OK this would have been an amazing fight imo. both had good power good skill good footwork good balance. Tyson is quicker but i would say that ike might have had a better chin. I think this is a 50/50 fight i wouldn't want to put money on it but i would say tyson by a very close SD.

OK this would have been an amazing fight imo. both had good power good skill good footwork good balance. Tyson is quicker but i would say that ike might have had a better chin. I think this is a 50/50 fight i wouldn't want to put money on it but i would say tyson by a very close SD.

Ike wasn't half the fighter tyson was. He's getting stopped late after a lopsided beating.:fing02:

Ike wasn't half the fighter tyson was. He's getting stopped late after a lopsided beating.:fing02:

I think tyson was better but Ike's style was very similar to holyfield so i think ike would make the fight close and his strength would give mike problems. ike would be able to back tyson up and that would be trouble for mike. mike's speed and power would give ike trouble. i just cant see mike giving ike a lopsided beating i say tyson SD.

Tyson couldn't hurt Ike but Ike could hurt Tyson. The first few rounds would be fast and furious but eventually Mike would tire and then he'd be knocked out.

Titoi is right, and Tyson was not better than Ike at all, Ike had the all around better skills. if Ike could go 12 rounds slugging with a prime Tua, he would definatley knock Tyson out because Tyson did not like to be in a hard fight. Ike was a bigger version of Evander Holyfield. he would do what Holyfield did to Tyson but only quicker and worse. we would have found this out if Ike did not go to jail for rape.:boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

OK this would have been an amazing fight imo. both had good power good skill good footwork good balance. Tyson is quicker but i would say that ike might have had a better chin. I think this is a 50/50 fight i wouldn't want to put money on it but i would say tyson by a very close SD.Which version of Mike are we talkin' about here? I have Mike winning by a UD but there's definitely gonna be alot of close rounds. Ike can handle Tyson's power, it's Tyson's speed that he's gonna have problems with. Tyson on the other hand will have problems because of Ike's workrate, resiliency, and size. Both guys have tough chins.

realistically, Mike knocks him out. I can just picture it.

Tyson would blind him with his hand speed. KO 6

realistically, Mike knocks him out. I can just picture it.

I just cant see it my self but maybe I am wrong we will never know. The reason i think it would be a close is that ibeabuchi and holyfield's styles where very similar and we know the problems holyfield gave him. I think that Tyson would win a decision against ike in his prime I think this is fair enough, If ike hadn’t gone to prison they may well have had a fight in the early 00's by this point I think ike would have worn down Tyson with his amazing work rate and Ko'd him late on.

Ike was getting outboxed by an active David Tua, a fighter incredibly inferior compared to a prime Mike Tyson when it comes to skill, speed and intelligence and also versatility. I see this fight going like the Tua-Ike fight, minus the heavy load of inside fighting. Tyson with his jab and good head movement would do well on the outside, but would do even better on the inside. Tyson's arsenal of combinations would score him point. Good old uppercut to the body and head, flurry of hooks to the body, crouching and ducking jabs and hooks, to deliver that left hook. This would score Tyson points. I think the President would have to stay on the outside and work his jab, stay active on all ends and not slug too much. Slugging with a prime Tyson is risky, wether you have a granite chin or not, you can't deny the punching ability of a young Tyson. Iron Mike by UD.
Honestly, Ibeabuchi looked great in his fights, but we most not overrate him. I've seen his flaws, and there are quite a few fighters that would expose him.

Ike was getting outboxed by an active David Tua, a fighter incredibly inferior compared to a prime Mike Tyson when it comes to skill, speed and intelligence and also versatility. I see this fight going like the Tua-Ike fight, minus the heavy load of inside fighting. Tyson with his jab and good head movement would do well on the outside, but would do even better on the inside. Tyson's arsenal of combinations would score him point. Good old uppercut to the body and head, flurry of hooks to the body, crouching and ducking jabs and hooks, to deliver that left hook. This would score Tyson points. I think the President would have to stay on the outside and work his jab, stay active on all ends and not slug too much. Slugging with a prime Tyson is risky, wether you have a granite chin or not, you can't deny the punching ability of a young Tyson. Iron Mike by UD.
Honestly, Ibeabuchi looked great in his fights, but we most not overrate him. I've seen his flaws, and there are quite a few fighters that would expose him.

its funny how people on this site is sprung on Tyson. Tyson was nothing more than a hype job. everytime that Tyson has stepped up, he has crumbled. tell me what fighter that Tyson has beaten thats was on the level of Ike? NOBODY! Ike beat Tua in his prime and that was back when Tua was a force to be reckoned with and everybody ducked him. and Ike was not being out boxed by Tua, he won a UD so how was he being out boxed? they were slugging the whole time. Tyson would get worn down and knocked out by Ike. when someone is still there after Tyson was even landing his big bombs, Tyson would get discourged and you know Ike had a cast iron chin so hes not going anywhere. Ike is a bigger version of Evander Holyfield and was extremly technically sound. tell me how Tyson would cope with the volume, pressure, and great boxing skill of Ike. Ike stood there with prime Tua and and took all of his shots, for me, that was a preview of the Ike vs Tyson fight because Ike showed me what he would do with a power puncher like Tua and Tyson. Ike would definatley knock Tyson out under 10 rounds. :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

Ike was getting outboxed by an active David Tua, a fighter incredibly inferior compared to a prime Mike Tyson when it comes to skill, speed and intelligence and also versatility. I see this fight going like the Tua-Ike fight, minus the heavy load of inside fighting. Tyson with his jab and good head movement would do well on the outside, but would do even better on the inside. Tyson's arsenal of combinations would score him point. Good old uppercut to the body and head, flurry of hooks to the body, crouching and ducking jabs and hooks, to deliver that left hook. This would score Tyson points. I think the President would have to stay on the outside and work his jab, stay active on all ends and not slug too much. Slugging with a prime Tyson is risky, wether you have a granite chin or not, you can't deny the punching ability of a young Tyson. Iron Mike by UD.
Honestly, Ibeabuchi looked great in his fights, but we most not overrate him. I've seen his flaws, and there are quite a few fighters that would expose him.

I see it similar to this with tyson's speed being the deciding factor in a close fight. I actually think that come forward fighters would suite Ike well guys like frazier tua marciano, the fighters that ike would have real trouble against imo are guys like holmes ali etc who have great jabs and movement those are the people that would beat ike easy not guys like tyson imo.

its funny how people on this site is sprung on Tyson. Tyson was nothing more than a hype job. everytime that Tyson has stepped up, he has crumbled. tell me what fighter that Tyson has beaten thats was on the level of Ike? NOBODY! Ike beat Tua in his prime and that was back when Tua was a force to be reckoned with and everybody ducked him. and Ike was not being out boxed by Tua, he won a UD so how was he being out boxed? they were slugging the whole time. Tyson would get worn down and knocked out by Ike. when someone is still there after Tyson was even landing his big bombs, Tyson would get discourged and you know Ike had a cast iron chin so hes not going anywhere. Ike is a bigger version of Evander Holyfield and was extremly technically sound. tell me how Tyson would cope with the volume, pressure, and great boxing skill of Ike. Ike stood there with prime Tua and and took all of his shots, for me, that was a preview of the Ike vs Tyson fight because Ike showed me what he would do with a power puncher like Tua and Tyson. Ike would definatley knock Tyson out under 10 rounds. :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

You have some incredibly hypocritical arguments here and show a complete lack of boxing knowledge. Let me just display your ignorance here.

First, Tyson was nothing more than a hype job? Maybe later in his career, but when he was the champ in the 80s he beat everybody at the top, unified all the titles and had 9 title defences. All of this in a span of 2/4 years. He had shown us enough by then, to compare and match him up against the ATG's. What has Ike Ibeabuchi done? 2 solid wins against up and coming fighters, 1 very impressive the other one a close fight. Then he goes to jail and is finished. Is this enough to claim redicilous things like "Ike beats Lewis, Tyson, Dempsey etc" when the guy hasn't been tested enough, and never fought for the title?
Second, can you name me a fighter that Ike has beaten that was on the level of a prime Mike Tyson? Not the tattoo faced guy you've seen the last few years, a YOUNG PRIME TYSON. You keep thinking of the guy that came out of prison with ring rust and not the same determination as the young kid that believed he was a warrior with his catskills team.

Tua doesn't even come close to Tyson, you need more than a granite chin and left hook to be great which is why Tua never became champion. Byrd was doing well untill he was caught by a huge punch, and he was a good boxer and I respect him. But he was never GREAT either.

Tyson may not have beaten a physical specimen like Ike, but he was close enough. Big powerful sluggers with heart? Ruddock and Bruno. Technical Boxers with skill? Holmes, Tucker, Tillis, Williams, Tubbs and even Stewart, Spinks, Biggs and Thomas. I know you're gonna write these names off as bums but if you watch fights you can see they were skilled fighters. I already know you have no credibility so I don't expect you to be objective.

Lets move on. Tua was scoring big with his left hooks, he just didn't use it enough. Tyson had a faster and more accurate left hook, could counter with it and throw from diffirent angles. Ike's best shot was his overhand right imo, and his left uppercut was good too. The reason he was landing his punches so often was because Tua doesn't have defence, and kept his hands low while trying to slip punches with his shoulder. This didn't work. Tyson would be moving his head, bob and weave thus being much harder to hit, and confuse Ike while countering with hooks. What I meant earlier is that every time Tua was letting his hands go and becoming more active, he would get the better of it. And Tyson is a better puncher, more skilled and much faster than Tua. If Ike would slug with him, he would be outslugged, if he would box Tyson to a UD, he might stand a chance. Close the gab in close, push Tyson back and control the pace with his jab. then he could do it. He never had the chance to show it because he was a psychopath that belongs in jail, even though he could've been a shoulda been.

I see it similar to this with tyson's speed being the deciding factor in a close fight. I actually think that come forward fighters would suite Ike well guys like frazier tua marciano, the fighters that ike would have real trouble against imo are guys like holmes ali etc who have great jabs and movement those are the people that would beat ike easy not guys like tyson imo.

Well he aint no George Foreman so I don't think we can put the sticky "slugger beats swarmer" on this argument yet. Durable fighters that had speed with combinations would fare well, like a Tyson, frazier and Dempsey. Tua was just loading up big punches the whole fight.

You have some incredibly hypocritical arguments here and show a complete lack of boxing knowledge. Let me just display your ignorance here.

First, Tyson was nothing more than a hype job? Maybe later in his career, but when he was the champ in the 80s he beat everybody at the top, unified all the titles and had 9 title defences. All of this in a span of 2/4 years. He had shown us enough by then, to compare and match him up against the ATG's. What has Ike Ibeabuchi done? 2 solid wins against up and coming fighters, 1 very impressive the other one a close fight. Then he goes to jail and is finished. Is this enough to claim redicilous things like "Ike beats Lewis, Tyson, Dempsey etc" when the guy hasn't been tested enough, and never fought for the title?
Second, can you name me a fighter that Ike has beaten that was on the level of a prime Mike Tyson? Not the tattoo faced guy you've seen the last few years, a YOUNG PRIME TYSON. You keep thinking of the guy that came out of prison with ring rust and not the same determination as the young kid that believed he was a warrior with his catskills team.

Tua doesn't even come close to Tyson, you need more than a granite chin and left hook to be great which is why Tua never became champion. Byrd was doing well untill he was caught by a huge punch, and he was a good boxer and I respect him. But he was never GREAT either.

Tyson may not have beaten a physical specimen like Ike, but he was close enough. Big powerful sluggers with heart? Ruddock and Bruno. Technical Boxers with skill? Holmes, Tucker, Tillis, Williams, Tubbs and even Stewart, Spinks, Biggs and Thomas. I know you're gonna write these names off as bums but if you watch fights you can see they were skilled fighters. I already know you have no credibility so I don't expect you to be objective.

Lets move on. Tua was scoring big with his left hooks, he just didn't use it enough. Tyson had a faster and more accurate left hook, could counter with it and throw from diffirent angles. Ike's best shot was his overhand right imo, and his left uppercut was good too. The reason he was landing his punches so often was because Tua doesn't have defence, and kept his hands low while trying to slip punches with his shoulder. This didn't work. Tyson would be moving his head, bob and weave thus being much harder to hit, and confuse Ike while countering with hooks. What I meant earlier is that every time Tua was letting his hands go and becoming more active, he would get the better of it. And Tyson is a better puncher, more skilled and much faster than Tua. If Ike would slug with him, he would be outslugged, if he would box Tyson a UD, he might stand a chance. Close the gab in close, push Tyson back and control the pace with his jab. then he could do it. He never had the chance to show it because he was a psychopath that belongs in jail, even though he could've been a shoulda been.



Well he aint no George Foreman so I don't think we can put the sticky "slugger beats swarmer" on this argument yet. Durable fighters that had speed with combinations would fare well, like a Tyson, frazier and Dempsey. Tua was just loading up big punches the whole fight.

Tyson was being protected when he was brought up in his carreer and Ike fought and beat fighters that were being ducked. and both prime Chris Byrd and prime David Tua are on the level of Tyson because Tyson never beat a great fighter in his prime. give me a great fighter that he beat who was in his prime when they fought? there was nobody. he beat great fighters like Holmes and Spinks when they were past thier prime and scared. i cannot convince yall Tyson fans because yall will not believe anything thats negative about Tyson. and Tommy Morrison knocked Rudduck out and Tyson fought life and death with him twice. same thing with quick Tillis, Morrison looked good against him and knocked him out, i read later that Tyson said that he wanted to quit against Tillis. that right there proves my point that Tyson is overratted. :boxing: :boxing: and two words BUSTER DOUGLAS! enough said!

Tillis - not a particularly strong-chinned fighter - is the guy I think of when trying to imagine how Tyson would fare against Ike. If Tyson couldn't put you out of there within a few rounds, his speed degraded significantly and his will to win also seemed to suffer. In addition to having a stout beard, Ibeabuchi had a ludicrous workrate and stamina. So, while Tyson had a big edge in speed which combined with his unpredictable angles of attack would have caused any fighter problems in the beginning of the bout, his performance past four or five rounds would be his undoing. Of course, Mike might get in the combo that punches Ike's ticket, but it seems a low probability event. That Mike would slow down and get discouraged seems pretty much a certainty. If the bout went past the first four rounds - and I think it would - Ibeabuchi would be able to land enough power punches to put Tyson out of there.

Well he aint no George Foreman so I don't think we can put the sticky "slugger beats swarmer" on this argument yet. Durable fighters that had speed with combinations would fare well, like a Tyson, frazier and Dempsey. Tua was just loading up big punches the whole fight.

i wasnt saying he would beat tyson and frazier just saying that those would have been good fights.

Tillis - not a particularly strong-chinned fighter - is the guy I think of when trying to imagine how Tyson would fare against Ike. If Tyson couldn't put you out of there within a few rounds, his speed degraded significantly and his will to win also seemed to suffer. In addition to having a stout beard, Ibeabuchi had a ludicrous workrate and stamina. So, while Tyson had a big edge in speed which combined with his unpredictable angles of attack would have caused any fighter problems in the beginning of the bout, his performance past four or five rounds would be his undoing. Of course, Mike might get in the combo that punches Ike's ticket, but it seems a low probability event. That Mike would slow down and get discouraged seems pretty much a certainty. If the bout went past the first four rounds - and I think it would - Ibeabuchi would be able to land enough power punches to put Tyson out of there.

and thats exactly what i mean. Tyson would get discouraged if you are still there even after he landed his big bombs. he would mentally break down. thats the definition of a front runner. :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

Tyson was being protected when he was brought up in his carreer and Ike fought and beat fighters that were being ducked. and both prime Chris Byrd and prime David Tua are on the level of Tyson because Tyson never beat a great fighter in his prime. give me a great fighter that he beat who was in his prime when they fought? there was nobody. he beat great fighters like Holmes and Spinks when they were past thier prime and scared. i cannot convince yall Tyson fans because yall will not believe anything thats negative about Tyson. and Tommy Morrison knocked Rudduck out and Tyson fought life and death with him twice. same thing with quick Tillis, Morrison looked good against him and knocked him out, i read later that Tyson said that he wanted to quit against Tillis. that right there proves my point that Tyson is overratted. :boxing: :boxing: and two words BUSTER DOUGLAS! enough said!

This is getting really redicilous. I bring in their in ring fight styles and state most of my reasons on their strategic abilites in the fight and you're still whining about Tyson being overrated and all of that crap. You really do not know your boxing and are obviously very green to the game.
Define great please. Tyson never beat prime All Time Greats, but he beat a lot of fighters that were better than good, and that makes his resume respectable overall.
I already mentioned many names, but I won't expect you to know them.

Tyson was protected when he was on his way to a title fight, not when he was tearing the devision apart in the late 80s.

Morrison got ahold of Tyson's leftovers, and I don't know why you're bringing up Morrison here since we're talking about Ibeabuchi vs Tyson.

Tell me where you made up that comment about Tillis.

There was no shame in losing to the Buster Douglass that fought that night, and like I said earlier, atleast Tyson was tested against Douglass. The president only had 20 fights for crying out loud, his real test was going to be against Lewis one day, but it never happened because you know why.

and both prime Chris Byrd and prime David Tua are on the level of Tyson

That right there exposes you as a joke, but I guess you already were when you claimed Dawson KO's prime Roy Jones Jr. You seem to like young unaccompished fighters that haven't proven themselves yet huh?
Please son, study up first.

Tillis - not a particularly strong-chinned fighter - is the guy I think of when trying to imagine how Tyson would fare against Ike. If Tyson couldn't put you out of there within a few rounds, his speed degraded significantly and his will to win also seemed to suffer. In addition to having a stout beard, Ibeabuchi had a ludicrous workrate and stamina. So, while Tyson had a big edge in speed which combined with his unpredictable angles of attack would have caused any fighter problems in the beginning of the bout, his performance past four or five rounds would be his undoing. Of course, Mike might get in the combo that punches Ike's ticket, but it seems a low probability event. That Mike would slow down and get discouraged seems pretty much a certainty. If the bout went past the first four rounds - and I think it would - Ibeabuchi would be able to land enough power punches to put Tyson out of there.

No dissrespect, but you are also thinking too much about post prison Tyson. Lets just forget about that version, because he no longer had the heart, hunger and physical abilites.
Have you ever watched Tyson vs Tucker? Anyone that has ever been in the ring will understand what stamina and endurance is needed when 2 guys are working as hard as that. When Tyson fought Tillis, the fight was actually very close, and Tyson needed to win the last round to secure a victory. He won the last round convincingly. When he beat Green, he said he could go for another 10 rounds, he was still very fresh. Not bad for a no stamina having, bullying, discouraged quitter. See, the young Tyson that was trained by Kevin Rooney had tremendous heart, trained harder than anybody else and had great stamina and workrate. But I agree that sometimes he got tired or even discouraged, but his fighting style is extremely exhausting combined with his size disadvantage with big guys leaning on him, so I understand that. And Ike would push him to his limits with his tremendous stamina, endurance and skill. But styles wise and physically he'd fall short.
I just don't think we should write Tyson off because he 'had no heart' or was 'discouraged after a few rounds' because they simply aren't true.

This is getting really redicilous. I bring in their in ring fight styles and state most of my reasons on their strategic abilites in the fight and you're still whining about Tyson being overrated and all of that crap. You really do not know your boxing and are obviously very green to the game.
Define great please. Tyson never beat prime All Time Greats, but he beat a lot of fighters that were better than good, and that makes his resume respectable overall.
I already mentioned many names, but I won't expect you to know them.

Tyson was protected when he was on his way to a title fight, not when he was tearing the devision apart in the late 80s.

Morrison got ahold of Tyson's leftovers, and I don't know why you're bringing up Morrison here since we're talking about Ibeabuchi vs Tyson.

Tell me where you made up that comment about Tillis.

There was no shame in losing to the Buster Douglass that fought that night, and like I said earlier, atleast Tyson was tested against Douglass. The president only had 20 fights for crying out loud, his real test was going to be against Lewis one day, but it never happened because you know why.



That right there exposes you as a joke, but I guess you already were when you claimed Dawson KO's prime Roy Jones Jr. You seem to like young unaccompished fighters that haven't proven themselves yet huh?
Please son, study up first.

i know alot about boxing and i am a long time boxing fan so tell me a great fighter that Tyson beat? and i don't mean an all time great, just a great champion. again, there is nobody. and you are not proving anything at all, you are just tyring to boost Tyson up with nutthugging and excuses for Tyson. and tell me how Tyson was tested in the Douglas fight? since when does being tested means getting dominated and exposed? but i can tell from your avatar that you are another Tyson junky who won't accept the truth. and when i chose Dawson, that was my opinion and i actually believe it. you don't really believe that Tyson would beat Ike but you are just a big fan so you will say anything to try to prove it. even if it does not make sense, which it don't. and that actually exposes you as a joke. Tyson would beat everybody to you. you need to look at both Tyson and Ike fight and post again and maybe you will post with common sense and look past the fact that you are a fan of Tyson. do research. :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

I see you're trying to twist everything I say. Well I'm having too much fun making you look foolish, so I'll keep responding today.

i know alot about boxing and i am a long time boxing fan so tell me a great fighter that Tyson beat?

Sure sure, make things up son, makes you look real credible. No one in their right mind would say something insane like Dawson, an unproven up and comer would brutally KO an all time great in Jones JR. Or say that Chris Byrd and David Tua are on the level of a prime Mike Tyson. I don't have to worry here, as long as you're running your mouth this list will continue.
In my opinion Tyson beat a handfull of great fighters, and many that were between good and great(not all time great). However, a few big names don't define a great fighter every time. It's about resume, and Tyson OVERALL wasn't as bad as you're crying about. Larry Holmes, past his prime was still a great fighter. This man went 21-3 after his loss to Tyson, and he beat prime Ray Mercer, gave prime Evander Holyfield a tough fight, and still continued to beat some decent fighter going into his 50s. All of this after Tyson. Tony Tucker, unbeaten belt holder with great speed and good skill and size, went on a 5 year winning streak after Tyson and ran into Lennox Lewis when he lost some speed. All of this could be some great homework for you son. Go ahead and study up, you might learn something about the sport.

and you are not proving anything at all, you are just tyring to boost Tyson up with nutthugging and excuses for Tyson.

Hmm, not really original here son. I've heard this one way too many times. try to go for something more spicy. How about "Get Tyson's D*&#% out of you mouth! LOL!!:loser: "
Never boosted Tyson, you boosted Ike Ibeabuchi up when he only beat 2 solid contenders, had only fought for a few years before he was gone.
Never made ecuses for Tyson. Tell me where I went the usual "Tyson wasn't in his prime against Douglass" routine? You heard me whining about the long 9 count by the ref? No? Good, now move on kid. You have nothing on me, you're just making stuff up while I keep exposing you with your Dawson, Tua-Byrd and Ike comments.

and tell me how Tyson was tested in the Douglas fight? since when does being tested means getting dominated and exposed? but i can tell from your avatar that you are another Tyson junky who won't accept the truth. and when i chose Dawson, that was my opinion and i actually believe it. you don't really believe that Tyson would beat Ike but you are just a big fan so you will say anything to try to prove it. even if it does not make sense, which it don't. and that actually exposes you as a joke. Tyson would beat everybody to you. you need to look at both Tyson and Ike fight and post again and maybe you will post with common sense and look past the fact that you are a fan of Tyson. do research.

Because Tyson was pushed to his limits, and responded with a 9 count knockdown before falling short and being KO'd himself. Ike was never pushed to his limits, like I said, a fight against Lewis would have been his true test but he likes the girls too much.
Kid, I'm known around here as one of the few credible Tyson fans. I rate Tyson underneath the top 10 HWs, I pick fighters like Ali, Foreman, Liston, Lewis, Holmes etc above him in a fight. You are in no position to tell me i'm a Tyson nuthugging joke when you have NOTHING that can support your statement, while I have comments from you that go something like "Dawson KO's prime Jones Jr. LMAO" "David Tua and Chris Byrd are on the same level as prime Mike Tyson". Cut the crap and lets talk Boxing. I'm actually trying to educate you here.

Prime Tyson would KO prime Ike inside 4 rounds.

Prime Tyson would KO prime Ike inside 4 rounds.

i couldn't see that happening

No dissrespect, ... When Tyson fought Tillis, the fight was actually very close, and Tyson needed to win the last round to secure a victory. He won the last round convincingly. ... See, the young Tyson that was trained by Kevin Rooney had tremendous heart, trained harder than anybody else and had great stamina and workrate. But I agree that sometimes he got tired or even discouraged, but his fighting style is extremely exhausting combined with his size disadvantage with big guys leaning on him, so I understand that. And Ike would push him to his limits with his tremendous stamina, endurance and skill. But styles wise and physically he'd fall short.
I just don't think we should write Tyson off because he 'had no heart' or was 'discouraged after a few rounds' because they simply aren't true.

Always nice to have a respectful conversation whether our conclusions are the same or not. I agree about the young Mike - he was really and truly a phenom and seemed to be so both in and out of the ring. I loved how he was such a soft-spoken student of the game outside the ring and the heart of technical ferocity in it. But that didn't last long enough for those of us who watched his rise with such excitement. His fight with Tillis was if anything a bit before his real prime and before he'd reached the peak of his abilities and confidence. The fact he had such a hard time with a good and physical but soft-chinned technician seemed to me to signal his ultimate limitations. I'm certainly not thinking about him after the prison stretch because I honestly just stopped watching him - he'd thrown so much talent away. As did Ibeabuchi. How their fight would have gone is anyone's guess. Mine is that Mike would either knock out Ike within four or would have been knocked out before the final bell. As a betting man, I'd say the latter was more likely, but.... we'll sadly never know ;^>

Tyson was being protected when he was brought up in his carreer and Ike fought and beat fighters that were being ducked. and both prime Chris Byrd and prime David Tua are on the level of Tyson because Tyson never beat a great fighter in his prime. give me a great fighter that he beat who was in his prime when they fought? there was nobody. he beat great fighters like Holmes and Spinks when they were past thier prime and scared. i cannot convince yall Tyson fans because yall will not believe anything thats negative about Tyson. and Tommy Morrison knocked Rudduck out and Tyson fought life and death with him twice. same thing with quick Tillis, Morrison looked good against him and knocked him out, i read later that Tyson said that he wanted to quit against Tillis. that right there proves my point that Tyson is overratted. and two words BUSTER DOUGLAS! enough said!

Who at the time do you think could have beaten him? Lennox Lewis got annihilated in the 80's during a sparring session so I can't see that working.

I suggest you listen to Yaman, he knows more than most people on this forum, including you.

I see you're trying to twist everything I say. Well I'm having too much fun making you look foolish, so I'll keep responding today.



Sure sure, make things up son, makes you look real credible. No one in their right mind would say something insane like Dawson, an unproven up and comer would brutally KO an all time great in Jones JR. Or say that Chris Byrd and David Tua are on the level of a prime Mike Tyson. I don't have to worry here, as long as you're running your mouth this list will continue.
In my opinion Tyson beat a handfull of great fighters, and many that were between good and great(not all time great). However, a few big names don't define a great fighter every time. It's about resume, and Tyson OVERALL wasn't as bad as you're crying about. Larry Holmes, past his prime was still a great fighter. This man went 21-3 after his loss to Tyson, and he beat prime Ray Mercer, gave prime Evander Holyfield a tough fight, and still continued to beat some decent fighter going into his 50s. All of this after Tyson. Tony Tucker, unbeaten belt holder with great speed and good skill and size, went on a 5 year winning streak after Tyson and ran into Lennox Lewis when he lost some speed. All of this could be some great homework for you son. Go ahead and study up, you might learn something about the sport.



Hmm, not really original here son. I've heard this one way too many times. try to go for something more spicy. How about "Get Tyson's D*&#% out of you mouth! LOL!!:loser: "
Never boosted Tyson, you boosted Ike Ibeabuchi up when he only beat 2 solid contenders, had only fought for a few years before he was gone.
Never made ecuses for Tyson. Tell me where I went the usual "Tyson wasn't in his prime against Douglass" routine? You heard me whining about the long 9 count by the ref? No? Good, now move on kid. You have nothing on me, you're just making stuff up while I keep exposing you with your Dawson, Tua-Byrd and Ike comments.



Because Tyson was pushed to his limits, and responded with a 9 count knockdown before falling short and being KO'd himself. Ike was never pushed to his limits, like I said, a fight against Lewis would have been his true test but he likes the girls too much.
Kid, I'm known around here as one of the few credible Tyson fans. I rate Tyson underneath the top 10 HWs, I pick fighters like Ali, Foreman, Liston, Lewis, Holmes etc above him in a fight. You are in no position to tell me i'm a Tyson nuthugging joke when you have NOTHING that can support your statement, while I have comments from you that go something like "Dawson KO's prime Jones Jr. LMAO" "David Tua and Chris Byrd are on the same level as prime Mike Tyson". Cut the crap and lets talk Boxing. I'm actually trying to educate you here.

i really enjoy proving people like you wrong, i do it all the time so i am use to this. see thats how i know that you can not prove that Tyson could beat Ike. you wright all of these paragraphs but don't get into comparing styles. again, how can Tyson cope with the ability, skill, stamina, and punch volume of Ike. the man set records for heavyweights for throwing all of those punches. he had the best stamina i have seen for a heavyweight. and why can't you give me a great fighter that Tyson beat in thier prime? don't try to say that Holmes was still a great fighter, don't be silly. he was past his prime and scared so you can toss that one out. Holmes would eat Tyson for lunch if they fought in thier primes. and not only was M. Spinks past his prime, but he was also past his prime fighting weight. he was at his prime when he was a light heavyweight. he had no buisness being in the ring with Tyson. and if you know soooooo much, then tell me why everytime Tyson stepped up with real fighters, he was always knocked out? and about Dawson vs Jones. Dawson has every tool to beat Roy. and why are you twisting MY words up? you are just trying to make me sound stupid. you have to try harder kid because i do not get discourged in a thread. i am experienced when it comes to debating about boxing. if you would read corectly, you would have read that i said that Dawson would out point Roy. i was joking about him knocking him out. prime Roy was just a middleweight or supermiddleweight so Dawson would have size advantage and a 3 inch height advangage. Roy has always had trouble with southpaw boxers. (Tarver) and Dawson is 10 times the fighter that Tarver is. and its so funny how you actually come on a forum and think you actumatically know more than the other poster son. you really need to do research. and i don't know what makes you think im a kid, i have 25 years of boxing knowledge so go figure. anwser the questions that i asked in this post and i might take you seriously. Oh and the last thing, why aren't Tua and Byrd on the same level as Tyson? Tua has knocked out about 5 future world champions and he was past his prime when he did it. and Ike is the one that broke the spirit of prime Tua. when Ike took all of his shots and came back with his his own combo's, Tua was discourge and was not hungry any more after that. I would give PRIME Tua a good chance against Tyson as well. when Tua trained properly and was in shape, he was a force to be reckoned with. Massive power, decent speed, and good combinations, and he definatley had a better chin and heart than Tyson did. he would out work Tyson and stop him late in my opinion. you can not tell me that Tyson would actually take all of the shots that Tua did in the Ike fight. he was nowhere near tough as Tua was. and Byrd was a beast also. Im not sure if i would favor him over Tyson or not but he accomplished some great things in boxing. after Ike beat him, he went on to become a 2 time world champion. actually Tyson was only a 2 or 3 time champ so how is he on a different level than Byrd or Tua? trust me, do not believe the hype kid. Tyson was a good fighter but he was not a great. his greatest claim to fame is becoming the youngest heavyweight champ of all time. but outside of that, he really did not accomplished alot. like i said before, every time he stepped up, he always crumbled in his biggest fights. with Evander Holyfield, Tyson's people choose him because they thought that he was done because he looked shot in his last few fights. what happened? Holyfield dominated Tyson twice and Holyfield was past his prime. and i see that you are still trying to give Tyson credit for the Douglas lost. and why is this? so what if he showed heart or what ever you are tyring to say. when you are a 42 to 1 favorite, showing heart and getting up against the underdog is not a thing to be bragging about. that was one of if not the biggest upset of all time. he deserves no credit. that fight is the perfect example of being exposed. Douglass showed everybody that Tyson fought down the road, that if you hang in there and give Tyson a hard fight, he will break down mentally. and don't tell me that Tyson was past his prime because he was not. he was undefeated and he was the heavyweight champion of the world. how was he past his prime? Now about Ike, this man was on his way to greatness, he had the look of a champion, potential, heart, will, cast iron chin, volume punching, and stamina to match. you cannot doubt this fighter. i remember when his people was just talking about a possible fight with Tyson or Lennox and they both actually tried to avoid him because he was so dangerous. and if you don't believe that they avoided him, i can actually go and try to find the article if you want me too. i have no reason to lie. i know boxing man, you can not tell me nothing that i don't already know. and this is out of my character and i don't usually do this but :owned: :owned:

Who at the time do you think could have beaten him? Lennox Lewis got annihilated in the 80's during a sparring session so I can't see that working.

I suggest you listen to Yaman, he knows more than most people on this forum, including you.

why don't you stop hugging his nuts and speak for yourself. and its funny how you tell somebody that another person knows more than them when you don't even know the person. :owned: and to prove how unintelligent you are, Tyson and Lewis was teenagers at the time they spared so there is no significance to that. if you go by that, then good luck! and im not sure who could have beaten Ike. the man had everything and he did not show a weakness, that was the scary part about him.

i really enjoy proving people like you wrong, i do it all the time so i am use to this. see thats how i know that you can not prove that Tyson could beat Ike. you wright all of these paragraphs but don't get into comparing styles.

Sigh, another lie. You've been debating boxing for years? Well you sure as heck aren't making it easier for someone when you fill a huge post with lies, hypocritical arguments, laughable statements regarding fighters and avoiding just about everything I mentioned. And all of this crammed into a post. Well done.

again, how can Tyson cope with the ability, skill, stamina, and punch volume of Ike. the man set records for heavyweights for throwing all of those punches. he had the best stamina i have seen for a heavyweight.

I believe I already gave my assessment of how the fight might have went:

"Tua was scoring big with his left hooks, he just didn't use it enough. Tyson had a faster and more accurate left hook, could counter with it and throw from diffirent angles. Ike's best shot was his overhand right imo, and his left uppercut was good too. The reason he was landing his punches so often was because Tua doesn't have defence, and kept his hands low while trying to slip punches with his shoulder. This didn't work. Tyson would be moving his head, bob and weave thus being much harder to hit, and confuse Ike while countering with hooks. What I meant earlier is that every time Tua was letting his hands go and becoming more active, he would get the better of it. And Tyson is a better puncher, more skilled and much faster than Tua. If Ike would slug with him, he would be outslugged, if he would box Tyson to a UD, he might stand a chance. Close the gab in close, push Tyson back and control the pace with his jab. then he could do it."

Here is mine, where is yours? I mean, aren't you such a great Boxing expert? Where is it, I can't seem to find it in your post since 80% of it is filled with Tyson being overrated that, and this etc which has nothing to with the the topic.

and why can't you give me a great fighter that Tyson beat in thier prime? don't try to say that Holmes was still a great fighter, don't be silly. he was past his prime and scared so you can toss that one out. Holmes would eat Tyson for lunch if they fought in thier primes. and not only was M. Spinks past his prime, but he was also past his prime fighting weight. he was at his prime when he was a light heavyweight. he had no buisness being in the ring with Tyson.

Son, I gave you 2 names that could be considered great(not ATG at the time) and what you're doing here is ignoring what I said about Holmes having a 21-3 record after Tyson, beating Ray Mercer, giving Holyfield a tough fight and going on to win fights into his 50s. You ignored what I said about Tony Tucker, proving my point that you do not know what you're talking about, and lack any kind of boxing knowledge when debates go in depth.
Furthermore, I mentioned his other good-great wins, and agreed that he did not have the record of most top 10 HW ATG's because of lack of Wins over legends. Do you remember when I said I rate Tyson very low in the top Heavyweights list? Well son, this is one of the reasons. But of cource you can still go ahead and call me a Tyson nuthugger, since that makes you feel good.

and if you know soooooo much, then tell me why everytime Tyson stepped up with real fighters, he was always knocked out?

Oh he fought "real fighters" before his losses, they just weren't All Time Great material(Not as famous as Muhammad Ali, which is perhaps why you don't know any of these names). And for your information, Tyson stepped up in his younger career as well. First again Ferguson, then against an experienced Tillis, Thomas and Tucker also gave him something to work hard for, and even though Spinks had nothing to give, you can't tell me there's a lot of pressure on you when you're in the biggest fight of all time. He passed all of these tests with flying colors. Buster I give him credit, and fought like an ATG, and I believe some of the greats would have beaten Tyson the same way.

and about Dawson vs Jones. Dawson has every tool to beat Roy. and why are you twisting MY words up? you are just trying to make me sound stupid. you have to try harder kid because i do not get discourged in a thread. i am experienced when it comes to debating about boxing. if you would read corectly, you would have read that i said that Dawson would out point Roy. i was joking about him knocking him out. prime Roy was just a middleweight or supermiddleweight so Dawson would have size advantage and a 3 inch height advangage. Roy has always had trouble with southpaw boxers. (Tarver) and Dawson is 10 times the fighter that Tarver is.

Whatever you say son, it's in the archives and like I said, you have already destroyed any kind of credibility you ever might have had. You won't find anyone agreeing with you period.

Oh and the last thing, why aren't Tua and Byrd on the same level as Tyson? Tua has knocked out about 5 future world champions and he was past his prime when he did it. and Ike is the one that broke the spirit of prime Tua. when Ike took all of his shots and came back with his his own combo's, Tua was discourge and was not hungry any more after that. I would give PRIME Tua a good chance against Tyson as well. when Tua trained properly and was in shape, he was a force to be reckoned with. Massive power, decent speed, and good combinations, and he definatley had a better chin and heart than Tyson did. he would out work Tyson and stop him late in my opinion. you can not tell me that Tyson would actually take all of the shots that Tua did in the Ike fight. he was nowhere near tough as Tua was. and Byrd was a beast also. Im not sure if i would favor him over Tyson or not but he accomplished some great things in boxing. after Ike beat him, he went on to become a 2 time world champion. actually Tyson was only a 2 or 3 time champ so how is he on a different level than Byrd or Tua?

I'm not waisting my time on this, your ignorance in this part is to behold for everybody. Like I said, can you tell me who agrees with you on this?

Tyson was a good fighter but he was not a great. his greatest claim to fame is becoming the youngest heavyweight champ of all time. but outside of that, he really did not accomplished alot. like i said before, every time he stepped up, he always crumbled in his biggest fights. with Evander Holyfield, Tyson's people choose him because they thought that he was done because he looked shot in his last few fights. what happened? Holyfield dominated Tyson twice and Holyfield was past his prime.

I already went trough this and clearly never judged anything on post prison Tyson. This is completely off topic and you aren't saying anything that hasn't been said a million times on these forums already.

and i see that you are still trying to give Tyson credit for the Douglas lost. and why is this? so what if he showed heart or what ever you are tyring to say. when you are a 42 to 1 favorite, showing heart and getting up against the underdog is not a thing to be bragging about. that was one of if not the biggest upset of all time. he deserves no credit. that fight is the perfect example of being exposed. Douglass showed everybody that Tyson fought down the road, that if you hang in there and give Tyson a hard fight, he will break down mentally. and don't tell me that Tyson was past his prime because he was not. he was undefeated and he was the heavyweight champion of the world. how was he past his prime?

Funny how above you said I was putting words in your mouth even though those were the exact comments I quoted from you, you go ahead and make things up yourself. I never made excuses for Tyson's loss, in fact I gave Buster all the credit he deserves, and never said Mike was past his prime. You clearly misunderstood that, like yo do a lot of things. Or you just made that up again, you can pick.
And to answer your question son, while it is important to give Douglass credit and not make excuses for Tyson, we must keep in mind what Tyson was facing that night. Like I said, Douglass fought like an ATG great that night, and someone that fights like that will beat Tyson atleast once. Ibeabuchi is nothing like James Douglass' so don't try to use this trick here, I know what you're thinking.

Now about Ike, this man was on his way to greatness, he had the look of a champion, potential, heart, will, cast iron chin, volume punching, and stamina to match. you cannot doubt this fighter. i remember when his people was just talking about a possible fight with Tyson or Lennox and they both actually tried to avoid him because he was so dangerous. and if you don't believe that they avoided him, i can actually go and try to find the article if you want me too. i have no reason to lie.

Ike did have it it all, and he could should woulda done thisa thata too, but he never got there, so the fact that so many people give this guy a chance against some of the greatest fighters in the sport is laughable, and you belong in the same boat.
Feel free to post your article, you might look credible for once.

i know boxing man, you can not tell me nothing that i don't already know. and this is out of my character and i don't usually do this but :owned: :owned:

Yes, absolutely. All people have to do is read your posts. Chances are they'll find this:
slicksouthpaw16's BS record
"Dawson KO's prime Roy Jones JR."
"Tua and Byrd are on the same level of prime tyson"
"A fighter shouldn't get credit for showing heart and knocking an opponent down after a domination"
"After a garbage post, I add :owned: :owned: "

wow! i can tell that you are getting dicouraged. you are insulting me over everything i said..LOL! Once again, you have proved nothing and i feel more confident about this debate. we can talk about the other BS you said later but now lets talk about this ridiculously funny and untrue part of your post.
by Yahman
Son, I gave you 2 names that could be considered great(not ATG at the time) and what you're doing here is ignoring what I said about Holmes having a 21-3 record after Tyson, beating Ray Mercer, giving Holyfield a tough fight and going on to win fights into his 50s. You ignored what I said about Tony Tucker, proving my point that you do not know what you're talking about, and lack any kind of boxing knowledge when debates go in depth.
Furthermore, I mentioned his other good-great wins, and agreed that he did not have the record of most top 10 HW ATG's because of lack of Wins over legends. Do you remember when I said I rate Tyson very low in the top Heavyweights list? Well son, this is one of the reasons. But of cource you can still go ahead and call me a Tyson nuthugger, since that makes you feel good.

Lary Holmes was past his prime so that does not count. i don't care what his record was. he was scared and helpless so what significance is there for Tyson? i mean, do you really give him full credit for beating a boxing great who was past his prime? that is in fact being a nutthugger. oh and i didn't know that Toney Tucker was a great champion? i didn't know that Ferguson was a even a good contender? he upset Ray Mercer but that was only because Mercer was fat and out of shape. Bowe demolished Furgeson in 2 ROUNDS and Tyson didn't even knock him out. Fergueson lost by DQ in the 6th. i just proved to you again that Tyson was nothing special. and come on, i don't know what im talking about? tell me one lie that i told? im giving facts and telling the truth and thats the best come back you can make? oh and :owned:

this part of the post you made was the funniest thing that i have heard in here in a while.
by Yahman
Ibeabuchi is nothing like James Douglass' so don't try to use this trick here, I know what you're thinking.
soooooo are you indicating that Douglas is better than Ike, please don't make me laugh. Tyson is the only fighter that Douglas beat and now hes a good fighter to you? don't be silly. oh and don't forget :owned:

By Yahman
Yes, absolutely. All people have to do is read your posts. Chances are they'll find this:
slicksouthpaw16's BS record
"Dawson KO's prime Roy Jones JR."
"Tua and Byrd are on the same level of prime tyson"
"A fighter shouldn't get credit for showing heart and knocking an opponent down after a domination"
"After a garbage post, I add

well thats also a lie. people actually tell me that i make great post and have great boxing knowledge. when people see that i said Dawson would beat Roy, they look at it as just my opinion and they respect that, unlike you. last time :owned: LOL!

wow! i can tell that you are getting dicouraged. you are insulting me over everything i said..LOL! Once again, you have proved nothing and i feel more confident about this debate. we can talk about the other BS you said later but now lets talk about this ridiculously funny and untrue part of your post.

Where have I insulted you? Telling you that you lack knowledge and are ignorant when it comes to Boxing is not a direct insult, but of cource since you might not like it when someone tells you the truth, you find it insulting. Understood.
Now, I'm getting discouraged? Looks to me like I replied to everything you said, and you're the one picking 2 pieces of my posts because your ignorant mind thought he had seen something that you could reply to. Even that is a mistake which I will show you underneath.

Lary Holmes was past his prime so that does not count. i don't care what his record was. he was scared and helpless so what significance is there for Tyson? i mean, do you really give him full credit for beating a boxing great who was past his prime? that is in fact being a nutthugger.

Your question was "What great fighter did Tyson ever beat?"
I responded with 2 names, gave you stats, reasons and facts-and now you're telling me you 'don't care'. Of cource you don't. That's the easiest way out in a losing argument.
Don't get it twisted, Holmes was NOT affraid. What he did in the last round was trying to survive, and he looked helpless because Mike Tyson did something that 74 men could not do. I give him credit for knocking out that version of Holmes(Which imo was still a great fighter), not a young prime Larry holmes.
But I guess in your world, answering you question and proving you wrong at the same time is 'nuthugging'.

oh and i didn't know that Toney Tucker was a great champion?
Of cource you didn't, you probably didn't even know who Tucker was.
And again, your question was "What great fighter did Tyson ever beat?"
Tucker falls into that category. Oh wait, now it's 'what great champion did Tyson ever beat'?? That's what you're implying now. Make up your mind son.

i didn't know that Ferguson was a even a good contender?

That falls under the category of Tyson stepping up, you know, where you said that Tyson was KO'd every single time he stepped up in competition. Your words(see the bolded part) "Why was Tyson KO'd every time he fought better comp?"

he upset Ray Mercer but that was only because Mercer was fat and out of shape.

Ah, I like this one. Remember when you said I made excuses for Tyson? Well looky look what we have here, excuses for Mercer.
He was only a couple of pounds heavier than usual and was simply dominated by Holmes. No excuses, and do realise that you're a hypocrite.

Bowe demolished Furgeson in 2 ROUNDS and Tyson didn't even knock him out. Fergueson lost by DQ in the 6th. i just proved to you again that Tyson was nothing special.

No, you proved to me that STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Hey, you actually learned something today about Boxing without knowing it! Well done.

and come on, i don't know what im talking about? tell me one lie that i told? im giving facts and telling the truth and thats the best come back you can make? oh and :owned:

I believe they're in my post above, which you still haven't replied to. Good luck on that.

this part of the post you made was the funniest thing that i have heard in here in a while.
by Yahman
Ibeabuchi is nothing like James Douglass' so don't try to use this trick here, I know what you're thinking.
soooooo are you indicating that Douglas is better than Ike, please don't make me laugh. Tyson is the only fighter that Douglas beat and now hes a good fighter to you? don't be silly. oh and don't forget :owned:

Now that we're a step further in your knowledge of Boxing, no, that is not what I said. I said that Buster Douglass is not like Ike. I did not say Douglass is better than Ike. I meant that styles wise, they're nothing alike, so you can't use an argument like "Douglas KO'd Tyson so Ike would do it as well". I know, i'm not giving you any chances here, and you continue to twist my words.

well thats also a lie. people actually tell me that i make great post and have great boxing knowledge. when people see that i said Dawson would beat Roy, they look at it as just my opinion and they respect that, unlike you. last time

Sure they do. I saw something diffirent.
Unlike me? Some people this thread agree with me, others kindly disagree and that's what creates good discussions. You thought you could steamroll trough me with awful arguments, that's not something I ignore, especially when I have time to post.

By Yahman
Your question was "What great fighter did Tyson ever beat?"
I responded with 2 names, gave you stats, reasons and facts-and now you're telling me you 'don't care'. Of cource you don't. That's the easiest way out in a losing argument.
Don't get it twisted, Holmes was NOT affraid. What he did in the last round was trying to survive, and he looked helpless because Mike Tyson did something that 74 men could not do. I give him credit for knocking out that version of Holmes(Which imo was still a great fighter), not a young prime Larry holmes.
But I guess in your world, answering you question and proving you wrong at the same time is 'nuthugging'.

Yahman please, i know you have better sense than to give Tyson full credit for knocking out a past his prime boxing great like Holmes. its actually ignorant and disrespectful to his legacy for the simple fact that he would have beaten Tyson in his prime. when fighters like Holmes stay around too long, it kinda messes it up. they should just retire when they are suppose to. he stayed too long and we seen the result. Holmes was beaten by Oliver Mcall as well, but is there any significance for Mcall?

by Yahman
And again, your question was "What great fighter did Tyson ever beat?"
Tucker falls into that category. Oh wait, now it's 'what great champion did Tyson ever beat'?? That's what you're implying now. Make up your mind son.


again, give me a great champion that Tyson beat who was in his prime. Tucker was not a great chamion. he probably was not even a B+ fighter and he didn't even have a good name. NEXT!
By yahman
That falls under the category of Tyson stepping up, you know, where you said that Tyson was KO'd every single time he stepped up in competition. Your words(see the bolded part) "Why was Tyson KO'd every time he fought better comp?"
stepping up? are you serious right now? how is Jesse a step up in competition? he was just another bum that Tyson was suppose to blow out. and i meant that Tyson was knocked out when he competed with the elite like Holyfield.

[by yahmanU]Ah, I like this one. Remember when you said I made excuses for Tyson? Well looky look what we have here, excuses for Mercer.
He was only a couple of pounds heavier than usual and was simply dominated by Holmes. No excuses, and do realise that you're a hypocrite.[/U]
now you are getting my words mixed up. i meant that Mercer was fat and out of shape when Jesse fuergeson beat him. not Holmes. i take nothing away from holmes in that fight. he did a good job on his part.

By yahman
,No, you proved to me that STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Hey, you actually learned something today about Boxing without knowing it! Well done.

it looks bad when Tyson is being more hyped up than Bowe, and Bowe ate Fuergeson up in 2 rounds and Jesse took Tyson into deep waters.

by Yahman,I believe they're in my post above, which you still haven't replied to. Good luck on that.i want you to point out the posts that i didn't reply to because i will never duck a post if that is what you are indicating.
by yahman
Now that we're a step further in your knowledge of Boxing, no, that is not what I said. I said that Buster Douglass is not like Ike. I did not say Douglass is better than Ike. I meant that styles wise, they're nothing alike, so you can't use an argument like "Douglas KO'd Tyson so Ike would do it as well". I know, i'm not giving you any chances here, and you continue to twist my words.


Ike was elite and Douglas was not. its looks bad for Tyson for the simple fact that he was the only top fighter that Douglas beat. im not saying that just because Douglas beat Tyson, Ike would too because styles do make fights. but i think that Ike would just overwhelme Tyson with his overall ability anyway.
By yahmanSure they do. I saw something.diffirent.
Unlike me? Some people this thread agree with me, others kindly disagree and that's what creates good discussions. You thought you could steamroll trough me with awful arguments, that's not something I ignore, especially when I have time to post.[/QUOTE]how did i try to steam roll you? i always attack at posters that try to make it seem that Tyson was an all time great because he was not. believe it or not, i use to be a Tyson junky just like you until someone actually sat down with me and broke it down how Mike was an overratted hype job who never beat a great fighter that was in thier prime. he also ducked old george Foreman and thats speaks for itself. Tyson looked great blowing out those bums, but if you look back at his resume, you will never find that key win over a top great fighter. oh and i made an error in my other post. when i said that i have 25 years of boxing knowledge, i meant i had 25 years WORTH of boxing knowledge. im not even 20 yet. LOL! (but it don't make anyone smarter just because they are older). i am just a heavy boxing fan who reads historical boxing articals and the old ring magizines regularly, and have over 1000 historical fights. so yeah i do research.

wow...

interesting arguement. :rolleyes:

prime tyson wins close decision, post prison tyson ike wins by decision or late ko imo.

Yahman please, i know you have better sense than to give Tyson full credit for knocking out a past his prime boxing great like Holmes. its actually ignorant and disrespectful to his legacy for the simple fact that he would have beaten Tyson in his prime. when fighters like Holmes stay around too long, it kinda messes it up. they should just retire when they are suppose to. he stayed too long and we seen the result. Holmes was beaten by Oliver Mcall as well, but is there any significance for Mcall?

Again, i'm not deying that Holmes was past it, in fact I clearly said this many times troughout my posts, but you must understand that Holmes was not at the end of his career, he was just not in this prime level anymore. You keep ignoring the fact that he still fought on for more than a decade, only lost 3 more times, beat a very good prime fighter, even gave a prime ATG trouble. And NOBODY ever KO'd him. Nobody except for Tyson. Is it that hard for you to see something impressive? Did McCall knock Holmes out inside 5? No, with all of his other losses, it was close. It's just because you hate the man, so you refuse to give him any kind of credit. And you try to make it seem like i'm a biased Tyson fanboy when I have already destroyed any kind of accusation you've made towards me.

again, give me a great champion that Tyson beat who was in his prime. Tucker was not a great chamion. he probably was not even a B+ fighter and he didn't even have a good name. NEXT!


Again showing your ignorance. Do you always spew out nonsence about fighters you know nothing about just to make it seem like you can hang in a debate with people like me? You're not fooling anyone.
And for the last time, I answered you first question and you couldn't handle it, so you changed it. I said Tyson never beat an ATG champion in his prime, but he did beat great fighters, and that's it.
If you weren't so thick you wouldn't even have to ask all of these questions AGAIN and get burned every time, because I'm just repeating myself here.

stepping up? are you serious right now? how is Jesse a step up in competition? he was just another bum that Tyson was suppose to blow out. and i meant that Tyson was knocked out when he competed with the elite like Holyfield.

Again, showing you know nothing of this particular fighter. He actually does have some decent names on his record, and even the biggest Tyson haters agree that Ferguson had good boxing skill. The reason why Jesse was a step up for Tyson was better than everyone that fought Tyson before him, first time for Tyson to be on national tv etc. Understood? Good, DON'T ask this question again, I know how hard it is for you to grasp things, so i'm not willing to go back and forth with with you. And I see you didn't disagree with Tyson's other 'step ups' I mentioned, good.

it looks bad when Tyson is being more hyped up than Bowe, and Bowe ate Fuergeson up in 2 rounds and Jesse took Tyson into deep waters.

So by this logic, Tyson was better than Lewis because he got rid of Frank Bruno in a few rounds twice, and Lewis was behind before stopping him? Does this make Lewis bad? Or here's a good one, Ali was dominated and stopped by Holmes, Tyson ko'd him easily. Is Tyson better than the greatest now? No, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, as well as diffirent sircumstances. How can you honestly even tell me you've been a fan for 25 years when you say stupid shit like this..

i want you to point out the posts that i didn't reply to because i will never duck a post if that is what you are indicating.

Like half of my other post, you picked 2 pieces you thought you could hang with. Now you have a lot of homework to do son. And this is most likely my last reply, this discussion isn't going anywhere. I have been repeating myself since the beginning, and you're too biased or ignorant to grasp common facts. If I have to repeat myself again I won't bother again.

Ike was elite and Douglas was not. its looks bad for Tyson for the simple fact that he was the only top fighter that Douglas beat. im not saying that just because Douglas beat Tyson, Ike would too because styles do make fights. but i think that Ike would just overwhelme Tyson with his overall ability anyway.

Barely anything of the Douglass fight made Tyson look good, obviously. But what I said was correct again, Douglass fought like a great, and fought very diffirent than Ike.

how did i try to steam roll you? i always attack at posters that try to make it seem that Tyson was an all time great because he was not.

Well you should think better again next time you try to attack someone, because you might end up a position where you're completely exposed as a poster. And Tyson not an all time great? Tell that to all of the Hitorians that disagree with you.

believe it or not, i use to be a Tyson junky just like you until someone actually sat down with me and broke it down how Mike was an overratted hype job who never beat a great fighter that was in thier prime. he also ducked old george Foreman and thats speaks for itself. Tyson looked great blowing out those bums, but if you look back at his resume, you will never find that key win over a top great fighter.

And believe it or not I was like that too. And I used to be a phony expert like you as well, thinking I could relate to discussions about fighters I knew nothing about. That was in the past, and the people that know me also know that i'm no Tyson nuthugger like you think. I don't blame you for calling me that, anyone would get desperate in a losing argument. But how did you even get this impression? My avater? The fact that I favor Tyson over a myth like Ike Ibeabuchi? You know I pick nearly 10 greats to beat Mike right? You're just grasping for straws son, and it just shows how much you hate the guy. Get over it.

oh and i made an error in my other post. when i said that i have 25 years of boxing knowledge, i meant i had 25 years WORTH of boxing knowledge. im not even 20 yet. LOL! (but it don't make anyone smarter just because they are older). i am just a heavy boxing fan who reads historical boxing articals and the old ring magizines regularly, and have over 1000 historical fights. so yeah i do research.

Yeah, I figured. Thanks for entertaining me the past few days. Take care.

gotta love yaman and his positive knowledge. :)

Again, i'm not deying that Holmes was past it, in fact I clearly said this many times troughout my posts, but you must understand that Holmes was not at the end of his career, he was just not in this prime level anymore. You keep ignoring the fact that he still fought on for more than a decade, only lost 3 more times, beat a very good prime fighter, even gave a prime ATG trouble. And NOBODY ever KO'd him. Nobody except for Tyson. Is it that hard for you to see something impressive? Did McCall knock Holmes out inside 5? No, with all of his other losses, it was close. It's just because you hate the man, so you refuse to give him any kind of credit. And you try to make it seem like i'm a biased Tyson fanboy when I have already destroyed any kind of accusation you've made towards me. LOL! this is just ridiculous. again you give Tyson credit for knocking out a great who was past his prime, that alone shows how ignorant and biased you are and shows that you are tyring to raise Tyson's stalk. and i don't hate the man at all, i never and nor will i ever hate a fighter that walk through the ring. Tyson was a very good and exciting fighter that i will always love and enjoy to watch. and you are again trying to make me sound dumb and trying to make yourself seem smarter by doing it. what a lame and unprofessional move.
By Yahman.Again showing your ignorance. Do you always spew out nonsence about fighters you know nothing about just to make it seem like you can hang in a debate with people like me? You're not fooling anyone.
And for the last time, I answered you first question and you couldn't handle it, so you changed it. I said Tyson never beat an ATG champion in his prime, but he did beat great fighters, and that's it.
If you weren't so thick you wouldn't even have to ask all of these questions AGAIN and get burned every time, because I'm just repeating myself here.hanging with people like you? oh wow, i guess you think you are the best poster on here? you need a reality check. and talk about repeating themselves, i have said that holmes was past his prime and it does not count that Tyson has beat him so many times, people would actually think im talking to a little kid. thats how i know that you are getting discouraged. when i ask you what great fighter that Tyson beat, you give me a past his prime Lary holmes or Toney Tucker??????? if that is your definition of great and you go by that, good luck because you will get nowhere in a debate with BS like that. i don't care what Lary Holmes come back record was, the man was past his prime and had been through wars. if Tyson didn't beat Holmes in his prime, it does not matter because there is no significance to that. Holmes had been through wars with Shavers, Nortin, and many others fighters. you need to know that i am not one of those weak minded posters that just leaves when you kick this weak little Tyson knowledge on them. you are dealing with a real poster who knows his stuff. you are not fooling anybody.
.BY Yahman. Again, showing you know nothing of this particular fighter. He actually does have some decent names on his record, and even the biggest Tyson haters agree that Ferguson had good boxing skill. The reason why Jesse was a step up for Tyson was better than everyone that fought Tyson before him, first time for Tyson to be on national tv etc. Understood? Good, DON'T ask this question again, I know how hard it is for you to grasp things, so i'm not willing to go back and forth with with you. And I see you didn't disagree with Tyson's other 'step ups' I mentioned, good.
again, another post where you try to raise Tyon's stock by giving me a bum that he was suppose to blow out and Jesse was not even a good fighter. and tell me what skills Jesse had? actually i am the one who is repeating myself in this debate. Jesse was a bum. he fits right in the catorgory with the other bums that Tyson blew away. but this bum actually took Tyson into deep waters. and wait........i already know what you are going to say.........Fuergeson beat Mercer? yeah when Mercer was as fat as a house and couldnt move. matter of fact, Mercer was so desperate that he actually whispered to Jesse during the fight and asked him to take a dive. its ridiculous.
BY Yahman.So by this logic, Tyson was better than Lewis because he got rid of Frank Bruno in a few rounds twice, and Lewis was behind before stopping him? Does this make Lewis bad? Or here's a good one, Ali was dominated and stopped by Holmes, Tyson ko'd him easily. Is Tyson better than the greatest now? No, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, as well as diffirent sircumstances. How can you honestly even tell me you've been a fan for 25 years when you say stupid shit like this..
another post where you twist my words. and thanks for showing me that you are a kid who knows little about boxing. i shouldn't have even responded to this but i'll do you a favor this time. because when you said ''Ali was dominated and stopped by Holmes, Tyson ko'd him easily'. that showed me that you are just desperate at this point. how do you expect to win debate saying garbage like this? Ali was more than past his prime when he fought holmes and Holmes was also past his prime when he fought Tyson so whats your point? i understand that you are trying to prove a point but do say ignorant things like that. wait....... i know what you are going to say......Ali was still a great fighter when Holmes beat him to you huh?

By Yahman. Like half of my other post, you picked 2 pieces you thought you could hang with. Now you have a lot of homework to do son. And this is most likely my last reply, this discussion isn't going anywhere. I have been repeating myself since the beginning, and you're too biased or ignorant to grasp common facts. If I have to repeat myself again I won't bother again.
again, go and point out the posts that i missed and i will be glad to school you once again son.
By Yahman.Barely anything of the Douglass fight made Tyson look good, obviously. But what I said was correct again, Douglass fought like a great, and fought very diffirent than Ike.WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL! tell me that you did not just say that. being tough and boxing smart against an unprepared Tyson is fighting like a great? kid, this is really ridiculous now. you just proved once again that you ready and willing to say anything to raise Tyson's stock.


BY Yahman. Well you should think better again next time you try to attack someone, because you might end up a position where you're completely exposed as a poster. And Tyson not an all time great? Tell that to all of the Hitorians that disagree with you.


Tyson was not a great. beating great fighters and staying focused makes you great and thats 2 things that Tyson did not do. he was not a throw back to the great fighters at all.
And believe it or not I was like that too. And I used to be a phony expert like you as well, thinking I could relate to discussions about fighters I knew nothing about. That was in the past, and the people that know me also know that i'm no Tyson nuthugger like you think. I don't blame you for calling me that, anyone would get desperate in a losing argument. But how did you even get this impression? My avater? The fact that I favor Tyson over a myth like Ike Ibeabuchi? You know I pick nearly 10 greats to beat Mike right? You're just grasping for straws son, and it just shows how much you hate the guy. Get over it.
LOL! at you calling me a phony expert. yesterday i made a huge post stating how im not a phony expert. i gave facts, i supported those facts, and i gave plenty of details and thats the best you can come up with? i know boxing. anything you try to educate me on to make yourself seem smarter, i aleady know about it. and i don't need to grasp for straws. we can keep this debate going on for the rest of our lives and i'll still give great facts.
By Yahman. Yeah, I figured. Thanks for entertaining me the past few days. Take care. if this is it, it was a great debate and we both gave great facts. no hard feelings. :beerchug:

Depends on which version of Mike. If it's the Mike Tyson in his prime and early nineties, than I think Tyson wins UD and possibly KO, I don't see anyway Ike beating a Mike Tyson with Kevin Rooney in his corner. Ike is a good fighter and all, but it was more about him having a great chin than being technically skilled, although he was not a bad boxer. I think Ike would beat a Mike Tyson that got out of jail though, probably make him quit in his stool.