I'd like to hear your analysis of this possible matchup. What will PAC have to do to beat Guzwoman and vice-versa?

who the heck is guzman?

I still want Pac to fight Soto.

Pac doesnt need to beat Guzman to prove anything, he is "the man" right now. In fact he doesnt even have to fight Joanna, unless you guys want a more frustrating and boring fight than Pac-MAB II. If MAB did a chacha, Guzwoman would do a boogie. What else do you learn from Floyd Sr. other than what "No-so-pretty-boy flawed" knows best - to dance!

Pac doesnt need to beat Guzman to prove anything, he is "the man" right now. In fact he doesnt even have to fight Joanna, unless you guys want a more frustrating and boring fight than Pac-MAB II. If MAB did a chacha, Guzwoman would do a boogie. What else do you learn from Floyd Sr. other than what "No-so-pretty-boy flawed" knows best - to dance!

pac is not the "man" right now if marquez and guzman are still out there..

he have only a huge fanbase that's why everyone want a piece of pac.. if pac wants respect he shpuld beat marquez and guzman..or go directly to diaz..

Yeah I see the fight being billed to the roof only to frustrate coz I see Joan will just be dancing. Si manny medyo maingat na rin na rin at di na basta sumusugod kaya baka matapos ang laban na wala halos aksyon. Ang medyo di maganda dyan eh yung magiging tingin ng mga judge sa scoring na baka pumabor kay Guzman.

pac is not the "man" right now if marquez and guzman are still out there..

he have only a huge fanbase that's why everyone want a piece of pac.. if pac wants respect he shpuld beat marquez and guzman..or go directly to diaz..

It's not the fanbase so much as the money that guarantees every fight with Pac that is the reason why everyone wants a piece of him. Guzman is just the latest of a long list of boxers who are hungry for recognition and money calling him out. Even Oscar DLH wants to get in the ring with Pac, - - - no matter that the idea is so ridiculous!

The fact that Pacman is perhaps the most sought after fighter today belies the respect that he now enjoys more than any other professional boxer.

As for Guzman, all he can do for now is take a number and wait.

he does not need to fight guzman, and as bob arum said that he will not put manny in with that kid guzman coz hes projecting maybe 350k PPV buys but with guzman fighting him they will be lucky to land 150k buys

You know that Joan Guzman will box the ears off of Manny Pacquiao. He's got the speed, skills and the slick boxing style to dance away to an easy UD win imo.

Simply a bad style match-up for Pac. Even JMM, with all his excellent technical skills, would find Joan a difficult style to fight.

It's no wonder that Roach don't want any part of Guzman, yea?

You know that Joan Guzman will box the ears off of Manny Pacquiao. He's got the speed, skills and the slick boxing style to dance away to an easy UD win imo.

Simply a bad style match-up for Pac. Even JMM, with all his excellent technical skills, would find Joan a difficult style to fight.

It's no wonder that Roach don't want any part of Guzman, yea?

How are you Mr B.? Been a long time....

I'd like to hear your analysis of this possible matchup. What will PAC have to do to beat Guzwoman and vice-versa?Pac will have a hard time chasing joan. We just recently saw how boring it was when pac was fighting a very cautious fighter in barrera who just fought to finish the fight and not to win.

It's not the fanbase so much as the money that guarantees every fight with Pac that is the reason why everyone wants a piece of him. Guzman is just the latest of a long list of boxers who are hungry for recognition and money calling him out. Even Oscar DLH wants to get in the ring with Pac, - - - no matter that the idea is so ridiculous!

The fact that Pacman is perhaps the most sought after fighter today belies the respect that he now enjoys more than any other professional boxer.

As for Guzman, all he can do for now is take a number and wait.

fanbase = money...un rin un.. beating guzman proves pac can beat a great boxer and a lightweight.. in one fight..

How are you Mr B.? Been a long time....


I'm good, salamas :thanks: kepsy man!:cool2:

I'm just lurking around, do you like Pac vs Guzman? I'd rather see him vs JMM or Valero.:boxing:

Pac will have a hard time chasing joan. We just recently saw how boring it was when pac was fighting a very cautious fighter in barrera who just fought to finish the fight and not to win.


Agreed. sup prof? :cool2:

Sparring C MasGago tska C Mr Bojangles. parehong magaling manipa :D

My Take : At 28 I think PAC still has this very rare combination of Speed and Power w/c is very difficult for anybody to handle PLUS his STAMINA ans southpaw stance make him even more dangerous. If the time comes that PAC can no longer keep the high octane assault that he's capable of then he have to retire and concentrate on other things that gives him money.

FOR NOW PAC TKO's Guzman late.

pac is not the "man" right now if marquez and guzman are still out there..

he have only a huge fanbase that's why everyone want a piece of pac.. if pac wants respect he shpuld beat marquez and guzman..or go directly to diaz..

When i said "the man", i meant the "money-man". No one will bring more money to any fighter (or promoter), from JMM to Guzman, from Juan to David, from Arum to Oscar, than Pac-Man. So from this viewpoint, he is "the man" and he doesnt need to do anything , like fight Guzman, to earn, prove or even maintain this distinction. But that is not the case the other way around. Not all fighters calling on Pac today, no matter how good or popular, would bring the kind of money Pac, Bob and/or Oscar wants. A Guzman fight for example, would not generate enough PPV or ticket buys to pay the minimum guaranteed purse of Pac-Man. A JMM fight would, but only if JMM settles for the lesser slice of the loot. A Juan Diaz fight would be lucrative but might be too soon, businesswise, as moving up in weight means leaving the equally lucrative superfeatherweight division for good. It is going to be a tough decision for Pac and Arum to choose from the latter two options, but a no brainer on the first. So i'd say a Guzman fight is a long shot.

When i said "the man", i meant the "money-man". No one will bring more money to any fighter (or promoter), from JMM to Guzman, from Juan to David, from Arum to Oscar, than Pac-Man. So from this viewpoint, he is "the man" and he doesnt need to do anything , like fight Guzman, to earn, prove or even maintain this distinction. But that is not the case the other way around. Not all fighters calling on Pac today, no matter how good or popular, would bring the kind of money Pac, Bob and/or Oscar wants. A Guzman fight for example, would not generate enough PPV or ticket buys to pay the minimum guaranteed purse of Pac-Man. A JMM fight would, but only if JMM settles for the lesser slice of the loot. A Juan Diaz fight would be lucrative but might be too soon, businesswise, as moving up in weight means leaving the equally lucrative superfeatherweight division for good. It is going to be a tough decision for Pac and Arum to choose from the latter two options, but a no brainer on the first. So i'd say a Guzman fight is a long shot.

You have a point boss counter, however I dont think Manny will leave the SF division up unless he will be successful at LW.

The David Diaz matchup is also being considered since he has a belt which Manny can take. I think the noise about Joan is only good for now, but weeks from now you can expect this to die down. Manny has a lot of options and Guzman isnt much of a gain for him.

I'm good, salamas :thanks: kepsy man!:cool2:

I'm just lurking around, do you like Pac vs Guzman? I'd rather see him vs JMM or Valero.:boxing:

JMM bro... unfinished business need to be settled. Plus it would be a more exciting fight.

You know that Joan Guzman will box the ears off of Manny Pacquiao. He's got the speed, skills and the slick boxing style to dance away to an easy UD win imo.

Simply a bad style match-up for Pac. Even JMM, with all his excellent technical skills, would find Joan a difficult style to fight.

It's no wonder that Roach don't want any part of Guzman, yea?

I agree that it will be a bad style match-up. But, I still believe Pac can win against Joan because Joan's left hand is always hanging low, perfect for Pacmans right cross/hook. That is Joan's only weakness.

Bad match up for Pacquiao. It's a good thing Guzman isn't Mexican. He'll never fight him.:D

to put it simply, but bluntly...Joan is not necessary! if Pac only has 3 more good fights to make megabucks prior to his retirement era, Joan would not be in the list. In fact Arum, just now, hinted that those 3 "pre-retirement" fights would be David for the WBC 135 belt, JMM (at 135 take note!), and Oscar (nothing but a farewell show for both fighters perhaps, and a last ditch effort to empty the american's pockets on PPV). A Juan Diaz bout after JMM could be possible, too, depending on how Pac would fare at 135. After these bouts, if Manny is still at it, only then point he would fight Joan, Valero or whoever for just a decent amount.

Is there really no way he can still face Soto? I really want Pacman to fight him.

Is there really no way he can still face Soto? I really want Pacman to fight him.

He's been fighting opponents witha loss the fight before. Pac shouldn't have that reputation........beating old legends rep is much better.:D

teka bat nga pala tayo nageenglish dito pinoy lounge to ah!!

teka bat nga pala tayo nageenglish dito pinoy lounge to ah!!
Ha ha ha! Oo nga naman, nagi-inglesan tayo dito sa Pinoy lounge eh, mga Pinoy naman tayo. Xzworks has a point.

Pero Bro, don't be offended. Kung minsan kasi ay mas madali i-express ang gusto natin sabihin sa Ingles. Pwede na siguro, Taglish? I don't mind using mixed words in Tagalog and English. We can stick to being nationalistic and still make use with the rich vocabulary of a foreign language.

BTW, Guzman is unfortunate that he is just the last name on a long list of wannabe opponents of Pac. Kahit nga si Oscar DLH, eh gustong maki-pila. They all want a piece of Pac's money train. But seriously, Guzman is a poor choice for a fight with Manny. The risks far outweigh the gains, if any, for Pac.

Magtiyaga na muna si Guzman sa ibang kalaban. Pag may pangalan na siya na makaka-contribute sa mas malaking purse, baka bigyan pansin na siya ni Manny.

Mga Dre sa totoo lang.

Kung mawawala na yung STAMINA ni PAC na mula round 1 hangang 12 eh pareho ang bilis at atake. eh dapat nga wag nya labanan c guzman at mag retiro na sya.


pero... kung nandun pa din yung STAMINA mula round 1 hangang 12 tapos hindi mawawala yung lakas ng suntok at bilis ( 28 anyos pa lang andyan pa malamang) eh PUTangna pumila lang kayo. guzman guzman ?? masyado na tayo nadadala sa mga analisis kuno heheheehe :D eh sino ba tinalo nyan. Barrios? Soto? eh potah parang mga pagong yan kumpara ke PAC eh :nonono:

Simple Basic Common sense lang yan eh lol

Defensice skills? boxingskills?

Palagay nyo ba hindi tatama yung Kaliwa ni PAC ke Guzman sa 1st 6 rounds?
Palagay nyo ba di hamak na mas superior yung pinakita ni Guzman laban ke Soto kesa sa pinakita ni Barrera laban ke Hamed?
Palagay nyo rerespetohin ni PAC ang suntok ni Guzman kahit wala na halos napapatumba tong dominicanong to mula pa nung jurrasic period?

sa mga laban ni Pac daming mga paliwanag pero ganun pa din resulta. *Headbutt lang dun sa Morales I kaya na dehado. 6th round pa lang yun kaya malaki apekto sa laban tapos Bert Clemens sa JMM fight :D


kung mag tre training ng matino ampotah TIBAG ke PAKYAW yan !!!


*heheheh nuthugger ba dating :D

Mga Dre sa totoo lang.

Kung mawawala na yung STAMINA ni PAC na mula round 1 hangang 12 eh pareho ang bilis at atake. eh dapat nga wag nya labanan c guzman at mag retiro na sya.


pero... kung nandun pa din yung STAMINA mula round 1 hangang 12 tapos hindi mawawala yung lakas ng suntok at bilis ( 28 anyos pa lang andyan pa malamang) eh PUTangna pumila lang kayo. guzman guzman ?? masyado na tayo nadadala sa mga analisis kuno heheheehe :D eh sino ba tinalo nyan. Barrios? Soto? eh potah parang mga pagong yan kumpara ke PAC eh :nonono:

Simple Basic Common sense lang yan eh lol

Defensice skills? boxingskills?

Palagay nyo ba hindi tatama yung Kaliwa ni PAC ke Guzman sa 1st 6 rounds?
Palagay nyo ba di hamak na mas superior yung pinakita ni Guzman laban ke Soto kesa sa pinakita ni Barrera laban ke Hamed?
Palagay nyo rerespetohin ni PAC ang suntok ni Guzman kahit wala na halos napapatumba tong dominicanong to mula pa nung jurrasic period?

sa mga laban ni Pac daming mga paliwanag pero ganun pa din resulta. *Headbutt lang dun sa Morales I kaya na dehado. 6th round pa lang yun kaya malaki apekto sa laban tapos Bert Clemens sa JMM fight :D


kung mag tre training ng matino ampotah TIBAG ke PAKYAW yan !!!


*heheheh nuthugger ba dating :D

nutshugger kumander, kasi pati iyong kaliwang itlog e naisama mo na....lol....

nutshugger kumander, kasi pati iyong kaliwang itlog e naisama mo na....lol....

lol

kung pupusta ka bos keps kanino ka pupusta?



Mga pre wala halo biro

pera pera lang kanino kayo pupusta?




kitam..... :D

yan ang tamang analysis ni miron pera pera pustahan hehehehhe

Sparring C MasGago tska C Mr Bojangles. parehong magaling manipa :D

My Take : At 28 I think PAC still has this very rare combination of Speed and Power w/c is very difficult for anybody to handle PLUS his STAMINA ans southpaw stance make him even more dangerous. If the time comes that PAC can no longer keep the high octane assault that he's capable of then he have to retire and concentrate on other things that gives him money.

FOR NOW PAC TKO's Guzman late.


kumander miron ganyan din tingin ko sa laban, late rounds ko/tko ...

okey mabilis si guzman, magaling din depensa, at wala pa si manny nakakalaban ng tulad o sing bilis ni guzman ... pero wala pa rin si joan nakakalaban tulad ni pac, na bukod sa mabilis rin, malakas pa manapak... both of them should bring their A game, guzman to win should box and take it on points, pac to win has to eat some leather but go in with BAD intension and dont be lulled to a boxing match...

JMM bro... unfinished business need to be settled. Plus it would be a more exciting fight.

i totally agree with this!! si JMM muna!!

I'd like to hear your analysis of this possible matchup. What will PAC have to do to beat Guzwoman and vice-versa?
Guzman is not even half of what Morales and Barrera achieved and their legacies.

So creating a thread saying Guzman would embarass the p4p king. Cmon!

:pat: parang ang layo ng sagot ko ha!but that is simple and basic common sense!lol:p

Mga Dre sa totoo lang.

Kung mawawala na yung STAMINA ni PAC na mula round 1 hangang 12 eh pareho ang bilis at atake. eh dapat nga wag nya labanan c guzman at mag retiro na sya.


pero... kung nandun pa din yung STAMINA mula round 1 hangang 12 tapos hindi mawawala yung lakas ng suntok at bilis ( 28 anyos pa lang andyan pa malamang) eh PUTangna pumila lang kayo. guzman guzman ?? masyado na tayo nadadala sa mga analisis kuno heheheehe :D eh sino ba tinalo nyan. Barrios? Soto? eh potah parang mga pagong yan kumpara ke PAC eh :nonono:

Simple Basic Common sense lang yan eh lol

Defensice skills? boxingskills?

Palagay nyo ba hindi tatama yung Kaliwa ni PAC ke Guzman sa 1st 6 rounds?
Palagay nyo ba di hamak na mas superior yung pinakita ni Guzman laban ke Soto kesa sa pinakita ni Barrera laban ke Hamed?
Palagay nyo rerespetohin ni PAC ang suntok ni Guzman kahit wala na halos napapatumba tong dominicanong to mula pa nung jurrasic period?

sa mga laban ni Pac daming mga paliwanag pero ganun pa din resulta. *Headbutt lang dun sa Morales I kaya na dehado. 6th round pa lang yun kaya malaki apekto sa laban tapos Bert Clemens sa JMM fight :D


kung mag tre training ng matino ampotah TIBAG ke PAKYAW yan !!!


*heheheh nuthugger ba dating :D

hindi sa pagiging nuthugger pero kumander kung si pac nakalaban ni barrios at soto parehas gugulong yang dalawang yan...

kaya ke guzman isang tama lang kailangan ni pac at magbabago na timpla ng laban, mawawala na paboksingboksing noon at hindi na iiskor, dagdag nyo pa na 31 na yun 28 si pac, hindi ko naman sinasabi na walang pagasa si guzman, pero lyamadong lyamado manok natin... dadag ko rin lang tingin ko kung may makakatalo ke pac sa 130 by decision si marquez yun at si guzman...

bossing si bert clemens ba yung judge na nag iskor ng 9-7 sa round one??

to put it simply, but bluntly...Joan is not necessary! if Pac only has 3 more good fights to make megabucks prior to his retirement era, Joan would not be in the list. In fact Arum, just now, hinted that those 3 "pre-retirement" fights would be David for the WBC 135 belt, JMM (at 135 take note!), and Oscar (nothing but a farewell show for both fighters perhaps, and a last ditch effort to empty the american's pockets on PPV). A Juan Diaz bout after JMM could be possible, too, depending on how Pac would fare at 135. After these bouts, if Manny is still at it, only then point he would fight Joan, Valero or whoever for just a decent amount.


ayos din yang david, jmm at juan diaz 3 fight scenario...

pero gusto ko rin sana yung jmm, guzman, velero for the undisputed SFW Champion of the World, tapos noon saka nya labanan by that time yung undisputed LW champion si Juan Diaz

isang tama lang kailangan ni pac at magbabago na timpla ng laban
one??

Korek pre. tangina Guzman guzman??? durog yan!! :D



bossing si bert clemens ba yung judge na nag iskor ng 9-7 sa round one??

Sya nga. Yung negrong hurado. pero mas gago Guy Jutras 115-110 JMM yun pati round 2 na super outlanded pa din c JMM binigay ke JMM.


Travian ka na JOM's mas maganda ng sampung doble sa KOC :D

Korek pre. tangina Guzman guzman??? durog yan!! :D

Sya nga. Yung negrong hurado. pero mas gago Guy Jutras 115-110 JMM yun pati round 2 na super outlanded pa din c JMM binigay ke JMM.


Travian ka na JOM's mas maganda ng sampung doble sa KOC :D

he he bossing baka makapaglaro ako next year na, loaded pa ngayon trabaho tapos december naman jollibee na uli, he he...

lol
kung pupusta ka bos keps kanino ka pupusta?
Mga pre wala halo biro
pera pera lang kanino kayo pupusta?

kitam..... :D
lol.... good point. :D

Guzman is not even half of what Morales and Barrera achieved and their legacies.

So creating a thread saying Guzman would embarass the p4p king. Cmon!

:pat: parang ang layo ng sagot ko ha!but that is simple and basic common sense!lol:p

Agree....but interms or speed and power this will be a great match up ( di pa sumisikat si Guzman malalaos agad dahil kay Pac)

Huwag na tayo umasa, mga pare koys.

The latest buzz is that it's DDiaz vs. Pac in March. Wakee Salud, however, says that the contract has not been signed yet. Sayang si JMM, lahat tayo ay ito ang inaabangan, but he missed his chance. Next time wag siya masyado magpakipot, hindi naman importante kay Pac ang belt niya, no?

Ngayon, maghabol siya sa 135 lbs. Ha ha ha !!!

may latest nanaman daw pag uwi ni manny sa pinas galing US mas malamang daw si JMM makakalaban nyang sunod?? ano ba talaga??