Of course im picking Dawson because im a big fan. LOL. but not only that, but hes a southpaw and can confuse Roy with boxing skills. and if he catches Roy on the chin then its over. (Roys Glass chin).

Of course im picking Dawson because im a big fan. LOL. but not only that, but hes a southpaw and can confuse Roy with boxing skills. and if he catches Roy on the chin then its over. (Roys Glass chin).

Roy's chin didn't come into play till he was 35 years old and his lightening fast reflexes and speed and slowed quite a bit. A prime Roy flat out OWNS Dawson. Roy TKO rd 6.

Of course im picking Dawson because im a big fan. LOL. but not only that, but hes a southpaw and can confuse Roy with boxing skills. and if he catches Roy on the chin then its over. (Roys Glass chin).

i think you forgot what prime roy was like... too much for dawson.. southpaw or not.

Roy's chin didn't come into play till he was 35 years old and his lightening fast reflexes and speed and slowed quite a bit. A prime Roy flat out OWNS Dawson. Roy TKO rd 6.

Roy's chin was always weak. he just hid it well when he was in his prime with all of his athletic ability. Dawson is equally athletic and a better pure boxer. DAWSON BY TKO IN ROUND 9

Roy's chin didn't come into play till he was 35 years old and his lightening fast reflexes and speed and slowed quite a bit. A prime Roy flat out OWNS Dawson. Roy TKO rd 6.

i think you forgot what prime roy was like... too much for dawson.. southpaw or not.

James Toney would have beat Roy if he was in shape. Toney had to be hooked up to IVs before the fight because of weight drain. he would have exposed Roy's weak chin right there.

James Toney would have beat Roy if he was in shape. Toney had to be hooked up to IVs before the fight because of weight drain. he would have exposed Roy's weak chin right there.

highly disagree with how you see it.. but ill respect yer opinion..

highly disagree with how you see it.. but ill respect yer opinion..

i respect yours too. Roy is a great fighter and a hall of famer and i see why you would pick him. i just have a different opinion.

lol dawson has been down 3 times already...jones by brutal 4 round KO....

Dawson is shades of roy jones, shades only, He is without a doubt no roy jones and he would made look stupid by a prime roy jones. Jones chin is twice as good as dawsons is when he was in his prime, Simple as that.

Roy in the first four rounds!!!!!!

he'd definitely give roy problems,lou del valle knock roy down,tarver knock'em out,and roy did say after the del valle fight"this is why i don't fight southpaws"

he'd definitely give roy problems,lou del valle knock roy down,tarver knock'em out,and roy did say after the del valle fight"this is why i don't fight southpaws"

i think that dawson would give roy some trouble but roy would win by late ko or UD

Of course im picking Dawson because im a big fan. LOL. but not only that, but hes a southpaw and can confuse Roy with boxing skills. and if he catches Roy on the chin then its over. (Roys Glass chin).

Chad is also arguably chinny, and he doesn't have much power at 175.

I like Dawson a lot but u do remember what prime RJJ was like? Too elusive, too fast for Dawson + I think that prime RJJ can take on most fighters both past and present.

lol dawson has been down 3 times already...jones by brutal 4 round KO....

ok................do i really have to tell you how many times Roy was down. LMAO

Chad is also arguably chinny, and he doesn't have much power at 175.

hes not Chinny at all. Ademek hit him with a punch that he didn't see. you would be Chinny too if you was hit with a punch you didn't see. and that was the only time he was a bit stunned. he was not even seriously hurt either so that can go out the window. and Dawson has more power than Roy at light heavy IMO

i think that dawson would give roy some trouble but roy would win by late ko or UD

Dawson is the perfect text book boxer. he would do what Toney would have done if Toney didn't have to suffer from weight drain. again, i don't give Roy credit for the Toney fight because Toney had to be hooked up to IVs before the fight.

he'd definitely give roy problems,lou del valle knock roy down,tarver knock'em out,and roy did say after the del valle fight"this is why i don't fight southpaws"

exactly. TARVER IS A SLICK SOUTHPAW AND HE ALWAYS HAD ROY"S NUMBER. DAWSON IS A SLICK SOUTHPAW AND 10 TIMES THE FIGHTER TARVER EVER WAS. thats what yall need to think about. yall just look at prime Roy beating all those bums and automatically say that he can beat Dawson.

exactly. TARVER IS A SLICK SOUTHPAW AND HE ALWAYS HAD ROY"S NUMBER. DAWSON IS A SLICK SOUTHPAW AND 10 TIMES THE FIGHTER TARVER EVER WAS. thats what yall need to think about. yall just look at prime Roy beating all those bums and automatically say that he can beat Dawson.

When Tarver beat RJJ he was 35. I see ur point and I actually have to think about this fight now but on the other hand we're talking about PRIME RJJ and he means business.

too fast, too strong.. too everything.. prime, somethin like dawson but on a way HIGHER level.

he'd definitely give roy problems,lou del valle knock roy down,tarver knock'em out,and roy did say after the del valle fight"this is why i don't fight southpaws"

de valle was a former sparring parter years before they fought.. so he was kinda used to how Roy fought, which made it a bit harder for roy to look good against him.. when you spar with someone for a long period of time it happens..

Dawson is the perfect text book boxer. he would do what Toney would have done if Toney didn't have to suffer from weight drain. again, i don't give Roy credit for the Toney fight because Toney had to be hooked up to IVs before the fight.

roys performance against toney was amazing.. IV's or not.. was just on a different level at that stage of his career.. I like dawson to.. but ya still gota be real...

roys performance against toney was amazing.. IV's or not.. was just on a different level at that stage of his career.. I like dawson to.. but ya still gota be real...

Iv's or not? so you give full credit to a fighter that beats another fighter when hes hospitalized? Roy didn't even want to take the Toney fight. he played mind games with Toney. one second, he tells Toney's camp that he wants the fight, then he postpones the fight and waits until Toney gets out of shape before he finally takes the fight. thats just messed up.

the roy jones jr that fought montell griffin in the rematch = destroys dawson.

the roy jones jr that fought montell griffin in the rematch = destroys dawson.

Any Roy= Dawson would destroy him....LMAO! Dawson is on a different level than Griffin so what Roy did to him in that fight means nothing.

please, you are hyping dawson too much.

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chad dawson has no chance against a prime roy jones jr, and IT'S A FACT!!.

de valle was a former sparring parter years before they fought.. so he was kinda used to how Roy fought, which made it a bit harder for roy to look good against him.. when you spar with someone for a long period of time it happens..
read what roy said
http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/1998/980718jones_del_valle.html
Roy Jones, Jr. vs. Lou Del Valle (July 18, 1998)
i just watched that fight,roy looked great in the first round,he was far from shot in my opinion he looked good in the first round,typical roy,THEN BANG.

read what roy said
http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/1998/980718jones_del_valle.html
Roy Jones, Jr. vs. Lou Del Valle (July 18, 1998)
i just watched that fight,roy looked great in the first round,he was far from shot in my opinion he looked good in the first round,typical roy,THEN BANG.

yea he mentioned how sparring partners get to know how you fight

Any Roy= Dawson would destroy him....LMAO! Dawson is on a different level than Griffin so what Roy did to him in that fight means nothing.

I duno what to say.. you obviously see dawson as some kinda superman.. thats cool you stick behind yer fav.. most people know whats real tho.. and whats real is prime jones puts this kid on his ass.. Past his prime Roy probly even beats him.

I duno what to say.. you obviously see dawson as some kinda superman.. thats cool you stick behind yer fav.. most people know whats real tho.. and whats real is prime jones puts this kid on his ass.. Past his prime Roy probly even beats him.

Roy has always has a weak chin. when he was younger, he hid it well because of those great reflexis he had. you can't grow into a weak chin so age means nothing. Dawson is quick enough to find that weak chin with a straight left or counter right uppercut that would knock Roy down, and probably out. Dawson would beat old and young Roy.

Roy Jones tko/ko round 5

please, you are hyping dawson too much.

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chad dawson has no chance against a prime roy jones jr, and IT'S A FACT!!.

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hey i can say it too. Roy has no chance against Dawson. and thats a fact. LOL

the roy jones jr that fought montell griffin in the rematch = destroys dawson.

yea he mentioned how sparring partners get to know how you fight

underboss and robjr. watch this and tell me that Dawson can't woop this man. does Roy look unbeatable here? this video cracks me up. BANG BANG!
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underboss and robjr. watch this and tell me that Dawson can't woop this man. does Roy look unbeatable here? this video cracks me up. BANG BANG!
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are you foreal?

after the ruiz fight jones went down 25 pounds (175 and didn't adapt to it), that's why in the tarver/johnson fights he got tired.

someone with a brain has to know this shit.

dawson has dominated the middleweight and super middleweight divisions, so what? tell me any TOP BOXER he has beaten in those weight classes?. exactly, he's nothing special.

are you foreal?

after the ruiz fight jones went down 25 pounds (175 and didn't adapt to it), that's why in the tarver/johnson fights he got tired.

someone with a brain has to know this shit.

dawson has dominated the middleweight and super middleweight divisions, so what? tell me any TOP BOXER he has beaten in those weight classes?. exactly, he's nothing special.

of course im foreal, this is real talk. and man what are you talking about? Dawson didn't dominate middleweight or supper middleweight. do research. he had to move to light heavy because thats the best weight for him. he was a skinny middle and super middle so at light heavy, he was filled in. he didn't dominate those classes. Dawson is on his way to the top. when he unifies the titles and is the dominate light heavyweight, yall will have different opinions about this. Tarver has ALWAYS had Roy's number. weight drain or not. even in the amatures. and Dawson (like Tarver) is also a slick southpaw but 10 times the fighter that Tarver is. Dawson would tag that chin of Roy.

Of course im picking Dawson because im a big fan. LOL. but not only that, but hes a southpaw and can confuse Roy with boxing skills. and if he catches Roy on the chin then its over. (Roys Glass chin).

You seem like a good poster from what i've read but im sorry to say this but i can't take your opinion seriously on this one because you have already stated your massive Dawson fan and you seem to have biased views on this one.

Dawson has only beaten two goodish names Eric Harding, Tomasz Adamek, he has been down 3 times if i remember right and he has shown weaknesses and a suspect chin at this stage, prime Jones would beat Dawson 9 rounds to 3.

Of course im picking Dawson because im a big fan. LOL. but not only that, but hes a southpaw and can confuse Roy with boxing skills. and if he catches Roy on the chin then its over. (Roys Glass chin).

Then what ever you say mean nothing. Pointless. When we all know that a prime Roy would Murder your slick southpaw.

Roy would knock out that boy in under 8 rounds.:boxing:

I'm back for a short visit.. RJ today nov 25th 07 would give dawson's Creek a good fight. At 160 if roy stayed we wood have 2 be talking bouts the middleweight division different. 168 RJ is the best at that weight. 1st year or 2 of jones at 175 destroyes Andre dawson. THE G-MIKE!

im a big fan but im actually serious about this one. Prime Roy was a middle weight or super middleweight so Dawson would be the naturally bigger man. plus Dawson has a 3 inch height advantage over Roy. Roy has never fought a slick southpaw like Dawson. Dawson's right jab would keep Roy in check, and the counter right uppercut would be something fierce.
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Of course im picking Dawson because im a big fan. LOL. but not only that, but hes a southpaw and can confuse Roy with boxing skills. and if he catches Roy on the chin then its over. (Roys Glass chin).

Nighty night Chad Dawson!

Nighty night Chad Dawson!

You should say ''nighty night'' to your points when all of them are gone from you making such a foolish bet. The light heavyweight division will be exposed on Saturday for being the weakest division in recent history and look for Chad Dawson to clean it up.

Also did you actually have to go and bring this thread back just to say that? :nonono:

Johnson is old, but don't be fooled. He can still hit.

Johnson is old, but don't be fooled. He can still hit.

Still hit? :lol1: He could never punch. Roy just had a glass jaw by that point. Johnson just went 8 round with Hugo Pienda and Pienda was blown out by both Koysta Tsyzu and Felix Trinidad at lower weights.

Prime Jones beats Dawson.

I know your a big fan of Dawson but he would end up like everyone else who faced prime Roy on his back or outclassed. Roy by wide UD or KO depending on whether Roy really went for the KO. Take off the Dawson coloured shades and see what everyone else sees.

I know your a big fan of Dawson but he would end up like everyone else who faced prime Roy on his back or outclassed. Roy by wide UD or KO depending on whether Roy really went for the KO. Take off the Dawson coloured shades and see what everyone else sees.

I made this thread about a year ago but anyway, Dawson beating Roy is actually a possibility. Tell me what elite southpaw that Roy looked good against and maybe I'll believe one of you huggers. He didn't look good against Dell Valle, Harding or Tarver. Montell Griffin was an average southpaw and he actually gave Jones fits in their first fight. Dawson is a 6'3 pure boxer puncher with great hand speed and classic text book boxing ability, Roy hasn't seen that when he was in his prime. He always fought cautious against them. If i am remembering correctly, Eric Harding gave peak Roy lots of problems because Roy was in fear of being countered.

Besides, Dawson beating Jones is not as funny as Roy beating Lennox Lewis or any of the Klitschko's. (which was said in this forum) Joe Louis beating Foreman was also pretty funny.

You should say ''nighty night'' to your points when all of them are gone from you making such a foolish bet. The light heavyweight division will be exposed on Saturday for being the weakest division in recent history and look for Chad Dawson to clean it up.

Also did you actually have to go and bring this thread back just to say that? :nonono:

Then, how can it be impressive if your boy cleans up a weak divison?

Don't count Glen Johnson out, he's a tough dude who will put pressure on Dawson.

This is Dawsons first real test.. And he could lose it.

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I made this thread about a year ago but anyway, Dawson beating Roy is actually a possibility. Tell me what elite southpaw that Roy looked good against and maybe I'll believe one of you huggers. He didn't look good against Dell Valle, Harding or Tarver. Montell Griffin was an average southpaw and he actually gave Jones fits in their first fight. Dawson is a 6'3 pure boxer puncher with great hand speed and classic text book boxing ability, Roy hasn't seen that when he was in his prime. He always fought cautious against them. If i am remembering correctly, Eric Harding gave peak Roy lots of problems because Roy was in fear of being countered.

Griffin wasn't a southpaw and Jones answered all questions about the first fight in the second fight.

Apart from the round where he was knocked down, Jones won almost every round in the Del Valle fight. He was ahead comfortably against Harding, I do agree that Harding gave him a little trouble but Jones was still ahead without question.

And come on, Dawson hasn't been in with anyone near the caliber of a prime Jones. And he got knocked down in the Adamek fight and looked a little hurt.

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I made this thread about a year ago but anyway, Dawson beating Roy is actually a possibility. Tell me what elite southpaw that Roy looked good against and maybe I'll believe one of you huggers.

Please, and I mean Please... explain to me in detail... WHO, and i mean WHO has Chad even fought? Let alone someone like a prime Roy?

Roy hasn't seen that when he was in his prime.

39 year old glen johnsson will be the toughest opponent chad has ever faced... lets realize that before we go bashing Roys opponents.

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I'm afraid he is.. I think this dude really is Chad Dawson.

Tell me what elite southpaw that Roy looked good against and maybe I'll believe one of you huggers.

And your talking about a good, not great, UNproven fighter.. who only has 25 fights.. with no one of mention, besides adamek (blah) and saying he would beat a prime roy jones jr... yet you have the Gull, The GULL I SAY! to call US... huggers!

hah!

Griffin wasn't a southpaw and Jones answered all questions about the first fight in the second fight.

Apart from the round where he was knocked down, Jones won almost every round in the Del Valle fight. He was ahead comfortably against Harding, I do agree that Harding gave him a little trouble but Jones was still ahead without question. And come on, Dawson hasn't been in with anyone near the caliber of a prime Jones. And he got knocked down in the Adamek fight and looked a little hurt.


Griffin wasn't a southpaw and i was mistaking him for another fighter. After the Dell Valle fight, Roy stated that he didn't like fighting southpaws. After De Valle put up a good fight against Jones, i thought that he was going to be the next best thing as well. He was nothing before or after that fight. It wasn't even a flash knock down, Jones was stunned. De Valle was the only man to catch Jones on the chin when he was in his prime and you seen what happened.

Yeah Harding was putting up a good fight against Roy and Roy was comfortably ahead because he was champion and all of the close rounds went to him. It seemed like an even fight to me. Harding was also never champion and was a class below Jones, Tarver, Johnson ect. I remember Jones fighting very tentative so he wouldn't be countered. This is Roy at light heavyweight as well. Peak Jones was at super middleweight.

Adamek knocked him down and thats something to be ashamed about? The man was the 31-0 WBC light heavyweight champion and a big hitter. Dawson did not buckle or have wobbly legs. He got up and actually fought back and staggered Adamek in the very next round.

Please, and I mean Please... explain to me in detail... WHO, and i mean WHO has Chad even fought? Let alone someone like a prime Roy?



39 year old glen johnsson will be the toughest opponent chad has ever faced... lets realize that before we go bashing Roys opponents.

Dawson is only 25-0 and is already calling out any big name and thats impressive? Glen Johnson was not a mandatory, Dawson called him up and asked him if he wanted to challenge for his belt. Dawson is the only champion that gave Johnson a shot because he looking to prove himself against the best opposition. When he fought Jesus Ruiz, he was trying to get Paul Briggs in to challenge for the title and Briggs didn't want the shot. Briggs is a top 10 light heavyweight and was champion last year.

In Dawson's last fight against Mendoza, Adrian Diaconu pulled out because of injury to his hand. Its not like Dawson is fighting these low caliber opponents because he wants to. He wants the big names and all of them are falling through. Tarver pulled out when they almost reached an agreement ect. You have to give a man credit when he is one, fighting all of his mandatories, two, fighting anyone and not scared of getting a loss on his record and three, giving tough old veteran's shots at titles when he didn't even have to take the fight.

Dawson saying that he wants to fight the best.

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Griffin wasn't a southpaw and i was mistaking him for another fighter. After the Dell Valle fight, Roy stated that he didn't like fighting southpaws. After De Valle put up a good fight against Jones, i thought that he was going to be the next best thing as well. He was nothing before or after that fight. It wasn't even a flash knock down, Jones was stunned. De Valle was the only man to catch Jones on the chin when he was in his prime and you seen what happened.

Yeah Harding was putting up a good fight against Roy and Roy was comfortably ahead because he was champion and all of the close rounds went to him. It seemed like an even fight to me. Harding was also never champion and was a class below Jones, Tarver, Johnson ect. I remember Jones fighting very tentative so he wouldn't be countered. This is Roy at light heavyweight as well. Peak Jones was at super middleweight.

Adamek knocked him down and thats something to be ashamed about? The man was the 31-0 WBC light heavyweight champion and a big hitter. Dawson did not buckle or have wobbly legs. He got up and actually fought back and staggered Adamek in the very next round.



Dawson is only 25-0 and is already calling out any big name and thats impressive? Glen Johnson was not a mandatory, Dawson called him up and asked him if he wanted to challenge for his belt. Dawson is the only champion that gave Johnson a shot because he looking to prove himself against the best opposition. When he fought Jesus Ruiz, he was trying to get Paul Briggs in to challenge for the title and Briggs didn't want the shot. Briggs is a top 10 light heavyweight and was champion last year.

In Dawson's last fight against Mendoza, Adrian Diaconu pulled out because of injury to his hand. Its not like Dawson is fighting these low caliber opponents because he wants to. He wants the big names and all of them are falling through. Tarver pulled out when they almost reached an agreement ect. You have to give a man credit when he is one, fighting all of his mandatories, two, fighting anyone and not scared of getting a loss on his record and three, giving tough old veteran's shots at titles when he didn't even have to take the fight.

Dawson saying that he wants to fight the best.

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yeah, i mean, thats great and all.. i respect that guy for willing to face everyone... but.. at the end of the day.. WHO has he faced, to even be compared to roy jones jr? and his glen johnson win this weekend surely wont help that...

yeah, i mean, thats great and all.. i respect that guy for willing to face everyone... but.. at the end of the day.. WHO has he faced, to even be compared to roy jones jr? and his glen johnson win this weekend surely wont help that...

I admit that i was a little carried away and like i said, this thread was made a year ago. Dawson has fought better fighters than Jones did when Roy had only 25 fights. He is taking a big risk and is being matched hard. Many fighters today and from the past build their record on lesser opposition.

TO this point... the Bernard Hopkins that fought roy whood slap Diaconu silly...

Chad has done nothing to this point to even satisfy an argument of fighting, let alone beating, a prime roy jones jr...

And the Glen Johnson fight will not help, hes 40 years old.

We can discuss it in 3 years.

TO this point... the Bernard Hopkins that fought roy whood slap Diaconu silly...

Chad has done nothing to this point to even satisfy an argument of fighting, let alone beating, a prime roy jones jr...

And the Glen Johnson fight will not help, hes 40 years old.

We can discuss it in 3 years.

Adamek was the 31-0 WBC light heavyweight champion and Dawson had only 23 fights at that time. Hopkins at that point was a green contender who hadn't beat any name by that point. Huge difference. Dawson beat Eric Harding when Harding was ranked #10 at light heavy as well. Jones was matched carefully early in his career.

Im still missing the point where, chad deserves the argument to even be considered beating a prime roy jones jr.

Diaconu and Eric Harding are hardly evidence.

If this was a court hearing, Case Dismissed.

Im still missing the point where, chad deserves the argument to even be considered beating a prime roy jones jr.

Diaconu and Eric Harding are hardly evidence.

If this was a court hearing, Case Dismissed.

The fact that Jones prime was at super middleweight and he would be giving up 5 inches in height to a guy that knows how to box and fight tall, outside of him being a southpaw.

Also, Jones struggling with lesser southpaws like Dell Valle, Tarver and Harding is interesting as well. When Dawson is better than them in every category possible.

The fact that Jones prime was at super middleweight and he would be giving up 5 inches in height to a guy that knows how to box and fight tall, outside of him being a southpaw.

Also, Jones struggling with lesser southpaws like Dell Valle, Tarver and Harding is interesting as well. When Dawson is better than them in every category possible.

Well, Tarver is another story, and you dont wanna hear it as much as i dont wanna hear about toneys weight drain problems either...

del valle and harding... i didnt see any problems there.. he beat them... quite easily as far as im concerned... seems like an opinion based theory on those two fights...

Roy fought Mike Mccalum at LHW in 1996....

Roy was born in 1969...

do the math... HARDLY out of prime.

Well, Tarver is another story, and you dont wanna hear it as much as i dont wanna hear about toneys weight drain problems either...

del valle and harding... i didnt see any problems there.. he beat them... quite easily as far as im concerned... seems like an opinion based theory on those two fights...

Roy fought Mike Mccalum at LHW in 1996....

Roy was born in 1969...

do the math... HARDLY out of prime.

Mike Mccalum is one of those fighters that didn't get a shot at the big stage until he was old, similar to Archie Moore. Mccalum's prime was in the mid 80's and he was avoided by all of the big names. Jones beat him when he was FAR past his best. Mike's best was at junior middleweight and Roy beat him decades later when he is not only past his best weight but past his prime as well.


Also, Harding gave Jones problems and the it was actually one of Roy's toughest title defenses. Dawson is a better boxer than Harding, quicker, more powerful, accurate, busier ect. Interesting.

Im not sure why your talking about mike mccalum...

The only reason I brought him up is to show you that Roy fought at LHW at 28 - 29 years old.... HARDLY past his prime

You say harding gave jones problems....

I laugh, and say Roy gave harding problems...

Im not sure why your talking about mike mccalum...

The only reason I brought him up is to show you that Roy fought at LHW at 28 - 29 years old.... HARDLY past his prime

My point was that Jones didn't fight an elite fighter at light heavyweight while look good doing it. Mccalum is was not an elite light heavyweight or in his peak so i can't see that as being evidence of anything.

You say harding gave jones problems....

I laugh, and say Roy gave harding problems...

I laugh and say that Harding was never champion and not on the level of those elite fighters at the time, yet he is a southpaw pure boxer that managed to give Jones lots of problems. Roy didn't stop him either or beat him up, Harding suffered an injury and Roy received the TKO win. :kiss:

Roy Jones CRUSHES Chad Dawson.... care to make a poll?!


And if you were forced to put your life savings on a bet on that fight... you know damn well youd put your money on roy

And you said Roys prime was a SMW... and not LHW... and thats not accurate..

Roy Jones CRUSHES Chad Dawson.... care to make a poll?!

If you are still on boxing scene in about 3 years, then I'll be glad to in the future but now, everyone will choose Jones of course. There would be no significance as of this moment.

If you are still on boxing scene in about 3 years, then I'll be glad to in the future but now, everyone will choose Jones of course. There would be no significance as of this moment.

But do you understand WHY they would choose jones?

But do you understand WHY they would choose jones?

Of course and already said that i made this thread last year. Dawson is unproven. :)

then again... look at our avatars.... this convo will never get anywhere LOL :kiss:

then again... look at our avatars.... this convo will never get anywhere LOL :kiss:

Exactly :) If we are going at it like this now, imagine what will happen if/when Dawson reached the level of Jones in the future. It will be boxing scene's greatest debate trilogy.

well hes gata ways to go before he does that...

check mah sig...

mustve forgot ;)

well hes gata ways to go before he does that...

check mah sig...

mustve forgot ;)

Give him 3 years :

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ur saying hes gonna match roys accomplishments within 3 years?

ur saying hes gonna match roys accomplishments within 3 years?

The kid is on a rapid rise and he is already calling out Calzaghe, Jones and Tarver. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he did it. Don't know about the accomplishments, but i definitely think he will beat better fighters than Jones did.:kiss:

I just dont think theres good enough competition out there...

calzaghe is 36 and looking at retirement

glen and tarver are both knocking on 40

jermain and pavlik would have to move up in weight a considerable amount

and i dont think dawson is even THINKING of cruiserweight or heavyweight

I just dont think theres good enough competition out there...

calzaghe is 36 and looking at retirement

glen and tarver are both knocking on 40

jermain and pavlik would have to move up in weight a considerable amount

and i dont think dawson is even THINKING of cruiserweight or heavyweight

Calzaghe just came off of a win over Kessler so he is still a pound for pound quality fighter. Dawson also said that he is willing to move down to 168 and Taylor is about to move up there as well. It will only be a matter of time until Pavlik moves to 168 as well because i can't see him making that weight class for long.

Dawson's job and what he is looking to do is to clean up the division and fight the big names of his era. Jones history is mainly based on getting titles in many divisions and not fighting the threats. By no means am i downing Jones because im not, he was a great fighter and probably the best to watch fight. But he could have stepped up the competition and fought Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Joe Calzaghe, Hopkins rematch, Toney rematch and unbeaten mandatories that were in their prime. Dawson is trying to accomplish that now.

Griffin wasn't a southpaw and i was mistaking him for another fighter. After the Dell Valle fight, Roy stated that he didn't like fighting southpaws. After De Valle put up a good fight against Jones, i thought that he was going to be the next best thing as well. He was nothing before or after that fight. It wasn't even a flash knock down, Jones was stunned. De Valle was the only man to catch Jones on the chin when he was in his prime and you seen what happened.

Yeah Harding was putting up a good fight against Roy and Roy was comfortably ahead because he was champion and all of the close rounds went to him. It seemed like an even fight to me. Harding was also never champion and was a class below Jones, Tarver, Johnson ect. I remember Jones fighting very tentative so he wouldn't be countered. This is Roy at light heavyweight as well. Peak Jones was at super middleweight.

Adamek knocked him down and thats something to be ashamed about? The man was the 31-0 WBC light heavyweight champion and a big hitter. Dawson did not buckle or have wobbly legs. He got up and actually fought back and staggered Adamek in the very next round.

Getting knocked down by Adamek is not something to be ashamed about but if he got knocked down by Adamek, what would Jones do to him? Granted, Jones didn't like fighting southpaws, but I haven't seen anything from Dawson that would lead me to believe that he'd beat a prime Jones.

Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank I agree with, but I would say fighting roy would help there careers more than it would roys career

Joe Calzaghe, I read a 4 page interview with him back in the 90s and said he didnt wanna fight roy.. talking about how his confidence level is just unbelievable, and he probably unbeatable...

Hopkins rematch you can blame bernard as much roy for that

Toney rematch, I just didnt see a reason for one... the thing about toney is.. hes NEVER in shape... so, whats the point...

Getting knocked down by Adamek is not something to be ashamed about but if he got knocked down by Adamek, what would Jones do to him? Granted, Jones didn't like fighting southpaws, but I haven't seen anything from Dawson that would lead me to believe that he'd beat a prime Jones.

No offense but what kind of logic is that? Adamek caught him when he dropped his hands. Dawson completely dominated him when he stuck to his game and he actually fought better after the knock down.

According to your logic, i can say that if Dell Valle knocked Jones down, then what would Dawson do to him?

No offense but what kind of logic is that? Adamek caught him when he dropped his hands. Dawson completely dominated him when he stuck to his game and he actually fought better after the knock down.

According to your logic, i can say that if Dell Valle knocked Jones down, then what would Dawson do to him?

LOL i was waitin for that one haha

75 posts to go!

No offense but what kind of logic is that? Adamek caught him when he dropped his hands. Dawson completely dominated him when he stuck to his game and he actually fought better after the knock down.

According to your logic, i can say that if Dell Valle knocked Jones down, then what would Dawson do to him?

Yeah, that was a bad post. Typed it out in a hurry.

Either way, I don't see anything that makes me think that Dawson can beat a prime Jones. I could change my mind in a few years.

THen again... Theres not to many fighters in the history that could beat a prime SMW roy

Yeah, that was a bad post. Typed it out in a hurry.

Either way, I don't see anything that makes me think that Dawson can beat a prime Jones. I could change my mind in a few years.

Thats reasonable :)

Roy's chin was always weak. he just hid it well when he was in his prime with all of his athletic ability. Dawson is equally athletic and a better pure boxer. DAWSON BY TKO IN ROUND 9

Is this a joke? im hoping your not this retarded.

Is this a joke? im hoping your not this retarded.

Read the entire thread. Its all been resolved and here you come stirring up something else. :wank:

Is this a joke? im hoping your not this retarded.

Hes retarded cause he said his opinion?

let me explain this,roy has trouble with southpaws,de valle was a south paw and was the first to knock roy down,tarver well you know...................
but roy was extraodinary

let me explain this,roy has trouble with southpaws,de valle was a south paw and was the first to knock roy down,tarver well you know...................
but roy was extraodinary

its almost like you meant to say more... but you forgot

Prime Jones would clown Dawson.

let yer boi dawson prove a bit more before u start talkin all crazy... musta forgot indeed..

Jones UD, 118-110.

Jones UD, 118-110.

we even got ricky with us Rob! :banana: :banana: :banana:

I think Saturday told us a lot about Dawson. Roy Jones KO 7, lol.

Dawson is good, but prime Roy beats him on speed, Power, defense and boxing skills.

A prime Roy could rip apart any Light Heavy of the past 10 years and the best name you could come up with is Dawson?