Vitali because he is a great pure boxer. and besides, Vitali was ahead at the time of the stoppage on cuts. Foreman was stiff and hesitant when was in his prime. he mainly only threw the stiff left jab followed by the big right over and over again. you need more than that in your arsenal when fighting someone bigger, possibly stronger, quicker, and hits hard himself. and how would Foreman push Vitali off and fire shots on the inside? Foreman wouldn't even get close to Vitali in order for him to do that. Vitali would keep his range and fire left jabs from the outside to keep George in check, then comes the hooks and right hands. and what convinces you think he would be stronger than Vitali? since when has Foreman fought anyone near a 6'8, over 240 lbs russian recking ball with power in both hands and boxing skill as well? and if Foreman did land, its not like Vitali would go from one shot, Vitali has a very good chin.

If foreman could back vitali up he would win. Vitali has got a good chin but he was hurt against sanders and lewis. Foreman also has a good jab him self and could cut of the ring well i feel that foreman would KO vitali in 6 rounds if it lasts longer maybe vitali has a chance.

did Vitali quit against Lewis? no. Vitali has never quit because of losing a fight, only broken hands. a Vitali who does not have any injuries Ko's Foreman IMO. and Sander's has dynamite in his hands and Vitali was not fased by his shots, as well as Lewis. Foreman wouldn't even get close to Vitali because Vitali would keep his distance and pick Foreman apart from the outside. Foreman was too stiff when he was in his prime. you can't be stiff when facing an all around fighter like Vitali.

It surprised the hell out of me Vitali actually continued to fight against Lewis with a busted eye! I give him props for that, his eye was really f***ed up and yet he still wanted to go! He still showed there's a quitters side to him against Byrd.

It surprised the hell out of me Vitali actually continued to fight against Lewis with a busted eye! I give him props for that, his eye was really f***ed up and yet he still wanted to go! He still showed there's a quitters side to him against Byrd.

the Byrd fight was before the Lewis fight. after the Byrd fight, he promised not to ever quit again.

George by KO in the 2nd.

I like prime Foreman and would favor him against any great swarmer in history but matching up well against either Klitschko brother is something I don't see happening. He has the super punchers chance of course but the odds are stacked too high against him. In this instance; Vitali is bigger, quicker, craftier, as durable as they get when not injured, most likely better conditioned than the easily gassed Foreman of the 70s, and most importantly has the power to knock George out. Vitali works the jab, picks his spots, protects himself well, and stops an exhausted George in the middle rounds.

Vitali quit the byrd fight complaining of pain in the shoulder, not the hands. Although i wouldnt blame him IF he complained of his hands hurting. I dunno how someone wouldn't if they hit that hard

foreman by tko in the 10th round.

I like prime Foreman and would favor him against any great swarmer in history but matching up well against either Klitschko brother is something I don't see happening. He has the super punchers chance of course but the odds are stacked too high against him. In this instance; Vitali is bigger, quicker, craftier, as durable as they get when not injured, most likely better conditioned than the easily gassed Foreman of the 70s, and most importantly has the power to knock George out. Vitali works the jab, picks his spots, protects himself well, and stops an exhausted George in the middle rounds.

i agree. thats exactly what im thinking

This is a no brainer: Foreman by KO. I like Vitali but I'm sorry he just wasn't in Foreman's class as a fighter. Foreman is an ATG for God's sake: The closest Vitili is getting to an All-Time Great list is when he buys an issue of ring magazine. Someone wrote that Vitili was quicker and craftier than George. How do you figure that? Vitili was as slow and clumsy a champion as I've ever seen, and I like guy. So please, keep Vitili in proper perspective: He was a good but NOT great Heavyweight.

PS. I know some people are singing his accolades because they're obsessed with size and think any fighter that came before 2000 automatically sucked. These pea brained nit wits need to grow up and grow some perspective.

Poet

This is a no brainer: Foreman by KO. I like Vitali but I'm sorry he just wasn't in Foreman's class as a fighter. Foreman is an ATG for God's sake: The closest Vitili is getting to an All-Time Great list is when he buys an issue of ring magazine. Someone wrote that Vitili was quicker and craftier than George. How do you figure that? Vitili was as slow and clumsy a champion as I've ever seen, and I like guy. So please, keep Vitili in proper perspective: He was a good but NOT great Heavyweight.

PS. I know some people are singing his accolades because they're obsessed with size and think any fighter that came before 2000 automatically sucked. These pea brained nit wits need to grow up and grow some perspective.

Poet

you need to be quiet unless you actually get into detail about how George would win instead of just talking BS and being biased. this is one of the most disrepectful posts i have ever seen towards a fighter. do us all a favor and watch more fights, especially this one of Vitali. he was a force to be reckoned with. unlike you, we actually got into detail and didn't talk shit.

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you need to be quiet unless you actually get into detail about how George would win instead of just talking BS and being biased. this is one of the most disrepectful posts i have ever seen towards a fighter. do us all a favor and watch more fights, especially this one of Vitali.

Poet will never, and I mean never..recognize a newer fighter as a great or someone with potential.

you need to be quiet unless you actually get into detail about how George would win instead of just talking BS and being biased. this is one of the most disrepectful posts i have ever seen towards a fighter. do us all a favor and watch more fights, especially this one of Vitali. he was a force to be reckoned with. unlike you, we actually got into detail and didn't talk shit.

pXQPwyaY604

Actually, saying Klitschko would beat Foreman IS talking shit. Namely, if that's your opinion it's shit. Try watching some of Foreman's fights, and I don't mean the old, fat, bald Foreman either. I mean the Foreman who bounced Frazier around the ring like a basketball. Want specifics on Vitili? How about he's slow, ponderous, robotic, and EXTREMELY easy to hit. Foreman would tear through him like a buzzsaw. Did Vitili win his belt in the ring? No. He was handed the title when Lennox retired. Exactly who has Vitili beaten? Is there a Frazier on his resume? A Norton? A Lyle? No. Did Foreman quit on his stool against Chris Byrd? No again. George Foreman makes practically every non-ignorant person short list of all-time greats. Vitili? At best he is a near great and that's pushing it. More realistically he was an above average fighter who lucked into a belt when his dominate predecessor retired.

Poet

Actually, saying Klitschko would beat Foreman IS talking shit. Namely, if that's your opinion it's shit. Try watching some of Foreman's fights, and I don't mean the old, fat, bald Foreman either. I mean the Foreman who bounced Frazier around the ring like a basketball. Want specifics on Vitili? How about he's slow, ponderous, robotic, and EXTREMELY easy to hit. Foreman would tear through him like a buzzsaw. Did Vitili win his belt in the ring? No. He was handed the title when Lennox retired. Exactly who has Vitili beaten? Is there a Frazier on his resume? A Norton? A Lyle? No. Did Foreman quit on his stool against Chris Byrd? No again. George Foreman makes practically every non-ignorant person short list of all-time greats. Vitili? At best he is a near great and that's pushing it. More realistically he was an above average fighter who lucked into a belt when his dominate predecessor retired.

Poet

again you don't get into any detail about how George would win. thats how i know that you know that George would lose. you have nothing. How would a prime hesitant George cope with an elusive 6'8 recking ball with power in both fist? George was one demensional when he was in his prme, he mainly only threw the stiff left jab followed by the big right hand all the time. plus he had terrible stamina. Vitali would keep George at the end of his shots and pick him apart from the outside and stop George while he faded mid to late rounds. i give detail and facts, and the best you can come up with is that Vitali quits? he has only quit one time and that was when he was well ahead on the scorecards and injured his hand or shoulder. after that fight, he promised not to ever quit again. and the Lewis fight was stopped on cuts and he was ahead on the scorecards in that fight as well. he has never really loss a fight fairly without it being a TKO because of his body. not only is this man a giant, but he is a giant with great boxing skills and power. Foreman was about to go against Ron Lyle and Lyle was never even a great fighter. i would pick Vitali to beat Frazier as well. Frazier is Taylor made for Vitali. and i have seen all of Foreman's fights throughout his whole career. he has always had trouble with pure boxers with power. Vital would stop George and there is no doubt in MY mind. you are entitled to your own opinion but don't talk shit and disrespect champions that you know nothing about.

again you don't get into any detail about how George would win. thats how i know that you know that George would lose. you have nothing. How would a prime hesitant George cope with an elusive 6'8 recking ball with power in both fist? George was one demensional when he was in his prme, he mainly only threw the stiff left jab followed by the big right hand all the time. plus he had terrible stamina. Vitali would keep George at the end of his shots and pick him apart from the outside and stop George while he faded mid to late rounds. i give detail and facts, and the best you can come up with is that Vitali quits? he has only quit one time and that was when he was well ahead on the scorecards and injured his hand or shoulder. after that fight, he promised not to ever quit again. and the Lewis fight was stopped on cuts and he was ahead on the scorecards in that fight as well. he has never really loss a fight fairly without it being a TKO because of his body. not only is this man a giant, but he is a giant with great boxing skills and power. Foreman was about to go against Ron Lyle and Lyle was never even a great fighter. i would pick Vitali to beat Frazier as well. Frazier is Taylor made for Vitali. and i have seen all of Foreman's fights throughout his whole career. he has always had trouble with pure boxers with power. Vital would stop George and there is no doubt in MY mind. you are entitled to your own opinion but don't talk shit and disrespect champions that you know nothing about.

You're smoking crack if you think Vitili is mobile: He is NO boxer. He's a puncher pure and simple and a clumsy one at that. Want to know how Foreman beats Klitschko? He walks right through Vitili's punches and bombs the phuck out him. Vitili's defense is amatuerish at best (remember easy to hit from my prior post?) and since he's about as mobile as a statue running isn't an option. No way Klitschko could hold up under the punches Foreman would land, maybe one punch won't do it but that shit adds up and Vitili is garanteed to eat a butt-load George's best punches. You bring up the Lyle fight? Woulda, shoulda, coulda. George WOULDA been knocked out, and SHOULDA lost to Lyle, if only Lyle COULDA done what only Ali had done. In other words George would have been KOed by Lyle except he got back and KOed Lyle. Dumb argument nimrod. Is that the best you can do? Practically EVERYONE who knows the least bit about boxing says Foreman was the harder puncher of the two. Foreman we know had a great chin, it was tested many times. Klitschko can make no claim for a great chin: It was never tested and for all we know it could be as weak as Wlad's. You make it sound like it was a certainty Vitili was going to beat Lennox if it wasn't for that pesky cut. Well, cuts are part of the game and if you're prone to them then that's a weakness. More to the point, Lennox had already turned the fight and was taking over by the time of the stoppage. The most likely result without the cut? Lewis by late TKO.

Before you start threads and make rediculous assertions you should at very least get a little bit of boxing knowledge. Making Vitili out to be a slick boxer when in truth he was the most robotic fighter I've ever seen is a sign of boxing ignorance on your part. Get a clue dude.

Poet

You're smoking crack if you think Vitili is mobile: He is NO boxer. He's a puncher pure and simple and a clumsy one at that. Want to know how Foreman beats Klitschko? He walks right through Vitili's punches and bombs the phuck out him. Vitili's defense is amatuerish at best (remember easy to hit from my prior post?) and since he's about as mobile as a statue running isn't an option. No way Klitschko could hold up under the punches Foreman would land, maybe one punch won't do it but that shit adds up and Vitili is garanteed to eat a butt-load George's best punches. You bring up the Lyle fight? Woulda, shoulda, coulda. George WOULDA been knocked out, and SHOULDA lost to Lyle, if only Lyle COULDA done what only Ali had done. In other words George would have been KOed by Lyle except he got back and KOed Lyle. Dumb argument nimrod. Is that the best you can do? Practically EVERYONE who knows the least bit about boxing says Foreman was the harder puncher of the two. Foreman we know had a great chin, it was tested many times. Klitschko can make no claim for a great chin: It was never tested and for all we know it could be as weak as Wlad's. You make it sound like it was a certainty Vitili was going to beat Lennox if it wasn't for that pesky cut. Well, cuts are part of the game and if you're prone to them then that's a weakness. More to the point, Lennox had already turned the fight and was taking over by the time of the stoppage. The most likely result without the cut? Lewis by late TKO.

Before you start threads and make rediculous assertions you should at very least get a little bit of boxing knowledge. Making Vitili out to be a slick boxer when in truth he was the most robotic fighter I've ever seen is a sign of boxing ignorance on your part. Get a clue dude.

Poet

you are now exposed as a joke poet. you fill an entire post filled with desrespectful comments and show a huge lack of boxing knowledge. and please tell me, since when have you known prime George to walk through any power punchers shots? he was knocked out out by Ali when Ali was waaaaaay past his prime and slow. prime George showed in that fight that he was a front runner. if you could hang in there and take his shots, he would get tired and get knocked out. Through all of the power puncher's that Vitali fought, tell one of them that actually had Vitali ready to go? Vitali has a concreit chin and could take Foreman's shots. Sanders and Lewis both have dynamite in thier fists and didn't faze Vitali. matter of fact, Foreman would rarely connect to Vitali's chin becuase Vitali is such a masterful pure boxer. He actually taught his brother Wlad everything that he knows. you need to do research before you come online acting like you know everything because you surely don't. and watch the Lewis fight again, Vitali was gaining momentum and was dictating the pace at the time of the stoppage. there is no doubt in my mind that he would have beaten Lewis. and how was Vitali slow? name me one fight where Vitali was slow in? he was out boxing one of the best pure boxing heavyweights (Chris Byrd) of our time before his shoulder gave in. and where did i say that Vitali hits harder than Foreman? i see that you are putting words in my mouth to make yourself seem smarter, which isnt working. i am a very experienced poster/debater and know a lot of boxing. there is nothing that you can tell me that i don't already know. i am trying to educate you here kid. you have nothing to offer but childish insults and BS. that whole post that you wrote was filled with 5% detail and 95% insults on Vitali and me. stick to the topic and lets have a mature debate.

you are now exposed as a joke poet. you fill an entire post filled with desrespectful comments and show a huge lack of boxing knowledge. and please tell me, since when have you known prime George to walk through any power punchers shots? he was knockout out by Ali when Ali was waaaaaay past his prime and slow. prime George showed in that fight that he was a front runner. if you could hang in there and take his shots, he would get tired and get knocked out. Through all of the power puncher's that Vitali fought, tell one of them that actually had Vitali ready to go? Vitali has a concreit chin and could take Foreman's shots. Sanders and Lewis both have dynamite in thier fists and didn't faze Vitali. matter of fact, Foreman would rarely connect to Vitali's chin becuase Vitali is such a masterful pure boxer. He actually taught his brother Wlad everything that he knows. you need to do research before you come online acting like you know everything because you surely don't. and watch the Lewis fight again, Vitali was gaining momentum and was dictating the pace at the time of he stoppage. there is no doubt in my mind that he would have beaten Lewis. and how was Vitali slow? name me one fight where Vitali was slow in? he was out boxing one of the best pure boxing heavyweights (Chris Byrd) of our time before his shoulder gave in. and where did i say that Vitali hits harder than Foreman? i see that you are putting words in my mouth to make yourself seem smarter, which isnt working. i am a very experienced poster/debater and know a lot of boxing. there is nothing that you can tell me that i don't already know. i am trying to educate you here kid. you have nothing to offer but childish insults and BS. that whole post that you wrote was filled with 10% detail and 90% insults on Vitali and me. stick to the topic and lets have a mature debate.

This last post of yours exposes your complete lack of credibility and boxing knowledge. Nobody with ANY knowledge of boxing whatsoever could say "Foreman would rarely connect to Vitali's chin becuase Vitali is such a masterful pure boxer". That statement right there exposes you as a fraud. Now, Junior, I have probably been watching boxing since before you were born. So if you think you're dealing with a kid please think again. How can anyone with any degree of boxing knowledge claim Foreman never walked though a power hitter's shots? Ever heard of Joe Frazier? Frazier had one punch power Junior and Foreman didn't blink when Frazier hit him. Nuff said!

You seem to think that your gratuitous assertions should pass as details and facts. No, no Junior. It doesn't work like that. Any gratuitous assertion may be equally gratuitously denied. Get an education Son, it's clear you need it. There is certainly nothing YOU could possibly educate me on: I've forgotten more about boxing than you're ever likely to learn. You may be opinionated, but opinion and four bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. You should really think again before trying to pass off your poorly arrived at opinions as facts.

By the way, your return rep hit did absolutely nothing to my rep points. Did you ever consider that big red bar of negative rep points you have is do to your arrogance paired with your ignorance? People that make idiotic posts get hit with negative reps. You may notice my bar is green, there's a reason for that. I'll leave it to you to ponder the reason why as you gaze at your own abyssmal rep as compared to my own.

Poet

This last post of yours exposes your complete lack of credibility and boxing knowledge. Nobody with ANY knowledge of boxing whatsoever could say "Foreman would rarely connect to Vitali's chin becuase Vitali is such a masterful pure boxer". That statement right there exposes you as a fraud. Now, Junior, I have probably been watching boxing since before you were born. So if you think you're dealing with a kid please think again. How can anyone with any degree of boxing knowledge claim Foreman never walked though a power hitter's shots? Ever heard of Joe Frazier? Frazier had one punch power Junior and Foreman didn't blink when Frazier hit him. Nuff said!

You seem to think that your gratuitous assertions should pass as details and facts. No, no Junior. It doesn't work like that. Any gratuitous assertion may be equally gratuitously denied. Get an education Son, it's clear you need it. There is certainly nothing YOU could possibly educate me on: I've forgotten more about boxing than you're ever likely to learn. You may be opinionated, but opinion and four bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. You should really think again before trying to pass off your poorly arrived at opinions as facts.

By the way, your return rep hit did absolutely nothing to my rep points. Did you ever consider that big red bar of negative rep points you have is do to your arrogance paired with your ignorance? People that make idiotic posts get hit with negative reps. You may notice my bar is green, there's a reason for that. I'll leave it to you to ponder the reason why as you gaze at your own abyssmal rep as compared to my own.

Poet

this time you make a post with 1% detail and 99% insults on me. First, the reason why i have red Karma is because that Anorak dude sent me 4 negative reputations in a row and turned it red, thats the only reason. (not that i care what you think or not) on topic, Frazier didn't even get to land on Foremans chin because Foreman beat him to the punch everytime. The Ron Lyle fight supports my arguement because he actually connected to Foremans chin. Foreman is a lot bigger than Frazier was. that wouldn't be the case with Vitali. Vitali is bigger, has great defence and a longer reach. he would set Foreman up with stiff left jabs followed by big right hands and left hooks. the only reason why Vitali was hit clean by lewis is because Lewis a such a great pure boxer, besides, Lewis never staggered Vitali once in that fight. Vitali has great defence and has never been hit clean at will, unlike Foreman. oh and another reason why i know you are getting owned in this debate, is that you don't answer any of my questions in my posts and just anwser back with lame insults. go back and anwser those questions and i might take you seriously. you have showed that you are not in my leauge when it comes to a debate. you are also repeating everything that i said about you to me. come up with your own stuff and quit taking mine. and you saying that ''you have forgotten more boxing that i will ever learn'' is toooooo old. be original. i have heard that by over 1000 posters on this site.

Poet will never, and I mean never..recognize a newer fighter as a great or someone with potential.Agreed, I don't see how anyone can take this poet fellow seriously.

Poet seemed cool when I first started posting here. We debated Frazier/Tyson well enough, he said I knew my stuff and he thanked me for not making him feel like a moron when I disagreed with him. Maybe somebody else took over his account because I politely disagreed with to him to play devil's advocate in another fantasty thread a few weeks later and I got the brilliant retort in my siganture. The guy is a joke, don't waste your time with him. You'll probably end up in that ignore list he insecurly advertises. :nonono:

Great posts, SlickSouthPaw. You defended your position well and you didn't fall into Poet's insult trap. Have some karma, whatever the hell that does....

Poet seemed cool when I first started posting here. We debated Frazier/Tyson well enough, he said I knew my stuff and he thanked me for not making him feel like a moron when I disagreed with him. Maybe somebody else took over his account because I politely disagreed with to him to play devil's advocate in another fantasty thread a few weeks later and I got the brilliant retort in my siganture. The guy is a joke, don't waste your time with him. You'll probably end up in that ignore list he insecurly advertises. :nonono:

Great posts, SlickSouthPaw. You defended your position well and you didn't fall into Poet's insult trap. Have some karma, whatever the hell that does....

that sounds good coming from a great poster like yourself. Now i know not to ever take Poet seriously again. :beerchug:

this time you make a post with 1% detail and 99% insults on me. First, the reason why i have red Karma is because that Anorak dude sent me 4 negative reputations in a row and turned it red, thats the only reason. (not that i care what you think or not) on topic, Frazier didn't even get to land on Foremans chin because Foreman beat him to the punch everytime. The Ron Lyle fight supports my arguement because he actually connected to Foremans chin. Foreman is a lot bigger than Frazier was. that wouldn't be the case with Vitali. Vitali is bigger, has great defence and a longer reach. he would set Foreman up with stiff left jabs followed by big right hands and left hooks. the only reason why Vitali was hit clean by lewis is because Lewis a such a great pure boxer, besides, Lewis never staggered Vitali once in that fight. Vitali has great defence and has never been hit clean at will, unlike Foreman. oh and another reason why i know you are getting owned in this debate, is that you don't answer any of my questions in my posts and just anwser back with lame insults. go back and anwser those questions and i might take you seriously. you have showed that you are not in my leauge when it comes to a debate. you are also repeating everything that i said about you to me. come up with your own stuff and quit taking mine. and you saying that ''you have forgotten more boxing that i will ever learn'' is toooooo old. be original. i have heard that by over 1000 posters on this site.

First off, Anorak is a friend of mine so if he dumped red on you it must have been for a good reason (such as your blatant stupidity). Second, I gave you plenty of details as to why Klitschko isn't in Foreman's league. You simply chose to disregard it. You can make all these assertions as to Vitili's virtue but that doesn't make them so: They are mearly your own ill-informed opinions, not fact. In fact what they reveal you to be is someone who is hugging Klitschko's nuts so hard he has to seriously be concerned about his future ability to have children. You see what you want to see through nuthugger eyes. In that you're as bad as those Tyson worshipers running around on this forum (Marciano worshipers are just as bad but I haven't run into one for a while), and only a shade below the Mayweather nuthuggers. Personally I don't know why you bother trying to start arguments in these forums since you've already made up your mind about everything and are completely unaware of the absurdity of things you accept as dogma. Prehaps you haven't watched any fights that predate the last ten years: That's how you can make an absurd statement about Frazier not connecting on Foreman (if you WATCH the fight you'll see Frazier connect with a handfull of left hooks in the first round, Foreman didn't blink). You're take on the Lewis fight shows when you DO watch a fight you do so with blinders on. Lennox got off to a lethargic start and fell behind early, however it was clear by the time of the cut stoppage that Lewis had taken controll of the fight. I suggest in the future, if you wish to have any credibility at all, that you watch fights as a detached observer and NOT as a rabid fan of one of the participants.

Poet

im picking Klitchko in this one by late KO. Vitali has a concreit chin and could take Foreman's shots. I think Vitali would keep George at bay with his left jab and set him up with right hands and left hooks all night. I think George would have his moments, but i see Vitali prevailing in this one. hes too skillful for George IMO. Vitali is even bigger than George. 6'8 and over 240 lbs. If Vitali didn't have brittle hands, he would definatley be dominate today.

Vitali has a GOOD chin, I wouldn't call it concrete. Foreman was just a straight up animal in his day. It might be a brawl for a little bit, but Foreman would win.

Foreman by ko

foreman decision

I bet slicksouthpaw16 is shitting his pants over the poll results LOL!

Poet

I would say it would probably turn out kind of like the Ron Lyle fight except it would be Foreman at his best, working the jab and the uppercuts, something he didn't do in that fight.

Vitali's chin is pretty good, he was never knocked down but he came very close to being knocked down/out against Sanders in the first round and also against Lewis.

Foreman wouldn't let Vitali off the hook and would pummel him into unconsciousness like he did Lyle, Vitali would go out like a warrior though.

We don't know as much about Vitali as we know about Foreman because he never got to fight the kind of competition that Foreman did.
Lewis was his best opponent and he was unfortunately stopped on cuts. A cut-stoppage could happen in this match-up too.

There is a good chance Vitali gets injured too, Foreman was rough.

I bet slicksouthpaw16 is shitting his pants over the poll results LOL!

Poet

again, im not taking you seriously. besides, me, thunder lips, and the machine were the only ones that explained how the fighters would win instead of just talking BS like you are doing. and when you tried to explain, it made no sense and i have already exposed you as a poster. and the poll results are nothing, again, only about 3 people actually got into detail. :duh: :nonono:

In my opinion, a top notch boxer who could keep him off well enough is the key to beating a prime Foreman. Honestly, a guy like Jimmy Young thoroughly outboxed him. I pick most top notch boxers to outbox him(and given that Vitali has a very good chin), while I pick Foreman to beat most brawlers/swarmers.

Wlad is a better boxer than Vitali with a worse chin, these two are hard calls against George.

again, im not taking you seriously. besides, me, thunder lips, and the machine were the only ones that explained how the fighters would win instead of just talking BS like you are doing. and when you tried to explain, it made no sense and i have already exposed you as a poster. and the poll results are nothing, again, only about 3 people actually got into detail. :duh: :nonono:

I have to say that I don't take YOU seriously nor your nuthugging pals. Why? Because you're myopic and therefore have NO credibility. You may have exposed yourself in public but you certainly didn't expose me as a poster. My rationals didn't make sense? Did it ever occure to you that they didn't because you're too pea-brained to understand them? Prehaps I should post in Dick & Jane so those of limited literacy like yourself can comprehend it. Here's the big difference between me and you: I look at the evidence (yes I actually WATCH the fights) and draw my conclusions; on the other hand YOU start with a predetermined conclusion and hunt for evidence to justify it. In short that makes you no different from any other Kool Aid drinking nuthugger out there. As such there is no reason for ANYONE to take you seriously. Thunder Lips is on my ignore list for a VERY good reason: He is a complete moron who is rabidly biased against fighters from the past. Therefore he is ignored and I don't have to be subjected to his inane post that lack ALL objectivity. Kind of like YOUR posts. I think I need to have a little talk with my good friend Anorak about hitting you with some more red. Toodles and please come back when you gain less bias and more intelligence!

Poet

I have to say that I don't take YOU seriously nor your nuthugging pals. Why? Because you're myopic and therefore have NO credibility. You may have exposed yourself in public but you certainly didn't expose me as a poster. My rationals didn't make sense? Did it ever occure to you that they didn't because you're too pea-brained to understand them? Prehaps I should post in Dick & Jane so those of limited literacy like yourself can comprehend it. Here's the big difference between me and you: I look at the evidence (yes I actually WATCH the fights) and draw my conclusions; on the other hand YOU start with a predetermined conclusion and hunt for evidence to justify it. In short that makes you no different from any other Kool Aid drinking nuthugger out there. As such there is no reason for ANYONE to take you seriously. Thunder Lips is on my ignore list for a VERY good reason: He is a complete moron who is rabidly biased against fighters from the past. Therefore he is ignored and I don't have to be subjected to his inane post that lack ALL objectivity. Kind of like YOUR posts. I think I need to have a little talk with my good friend Anorak about hitting you with some more red. Toodles and please come back when you gain less bias and more intelligence!

Poet

you are immature for a man that is suppose to be 39 years of age. im about 20 years younger than you are and more mature. im not going to write a huge paragraph desrepecting you because you are not worth it. and what the hell would red karma do? what impact would that have on my life if he sent it? do us all a favor and grow up. :nonono:

What the hell is red karma?

What the hell red karma?

its that green bar under your Vcash. when a lot of people send you negative reps, it turns red. i actually sent you green karma before, which means good. i dont get the point of it.

you are immature for a man that is suppose to be 39 years of age. im about 20 years younger than you are and more mature. im not going to write a huge paragraph desrepecting you because you are not worth it. and what the hell would red karma do? what impact would that have on my life if he sent it? do us all a favor and grow up.

You won't believe the BS that comes out of Poets mouth, he once said I love "Cock fighting" because I said I enjoy knockouts. He then called me a sick **** and continued to get himself into a hissy little fit until he did the pussy thing and blocked me.

All this because he hates newer fighters :/

Foreman would knock him the **** out

Klitschko.

What I see in him and his brother.

Two manufactured athletes (artificially of course) who have done their best with great physical advantages.

Vitali, unlike his brother, is a little clumsy and uncoordinated yet he makes up for it with a little more brawn and toughness.

but this Foreman guy. Is a monster. This is like nothing these guys have seen before and nothing 95% of the heavyweights have ever seen.

Foreman knocks this guy out.

"Thunder Lips is on my ignore list for a VERY good reason: He is a complete moron who is rabidly biased against fighters from the past."

To clarify this: I believe I picked Foreman to beat Tyson, Liston to beat Lewis, and ****ing midget Marciano to beat Wlad and Lewis. I have nothing against past greats or the athletes of today. Fantasty fights are just for fun since nobody is ever going to be proved right or wrong, and I do my best to look at the individual match up. I have no idea why people get so bent out of shape because of these things. Poet put me on ignore because I picked Wlad over Foreman and carefully explained why; he said I was wrong because Liston and Holmes had a better jab than Wlad which had dick to do with Foreman...than he had a fit.

You won't believe the BS that comes out of Poets mouth, he once said I love "Cock fighting" because I said I enjoy knockouts. He then called me a sick **** and continued to get himself into a hissy little fit until he did the pussy thing and blocked me.

All this because he hates newer fighters :/

yeah hes weird, he thinks sending me red karma would actually do something to me, how lame is that? and he suppose be 39? he needs to grow up.

yeah hes weird, he thinks sending me red karma would actually do something to me, how lame is that? and he suppose be 39? he needs to grow up.

He's not just weird, he's a ****ing loser at that. Red karma pfff that must make him feel cool or something.

Don't want to get involved in all the name calling but prime Foreman was bigger, meaner and harder hitting than Tyson. He kills any version of a Klitchko. Klitchko couldn't hurt him with a tire iron and though he might stay away for a bit, eventually George would get one of those ponderous gloves on him and it would be sleepy time. If they fight ten times there's a good chance George might knock him out 11. ;^>

Don't want to get involved in all the name calling but prime Foreman was bigger, meaner and harder hitting than Tyson. He kills any version of a Klitchko. Klitchko couldn't hurt him with a tire iron and though he might stay away for a bit, eventually George would get one of those ponderous gloves on him and it would be sleepy time. If they fight ten times there's a good chance George might knock him out 11. ;^>

i respect your opinion but did past his prime Ali need a tire iron to hurt prime George? did Ron Lye need a tire iron to hurt George? did Jimmy Young need a tire iron to out box George? Vitali hits harder than both of them. past his prime Ali just hung in there, took his shots, out lasted him and knocked him out. thats why i picked Vitali to win, he would get George tired by hanging in there, picking him apart from the outside, and finally knocking him out.

I'm not sure if Vitali is as elusive and durable as a slightly past his prime Ali was. Hardly anything from Foreman actually landed clean and Ali won most of the rounds in that fight. It was a masterful performance.

thats why i picked Vitali to win, he would get George tired by hanging in there, picking him apart from the outside, and finally knocking him out.

Good points, but please tell me you're not seriously comparing Klitchko's boxing skills and guile to those of Young and, gulp, Ali?? His power to Lyle's? It's also worth noting that both the Young and Lyle fights were something of an aberration as Foreman was basically insane at that point and just wasn't right after the loss to Ali. Prime Foreman is the guy who massacred Frazier. The guy after the Ali fight was damaged goods for well over a decade.

I understand your argument and in an alternate universe where Klitchko isn't a mediocre fighter I could see it :banana: , but to me you're way over-rating Klitchko. Comparing him to Ali is simply absurd and he certainly doesn't have the boxing skills of Young or the power of Lyle. But I suppose that the very best version of Klitchko might possibly beat the mentally scarred version of Foreman.

Good points, but please tell me you're not seriously comparing Klitchko's boxing skills and guile to those of Young and, gulp, Ali?? His power to Lyle's? It's also worth noting that both the Young and Lyle fights were something of an aberration as Foreman was basically insane at that point and just wasn't right after the loss to Ali. Prime Foreman is the guy who massacred Frazier. The guy after the Ali fight was damaged goods for well over a decade.

I understand your argument and in an alternate universe where Klitchko isn't a mediocre fighter I could see it :banana: , but to me you're way over-rating Klitchko. Comparing him to Ali is simply absurd and he certainly doesn't have the boxing skills of Young or the power of Lyle. But I suppose that the very best version of Klitchko might possibly beat the mentally scarred version of Foreman.
you have good points as well. but did you mean that Vitali does not have the power or boxing skills of Ron Lyle or jimmy Young? only 1 person has went the distance with Vitali. his record is 35-2-34 (kOs) and both of his losses were flukes. he was well ahead on the scorecards when he had to quit against Byrd and was ahead on the cards against Lennox as well before it was stopped on cuts. and Vitali is a masterful pure boxer. hes probably the only 6'8 fighter that has that much athletic ability and skill. Jimmy young or Ron Lyle was never even a top fighter or a champion. his claim to fame was his war with Foreman. Foreman had terrible stamina, if you could stay in there and make it past the 6th or 7th round, you would usually have a shot at knocking him out and Ali was way past him prime when he did it. Frazier didn't get a chace to really get off because Foreman just Blitzed straight through Frazier because Frazier was the smaller man. Vitali is even bigger than George and the better boxer. i understand you points but i just see it a different way. :banana:

Don't want to get involved in all the name calling but prime Foreman was bigger, meaner and harder hitting than Tyson. He kills any version of a Klitchko. Klitchko couldn't hurt him with a tire iron and though he might stay away for a bit, eventually George would get one of those ponderous gloves on him and it would be sleepy time. If they fight ten times there's a good chance George might knock him out 11. ;^>


Foreman was bigger than almost everyone he fought, he's also a sloppy boxer. Don't compare Tyson to Foreman they are much different fighters.

Klitchko paces himself better, has more accuracy and hits the equivalent.

I would probably agree with the lot of you but the fact is we hardly saw anything of Klitschko because of his injuries.
So it's hard to say for sure what he could or couldn't do to a guy like Foreman.

On the other hand we saw Foreman in his 20's and 40's against great boxers like Frazier, Norton, Ali, Lyle, Holyfield and even Moorer.

The only comparable boxer Vitali fought was Lewis and perhaps Byrd. And although Vitali fought valiantly he didn't beat them.

Foreman looked just as destructive as Vitali did against lesser opposition.

Good points, but please tell me you're not seriously comparing Klitchko's boxing skills and guile to those of Young and, gulp, Ali?? His power to Lyle's? It's also worth noting that both the Young and Lyle fights were something of an aberration as Foreman was basically insane at that point and just wasn't right after the loss to Ali. Prime Foreman is the guy who massacred Frazier. The guy after the Ali fight was damaged goods for well over a decade.

I understand your argument and in an alternate universe where Klitchko isn't a mediocre fighter I could see it :banana: , but to me you're way over-rating Klitchko. Comparing him to Ali is simply absurd and he certainly doesn't have the boxing skills of Young or the power of Lyle. But I suppose that the very best version of Klitchko might possibly beat the mentally scarred version of Foreman.

Spot on! A washed up Ali was STILL a better fighter than Klitschko. A master boxer? When you're as ponderous and robotic as Vitili? Come on. I've seen statues with more mobility. The truth is, this thread was created by a Vitili nuthugger FOR Vitali nuthuggers. They just can't stand it when their God is criticised in any way. As for the charge that I hate "modern" fighters? Hmmm, I guess that depends on what you mean by modern. Considering I have always been a fan of Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, also a fan of David Tua, and am currently a fan of Samual Peter, puts that accusation to the lie: Unless, of course, these nitwits do not consider those fighters modern. If by "modern" it's meant the Heavyweight division as it currently stands then no, I'm not a fan of the Heavyweight division right now: It's quite possibly the worst I've ever seen. Now I believe I said in an earlier post that I like Vitili Klitchsko, as opposed to his little Sister Wlad who I very much dislike. The opporative term is "like" as opposed to "nuthugging". I have no problems pointing out the flaws in fighters I like. No one is above criticism. I think people do a disservice to fighters when they make them out to be more than they really are in a desparate attempt to justify their hugging of that fighter's nuts. You see, I like fighters accross ALL eras, as opposed to those who think anything that came before the current era are inferior pretenders who where "good in their day" but hopeless against today juggarnaughts. Please. Tell me who is REALLY biased here. Is it the chronic nuthuggers or the one who doesn't let his fondness for a fight get in the way of an honest appraisal? Personally I think them_apples should be sentenced to 10 years watching fights from the 40s and 50s 24/7. Slickyboysouthpaw should be forced to watch nothing but fights from prior to 5 years ago. Who knows? Maybe even THEY might actually learn something.

Poet

Spot on! A washed up Ali was STILL a better fighter than Klitschko. A master boxer? When you're as ponderous and robotic as Vitili? Come on. I've seen statues with more mobility. The truth is, this thread was created by a Vitili nuthugger FOR Vitali nuthuggers. They just can't stand it when their God is criticised in any way. As for the charge that I hate "modern" fighters? Hmmm, I guess that depends on what you mean by modern. Considering I have always been a fan of Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, also a fan of David Tua, and am currently a fan of Samual Peter, puts that accusation to the lie: Unless, of course, these nitwits do not consider those fighters modern. If by "modern" it's meant the Heavyweight division as it currently stands then no, I'm not a fan of the Heavyweight division right now: It's quite possibly the worst I've ever seen. Now I believe I said in an earlier post that I like Vitili Klitchsko, as opposed to his little Sister Wlad who I very much dislike. The opporative term is "like" as opposed to "nuthugging". I have no problems pointing out the flaws in fighters I like. No one is above criticism. I think people do a disservice to fighters when they make them out to be more than they really are in a desparate attempt to justify their hugging of that fighter's nuts. You see, I like fighters accross ALL eras, as opposed to those who think anything that came before the current era are inferior pretenders who where "good in their day" but hopeless against today juggarnaughts. Please. Tell me who is REALLY biased here. Is it the chronic nuthuggers or the one who doesn't let his fondness for a fight get in the way of an honest appraisal? Personally I think them_apples should be sentenced to 10 years watching fights from the 40s and 50s 24/7. Slickyboysouthpaw should be forced to watch nothing but fights from prior to 5 years ago. Who knows? Maybe even THEY might actually learn something.

Poet

actually i made this thread to get everyone's opinions. you had to go and act biased and disrespect champions, then calling us nit wits because we choose Vitali? that makes no sense. if you pick Foreman to win, just go into detail about it and leave it alone, but dont call anyone names because you dont agree with them.

i respect your opinion but did past his prime Ali need a tire iron to hurt prime George? did Ron Lye need a tire iron to hurt George? did Jimmy Young need a tire iron to out box George? Vitali hits harder than both of them. past his prime Ali just hung in there, took his shots, out lasted him and knocked him out. thats why i picked Vitali to win, he would get George tired by hanging in there, picking him apart from the outside, and finally knocking him out.

Well Ron Lyle hit alot harder than Vitali did...no doubt.

I can't see Vitali outlasting one of the most ferocious fighters in all of boxing, the fear that fighters had for Foreman even compared with that they had of Max Baer, and with Baer they was the terror of knowing that your next championship title shot may well be your last in a instant.

actually i made this thread to get everyone's opinions. you had to go and act biased and disrespect champions, then calling us nit wits because we choose Vitali? that makes no sense. if you pick Foreman to win, just go into detail about it and leave it alone, but dont call anyone names because you dont agree with them.

First off, I never addressed YOU or anyone else directly. I gave my assesment of the two fighters and you subsequently jumped my shit for it. So you shouldn't be shocked that I flamed you.

Secondly, you said my initial post was, and I quote "one of the most disrepectful posts i have ever seen towards a fighter." What excactly did I say? "This is a no brainer: Foreman by KO", "I like Vitali but I'm sorry he just wasn't in Foreman's class as a fighter", or maybe "Vitili was as slow and clumsy a champion as I've ever seen, and I like guy. So please, keep Vitili in proper perspective: He was a good but NOT great Heavyweight." This is disrespectful? Well, maybe for someone who worships at the Klitschko alter it is. But then again, those type of people have no credibility with me. I don't mind people being fans: I'm a fan of many fighters. What I do mind is brainless nuthugging that blinds people to a fighter's limitations: I do NOT do that. I also wrote "The closest Vitili is getting to an All-Time Great list is when he buys an issue of Ring magazine" what is the least bit inaccurate about that? He isn't an all-time great and will never be considered one.

Of course you wrote "you need to be quiet unless you actually get into detail about how George would win instead of just talking BS and being biased." Well! I did get into detail in subsequent posts however you disregarded those details because they didn't fit you own views. Who's biased? Who thinks Vitali, a stand-up puncher, is a boxer in the class of Muhammed Ali? That's bias. That's entering a world of unreality. That, Sir, is nuthugging.
You want more detail? Foreman comes right at Klitschko, If Vitali stands and trades it just means the fight end that much. If Vitali tries to move, clumsily as always, NO one was better than George at cutting off the ring. Klitschko is easy to hit and Foreman would have no problem hitting him: Power jab, brutal overhand right, left hook to the ribs. Those punches take their toll and eventually Vitili will be so beat up the fight gets stopped before five rounds. As for Klitschko, if Frazier couldn't hurt Foreman with those left hooks in the first round of their first fight then NOTHING Vitili brings to the table is going to phase George. And don't give me that BS about Foreman being floored by Muhammed Ali and Jimmy Young. In both cases George was completely gassed out and his legs were gone. He could have been pushed over at that point. So! Here are some more details you can disregard because they don't fit in with your flawed vision of things.

Poet

Originally Posted by poet682006
This is a no brainer: Foreman by KO. I like Vitali but I'm sorry he just wasn't in Foreman's class as a fighter. Foreman is an ATG for God's sake: The closest Vitili is getting to an All-Time Great list is when he buys an issue of ring magazine. Someone wrote that Vitili was quicker and craftier than George. How do you figure that? Vitili was as slow and clumsy a champion as I've ever seen, and I like guy. So please, keep Vitili in proper perspective: He was a good but NOT great Heavyweight.

PS. I know some people are singing his accolades because they're obsessed with size and think any fighter that came before 2000 automatically sucked. These pea brained nit wits need to grow up and grow some perspective.

Poet

you need to be quiet unless you actually get into detail about how George would win instead of just talking BS and being biased. this is one of the most disrepectful posts i have ever seen towards a fighter. do us all a favor and watch more fights, especially this one of Vitali. he was a force to be reckoned with. unlike you, we actually got into detail and didn't talk shit