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Axl Rose
12-05-2007, 02:39 PM
If you take Tyson at hes best(probloby around 1988) and Lennox Lewis in hes prime (probloby(1998-2002) who do you think would win?

I have seen most fights of both of them, and i think it would be a very interesting fight. I think Tyson..what do you think?

leff
12-05-2007, 03:09 PM
If you take Tyson at hes best(probloby around 1988) and Lennox Lewis in hes prime (probloby(1998-2002) who do you think would win?

I have seen most fights of both of them, and i think it would be a very interesting fight. I think Tyson..what do you think?

closer than the one that did happen, but probably still lewis.

i see a cautios lewis tying upp tyson in the earlier rounds, outboxing and beating tyson by points

ceboxer15
12-05-2007, 03:10 PM
Tyson would win by late TKO.

Don PWNleone
12-05-2007, 03:16 PM
I see a good fight and Tyson winning the first 3-4 rounds with Lewis tying him up. Lewis then begins to assert his authority and claws back the deficit and either wins a close UD or stops Tyson in the last two rounds.

Ironside
12-05-2007, 05:08 PM
Lewis would probably win in a similair fashion as he did the time they fought, but Tyson would probably hang in there longer.

azza
12-05-2007, 05:14 PM
tyson would completely outclass him

ALPHA O`MEGA
12-05-2007, 05:40 PM
tyson...............

them_apples
12-05-2007, 05:50 PM
Tyson by UD, Lewis would be to cautious to be KOed. I see it going Tyson's way the same way it went with tucker.

micky_knox
12-05-2007, 07:22 PM
tyson by KO

Axl Rose
12-05-2007, 08:47 PM
:banana: i think in fact that Tysons bodyshots would be to much for Lewis. Tyson was quicker,and put together more combinations in hes prime. those amazing bodyshots would have done it difficult for Lewis to come beck later in the fight.

Remember that Rahman, McCall, Bruno, Mercer, Klitschko utboxed him for many rounds. And David Tua had no problem staying there for 12 rounds when Lewis was at hes best. And i think that Tyson is a better puncher, better movements ,power and bodyshots then Tua was ever close to.

mrrbyrne
12-05-2007, 09:43 PM
Yeah Tyson here to. Tyson in his prime was such a special fighter it wouldve taken greater than lewis to beat him. Im talking of a prime TYSON not the Tyson that turned up and lost to Douglas...

robjr
12-06-2007, 12:37 AM
Mike Tyson

The Iron Man
12-06-2007, 01:06 AM
I think Tyson would win this fights, but it depends how he would win it. Lewis in those years you have given as his prime got knocked out by Rahman and McCall. And so it could be Tyson KO6 or 7. But if lewis is carefull i mean very careful id go for tyson UD or Late KO

duffgun
12-06-2007, 05:01 AM
tyson was awful by the time of the lewis fight, this is a very overrated win for lewis i mean he was getting out boxed by botha before landing that massive ko punch. i think the prime tyson was a different beast all together great head movement great speed power and combos i say a UD for tyson.

slicksouthpaw16
12-06-2007, 07:15 AM
Lennox by late KO. even though he was cautious, i still see him keeping Tyson in check with that strong left jab and picking his shots from the outside. Tyson would have his moments but i still see Lennox having his way with him.

tmoqsudz
12-09-2007, 12:54 PM
excuse me but these fighters both sparred in 1984, and u know wat happend in the first round of their sparring session?? mike tyson knocked him out of the damn ring!! TYSON ALL THE WAY!!

RossCA
12-09-2007, 01:12 PM
Tyson on his best night would have been too much for Lewis. Tyson UD

slicksouthpaw16
12-09-2007, 01:36 PM
excuse me but these fighters both sparred in 1984, and u know wat happend in the first round of their sparring session?? mike tyson knocked him out of the damn ring!! TYSON ALL THE WAY!!


and what that means is NOTHING! they were both teenagers so you can't go by that. They were both still learning and devoloping. Lewis is too good of a pure boxer to get hit clean by even prime Tyson. he would keep Tyson at the end of his shots and pick him apart from the outside. (similar to the ''Quick Tillis or the Douglas fight. Both of those fights happened when Tyson was in his prime) and once Tyson found out that he was being out boxed or out worked, he would just follow you around the ring and stare at you. just like he did with Douglas. Tyson would have his moments no doubt. but Lennox would stop him late. you can not tell me that Tyson would beat a great fighter like Lennox (who cleaned up the division and beat everybody he fought. and is also a top 10 great heavyweight IMO) when he has never beat a great fighter in thier prime. Lewis has a lot of prime great fighters under his notch. Tyson don't. so believe what you want, but prime Lewis beats prime Tyson IMO.

angelo_dundee
12-09-2007, 07:42 PM
Anyone who opted for LL needs there head examined. Tyson was so fast, hand and especially of foot, he'd slip inside the jab and destroy Lewis on the inside. Tyson by KO within 3.

slicksouthpaw16
12-10-2007, 01:42 PM
Anyone who opted for LL needs there head examined. Tyson was so fast, hand and especially of foot, he'd slip inside the jab and destroy Lewis on the inside. Tyson by KO within 3.

Prime Tyson didn't slip on the inside or destroy 'Quick Tillis''. that was actually a contrversial win and some observer's made a case that Tillis won that fight. and its a shame for the simple fact that Tommy Morrison destroyed Tillis. that right there should raise eye brows about prime Tyson. Tyson had trouble with fighter's that actually fought him back and Lennox would definatley bring it. Tyson looked bad against fighter's like bone crusher smith, Ruddock, Douglas, and Tillis because they actually fought him back. and against such a great heavyweight and pure boxer like Lennox, Tyson would have his confidence broke once he finds out that hes being out boxed and beaten. Lennox would keep his distance while he set up hard left jabs and big right hands from the outside. and even if Tyson did land, when Lewis was ready to take a shot, he showed a great chin. he would suck it up and fire back like he did when he fought other power punchers. it would be nothing new to Lennox.

rapper36
12-10-2007, 02:10 PM
Tyson would knock his ****ing ass out in 3 rounds!

porlie
12-14-2007, 10:36 AM
Tyson would win by KO inside 6 rounds

reedickyaluss
12-14-2007, 10:42 AM
ill say this.. if rahman can knock out lewis... then tyson... and i mean PRIME 20 yr old tyson.. would sincerely HURT lewis... nobodys tying up or workin the jab against prime tyson... definitely not later 90's tyson but 88 tyson.. ur getting ktfo no matter who you are

Silencers
12-14-2007, 11:44 AM
Tyson by KO in the mid rounds.

slicksouthpaw16
12-14-2007, 12:17 PM
ill say this.. if rahman can knock out lewis... then tyson... and i mean PRIME 20 yr old tyson.. would sincerely HURT lewis... nobodys tying up or workin the jab against prime tyson... definitely not later 90's tyson but 88 tyson.. ur getting ktfo no matter who you are

the Rachman fight has nothing to do with (prime)Lewis vs (prime)Tyson and its a different situation as well. with Rachman, Lewis came in out of shape from doing movies. besides, he was winning the fight by the time he fooled around and got caught. do you really think that Lewis would come in out of shape against prime Tyson? nope he wouldn't. and like i said before, did prime Tyson knock out quick Tillis, bone crusher smith, or Buster Douglas? y'all are just believing the hype.

reedickyaluss
12-14-2007, 12:44 PM
prime tyson wasnt in the ring with buster douglas

reedickyaluss
12-14-2007, 12:44 PM
prime tyson wasnt in the ring with buster douglas.. he wasnt dipping he wasnt moving he didnt even train... prime tyson didnt even win the heavyweight championship yet

slicksouthpaw16
12-14-2007, 12:57 PM
prime tyson wasnt in the ring with buster douglas.. he wasnt dipping he wasnt moving he didnt even train... prime tyson didnt even win the heavyweight championship yet

Any Tyson had trouble with fighter's that actually fought him back. you can't grow into being heartless. I have never seen Tyson get up to win a fight. and he was in his prime when he fought Quick Tillis. and some observers thought that Tillis won that fight and Tillis was not even a top fighter. and this is Prime Tyson. Prime Tyson had trouble with fighters that Lennox and Morrison blew out in the first few rounds, why? because they fought him back.

NachoMan
12-14-2007, 01:04 PM
Tyson by early and brutal KO. No way does a prime Tyson give Lewis the time to warm up as Lewis always seemed to need (except for Ruddock, I suppose). I see Tyson jumping all over a flailing Lewis, eventually connecting with a left or right hook to end the fight somewhere late in the first round. Lewis is carried out of the ring on a shit-stained stretcher.

NachoMan
12-14-2007, 01:07 PM
ill say this.. if rahman can knock out lewis... then tyson... and i mean PRIME 20 yr old tyson.. would sincerely HURT lewis... nobodys tying up or workin the jab against prime tyson... definitely not later 90's tyson but 88 tyson.. ur getting ktfo no matter who you are

This guy remembers...

Don PWNleone
12-14-2007, 02:12 PM
Any Tyson had trouble with fighter's that actually fought him back. you can't grow into being heartless. I have never seen Tyson get up to win a fight. and he was in his prime when he fought Quick Tillis. and some observers thought that Tillis won that fight and Tillis was not even a top fighter. and this is Prime Tyson. Prime Tyson had trouble with fighters that Lennox and Morrison blew out in the first few rounds, why? because they fought him back.

Exactly right. These people that say PRIME Tyson would knock anyone out are talking shite. Sure he has a chance with his speed and power but you last 5 rounds with him and show your not afraid and actually hit back then he loses concentration and confidence. Lewis got sloppy against 2 fighters that were not in his class but proved they were flukes in the rematches. He beat every fighter there was to beat except 2 that avoided him Bowe and Moorer.
He beat everyone he ever faced and against dangerous opponents was at his best. David Tua fought an old Lennox Lewis and couldn't for the most part get near him and when he did land with great shots Lewis wasn't fazed because he was prepared for them unlike McCall and Rahman. Lewis had a much better chin than people give him credit for and unlike Tyson could adapt to any fighter and situation. Lewis could do it all and was a masterful boxer and a devasting fighter who could knock anyone out.

Tyson has a chance early on if Lewis takes him lightly or Tyson gets lucky otherwise Lewis beat him by decision or stops him in the last 2 rounds.
I'd pick Lewis to come out on top against every other fighter in history in a best of 3. I'm not saying he was unbeatable but because he could do everything and had devastating power as well and his tactical awareness plus his size Lewis would be a real hard fight for anyone Louis and Ali included.

Cadey
12-14-2007, 03:15 PM
Lewis by UD or late stoppage.

slicksouthpaw16
12-14-2007, 03:19 PM
Exactly right. These people that say PRIME Tyson would knock anyone out are talking shite. Sure he has a chance with his speed and power but you last 5 rounds with him and show your not afraid and actually hit back then he loses concentration and confidence. Lewis got sloppy against 2 fighters that were not in his class but proved they were flukes in the rematches. He beat every fighter there was to beat except 2 that avoided him Bowe and Moorer.
He beat everyone he ever faced and against dangerous opponents was at his best. David Tua fought an old Lennox Lewis and couldn't for the most part get near him and when he did land with great shots Lewis wasn't fazed because he was prepared for them unlike McCall and Rahman. Lewis had a much better chin than people give him credit for and unlike Tyson could adapt to any fighter and situation. Lewis could do it all and was a masterful boxer and a devasting fighter who could knock anyone out.

Tyson has a chance early on if Lewis takes him lightly or Tyson gets lucky otherwise Lewis beat him by decision or stops him in the last 2 rounds.
I'd pick Lewis to come out on top against every other fighter in history in a best of 3. I'm not saying he was unbeatable but because he could do everything and had devastating power as well and his tactical awareness plus his size Lewis would be a real hard fight for anyone Louis and Ali included.

Lewis by UD or late stoppage.

i agree. thanks to the both of you. i felt like i was in a corner by myself. lol! :beerchug: people are just believing the hype and don't know whats really going on.

poet682006
12-14-2007, 04:28 PM
The honest truth I see this as a pick 'em matchup. It's either Tyson early or Lewis late after Tyson gasses out. It could go either way I think. It's possible Lennox could use his reach to keep Mike out of punching range, the problem as I see it is that while I think Lennox had a good jab he didn't have a great one; which is what you need for that strategy to work. On the other hand, Lennox can match Mike for punching power. While Tyson had a very good chin, how would he react to getting bombed at long range punches that hard? This is a great matchup and the mind boggles with the possibilities.

Poet

them_apples
12-14-2007, 06:27 PM
An old washed up Tyson went 8 rounds with a near prime lewis, a younger Tyson would have anhilated him.

Bruno went late round with Lewis, 3 with Tyson.

porlie
12-14-2007, 06:56 PM
An old washed up Tyson went 8 rounds with a near prime lewis, a younger Tyson would have anhilated him.

Bruno went late round with Lewis, 3 with Tyson.

Yeah thats how I see it aswell

Don PWNleone
12-14-2007, 08:23 PM
An old washed up Tyson went 8 rounds with a near prime lewis, a younger Tyson would have anhilated him.

Bruno went late round with Lewis, 3 with Tyson.

An old washed up Tyson he was, but it wasn't a near prime Lewis either. Lewis was also at the very end of his career and should have been retired himself. It's a very popular misconception that Lewis was in his prime when he fought Tyson, but the only reason Lewis fought on so long was because the 2 fighters he really wanted, wanted nothing to do with him and only fought him when he was the only big money fight left and he had something they both wanted. Neither would defend their titles against him when he had no titles himself. He was frozen out the picture and studiously avoided by all the big names. Lennox fought way past his prime like many do yet still managed to prevail in his quest to become undisputed champion and defeat Holyfield and Tyson the two fighters he really wanted. Lewis' prime was in 1996 six years before defeating Tyson. That Lennox Lewis was faster, slightly lighter and had much more stamina to fight a hard fight for 12 rounds and not dictate the pace and fight in bursts like he did later in his career.

Like I said before Tyson had a punchers chance early on, but a focused Lewis could take anything a prime Tyson would offer and his chin would stand up like it did so many times before against some of the biggest hitters the heavyweight division had seen in one particular era. If your not prepared and can't see the punch coming anyone can get knocked out like he did in his 2 defeats but that doesn't mean you have a weak chin when you have taken the best punches from such people as Ruddock,Morrison,Mercer,Golota,Grant,Briggs,Klitch ko,Tua,Holyfield and Tyson.
I don't care how washed up or past your prime you are because the last thing to leave a fighter is his punch, everything else goes before that look at George Foreman if you want proof.

Lennox Lewis by UD or late stoppage.

slicksouthpaw16
12-15-2007, 01:20 AM
Yeah thats how I see it aswell

An old washed up Tyson went 8 rounds with a near prime lewis, a younger Tyson would have anhilated him.

Bruno went late round with Lewis, 3 with Tyson.

if thats how yall see it, then yall need to know that styles makes fghts and that has nothing to do with nothing. if i am doing what you are doing, i could say that Tyson went 12 hard rounds with Razor Ruzzock, and Lennox destroyed him in 2 rounds. (which he did) you wont get far by going by that.

them_apples
12-15-2007, 01:50 AM
if thats how yall see it, then yall need to know that styles makes fghts and that has nothing to do with nothing. if i am doing what you are doing, i could say that Tyson went 12 hard rounds with Razor Ruzzock, and Lennox destroyed him in 2 rounds. (which he did) you wont get far by going by that.
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I agree, but Bruno and Lewis both fight the same style and are similar in size (only lewis was a bit quicker/skilled).

I should also point out Lewis' Prime was often considered in his thirties, hence his "fine wine" comment towards himself.

res
12-15-2007, 02:10 AM
There is no way that lewis was anywhere near as far from his Prime as either Tyson or Holyfeild was when he fought each of them. But let's go to his earlier career.
What would have happened if lewis got hit with an Oliver mcCall-like right hand by Tyson? Is McCall slicker or faster than a prime Mike Tyson? People that say that Tyson would back off if he were bullied and brawled with forget that lennox is not going to do any of that. He is going to stand back and try to box, going for individual shots. There would be no reason for Tyson to fold under offensive pressure, it would come down to a chin and we know he had a good chin. We also know that lennox did not and that he is fighting one of the hardest punchers in boxing history in his prime.

Oh and by the way, a fighter can loose heart; he does so if he looses his reason for fighting. Tyson fought to please Daddy Damato and when he was gone, his purpose was gone.

Axl Rose
02-06-2008, 12:36 PM
Listen, when Lewis beat Tyson in 2002 Lewis was at the best condision in hes career. Tyson was at he worst.

Remember that Lewis in hes career struggled against several fighter such as Mercer(split desicion), Bruno(behind on the scorecards when the referee stopped it),Klitschko(behind big time when they stopped it beacuse of a cut), struggled big time against Briggs in the first 2 rounds, knocked out by Rahaman were he was eaten alot of jabs and right hands.

My point is also that most fighters Lewis faught was past their primes.

Tony Tucker in hes first title defence had been to rehab because he was addicted to cocaine and had been off the sports for almost 2 years.
Bruno had retired and then made a comebeck before he lost to Lewis.Mercer was 35 years old when they faught. Holyfield and tyson was definetly past their primes but still gave him a hard time.

Lewis had to go 12 rounds with Mavrovich too.

Tyson never struggeled with anyone in hes prime. The times he went the distance he won easy(Tucker, Green and yeah Tillis). Never heard anyone who said that Tillis won. Tillis was also knocked down. So up to 1990 from 85 Tyson diddnt even struggle with anyone. Lewis did struggle with fighters during hes hole career.

Real OG
02-06-2008, 01:53 PM
Ican see peoples points about Tyson winning but when they say TYSON WILL KNOCK OUT ANYONE is utter bullshit Tyson is'nt impossible to go the distance with and i believe Lewis would go the Distance. Tyson Early or Lewis late if Tyson was actually mentally stable instead of being a rapist twat he would have been the best ever but he did have a habit of being dishearted and not as aggressive in the latter stages i think if Lewis survives the first 6 rounds and fights back because Tyson did'nt like it when people thought back he was plainly a bully then he takes the later rounds ACTUALLY thinking about it i really do think that a Prime Lewis takes this fight all because he would pick up points in the latter stages

blacksky
02-06-2008, 01:57 PM
Tyson hardly got hit in the fights that he won. Even when Tyson went 6 rounds (which is a longish fight for him) he would hardly take any punishment.

I have never seen Tyson take alot of punches and come back and win a fight. Against Lewis, unless he landed a lucky punch he would be getting jabbed by one of the best jabs there has ever been.

He would be taking 4 or 5 world class jabs to get on the inside of a guy who would then probably tie him up anyway.

Tyson was great against guys who were scared of him or were B tier fighters, but he never really beat anyone i would call great prime fighters.

The guys he won his belts off were over the hill.

Once Tyson is in a war, he crumbles. I think the fight goes the same way as it did when they fought last time, Lewis beats any version of Tyson in my opinion.

Ironside
02-06-2008, 06:53 PM
Lewis would win in a similar fashion as their fight and KO Tyson.

Jim Jeffries
02-11-2008, 01:44 AM
This one could go either way. If Tyson catches him in the first four rounds, he has a good chance. Past 4 Lewis either wins a decision or stops him late. If they fought 5 times, Tyson would win at least once, maybe twice, but more often than not Lewis takes him.

_Ricky_
02-18-2008, 04:02 PM
Lewis KO. Tyson is overrated by all his fan boys growing up in the 80's.

VenKo
02-28-2008, 09:21 AM
bad matchup for Tyson, Lewis beats him.

res
02-28-2008, 09:36 AM
Listen, when Lewis beat Tyson in 2002 Lewis was at the best condision in hes career. Tyson was at he worst.

Remember that Lewis in hes career struggled against several fighter such as Mercer(split desicion), Bruno(behind on the scorecards when the referee stopped it),Klitschko(behind big time when they stopped it beacuse of a cut), struggled big time against Briggs in the first 2 rounds, knocked out by Rahaman were he was eaten alot of jabs and right hands.

My point is also that most fighters Lewis faught was past their primes.

Tony Tucker in hes first title defence had been to rehab because he was addicted to cocaine and had been off the sports for almost 2 years.
Bruno had retired and then made a comebeck before he lost to Lewis.Mercer was 35 years old when they faught. Holyfield and tyson was definetly past their primes but still gave him a hard time.

Lewis had to go 12 rounds with Mavrovich too.

Tyson never struggeled with anyone in hes prime. The times he went the distance he won easy(Tucker, Green and yeah Tillis). Never heard anyone who said that Tillis won. Tillis was also knocked down. So up to 1990 from 85 Tyson diddnt even struggle with anyone. Lewis did struggle with fighters during hes hole career.

Good post.

I say Lewis get's knocked out in the first one and comes back and wins a decision in the rematch.

slicksouthpaw16
02-28-2008, 09:48 AM
Listen, when Lewis beat Tyson in 2002 Lewis was at the best condision in hes career. Tyson was at he worst.

Remember that Lewis in hes career struggled against several fighter such as Mercer(split desicion), Bruno(behind on the scorecards when the referee stopped it),Klitschko(behind big time when they stopped it beacuse of a cut), struggled big time against Briggs in the first 2 rounds, knocked out by Rahaman were he was eaten alot of jabs and right hands.

My point is also that most fighters Lewis faught was past their primes.

Tony Tucker in hes first title defence had been to rehab because he was addicted to cocaine and had been off the sports for almost 2 years.
Bruno had retired and then made a comebeck before he lost to Lewis.Mercer was 35 years old when they faught. Holyfield and tyson was definetly past their primes but still gave him a hard time.

Lewis had to go 12 rounds with Mavrovich too.

Tyson never struggeled with anyone in hes prime. The times he went the distance he won easy(Tucker, Green and yeah Tillis). Never heard anyone who said that Tillis won. Tillis was also knocked down. So up to 1990 from 85 Tyson diddnt even struggle with anyone. Lewis did struggle with fighters during hes hole career.

Good post.

I say Lewis get's knocked out in the first one and comes back and wins a decision in the rematch.

No,the reason why Lennox struggled more against his opponents is because he simply fought the better line of fighters than Tyson did. Early Tyson was matched against lesser opponents like Green, Tillis, Tucker, ect. The fighters that Lennox fought Briggs, Marovich, Mercer ect would give Tyson hell. It was also a rumor that Tyson ducked Mercer. I also think that Mercer would have had a pretty decent chance at beating Tyson. Again, Mercer is a type of fighter that could expose those heart problems that Tyson had. Tyson did not like to be in hard fights and Mercer would definatley bring the fight to him.

res
02-28-2008, 11:39 AM
No,the reason why Lennox struggled more against his opponents is because he simply fought the better line of fighters than Tyson did. Early Tyson was matched against lesser opponents like Green, Tillis, Tucker, ect. The fighters that Lennox fought Briggs, Marovich, Mercer ect would give Tyson hell. It was also a rumor that Tyson ducked Mercer. I also think that Mercer would have had a pretty decent chance at beating Tyson. Again, Mercer is a type of fighter that could expose those heart problems that Tyson had. Tyson did not like to be in hard fights and Mercer would definatley bring the fight to him.


Michael Spinx i would say is better than anyone Lewis faced in his prime.

Tyson didn't duck Bruno, and Lewis had a time with him. He was beating lewis for seven rounds untill lewis landed a magic punch.

Ras44
02-28-2008, 11:58 AM
tyson would completely outclass him
It's a pretty bold statement, but I fully agree. A prime -and properly focused- Tyson is pretty hard to beat, and I don't think Lewis even has a chance.

slicksouthpaw16
02-28-2008, 09:48 PM
Michael Spinx i would say is better than anyone Lewis faced in his prime.

Please, don't be silly. Michael Spinks was not only past his weight, but also past his prime. He was also scared to death of Tyson and was only there for a payday. There is no way that the version of the Spinks that showed up to fight Tyson is better than Ray Mercer, Razor Ruddock, Bruno, Morrison, Briggs, Marovich ect. The 1985 version of Michael Spinks beats Tyson.


Tyson didn't duck Bruno, and Lewis had a time with him. He was beating lewis for seven rounds untill lewis landed a magic punch.

Styles makes fights. According to you, i could say that Tyson had two hard fights with Ruddock while Lennox dispatched him easily in 2 rounds. Also, Lennox would have beaten Bruno anyway. Bruno had horrible stamina and even if Lennox didn't land that punch, he would have eventually caught up with Bruno and stopped him. Your bias for Tyson needs a little rethinking.:)

poet682006
02-29-2008, 12:47 AM
Not a great matchup stylistically for Tyson but better than the Foreman matchup. I think the critical question for this fight is which Lewis are we talking about? Is it the great all-around fighter that Manny Steward created? Or is it the mechanical nightmare from the first half of his career? If it's the latter than Tyson takes him apart; if it's the former than things get a lot more interesting. Overall I think the Steward trained Lewis was a SLIGHTLY better fighter than Tyson. His suspect chin was the only real weakness I could find in him. That chin and the fact that Tyson can punch means Mike is always going to be in the fight. That being said Lewis is one of the few modern Heavyweights who knew how to make the most of his reach advantage: It's easily conceivable that Lennox could jab his way to a decision win or soften Mike up before taking him out with right hands late. This isn't a matchup that I'd be all that comfortable putting money down for one fight, but if they fought 100 times maybe it goes 55-45 in favor of Lewis with Lewis' slight stylistic advantage being offset by the combination of his chin and Tyson's hitting power.

PS. Whoever said the Tucker fight was easy for Tyson needs to go back and rewatch it: That was NOT an easy fight and truth be told neither was the Tillis fight. Come to think of it Tyson was wobbled a handful of times in the first Bruno fight. Some people seem to have selective memory where Tyson is concerned.

Poet

reedickyaluss
02-29-2008, 12:54 AM
Not a great matchup stylistically for Tyson but better than the Foreman matchup. I think the critical question for this fight is which Lewis are we talking about? Is it the great all-around fighter that Manny Steward created? Or is it the mechanical nightmare from the first half of his career? If it's the latter than Tyson takes him apart; if it's the former than things get a lot more interesting. Overall I think the Steward trained Lewis was a SLIGHTLY better fighter than Tyson. His suspect chin was the only real weakness I could find in him. That chin and the fact that Tyson can punch means Mike is always going to be in the fight. That being said Lewis is one of the few modern Heavyweights who knew how to make the most of his reach advantage: It's easily conceivable that Lennox could jab his way to a decision win or soften Mike up before taking him out with right hands late. This isn't a matchup that I'd be all that comfortable putting money down for one fight, but if they fought 100 times maybe it goes 55-45 in favor of Lewis with Lewis' slight stylistic advantage being offset by the combination of his chin and Tyson's hitting power.

PS. Whoever said the Tucker fight was easy for Tyson needs to go back and rewatch it: That was NOT an easy fight and truth be told neither was the Tillis fight. Come to think of it Tyson was wobbled a handful of times in the first Bruno fight. Some people seem to have selective memory where Tyson is concerned.

Poet

hey poet.. ive messaged u like 4 times.. u never respond?

poet682006
02-29-2008, 12:56 AM
hey poet.. ive messaged u like 4 times.. u never respond?

Hey! Haven't been on much the past couple of months. Combine a OS crash with trouble with Megaupload and oy vey!

Poet

res
02-29-2008, 02:18 AM
Please, don't be silly. Michael Spinks was not only past his weight, but also past his prime. He was also scared to death of Tyson and was only there for a payday. There is no way that the version of the Spinks that showed up to fight Tyson is better than Ray Mercer, Razor Ruddock, Bruno, Morrison, Briggs, Marovich ect. The 1985 version of Michael Spinks beats Tyson.



Styles makes fights. According to you, i could say that Tyson had two hard fights with Ruddock while Lennox dispatched him easily in 2 rounds. Also, Lennox would have beaten Bruno anyway. Bruno had horrible stamina and even if Lennox didn't land that punch, he would have eventually caught up with Bruno and stopped him. Your bias for Tyson needs a little rethinking.:)



I would say your seeming bias against Tyson needs rethinking, one is no more profitable than the other. Ray Mercer would beat prime Tyson?


Ummm, Spinx was the (rightful) heavyweight champion of the world and had just come off a seven win spree, the last two fights ending by knockouts in the early rounds. People see him as past his prime only because of what happened to him in the Tyson fight, many picked Spinx to win (in the footage before the fight there were even interviews with some celebrities that picked Spinx over Tyson).

Bruno would have won anyway? all I know is what happened. The Ruddock fight is not an analogy with the Bruno fight since in neither one of these fights (in which Tyson was passed his prime) was Ruddock dominating Tyson the way Bruno was Lewis.

res
02-29-2008, 02:20 AM
Not a great matchup stylistically for Tyson but better than the Foreman matchup. I think the critical question for this fight is which Lewis are we talking about? Is it the great all-around fighter that Manny Steward created? Or is it the mechanical nightmare from the first half of his career? If it's the latter than Tyson takes him apart; if it's the former than things get a lot more interesting. Overall I think the Steward trained Lewis was a SLIGHTLY better fighter than Tyson. His suspect chin was the only real weakness I could find in him. That chin and the fact that Tyson can punch means Mike is always going to be in the fight. That being said Lewis is one of the few modern Heavyweights who knew how to make the most of his reach advantage: It's easily conceivable that Lennox could jab his way to a decision win or soften Mike up before taking him out with right hands late. This isn't a matchup that I'd be all that comfortable putting money down for one fight, but if they fought 100 times maybe it goes 55-45 in favor of Lewis with Lewis' slight stylistic advantage being offset by the combination of his chin and Tyson's hitting power.


Poet

Good post.